Adding fuel to the firestorm set off by Lance, I give you this delicious vid. It’s long, so settle in or view it when you have time … but I guarantee it’ll be worth it:
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I didn’t watch the vid ’cause I’m working this Sunday, “day of rest”. I am God-less, I guess from reading the posts so far. I live by the “Golden Rule” – do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Keeps my fences up and my neighbors happy. It works for me. When I’m pushing up daisies, an event that some God-fearers are afraid of happening to them, I won’t worry, ’cause I’m dead. Hope you like the daisies.
Very interesting and enjoyable speech. The world is somewhat more complicated then he holds, but not much more. I especially appreciate his reference to Allan Bloom.
One thing, though, can anyone tell me who this man is? I don’t see his name anywhere, as if he were a famous person.
Thanks, Paul2, you’re right. I wasn’t expecting the link to be 46 minutes long when I began listening to it after posting my OT. (And thus not commenting On Topic right away as I thought that I would have been able to.)
Now, On Topic, that was a great critique of the modern Liberal outlook coming from a 9/11 conservative convert with praise for Allan Bloom thrown in. An intelligent analysis of “indiscriminate thought”.
Everyone reading this Sunday afternoon (and on Monday and later, too, I hope), it is very well worth the time spent listening to it. Now to see about downloading it to keep for a long, long time.
David:
http://www.evansayet.com/bio.htm
He makes a lot of excellent points, the only thing I’d disagree with him on is when he starts talking about “the elite” trying to bring about this goal of always beeing wrong. That kind of talk reeks too much like a conspiracy theory, and there’s certainly no solid data to support such a conclusion. It’s much more likely that the entire process is a simple feedback loop.
We know that the KGB funded “anti-war” groups during the Vietnam era in order to eat away support for the US from within. These groups, once they got started, continued to grow under their own momentum. Their philosophy spread because it appealed to the young and the idealistic. And once it became entrenched within the educational institutions and the entertainment industry, their philosophy had unlimited access to the younger generations at a time in their lives when they are most vulnerable to idealistic propaganda. None of this requires a guiding hand from some all-powerful “elite” group, it just requires that those of us who know better do nothing to oppose it.
“BC is the land of the Froots and Nuts and the people that live there often reflect that.”
Hey, easy, easy. Wide brush, lol
Pauls: I posted above, that “… I was working, this Sunday, day of rest.” I don’t have 45 minutes to watch the vid. Andrew seems to have a lot of time on his hands to post as much on this thread and I think he has some “issues” that may lead him to temptation, like playing God himself.
That was a brilliant video and, indeed, worth the time invested watching it. Understanding liberals has always been challenging because I’ve often found an ill-defined disconnect between who many of them are as people and the policies they advocate — just too many groaning internal contradictions. The speaker seems to have distilled modern liberalism down to its essentials, reiterating by the way, many points made by a former BBC producer and recovered liberal who’s name escapes me at the moment.
And by the way, who is the speaker?
*sigh*
What the hell is up with the militant bible thumpers recently? Does religious beliefs have to be part of EVERY conversation? I thought only the allahu-ackarians were nutty enough to be that focused on religion. Seems like you guys can’t even say “good morning” without making a crack at atheists, or trying to convert someone.
I enjoyed every minute of the speech. He is right on and I don’t think I have ever heard anyone express it so well in such a short time.
I was trying to figure out who he was and thought at first it was Robin Williams. Thanks to Paul2 I went to Evan’s website and now I know. I’ll have to get Bloom’s book next. I particularly liked his characterization of the Global Warming hysteria. Again, right on!
“Atheism is a death cult”?
Somehow I don’t see atheists parading around with a dead man on a cross. They tend more to the celebration of life.
So…is anyone going to comment about the video? Because that was frickin’ BRILLIANT. Rational thought = discrimination? That’s got some serious predictive power to it.
Stop feeding the TROLLS, you guys. Like, really. Stop.
So liberalism is basically a refusal to discriminate, a refusal to judge…yet liberals always seem to be the first to point fingers and accuse those with whom they disagree of all manner of things.
As an example, they preach “tolerance” and yet won’t tolerate any other viewpoint. Of course, their definition of “tolerance” is actually more akin to “celebration”…according to them, we all must “tolerate” homosexuality by affording them exactly the same rights and priviledges of heterosexuals AND we must throw them parades AND we have to be happy about doing so.
The liberal philosophy seems to include support for abortion (which is ending the life of an unborn human child) yet they are anti-death penalty because they believe killing, even justified killing, is wrong.
They are opposed to racism and sexism and prejudism and they will scream that anyone who dares question them are mouth-breathing, knuckle-walking redneck pigs.
As I see it, liberals are the embodiment of pure hypocrisy.
“He makes a lot of excellent points, the only thing I’d disagree with him on is when he starts talking about “the elite” trying to bring about this goal of always being wrong. That kind of talk reeks too much like a conspiracy theory, and there’s certainly no solid data to support such a conclusion. It’s much more likely that the entire process is a simple feedback loop.”
Alex how do account for George Soros billionaire elitist funding the horrid democrats and the MoveOn.org bunch along with Air America radio all spewers of bile?
How do you account for Maurice Strong elitist multimillionaire currently hiding out in China. He was very influential for many years in UN and their ‘one world’ goal. He was a product of the Demarais family and Power Corp who is also behind the Bob Rae bit for Leader of the Libs after Dion is flushed. They also put Trudeau, Martin, and Chretien in power. They are also big players in the oil for food scam with Total Elf Fina,
AKA Total.corp. etc
What do you think elitist Al Gore is up to by trying to move wealth from the west to the third world by admonishing the west and giving China and India a free pass on the climate change bullshit?
There are many Elitist control freaks who want one world government in the socialist model with them at the top in the ruling elite. That will be the point at which life on earth will not longer be worth living. Anarchy will prevail and thats will be that.
I think this guy went wrong when he mistook what thew new truth movements are saying for “hating America”…the people in the new revolution aligned against neocon washington and Neo-Com washington are bipartisan…they don’t hate America…they hate what it’s become and the LOVE the republic…which is dissolving before their eyes with each unilateral executive breech of constitutional and congressional propriety. They are also at odds with the way the Dems have sold out to soviet styled martial repression of dissent and support info control from Washington
I’m far from any peacenick or lefty sympathizer…but I think a lot of the ideals the new truth movement is advocating are right in line with constitutional republicanism….like going to independent candidates to get free of the sleaze and control of party systems.
john west – a socialist ideology always has an elite, aka the Philosopher-Kings, who Know What Is Best for the unwashed peasantry. The general population is kept submissive within emotional propaganda; they are denied the use of reason. They are told not to evaluate, not to critique. If they do that – it’s ‘racism’.
Postmodern cultural relativism, as a political ideology, reduces a population to isolate ‘blocs’ or ‘subsets’ of people, each closed into a cultural set of beliefs and behaviour which are reduced by relativism to rational emptiness. That is, you cannot evaluate them.
The real problem is postmodern relativism, a utopian and nihilistic ideology that rejects the basic property of being human – that capacity to reason (and therefore, to be ‘right’ rather than ‘wrong’).
Why have so many people moved themselves into a mode of life that rejects reason? That’s the question – and if I can get the video to operate properly without long pauses – I’ll see whether he has an answer. Does he?
Just parsing some of the comments on this vid, reinforces what I said on another blog this morning: double standard, double cross, double dip, double dare ya is the motto for liberals. They have no policy, because their raison d’etre is POWER, using any method or group to propel themselves into power, over you. It’s rather disengenuous that “Power Corp” funds a lot of elitist thinking people in the liberal party, not to mention some of our red Tory bretheren, vendues.
Megan, How is it that being a warm loving Atheist is good and being a logical reasoned Atheist is bad?
I am unsure of what I have said on the last couple of strings that has you condemn me or the others on your list.
By the by, I am also somewhere between an Objectivist and a Libertarian. That hardly puts me in the camp of higher tax or any sort of control over you.
Megan’s another sock puppet, that much is obvious.
Now, to more relevant matters:
Alex how do account for George Soros billionaire elitist funding the horrid democrats and the MoveOn.org bunch along with Air America radio all spewers of bile?
The same way I account for the support that Pat Roberts receives from rich far-right lunatics?
Some rich moonbat funding a movement isn’t evidence of an “elite” in that movement. It’s just human nature to fund and ally yourself with causes which appeal to you.
How do you account for Maurice Strong elitist multimillionaire currently hiding out in China. He was very influential for many years in UN and their ‘one world’ goal. He was a product of the Demarais family and Power Corp who is also behind the Bob Rae bit for Leader of the Libs after Dion is flushed. They also put Trudeau, Martin, and Chretien in power. They are also big players in the oil for food scam with Total Elf Fina,
AKA Total.corp. etc
I’ll be honest: I don’t understand your question. But you know what you remind me of? The left-wing whackjobs who insist that Prescot Bush had connections to the Nazis, and that this somehow proves the illuminati has taken over the whitehouse. Let’s not get sidetracked into conspiracy theories, please.
What do you think elitist Al Gore is up to by trying to move wealth from the west to the third world by admonishing the west and giving China and India a free pass on the climate change bullshit?
I think he’s trying to line his pocket and get some fame and prestige. What’s that got to do with anything? If Al Gore is “the elite”, he’s not doing a very good job of maintaining a low profile.
There are many Elitist control freaks who want one world government in the socialist model with them at the top in the ruling elite.
Ah, so that’s what you’re driving at. Sure, there’s “elitist control freaks” in every movement, but that doesn’t make them “the elite”, and it doesn’t mean that there’s any sort of organized conspiracy amongst “the elites” to try and control world events. It’s largely just individuals working toward accomplishing their own goals.
I’ll chime in as a conservative-leaning atheist. Being called a satan worshipper or pedophile because I am an atheist is bigoted, hateful and stupid. I’m not easily insulted, particularly by infantile jerks in blog comments, but I sure hope SDA doesn’t descend into the hateful morass that is typical of leftie sites.
Alex,
You cannot connect dots. The left is all working to achieve their own goals, but those goals all take us to the same place. A world dominated by Socialist elites. the foot soldiers are stupid Marxist-leaning, Che-loving useful idiots.
Are you part of that group? The Green people play a very useful role in this admonishment of freedom and capitalism as well. They mostly have no idea that they are working unison. Like you, they cannot connect the dots either. They think they are working toward Utopia.
And Pat Robertson is an idiot for sure, but I don’t see him as one who wants world domination. It is more likely that he wants to preserve his brand of Christianity in America. He not winning that one. He is getting wealthy though. I see his like simply in the religion industry and that is a profitable venture for sure.
My thought is that the modern leftist movement is a result of the convergence of the baby boom and technology.
Most children, generally in their teens, rebel against their parents and their parents values.
So prior to the baby boom, teenagers would rebel and reject, and as they aged and were integrated into society and became adults, they left thier teenage rejectionism behind. The larger society was able to absorb the smaller upcoming demographic
However, the baby boom resulted in great numbers of rebelious rejectionist youth at the same time, who were able to communicate to one another and be communicated to via mass media and modern technology.
They did not have to grow up. They had sufficient numbers when they became of voting age to sway elections.
So then it was just a matter of time until unscrupulous politicians realized that the ticket to power was buying into the message of conservative rejectionist campus radicalism and echoing it back to the boomer generation (Pierre Trudeau anyone?)
The 60’s genereation and their political movements(the seed and roots of todays “activism”) were never about things, they were simply against the values of their parents. Not simply veering off in a slightly different direction but 180 degrees polar opposite.
That might have been ok were it that conservatism was all or mostly wrong, but that is not and was not the case.
Ward,
Excellent observation. Perhaps that answers why the left has no policies, no vision and no ideas.
They are just a huge pack of spoiled brats who want to be kings of the castle and all others are dirty rascals.
The Children of the Boom. Children for life.
I watched it all and “Thank you” whoever you are. +++ You told the story +++ end of comment. I really wonder why others’ take as much time to do the same…
The Democrats in US are further right than the Conservatives in Canada. So how far left does that put our Liberals in Canadas…and God forbid the NDP are off the chart.
ON the same point as the video (i saw it months ago) is the observation of Dennis Prager:
Conservatives thinks Liberals are merely WRONG.
Liberals think Conservatives are EVIL.
THAT is the only value judgment (discrimination) liberals are willing to make.
I really enjoyed this speaker. Very down to earth and convincing.
To me, his biggest strength is the way in which he is able to explain his opinion to an average person like myself. Especially his use of examples from stories, TV ,movies and media headlines. His makes good use of repetition of his three main themes that describe the progressives promotion of evil over good, wrong over right, and the behaviors that leave to failure over ones that lead to success. It makes it easy to see that his opinions support my observations, my common sense and my life experience.
It would be nice to have speakers like this presented in high school to give a more balanced approach the public education system.
Actually, you’re right, we don’t. We already criminalize “hate speech”.
Besides which, the right to free speech isn’t the same thing as the right to act like an idiot in the comments section of a privately owned blog. If you think they’re the same thing, then you don’t really understand what the right to free speech actually means.
All the poo flinging aside , anyone catch the fact Mr Sayet worked for ( wrote ) for Bill Maher …… ya that Bill Maher .
I love it when life-long leftards have an awakening(Dennis Miller comes to mind), usually caused by severe trauma(911, victim of crime). They have all the inside information(Patrick Moore has some good stuff), and have the most credibility when it comes to exposing leftoid idiocy. It just makes the moonbats wobble when the converted ones campaign against them. With AGW being exposed for the fraud it is, expect this to happen frequently in the near future!
Took a while to find this , I did link it back in March , twice ( readers tips ) , emotional logic from the right , who knew ?
Bill D,
Yes I caught that, but Bill Maher used to be bit of a stand up comic. He is far from funny nowadays, however he is quite a joke.
We all do things we wish we hadn’t in life. I’d say this guy is more than making up for anything he’s sorry for.
John ,
When young adults , think The Daily Show and The Colbert Report are ” news ” , and they do , well Houston , we have a problem ….
Yes, watched it before — from D.Cat’s link last March. Very telling. Should supplant AIT.
I remember lots and lots of hollywood flicks back in 70s being anti-establishment. The hyppies called it anti-estab — actually they were just against other’s successes.
Fanatical hyppies were fanatically against everything. Why ? Because they were lazy —- wanted utopia handed to them. When it didn’t happen they protested and broke windows.
The Battle of Seattle was a recent example. Global Warming is the latest cause du jour.
Trolls and feeders; Time for the riot act Kate.
Beat them down with facts and reason ron , sometimes it works , other times not so much …… always a good time tho .
Great vid. Tnx.
The problem with the conspiracy theories such as one world government, bilderbergs etc. is that things always go wrong. Plans last as far as the first opportunity for murphy to interfere.
enough
“Atheism is a death cult”?
Atheism isn’t a death cult, in fact if you boil it down I’ve always figured a lot secular/atheist policies are based around the fear of death or life-altering consequences. If you have one life to live and nothing to follow it, facing consequences or responsibility is a drag.
“What’s scary, is that when utopia doesn’t happen, those promoting it always blame the opposition, and then things get ugly. Violence is usually a breath away”, Paul2
Exactly !! Middle aged hippies becoming fanatical when they realise they have been led down the garden path.
For the record , I’m somewhere right of Cartman regarding hippies .
“As I see it, liberals are the embodiment of pure hypocrisy.”
Not hypocrisy, projection. All you have to do is listen to what ‘L’iberals accuse their opponents of, you then can see what they are trying to get away with.
For most of my life I was very ‘L’iberal. I can look back and see how unreal my points of view were. Watching this presentation, he put a finger on some things that I could never quite vocalized.
I watched the whole show: great stuff! Was that Michael Medved? That’s just a guess on my part.
(Psst. . . being a discriminating person, I think it’s a good thing to know who the speaker is.)
Lookout: It was Evan Sayet.
enough – your ‘universal’ definition that ALL atheists have shallow empty lives is without evidence.
I’m an atheist; I don’t consider my accomplishments shallow (and it’s quite an arrogant assumption on your part to declare this), nor my life empty, and I certainly find life meaningful and endlessly fascinating. I don’t need to believe in god for any of those feelings.
Surely you wouldn’t define the accomplishments of the many atheists in our history, including Nobel Laureates in various disciplines, as ‘shallow’ and futile.
I don’t think your correlations are valid.
This is an excellent vid, great message. He admits to being a lefty and then having a moment of truth.
While the Kate’s away the mice do play. There is a very strange tone to the commments here tonight. Paul2 ,thanks for you explaination.As a Christian I am very irritated with Andrews rants. We are all agnostic at some point.Just like the lefty in the vid, some of us come to the moment of Truth.
Was elsewhere today , reading , wondering ,when one of the ‘mentators came up with the idea that all this bickering isn’t about right and left …..laughed myself silly . Seriously , I did ….
I just have to say Sayet said it.
Up until now, I could not understand how lefties could overlook reality staring right at them.
BRAVO. Excellent speech and post.
LOL!!! Nothing like religion to get everyone riled up.
Anyway, if anyone is still interested in the theme of the post that started this thread, take some time to listen to one of my heroes, Christopher Hitchens on a directly related topic, namely lefties who have seen the light when it comes to the terrorist and Islamist threat.
“Not hypocrisy, projection. All you have to do is listen to what ‘L’iberals accuse their opponents of, you then can see what they are trying to get away with.”
Bang on Eric P @ 9:52 Bang on.