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In cases like this it seems to me that our BS legal system has become more contract negoiation between lawyers. “As in” I will trade my X for your Y, we both get payed and move on.
I’ve mixed feelings about this. From what I’ve read, the boy’s parents were involved with the negotiations and are in favour of the deal to spare their son the horror of having to testify in court.
Personally. I would like the creep locked up for life. Failing that, I would settle for placing Whitmore in with the general prison population.
Hang em. With a dirty manure stained rope.
Funny how you don’t see Lefties raging on about this, only Conservative types. Kinda like the other thread about Muslim honor killings.
Some victims more equal than others, eh?
Completely eliminate the use of concurent sentences and all remaining parol time must be served before the start of the prison time for the second or subsequent sentence. That will keep the multiple and repeat offenders off the street.
there was no reason for the boys to testify other than defense lawyers are slime. the medical evidence would have been enough to convict.
another deal with the devil in trudopia where the perps have more rights than the victims.
Not just that, Ian!
Let them feed themselves. I refuse to feed the criminals in jail. They must work in order to eat and have heat and electricity. If they won’t work, they will starve themselves to death and nothing could be finer by me.
Why the hell do I have to work, knowing that the government will get 50%, of which lots is stolen, lots is wasted and the rest is used to feed the criminals?
Castration, Castration, Castration!!! I agree with Aaron, why do decent human beings have to feed, house, and clothe these pieces of trash. Death Penalty, Death Penalty, Death Penalty!!!
many prisons in Canada were selfsufficient, like Headingley , near Winterpeg.
until Trudopia took hold and they spend their time on the weights and barbells and not trades or farming.
Death penalty is irreversible. We can’t trust the government with life or death issues, as it can’t tell their ass from a finger. DNA and fingerprints were supposed to be 100% fool proof, but they aren’t. Ballistic testing goes down the same road. Let all criminals spend different terms behind bars, but work their way out, not just watch TV or lift weights.
My sentiments are quite similar to those of John B. above.
While the dangerous offender status is both richly deserved and warranted, the required testimony from the two young victims would in all probability set back their healing process by an unfathomable amount.
While we all expect justice, we must not confuse it with revenge.
Having said that, one would hope that the lack of dangerous offender status would mean that Whitmore could be assigned to the general population sooner rather than later.
Then again, last time he served his full sentence because he refused treatment or counselling. At the very least, we can hope that this is the case once again.
May he rot, first in Her Majesty’s prison; then in hell.
What’s so bad about revenge? Our justice system appears to be made up of a bunch of limp-wristed
social workers that think in terms of rehabilitation rather than punishment.It’s time to change all that. Bring back corporal and capital punishment.
I don’t like any process where a legal bargain is struck with someone who has plead guilty…they deserve the sentance prescribed by law and in balance with the nature of the crime…in this case it is fortunate this guy is not a killer…he may have traumatized innocent children but his MO displays he hasn’t the will to kill.
That said…. There should be a provision for repeat sex offenders particularly pedophiles, where any condition of their release into the public at some future date includes mandatory voluntary castration to control sex drive. Reoffending after this he loses whatever castration left.
Why should the Parents of these children be subject to making a decision of a Deal to save the children from facing & reliving the Horrors that they were subject to by this Sick Individual, No Child should have to Relive what happened to them as they will more then likely be in their own prison for life.
The time has come for Canadians to get off their lazy A**** & voice NO MORE. The parents of all innocent’s should not stand alone, Inform your MP’s either pass legislation(No Matter What stripe) to put an end to these loopholes & put these sick B******’s away or pack your bags.
Maybe we could contract his incarceration out to a nice muslim country like Saudi Arabia.
Surely the left cannot object to a reasonable request like that. The Religion of Peace wouldn’t harm a fly.
This is why moslems hate us and want Sharia law. They know how to handle a POS like this. In Canada the guy gets treated like a king.
I am with the others. Shoot the b*stard. And if you wailing tosspots haven’t got the stones to do it, give me the gun and I will do it…and sleep well at night too. Sometimes the aims of revenge and justice coincide.
You would not believe the numbers of the Enemies of the State who pleaded guilty and were shot by Stalin, Jim. Some of them confessed of the unspeakable crimes, which of course they never committed. Only those who never lost someone due to any kind of mistake can advocate capital punishment. If the accused was not killed when caught red handed, there is always doubt whether he/she did it or not, no matter how convincingly their guilty pleas sound.
The “dangerous offender” or “long-term offender” provisions in law are a joke.
Even if classified as either of those a convict is eligible for parole after 7 years and every 2 years after that.
What we need is for “life” to actually mean life in prison. You should die in there. Also, we need reverse owness. We shouldn’t have to prove a convict is “dangerous.” He/she should have to prove they are not.
From the Criminal Code of Canada:
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showdoc/cs/C-46/bo-ga:l_XXIV//en?noCookie
Review for parole
761. (1) Subject to subsection (2), where a person is in custody under a sentence of detention in a penitentiary for an indeterminate period, the National Parole Board shall, as soon as possible after the expiration of seven years from the day on which that person was taken into custody and not later than every two years after the previous review, review the condition, history and circumstances of that person for the purpose of determining whether he or she should be granted parole under Part II of the Corrections and Conditional Release Act and, if so, on what conditions.
Theres some idiot who is claiming that its his constitutional right to molest kids the in that case parents should have the constitutional right to hang this reptile from a tree
life imprisonment vs. death penalty
The majority of U.S. respondents to polls favour the death penalty. When the question is resubmitted with the additional information that life really means life, only a minority favour the death penalty. The difference being that because of squishes, life doesn’t mean life and to avoid the injustice of a future release, there is one way to avoid release.
Agreed, Hawkins! I am talking life vs. death, not whatever 2-4-5-10 years vs. death. When it becomes ‘life sentence reduced to 4 years’ it becomes ludicrous.
It is more than just having a life sentence being for a long term (obviously it is sad that we allow such short sentences to begin with), it is that at some date in the future the case is revisited and the criminal is released.
This happens because the criminal can be more persistent in seeking release than the other parties (that victims have to keep coming back to bear witness is a travesty). This also happens because the government of the day finds it easy to be soft when it reviews prior government. It is the dislike of uncertain punishment, whether justice will be served, that gives the death penalty some of its appeal.
Good arguments all. I still say hang em. As a father, I will gladly kick the chair out from under him.
My arguments don’t end at the courts, I’m also extremely disturbed that the cops surrounded the farmhouse for “HOURS” and let him do unspeakable horrors on those boys. Shameful. Bloody shameful! I realize that there will be a bunch of bleeding hearts that they did it right because no one was hurt….but in reality that’s not entirely true, is it?
If you’re horrible enough to be declared a dangerous offender, then you deserve the death penalty.
As a father, I still object the death penalty.
There are people now in jail waiting to be terminated for the crimes that they possible never committed. As a father, do you want you children to be ever in a situation like that? I don’t.
If someone has done something to my loved ones and I was not there to catch them red handed, I most certainly will not know for certain that it’s one person or another. Killing an innocent is a pretty bad business – it’s irreversible, as opposed to letting a guilty walk.
Aaron- seems he pleaded guilty, are you suggesting he possibly didnt commit them?
what do you need film at 11.OO?
The Crown did the right thing. This saved the victims from testifying. He still will be locked up for a long time. He will apply but never get parole. He’ll be locked up 23 hours a day. Dangerous offenders can apply for parole.
MAN JAILED FOR RAPE BERNARDO ADMITS TO
Settlement In Works For Male Who Pleaded Guilty
Adrian Humphreys, National Post
Published: Saturday, July 21, 2007
The Ontario government is negotiating a wrongful conviction settlement with a man sent to prison for a rape that was perpetrated by notorious sex killer Paul Bernardo.
…
Bernardo provided investigators with enough specific details about some attacks for police to identify the victims. When they tracked one rape in Toronto — expecting to find an unsolved case — they instead learned that another man had already been arrested, charged and convicted for it after pleading guilty in court, according to several sources familiar with the case.
He was released from prison after serving his sentence.
…
It is a mystery why the man, who has not been identified, pleaded guilty to the crime if he was innocent. The plea came in the midst of his trial on the advice of his lawyer after hearing some of the evidence against him, sources said.
It is not known what evidence led to his arrest.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=f47202af-c8e2-4cfa-8a4d-0800d88c2992&k=67050
Since the victims are children their affidavits should be more than enough to convict the son of a bitch.
Aaron – “Killing an innocent is a pretty bad business – it’s irreversible, as opposed to letting a guilty walk.”
Until that guilty fellow rapes another child or murders someone else. That’s pretty irreversible too.
“Funny how you don’t see Lefties raging on about this, only Conservative types”
So unless you notice someone foaming at the mouth you assume he’s in tacit agreement.
The silence from Conservatives about the epidemic of paedophilia in the Catholic Church is deafening. One Bishop estimated that at one time 10% of Catholic priests in the United States were paedophiles. Fortunately through a lot of hard work they reckon they’ve got that figure down to 5%. The vast majority of whom will never go to prison.
Not nice having something like rubbed in your face is it? Might want to think about that next time you shoot your keyboard off.
Or better yet, just tink.
“It is a mystery why the man, who has not been identified, pleaded guilty to the crime if he was innocent. The plea came in the midst of his trial on the advice of his lawyer after hearing some of the evidence against him, sources said.
It is not known what evidence led to his arrest.”
Good find Andrew….one of many good reasons the “plea bargaining Process” does not produce justice…just a conviction…usually not what is deserved or in this case that is not deserved.
The reason the man was not released was the cops stop looking for concrete evidence after the guilty plea and conviction.
My question here is what made the crown prosecutor charge the guy…the CP and this guys lawyer should serve out the sentence if there was any justice at all.
Again the justice system in this socialist country has to walk looking only at the ground……I sincerely wish we had the “He deserved killin’ law” that they have in Texas. I would gladly pull the trigger, the lever or whatever it would take to rid the world of this waste of human skin and all like him!
Again the justice system in this socialist country has to walk looking only at the ground……I sincerely wish we had the “He deserved killin’ law” that they have in Texas. I would gladly pull the trigger, the lever or whatever it would take to rid the world of this waste of human skin and all like him!
Excellent commentary at Calgary Sun:
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=d3fd14cc-a9ff-4f86-8d6a-5ab76848579f
Hey Aaron. I hope this dude ends up in YOUR neighbourhood:
http://www.townhall.com/News/NewsArticle.aspx?ContentGuid=411eb742-cb6d-4aff-8c33-2e3ac728f12a
Try and sell me that load of crap you’re shovelling after it happens to you.
On second thought…don’t. For your own sake.
I maybe mistaken, but believe that since one of the boys at the time of the attacks was 14, the court would have to prove ‘lack of consent’ given that in Canada, an adult can have consensual sex with anyone 14 or older. That may explain why the parents didn’t want to subject their son to having to relive the experience and have some ‘every citizen is entitled to a defence/every criminal is innocent until proven guilty’ lawyer get to cross-examine the kid and ask him questions like: you liked it didn’t you? You wanted it. Etc.
The legal system in this country is so f*cked up you have to wonder out loud who in the hell is running the show.
Of course the conservatives can’t get a bill through the house (given Liberal opposition) to raise that age of consent to 16.
Ed the Hun
Whitmore, Eh?
click, BANG…*thud*
Who?
now the uber homo Bill Graham is gone and a few Quebec liberals have left maybe one can put a change of the age of consent in. I think it was left there at 14 due to the “free thinking “french and the Catholic church.
Residing in the prison capital of Canada, this crap comes as no surprise. They release bona fide scum punk thugs onto the streets of Kingston every week. Some crawl back to trawna or Hamiliton, but we get a few who decide to make Kingston their home. I personally have had to bury an uncle who was murdered by a douchebag two weeks out of prison. As well, a Korean friend of mine was shot in the chest by a piece of garbage, 3 weeks out, over the float for his store. We get muggings, rapes, assaults and robberies from freshly released scumbags, and all the librano appointed morons running CSC do is shrug their shoulders. It has gotten to the point where certain locals have decided to act on their own to deal with some of these reprobates. F#$% em, they deserve every broken bone they get. SCUMBAGS!
It’s not the fault of the judicial system. After all, he WAS given “strict orders” to avoid contact with children under 14 when he was released in the early 90s.
“While we all expect justice, we must not confuse it with revenge.”
And WHY not????
horny Toad
“While we all expect justice, we must not confuse it with revenge.”
And WHY not????
horny Toad
Kate, I’ve reviewed as much as I could regarding the Whitmore thing. Was there any indication from the crown about one of the kids being 14 and being able to offer consent? Given the current struggle that Harper’s crew is having in getting the age of consent changed (increased), this might be a perfect vehicle to make their point and get the liberals (including the senate) to pass some much needed, commonsensical legislation.
Just wondering.
Ed the Hun
Okay, that sounded a bit stupid. What my point was is that was there concern from the crown about Whitmore’s council suggesting that the 14 year gave consent to participate in the escapades or that the 14 year old may have somehow been responsible for the kidnapping, etc?
That is the point that I was trying to raise. Was there any indication that the crown negotiated a plea to ensure that the 14 year old wouldn’t be made to defend that he did not CONSENT to sexual actions, since under our law, a 14 year old CAN give that consent.
Thanks,
Ed the Hun
LOCK HIM UP AND THROW AWAY THE KEY
The presiding judge, McClellan, said that even though he is eligible for parole at 7 years, there is no guarantee that he will get parole. Well, with all due respect, my lord, I am far more concerned that there is no guarantee that some douche bag parole board WILL give him parole. We all know what will happen after that!
Make that “won’t” give him parole.
Perhaps convicted paedophiles should be forced to buy sex assault insurance? (Where does the Catholic church in the USA buy theirs?)
Read the victim impact statements, then give me a good reason why this scum shouldn’t be executed.