35 Replies to “Suzuki Foundation Praises Bush Administration Leadership On C02”

  3. CTV, Tim Ball, Amen.
    Tim has been studying the Earth’s climate most of his life. The Hudson Bay Company’s climate data goes back a long, long time. He discovered years ago that the Earth’s climate has always been changing. Cycles.
    And then along came the “experts”.
    Gore, Suzuki and Strong.
    A politician. A fruit fly. An unelected UN nut case .
    ‘fearmonger, fearmonger — the sky is falling — repent, repent — send money.

  4. That damn Bush is responsible for this cold snap? Hitler would be proud.(oh….that’s sarc for the letards here…heh)

  5. So- you sign up to Kyoto and your emissions go through the roof (i.e. europe)
    You don’t sign up and actually reduce emissions.
    What we need is more countries throwing Kyoto and Bali out the window if we want to have any chance of living past 2010 (you know, with eminent death from crazed penguins).
    Is anyone really surprised that an accord produced out of haze of pot smoke really didn’t accomplish its goals while those damn capitalists in their drive for efficiency did?
    Bad, Bad Americans – how dare you!!
    But, wait for it, somehow this reduction in emissions was measured wrong or doesn’t count. There’s always some AGW backer to come along and spin it (really, we should hook these guys up to dynamos or something).

  6. The US numbers are going to keep going down because they are going to continue to enhance the use of ethanol and biofuels.
    The other thing is that the next generation of coal power plants are starting to come online (as the old one’s near the end of their lifespan). These plants are extremely efficient at burning coal compared to the old plants and I do believe that 2 coal gas plants are up and running now in the US (these things actually do not produce – directly – CO2 – they produce CO and H2 as by-products – and as we know H2 is very important).
    I actually think that guys like Bush (and Harper) talk a good game on climate change but I think they are actually using this as an excuse to drive energy efficiency and self sufficiency which is good for US industry and US security – very clever.

  7. I forgot to add that I would be interesting to see Euro numbers and China/India numbers on this stuff in order to compare.

  8. Question for john cross~ what were the CO2 emmissions doing during the clinton years- you know, the guy who actually sat on Kyoto along with 100% of the Democrats (before blaming Bush for not ratifying it)?

  9. just watched the ctv news this am. there was a climatic guy saying that by 2030 we will be about 1 degree cooler and that will have an effect on food production and fuel consumption both for heat and transportation. he says the cooling trend has been noted for the past 15 to 20 years. noted by environment canada and other such bodies.

  10. But, wait for it, somehow this reduction in emissions was measured wrong or doesn’t count.
    The leftard MSM will give it the same treatment they give the Bush economy ( which has performed better than the Clinton economy) and the improved situation in Iraq. If they don’t report it, it didn’t happen.

  11. For real insight, you have to go to the CBC:
    “Colder air this year is expected to drive down temperatures.”
    I’m going to make my own prediction:
    “After the cold winter, warmer air will drive up temperatures and by July we will be experiencing summer-like conditions”.

  13. “Question for john cross~ what were the CO2 emmissions doing during the clinton years- you know, the guy who actually sat on Kyoto along with 100% of the Democrats (before blaming Bush for not ratifying it)?”
    That’s a myth perpetuated by the media. It was Clinton/Gore who failed to ratify Kyoto after the Senate voted unanimously to reject the treaty.

  16. Ya gotta love Tim Balls comments on Environment Canada’s long range forecast. quote” They cant even predict accuratly 10 days into the future” end quote
    Why does this not make more sense to everyone? How often is the short range weather forcast accurate? 50 year forecast on global climate warming? ya! I’ll live in a hut and buy carbon credits because of that.

  17. If Global warming is really happening why is it the windshield washer fluid is an ice cube in my truck ?

  18. Let’s see . .
    Southern hemisphere has been cooling for about 20+ years. Check
    Antarctic ice sheets gaining mass and just set a record for size/coverage. Check
    AGW theory predictions for what parts of the atmosphere will warm the most is the opposite of what the data says is happening. Check
    IPCC, against all common sense only considers AGW inputs, dismisses solar and land use changes as being legitimate forcings. Check
    Global warming fear mongering proves to be the most successful fund raising scheme ever concocted by the Environmental Industry, better than the Club of Rome, better than the Population Bomb, better than Nuclear Winter. Check.
    The fear mongering campaign results in $billions of scientific research dollars being diverted into what was a backwater Department in most universities from other legitimate science endevors. Check
    Well it makes sense to me.
    watch out for the pieces of falling sky.

  19. Kate, I notice that the article carries today’s date. How do you pick up on stuff like this in the most obscure rags while it’s still “fresh”?

  20. if you are one of the lucky few who paid hard earned money to hear Al Gore speak on global warming then, don’t you just feel screwed? maybe some KY should have been used. losers!

  21. “Kate, I notice that the article carries today’s date. How do you pick up on stuff like this in the most obscure rags while it’s still “fresh”?”
    Zog December 1, 2007 12:57 PM
    See johnlee at November 29, 2007 2:48 PM

  25. Terry Gain: “The leftard MSM will give it the same treatment they give the Bush economy ( which has performed better than the Clinton economy) and the improved situation in Iraq.”
    Er, the economy performed better? By what standard? Bush has run huge deficits in his budgets, trade balance, and current account. The Fed stopped publishing M3 stats so that most people are unaware of how much money is being created out of thin air. In 1999, the euro was about 80 cents; now it’s close to $1.50. We all know what’s happened with the Canadian dollar. The CPI stats are so bogus – they don’t include food or energy costs, which you might note have risen by more than a little bit – which means GDP gains are over-stated.
    I am still glad that Bush beat Gore and Kerry, but I’m a true conservative, and his economic performance has been terrible. Some economists suggest that median family income in America has actually dropped during the Bush years. So to say his performance was better than Clinton’s is to deny all economic reality.

  26. I want my global warming now!!!
    As I look out the window at a snowy Vancouver…boy…that Bush truly is evil.

  27. Kevin,
    If you knew what the American economy was like after 9/11, you would be giving a little more credit to Bush. He pushed Congress to pass tax cuts which gave the economy a boost just when it needed it.

  28. Mark,
    Sorry, the US economy might have needed a boost for a year, but five more years at over $800 billion a year? The Bush years have seen more added on to the US national debt than the first 224 years of the US republic. Meanwhile, Americans are finding they can’t afford to travel out of their country, foreign “Sovereign Wealth Funds” are buying relatively cheap US assets, causing Americans to lose control of their own economy, and places like China are making noise about not buying any more US debt, which means America will either have to raise interest rates (and worsen the whole sub-prime mess) or face the removal of $500 billion in GDP, which would assuredly send the US into recession. There’s just no easy way out of the hole Bush has put America in.
    Living on borrowed money to fund current consumption (as opposed to investment) is like going on a bender; it feels good when you’re doing it, but it’s hell on you when it stops.

  29. This decrease shows that oil depletion, not Kyoto or Gore, will lower emissions.
    Now, why are we relieved by this news? After all, 99.9% of our daily comfort runs on oil and we are running out of it. THE US CO2 EMISSION IS DECREASING: I AM FREAKING OUT! This is the real emergency.

  30. Then Al Gore’s Nobel peace prize should be given to George Bush.
    I’m serious.
    One guy talks about co2 reduction in a slide show,
    the other reduce them in the nation that is the biggest contributor of co2.
    Still not convinced?
    Ok let me try this,
    a man makes a slide show about saving people from a burning building and another saves a dozen people from a building by carrying them on his back.
    Now who would you give an award to?
    Al Gore’s Nobel peace prize should be given to who it belongs; George Bush.
    I’m serious.
    dead serious.

  31. “The Bush years have seen more added on to the US national debt than the first 224 years of the US republic.”
    This is a meaningless statement when you consider the US Economy is now the largest it has ever been. Compare US Debt to GDP (as of Feb 2006) to other countries you get this:
    USA 65.4%
    Canada 68.2%
    Euro Area 79.7%
    Italy 107%
    Japan 170%
    Australia 16%
    Historically the largest ever US Debt / GDP ratio was 121% in 1945. (I had previously posted responding to a 11-26-2007 SDA EU post)
    Again, this is not the end of the world for the US Economy.

  32. Dave,
    Where do you get your figures? Here are two links:
    http://www.budget.gc.ca/2007/bp/bpa2e.html
    http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm
    that show Canada has the lowest debt to GDP ratio in the G7, and that Canada is the only member of the G7 to post government surpluses for 2006-2008, and thus, our numbers are improving while those of other countries are getting worse. I don’t disagree that Japan has worse numbers than the US; they are living the aftermath of their stock/housing bubble, and some 15 years after their economy peaked (and years of near-zero real interest rates), they’re still not out of the hole. That’s the problem the US is going to find itself in.
    In addition, the US counts its fictitious “Social Security Surplus” against its debt, making its numbers look much better than they are in reality.
    From this link:
    http://debtism.com/social-security/social-security-surplus-myth-art14.htm
    “Every dollar of the $1.86 trillion (2005) in proclaimed Social Security accumulated OASDI surpluses generated by the 1983 tax increases has been looted and spent for other purposes, and the looting continues on a daily basis. The government has reportedly replaced the real money it took from the Social Security Trust Fund with non-marketable “special-issue” government securities that are essentially worthless.”
    Canada does not count CPP surpluses against our debt, which make our figures much more realistic.
    But hey, buddy, invest where you see fit. We’ll talk in ten years, ‘kay?

  33. And ookie pukie SUZUKI just boosted the CO2 just by keeping his fat piehole flapping he added more HOT AIR

  34. “Where do you get your figures?”
    A look at Canada’s Debt to GDP
    http://www.optimist123.com/optimist/2006/03/canadas_debt_ne.html
    Comparison of US Debt/GDP to other countries
    http://www.optimist123.com/optimist/2006/02/feb_2006_gdp_an.html
    Total Canadian Debt $2.7 Trillion (including unfunded liabilities of Medicare, OAS and CPP, all levels of government)
    http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/November2006/14/c2965.html
    Now this comparison used Gross GDP. But let’s say, I’ll concede your point that we should look at Net Debt not Gross Debt. So how does the the US compare to other countries and is that debt significantly higher than historical levels.
    Data is here – http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/5/51/2483816.xls Using 2006 figures
    USA 43.4% (This is not a record level, between 1989 and 2006 this ranged between 54.9 and 36.3% of GDP – Median is around 45%)
    Canada 26.6% (This is a record low, but in the same time period it ranged between 70.7% and 26.6% of GDP – Median is around 48%)
    Euro Area 48.5% (Ranged between 53.7% and 35.1%)
    Italy 94.6%
    Japan 85.4%
    Australia -4.7% (a surplus)
    So is Canada looking good, yes. But not as good as Australia.
    But are the US debt levels looking “end of the world”. Again, nope.
    The gist of the sites you quote (esp. Debtism) is that all debt is very very bad. My point is that US Debt has been much higher
    Anyone pushing the line that the US Economy is about to collapse is likely trying to sell you something. Most likely Gold.
    Now this being economics (where is that one handed economist when you need him), you can challenge the above. The neat thing about the investment marketplace is to do the analysis and put your money on the table. Have fun!

  35. Hi Dave,
    Thanks for your thoughtful response. I think we’re both caught in the “lies, damn lies, and statistics” quandary – we’re both really dependent on 3rd parties where we don’t have truly accurate descriptions of their measurements or methodologies.
    I would say I think the importance of how the US gov’t records its so-called SS “trust fund” is misunderstood by many. The gov’t collects these funds to fund SS liabilities, just as Canadian governments collect “gas” taxes to fund road improvements. In both cases, the gov’ts divert these “marked” taxes into general revenues. In the US SS case, they create mystical SS revenue bonds that don’t trade, have no price, etc.; in other words, they just create IOU’s with no value.
    Now, let me try to translate this from macro-economic terms (which virtually no one understands), to micro-economic terms. Let’s say you lived in an apartment with 1,000 units. You ask each family who makes (earned, interest, whatever) more than $10,000/yr to give you $10/month. In return, you promise til death to provide all the apartment services (garbage, heat, water, etc.). Let’s further assume that at this time, 90% of the families are over the $10k limit. You get a total of 900*10*12 = $108,000/yr. Let’s say it costs you half that to provide the actual services (in the macro case, read “actual SS/CPP payouts”). So, in theory, you can bank $54k/yr to cover off future obligations. But you need to finance your current lifestyle of renting your apartment, leasing your car, food, gas, cable, etc. Doesn’t leave much of that $54k left, does it? So what the US gov’t, after appropriating these surpluses, does is issue “special gov’t obligations” which don’t trade in any market, or can be marked to any value. In the micro case, this would allow me to issue “Bank of KevinB” (no comments on the hilarity of this, OK?) bonds, which would have no backing on anything but my “full faith and credit”. Any takers? Please contact me!!
    Dave, I’m not trying vilify you or make you look silly, but I am going to look at your penultimate paragraph:
    “Anyone pushing the line that the US Economy is about to collapse is likely trying to sell you something. Most likely Gold.”
    I bought gold at $250/oz in 2000 (when Garth Turner was telling me to buy Nortel – that’s not at all a comment on you, Dave, just a benchmark for that particular blowhard), and I bought oil, which was less than $20/bbl at the same time. And I put significant percentages of our 7-figure portolios in these areas. This has enabled my family to enjoy expanded incomes during the last 7 years while our friends have fretted about being able to provide for their childrens’ education. My two girls, 11 and 13, already have over $250k in their education funds, because of those decisions. And I expect that these funds will total over $500 k by the time they actually expect to go to school.
    I just wanted to let you know: I put my money where my mouth is, and so far, everyone in my extended family has been richly rewarded. I’ve been a student of macroeconomics since I’ve been 10; I’ve known since then that the answers to macro questions are the answers that might solve some of the world’s conflicts.
    At any rate, you seem a decent guy; Kate asks us to take extended conversations to private email. I’m sure she can provide you with my address; if you are at all interested, please let her know.
    Regards,
    KevinB

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