White House Fact Sheet: A New International Climate Change Framework
Today, President Bush Announced U.S. Support For An Effort To Develop A New Post-2012 Framework On Climate Change By The End Of 2008. The plan recognizes that it is essential that a new framework include both major developed and developing economies that generate the majority of greenhouse gas emissions and consume the most energy, and that climate change must be addressed in a way that enhances energy security and promotes economic growth.Under The President’s Proposal, The United States Will Convene The Major Emitters And Energy Consumers To Advance And Complete The New Framework By The End Of 2008.
Europe is "furious".
Greenpeace is squawking.
Via Planet Gore, where they believe we've witnessed a Bush coup in wrestling the agenda on climate change out of the hands of the UN and Europe. Exerpts follow.
"It seems to me that lots of people are missing a notable feature of Bush's proposal to convene a "Big 15" to contemplate long-range greenhouse gas emissions targets: Bush is in effect threatening to put the UN's IPCC out of business as the main diplomatic forum for global climate policy. Whatever else may be said—both good and bad—about Bush's initiative, putting the UN out of the climate business can't entirely be a bad thing."
Iain Murray
You're right, of course. This was the logical end-point of the IPCC process. Once the science had become accepted to the point where everyone agreed that some political action needed to be taken, the IPCC would no longer be needed. If the science is as "settled" as it is claimed, then there's no need for an intergovernmental panel on the issue any more. It becomes an economic and political question - and governments that aren't experts on climatology are pretty good at economic analysis and political bargaining.
Chris Horner:
President Bush stunned the Europeans with his Thursday announcement, playing their game as well as they do but from a better position: US carbon dioxide emissions from 2000-2006 are flat. Europe’s are up and steadily rising, 6 years out of the 9* since Kyoto was agreed, in fact; US CO2 emissions over that same period are equally superior.The truth which the Administration refuses to say (more than once) is that big-talking Europe is a bossy non-performer. Bush diplomatically doesn’t say so, but instead preempted a planned political trap at the G-8 talks by clearly delineating the US position, incompatible with and pulling the rug out from under G-8 president Germany’s plan. German and G-8 president Angela Merkel planned to draw the US to an event to have pies thrown at them, then strong-arm them into agreeing to something the US otherwise rejected. That is, to replicate what happened at the Earth Summit in Rio in 1992.
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Better, Bush reiterated his “do your own thing” policy that China and other significant players have made unavoidably clear is a non-negotiable condition precedent. Immediately garnering the support of world leaders such as Japan’s Abe and the departing-but-Kyotophilic Tony Blair is priceless.
In short, with an offering far more credible on the global stage than Kyoto, Bush changed the news story and split European and relevant global opinion [...]
He also did this without changing policy. Who knows, maybe the White House now “gets it” so much that, if our EU friends keep pushing it, we will hear about actual emissions performance since Kyoto was agreed.
Let's hope so.
Must say I have been frustrated by the Harper government co-opting of the enviro-file. But now in hidsight, it would appear that the strategy was for the Conservatives to actually own the file.
Think of the Kyoto file in gay marriage terms. The left, (in cahoots with the national media)had an issue that Conservatives, based on their common sense ideology, would have to oppose.
By dressing it up as a doomsday motherhood issue, it would allow them to take the moral (non scientific) high ground against the Conservatives (with relentless media help)
Conservatives fell into that same trap with abortion and gay marriage. Any rebuttal to the Lib/left dogma was reported as proof of a neo-con, scary, hidden agenda.
If Conservatives oppose, Libs set the tone of the debate.
What is apparent is that the Harper Conservatives realized that the best way to handcuff both the Libs and the media was to take ownership of the issue, knowing that it would mean temporarily losing some base support.
Seems like a good strategy given that the media has been all to willing to pimp an enviro angle that can be best described as junk science.
Well this will certainly have the left tripping all over themselves.
I figure they will start out with the typical "Bush is a moron", "Bush is as smart as a bush" holier than thou tack. This will quickly be followed by the paranoid "evil genius", "CONSPIRACY!!!" fatman Moore tack.
If you don't want spittle all over you, I would suggest staying at least 10 feet back from the nearest chicken little. They are going to be apoplectic.
Been a long time since I said this, Bravo Zulu George!
In my opinion, the quickest way to get the media to switch sides in a story line is for Conservatives / Republicans to support the "popular" story line.
Now, the leftist media can't support the damnable Conservatives / Republicans...they're evil kitten-eaters! (sarc)
Look for the American media to begin to "discover" the "truth" about Kyoto, much as some in the Canadian media are starting to question Kyoto.
Aside from Lawrence Solomon at the FP, who would that be Eeyore?
Let's also hope that Harper has the balls to keep Canada from agreeing to anything at the G8 on climate that doesn't force India and the "communist Chinese" onto the agreement.
Anything less is a sell out to the European environuts as
they are currently wedded to Kyoto.
The "carbon credit" scheme is a bloody sham and Harper knows it.
Too bad Canadian MSM doesn't understand it.
Seems we have smarter negotiators this time. As opposed to the last wones who upped our contribution just to be more than the Americans, as if that really matters.
Nice to know we have a government that knows what weapon to take to the fight....
Why the Europeans seem to think the Chinese and Indians are expempt is beyond me, other than I guess they are hoping to get the Americans to sign on and then get the Chinese and the Indians.
Bush's strategy is better....I know my economy's worth and I know who my competiors are, so lets go deal with them directly. Why should the United States deal in a mediated fashion....no different than why should the Chinese deal in a mediated fashion. Deal direct, deal with your peers whom you likely can find more common ground with rather than economies that are aging, moved into service sector and are on the downside of industrialization.....
Of course this assumes CO2 is even a big problem. But as someone else said, lets say it is....well the people who are the problem are dealing with it now so no need for the co-ordinating bodies, spank you very much
Finally some republicans left in Washington said: "we've had about enough of this commie panic profiteering, time to take the real garbage out".
Still...I see no reason to accept the concept we can do anything about climate change...maybe we can better react to the cycles with water use and argiculture practice but essentially we can't do squat about changing the climate...why even debate the issue...to do so is to give credibility to the climate doom cult.
Harper has the upper hand on the Environment, he got on their wagon and fixed it well. He stymied the enviro freaks, the MSM, et al, now all they can do is holler and howl, our plan is better than yours, you can't be trusted, you don't go far enough, your in cahoots with George Bush, yadda, yadda.
It is becoming clearer the whole thing is a farce and scam of major proportions. It's all about the dregs and polluters getting big bucks in credits,and the scammers in the Enviro movement getting richer. They know they're about to be exposed as the charlatans they are and we hear the din of their desperate attempts at defending the indefensible.
Common sense will prevail, we'll work on cleaning up pollution in large urban, industrialized areas as the Conservative plan entails.
Watch for Gore and Suzuki to have a desperate attempt at plan B.
Al Gore and the Eurowienies are just PO'd to be pulled off the Lobster and Butter circuit.
Germany : Ve must cut Kanadas immission now! order them, pass the lobster.
France : cut the colonials emmissions to 1 mega ton , another glass of champagne?
Canada : Dat is not fair!!! Ein beer sausage and some Dijon mustard merci.
Jim - it is indeed primarily the Financial Post that has been warning against Kyoto - and Lawrence Solomon is the major voice. That includes his February 2007 multi-part series on The Deniers. He has more columns in February and March.
But, there are a few, just a few others. Stuck awy from the general public reader - There's Diane Francis of the FP (Feb/07); Thomas D'Aquino, NP (March 07). Several by John Ivison of the NP (Jan/Feb 07). Lorrie Goldstein, Toronto Sun Feb 07; a July 23/06 editorial against Kyoto by the Toronto Sun and a weak G&M Feb 07 editorial against Dion's Kyoto policy.
That's all that I have; I would hope there are more, but Canadians, brainwashed into meekness, are not a debative, dissenting mindset; you have to go to the US for real debates - although, admittedly, the left side doesn't debate; it just preaches.
Incredible; finally, we have a PM who is doing what is right for Canada, not what keeps him in power.
ET, thanks for the list. Will have to keep an eye out.
"Greenpeace is furious"
I had the good fortune the other day to cross paths with a Greenpeace-nik who was soliciting funds from passers by.
When asked if I had time for Greenpeace, I replied "No, I can't stand Greenpeace."
The Greenpeace-nik was flabberagsted, and I walked away with a smile.
AL GORE,GREENPEACE and the EUROWEENIE UNION should get a life this whole global warming is a big fat lie its just another attempt by unscruploius persons to control our lives the whole KYOTO TREATY is based on junk science,lies and compuer simulations and the above mentioned are the biggist producers of HOT AIR
Think there is any chance of this causing Mo Strong to pop a heart valve??
Hopefully, any new treaty will be based on science, not on ego and agenda. If Bush can pull this off, and get it in place before the end of 2008, Al Gore would be completely neutered if he became the next prez of the US.
Its really unfortnate that there's no Sim-Earth program where you can throw in different leaders and see what happens.
Spurwing said: "this whole global warming is a big fat lie its just another attempt by unscruploius persons to control our lives "
It's a politically actuated con meant to enrich the hucksters and expand the power of global regulators...the primary thrust was to have an unelect world body regulate and tax energy use ( an you imagine the potential for corruption?)
Kyoto-GW-GHG was paln 1
Plan 2 is the resurgence of the peak oil panic precipitated by the fraudulent shortages of refined petro fuel products due to the number of refibers taken off line by profiteering energy commodity cartels...Bush started to investigate the phoney gas shortage in the US but had the project stalled ..why?
At any rate the next bigh panic will be aimed at consumer energy consumption and tying it the the myth of sustainability
Not one question re climate or GHG last night in the DEBATE. The g&m is having a field day with the anti-haper comments re his message and how he is embarrassing Canada on the world stage by blaming the liberals for inaction. I read the article and never saw the word liberal, past govt, or any reference to dion. I don't think most of the kyotolgist followers have any idea of what full compliance means to their life style and wallet. Best comment was the one-
-I read someone woke from a 19yr coma and thought it was a liberal senator.
WLMR said "At any rate the next bigh panic will be aimed at consumer energy consumption and tying it the the myth of sustainability"
Are you then saying energy consumption can go on increasing forever? Besides the likes of Julian Simon and Bjorn Lomborg few people actually think we can.
Last time I checked, Earth is a sphere, and the amount of oil/gas/coal in it is finite. There will be a point where you can't produce more, a Peak. We can argue about WHEN it will occur but not IF.
My view on AGW is neutral, the debate for whatever it's worth has been hijacked by cornucopians on one side and doomers on the other. For the sake of future generations though, we must promote conservation of fossil fuels, at until until something better is found. So far it hasn't.
Great, now all we have to do is wait for India China and Russia to pretend to sign on.
It's junk science and socialism in an incredibly cheap enviro-cheeseweiner-suit.
It should be explained as such, Bush and Harper have just conceded that the lie is real, and that there is a problem we can fix.
We can now look forward to more taxes and special government departments with attached media whores to spring up everywhere.
Maybe this useless destructive program will be the tipping point lefties require to make over 50% of Canadians gubmint cheque receivers.
Bush and Harper won't earn one more vote, but Ivison and Goldstein can now just plug the AP Transnational progressive cable directly into the newly installed jacks in the back of our skulls.
Trying to justify living this lie to support party popularity is wrong.
The difference between a Do Something plan and a Talk about it plan!
Dubya has a way of surprising people!
I approve.
Gore has zero chance of becoming President, he's a spent force, he blew it all on hot air with a nucleus of lies. It's a case of he doesn't know enough to realize he doesn't know. He's not capable of debate on the subject, he's like the rest of the Left, it's all about preaching. Ask me some questions, I'll tell you some lies is their motto.
CBC - is fighting BACK! The 5th Estate - Denial Machine?
Peter Foster, Financial Post, is a longtime denier of the AGW hoax.
His columns are buried in the Financial Post section of the National Post. However, kudos to the Financial Post for Foster's work.
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Emissions trading: a recipe for waste
... Emissions trading: a recipe for waste. Peter Foster, Financial Post. Published:
Friday, May 12, 2006. The report noted that..
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/archives/search_results.html?searchtype=0&searchfor=peter%20foster
Jim, in response to your earlier question, ET had identified some of the obvious folks, but there are a few others (if memory serves). Licia Corbeil (?), if I'm not mistaken, is one.
And there are others that are seeming to "dance on the edge of reason", as it were...not "full-out" deniers, but at least seeming to question some aspects of Kyoto and AGW. Please don't ask for specific examples, I can't provide any.
The nerve of Bush to come up with a plan for a treaty to follow Kyoto. Didn't he know how much that was going to upset the Greens?
That Greenpeace is disturbed by Bush's attempts to "wreck" Kyoto, is laughable. Kyoto was designed not to work it was wrecked before it left the factory floor. The greens don't want treaties that will work, it is antithetical to their way of thinking.
A friend of mine worked for Sierra and Greenpeace on a coalition group to negotiate protected lands for the Komody or Spirit Bear in northwest BC. They did a really good job and actually got industry and government to set aside the lands. Oddly, near the end when it all looked settled in favour of the greens, they terminated my friend's contract, removing him from the negotiation table. I'm currently cynical enough to say that the greens tried to sabotage their own project so they could continue to fight.
Terrence Corcoran and Peter Foster have also been Kyoto Hoax Busters right from the begining.
There are more. These journalists took a stand, reported the real truth. They were ridiculed by their colleagues and the Suzuki/Gore crowd.
Someone, perhaps I, will compile a list of articles by these worthy journalists. Such as this one by Terrence Corcoran. Notice the date. Almost nine (9) years ago.
//www.sepp.org/Archive/reality/realagenda.html
Global Warming: The Real Agenda
Editorial by Terrence Corcoran
Copyright 1998 Financial Post (Canada)
December 26, 1998
A few quotes;
" Backed by an army of bureaucrats and researchers, governments are systematically preparing to shut down the engines of economic progress in the name of environmentalism. In Canada, the heart of the stop-growth campaign is Environment Canada, where key bureaucrats dedicated to imposing an environmental agenda on the country have seized control. The focus of their effort is global warming and climate change, which they intend to use as a lever to impose what can only be described as a new economic order."
"The politician nominally in charge of all this is Environment Minister Christine Stewart. Whether Ms. Stewart fully understands what's going on around her is unknown, but during a recent visit with the editorial board of the Calgary Herald she certainly demonstrated her conversion to the religion of global warming."
"Ms. Stewart said that, 'as minister of the environment, I am very worried about global warming,' which for a politician isn't saying much. Politicians are habitually 'very worried' about one thing or another. The trouble starts when they use their power to fix problems they're worried about, even if the problems don't exist. Ms. Stewart said she's prepared to do exactly that. 'No matter if the science is all phony,' she said, 'there are collateral environmental benefits.'"
"Environment Canada, therefore, is prepared to act on global warming even if there's no such thing as global warming. On the strength of phony science, the federal government would still be willing to impose new taxes on energy consumption, cut economic growth, reduce our standard of living, and create bookshelves filled with new regulation governing most facets of the lives of Canadians."
"In another statement quoted by the Herald, Ms. Stewart gave another reason for adopting the religion of global warming. 'Climate change [provides] the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world.' Here she gets closer to the core motivation of some of the leading global warming activists. Where socialism's attempt at a global redistribution of wealth ended in economic catastrophe, global warming is being wheeled in as the next new economic crusade."
"Consolidating Ms. Stewart's statements, we reach some horrific conclusions. Whether global warming actually exists is irrelevant. It is, in the hands of government and environmental activists, a convenient front for the introduction of programs and economic policies that Canadians - and most citizens of the world - would not otherwise accept."
Jane Stewart. And then David Anderson. Then Stephane Dion.
Rona Ambrose was savaged by the likes of Suzuki et al. PMSH saw that an Enviro Minister of very, very strong fortitude was needed. Perhaps Baird can halt this decade long lunacy. And, instead, bring us actual polution regulations.
"next week’s G8 summit, which would require leaders to agree to prevent global temperatures rising by more than 2 degrees Celsius..."
In order to achieve this mandate of controlling global temperatures, the developed nations of the world will need to cooperate.
* The US will be in charge of controlling solar activity, including sunspots and flares
* The EU will be in charge of controlling world-wide volcanic activity
* Asia will be in charge of controlling El Ninos
McIntyre and McKitrick have also been published in the NP. They were the first to systematically refute the infamous hockey stick curve which the IPCC has relied on so heavily.
"CBC - is fighting BACK! The 5th Estate - Denial Machine?"
Well, they have their knickers in a knot don't they. I mean CBC has decided that AGW is real and therefore its settled.
As my dad would say... HOGWASH
Ron In Kelowna....
Excellent!
Kate points out, through her links, that emissions continue to rise in the European countries that have ratified Kyoto, while America has seen their emissions stay level. Well, the point is, so what? What does that have to do with Kyoto?
All Kate is doing is confusing the average person, and at a time when it's absolutely critical to stay the course.
Kate's ongoing attempts to "examine" Kyoto with her "links" is counterproductive, and a staggering affront against Mother Earth.
Maybe some of the commenters here should consider standing back from their keyboards and actually watching the news. Gee, there's a novel idea, no? Maybe start with CTV and CBC? see what's happening in the real world? Right? See what I mean?
Libby Raoul said: "Maybe some of the commenters here should consider standing back from their keyboards and actually watching the news."
Here is the "news" from the socialist BBC.
"It is essentially a permit to pollute."
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Carbon trade scheme 'is failing'
By Julian O' Halloran
BBC File On 4
Gas emissions
The government's own figures show an increase in greenhouse gases.
The EU's carbon trading scheme has increased electricity bills, given a windfall to power companies and failed to cut greenhouse gases, it is claimed.
An investigation by BBC Radio 4's File on 4 programme has found that after two and half years the scheme has yet to cut in carbon dioxide emissions.
The consumer body Energywatch said customers are getting a raw deal.
But a government minister has promised that the scheme's next phase will be a big improvement.
The EU's Emission Trading Scheme - a key part of the UK Government's drive to combat climate change - began in 2005 and created a trade in carbon allowances.
It is essentially a permit to pollute. ...-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/file_on_4/6720119.stm
GREENPEACE GO HOME GREENPEACE GO HOME GREENPEACE GO HOME SQUAWK SQUAWK
Kyoto has nothing to do with saving Mother Earth.
Kyoto is a World Government Socialistic scam.
"French President Jacques Chirac called the Kyoto treaty on global warming “the first component of an authentic global governance,”"
Kyoto is actually a good laugh on the eco-freaks. It could have been dreamed up by some Machiavellian Capitalist Oppressor.
"Let's see now, how we can make the eco-freaks look as stupid as possible? I've got it! We'll get them to stop fighting against Air Pollution and start fighting against, er, Carbon Dioxide. Yeah, that's it. Carbon Dioxide. Totally evil stuff that will do bad things if the Eco-Freaks don't stop it. And to fight it, you have to buy Carbon Credits, from Al Gore. Yeah, that's the ticket, Carbon_Credits_from_Al_Gore." Talk about sucking them in.