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So now scientific veracity is to be decided
by judges, and not by science. What an incredibly bad precident.

http://www.reutershealth.com/archive/2007/06/11/eline/links/20070611elin016.html

And if these people win and effectively outlaw vaccines, will we then have parents of children who get diseased due to the alck of vaccination suing the autistic pressure group?

My friends are the parents of a child turned autist after inoculation. It's a life changing event, but those, to whom this never occurred, don't listen.
I was not listening until MSG hurt me so badly that I almost became disabled. This is not a conspiracy theory - this is happening around you every day and you are dismissing this as nonsense. So much suffering on this continent could have been avoided, if adding MSG and sugar substitutes to food and drugs was made a criminal offense. But no, this is a business opportunity, business as usual. Keep going and Ajinomoto will be laughing at America all the way to the bank.

Too late Wimpy, its already been done.

Remember silicone breast implants? There's no science that shows a link to soft tissue diseases, but they got banned anyway.

Second hand smoke? No science, banned.

Guns? C02? McDonald's Big Macs?

I could go on. You get the picture.

I foresee a great uprising against judicial activism and freedom-gobbling socialists in the not too distant future. Selling their wares to the general public assumes Socialists control the information flow. Now they don't, and anybody at all can fact check their lying a$$es anytime.

Sticking to the topic, I see your friends have already arrived at the conclusion that the innoculation caused their child's autism. How did they do that? How is their child's autism diagnosed?

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/a77af2ba-177c-11dc-86d1-000b5df10621.html

Our pal that rascally "Pooty Poot" Putin is at it again....showing his stripes as the cold war commie crime capo he is...this time hinting at an east block dominated IMF/World bank system based on a new currency other than the dollar (guess he's trolling for Euro-trash here) with China and Russia having seats at the table of a new world banking syndicate....he is essentially rejecting the Bretton Woods II agreement to peg international trade to the US dollar.

Putin smells blood with Bush's neglect of the dollar by expanding the US money supply to the contraction point (green back value now in free fall) and now sees the time is right to have several strong currencies gang up to knock the greenback out of international currency domination/regulation.

But Russia and China are our pals!! What's all this economic aggression?

Phantom, so true, sadly.

As to the second hand smoke issue, a few years back, the WHO actually produced a report stating that this risk was at best insignificant. That scientific report was rapidly buried by tranzy politicos.

Given that nobody knows what actually causes autism, or even what it -is- at a neurological level, one would think that these activists would have a hard time proving their case. Even the diagnosis is a behavioral one, not based on a physical test.

Unfortunately, cases such as these are never decided on the facts. They get decided by people who confuse correlation with causation.

Nobody forces you to inhale second hand smoking. If you do mind, move 10' away from the smoker. But the poisonous inoculations are virtually mandatory. You are comparing apples and oranges.

As to your question, Wimpy, autism has been diagnosed when soon after MMR shot their kid stopped talking and quickly degressed. Before the shot he was a healthy boy. If it walks like a duck, it's a duck.

Aaron: I agree with you...big pharma has had a free ride too long and the accountability on vaccines is little to none....the scientific analysis of what is in this mass innoculation jungle juice is hair raising...everything from mercury to carcinogens to other lethal viral pathenogens.

They need a few high profile cases where they get their pants sued off to straighten that industry up and get some proper ethical oversight and accountability.

Mindrot, the Tragic City?

With the fabulous Mouse River?

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/224207

Britain, the seat of civilization in the world, at one time.

We will fight in the hills... and in the hospitals:

In recent days, internecine Palestinian violence
reached new heights when rival factions took their
fights into the hospitals, even causing treatment at
one hospital to cease for several hours after a
doctor was dragged to the street and shot six times
in the legs. On Sunday, a Hamas member and a Fatah
operative were killed by being cuffed and thrown off
high-rises.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1181570255159&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Nobody forces you to inhale second hand smoking. If you do mind, move 10' away from the smoker.

what about the apes that smoke around their newborn children? can they move away?

listen buddy, non-smokers are the overwhelming majority, if you light up and it offends, it's YOUR responsibility to move 10 feet.

there's no reasoning with addicts.

Straight from British Columbia... Crimes no bar to investor job, BCSC rules. It seems that a fellow who was convicted of murdering a B.C. police officer, in the mist of a life of more quotidian crime (armed robbery, etc.), has gotten work in investor relations for New Cantech Ventures Inc. The TSX Venture had rejected the guy, "arguing his 'demonstrated history of dishonesty' [he had only reported his murder conviction on the application form] raised doubts about working with investors." He appealed to the B.C. Securities Commission, who overturned the TSX's rejection.

So, as of today, Mr. William John Nichols has permission to "conduct investor relations activities for public companies."

P.S. [Perversity Survey]: This guy has gotten more relative sympathy in the Comments section than Paris Hilton has - although the majority of commenters are appalled, thank goodness.

So, what did you learn in school today?
MARGARET WENTE
G&M

Shortly after the shooting death of Jordan Manners, the 15-year-old Toronto student, eighth-grade students at nearby Oakdale Park Middle School were called to an assembly. The subject: relations with the police. It's a hot issue in that part of town. The community is in an uproar over the shooting and allegations are flying that police have been heavy-handed in their hunt for Jordan's killer.

Their message to the 12- and 13-year-olds was simple: Don't trust the cops. They are not your friends. They deserve to be hated and feared, because they are bullying, brutal and racist. For good measure, they handed out an offensive little leaflet called "Survival Tactics: Dealing with Police." It kicks off with a reference to Rodney King, the black man who was beaten up by the Los Angeles police several years before these kids were born. "Although it may be difficult, be polite when they are insulting and bullying you," the brochure reads.

Who were these anti-cop propagandists? They were law students from nearby Osgoode Hall Law School at York University. They are volunteers with an outfit called Community and Legal Aid Services Programme, CLASP...

http://tinyurl.com/29sf7l

Aaron, I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings. But you know, just because two things happen close together in time does not mean they are related.

You can't prove MMR vaccines -cause- autism until you A) define autism on a physical level, which hasn't been done yet and B) demonstrate how the vaccine or its components create the physical condition that is autism.

Cigarettes are a great example. The link between smoking and heart disease has been demonstrated quite well. We know the chemistry of it, the physiology, the whole shebang. Daily smoking of a certain dosage, given a certain body type and exercise regimen will predictably lead to heart disease. (Second hand smoke is too low a dose!)

We do NOT know all that for smoking and cancer. Reason being, nobody knows the chemistry/physiology of cancer well enough. We -know- that smoking is correlated with cancer, but we only -suspect- it is a cause of cancer. Same with asthma, allergies and a bunch of other claims against smoking.

Now with the MMR/autism thing, we don't even have a good correlation. Autism is rare compared to the population exposed to MMR vaccine. Some kids develop autism who didn't have the vaccine. Etc.

Sorry to rain on your parade, eh?

Jeff, you are barking at the wrong tree. Wimpy was comparing virtually mandatory (opt out) vaccines with 2nd hand smoke and I pointed out that the later can be avoided effortlessly.

I have checked in to the immunization 'business'. As a health care worker I am 'going against the flow' in the case of the flu vaccine. It is not right to mindlessly line up and 'get your shot', when hand washing is your best defence.
Check the facts people...the vaccine industry is playing with the minds of the sheeple who are:
#1...afraid to die
#2...wanting the Nanny state to 'control' everything.
We need to take more responsibilty for our own health.

...just too dog gone tired eh Kate?

;-)

Phantom: autism was unknown in the Soviet Union which used vaccines developed by its own pharma industry. It's on the rise in the former USSR countries since they switched to the imported ones. In a few decades of living in Russia I have not seen or heard of a single autist kid. Since coming to Canada I saw many. Different kinds of vaccines were used, but also different food.

The big question is why do you insist there is no problem with the vaccines?

Hey a little black boy was killed by a gun, lib scumbags can't let great opportunities like that go by. An identifiable victim group to be pandered to, soooo...
Daltoon McLiar throws a few million of our tax dollars at vote kickback race pimps.
Roy McMurtry (everyman's millionaire Rosedale blueblood) will pick pocket another million $ to add credence to the new improved giant utopian basketball court, soon to be announced.

"Jamaican-born Curling was an MPP for 20 years and was the first black Speaker of the Ontario Legislature.

McMurtry, who retired as chief justice last month and who is a former attorney general, also heads Toronto Mayor David Miller's Advisory Panel on Community Safety.

In addition to this review, the Toronto District School Board has appointed human rights lawyer Julian Falconer to lead a panel to look into the incidents at C.W. Jeffreys Collegiate and school safety in general."

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/224271

Innoculations seem to be controversial in cycles. Seems to me that for a while parents were starting to refuse innoculations to the point that diseases that were virtually elliminated in the western world were showing up all over. I'll have to google the exact data but it was a case of the safety of the many was being compromised by the fears (unfounded?) of the few. Certainly a topic of debate.

BTW, as a healthcare worker(and over 50) I get flu shots every year. I missed one year and got as sick as a dog about a month after. Coincidence, maybe or maybe not but I won't miss again.

My son suffered total kidney failure after his measles vaccine.
Why is it up to us to prove that the vaccines may be responsible? Why is it not up to the pharaceutical companies to prove it the vaccines are safe? Talk about having your cake and eating it too. But then, what is the life or health of a child worth to them?
Check out what happens to doctors who dare question the affect of vaccines on our children.

New topic please! Here's one - Denis Coderre and Dawn Black are concerned for our troops, so they want to deny them equipment while, get this, auditor general looks at Centre for Policy Alternatives allegations of non-tendered contracts:

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=48fd3157-ea89-4d8a-8311-60c453e5d675

As Maz2 and others have pointed out, CFPA are hardly experts on defence procurement and some of their "conclusions" are ridiculous.

Don't get me wrong, if their are irregularities, then let's deal with them. But not on the basis of the shoddy research of the CFPA and the utter lack of defence expertise of Coderre and Black.

Once more Libs and Dippers want to support the troops by denying them equipment (Coderre against tank purchase) and supporting them by bringing them home, using the excuse of this so-called study.

Please can we have a summer election. I think everybody will win, the Tories will get their coveted majority and the Grits will be able to get rid of Dion.

A lot of problems in children could be avoided by changing diets, eliminating msg, red food coloring, and high sugar foods. Same goes for perfumed products. But, rather than experimenting parents are too ready to head for the courts. I know of one family who had an autistic child, because he didn't speak etc. Funny, no doctor sent the parents to an audiologist, just took the easy way out. Guess what, he was DEAF. Hearing aids and speech therapy made a world of difference. Cured his autism. Not every child you produce is a genius in waiting, live with it.
Our society has produced a population of victims.
Nothing is your fault, find a lawyer who can't make a living, and sue.

A quebec "peace" group has written a letter to the VanDoos asking them to surrender in advance of their deployment to Afghanistan.

The letter says "Your deployment in Afghanistan means complicity with the civilian deaths and other activities… that are tantamount to war crimes"

http://www.thestar.com/News/article/224253

I've tracked down the peace group's email and posted it on my blog [*you can only put one link in these things so... anyhow click on my name above to go there]if you're interested in sending them a letter...

Lawyers reap $$$$$$$$$$$$$...-

Frank D'Angelo takes on Ottawa blogger
National Post - 38 minutes ago
Neate Seager, an Ottawa Sun copy editor and sports blogger has gotten in the bad books of Steelback CEO and founder Frank D'Angelo (seen here).
Steelback president files suit against Ottawa blogger Globe and Mail
Blogger Hit with $2 Million Libel Suit Suit
(googoo news)

Thibault appointed by AdScam Chretien: The Librano$ ...-

Thibault accused of cashing in on public purse

Globe and Mail - 44 minutes ago
Almost half of the $1.7-million paid by the federal government to Quebec's former lieutenant-governor cannot be traced to her official activities and she should be made to pay it back, two reports probing the 10-year tenure of Lise Thibault say. ...-
More googoo news)

Pedophilia in "Palestine"

http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com/2007/06/pedophilia-in-palestine.html

I did not make this up.

An Adscam participant has agreed to an out-of-court settlement of $1M. At the end of the article (in which CBC referred to the "Conservative Government" chasing after charges and reimbursement), CBC notes:

"The sponsorship program, now defunct, was designed to raise the federal government's profile in the wake of the 1995 sovereignty referendum in Quebec. Over its life, Liberal-friendly ad firms in that province took in millions of taxpayers' dollars.

Some of the money ended up in the pockets of high-ranking Liberal organizers in Quebec, allowing the opposition to paint the government of former prime minister Jean Chrétien as corrupt."

"...allowing the opposition to paint...as corrupt." Riiight! Nice turn of a phrase!

I just love balance and lack of spin in the news!

Did the dog at least have the decency to call to say he'd be late? Just paw his doggie-cellphone and go "Woof woof woof"...

Translation: "Kate- sorry- will be late. Just met this really hot beetch and..."

"I get flu shots every year. I missed one year and got as sick as a dog about a month after. Coincidence, maybe or maybe not but I won't miss again."

I don't get flu shots and haven't had more than a cold for years. Maybe if I have a bad year, I will consider them. Until then, I won't.

*
You wake up in the middle of the night and you hear somebody
breaking into your house... what's the first thing you do after
calling 911?

In this neck of the woods, you break out the pump-gun.

*

I often wondered why Kate was occasionaly posting on the unknown (to me at least) Fred Thompson as a Republican Presidential contender. Now I know why :)

[ WASHINGTON — Republicans antsy for a conservative standard-bearer in the presidential race have begun to rally behind Fred Thompson, propelling the former Tennessee senator to within hailing distance of the lead for the party's nomination, a new Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg Poll has found. ]

[ Former New York Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani holds first place in the survey, with support from 27% of the Republicans and independents who said they plan to vote in the party's 2008 primaries. ]

[ But Thompson, an actor who played a prosecutor on NBC's "Law & Order," runs just behind, with 21%. Indications are he will join the race within the next month. ] LA Times

//www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/la-na-poll12jun12,0,6280343.story

I guess the kiss-of-death for McCain was the media's support of him as a GOP Gore-Light.

An actor though ?? Well, remember Ronald Reagan's quip ------ "In this job you have to be an actor" :)

Robert I am with that 100%... thx for the info... coalition-valcartier-2007@resist.ca

Time Warner CEO, Richard Parsons, admits; "I worry about CNN more than I do about CNN.com."

[ Many news junkies already feel the same way, but when the person expressing concern about the state of the 24-hour TV news network is Time Warner CEO Richard Parsons, the guy who ultimately runs both properties, it's pretty telling. ]

[ "We're all pretty convinced that news doesn't break on TV anymore," said Eric Bader, senior VP-managing director of digital connections at MediaVest. "Almost everybody across pretty much every economic and age demographic learns of breaking news online, increasingly on mobile." ]

Hear that Peter Mansbridge and Paula Todd ?? The fraud that passes for TV "news" has been exposed.

In my case, it was exposed by comparison shopping. sda or cbc

My wife and I had a discussion with our Pediatrician after our second son was diagnosed with an Autism Spectrum Disorder. We and the doctor agreed that there was no proof that the vaccinations caused Autism. There was a study done in Sweden or Norway, where 20% of the population did not receive vacinations, and 80% did. The study showed that the rates of Autism were identical between these two groups. My wife then asked if the study looked at whether the vaccinations increased the SEVERITY of the Autism.

This completely stumped the Doctor. Apparently this has not yet been studied. So the Vaccination theory has not been Debunked. It hasn't been exhaustively studied yet.

Ron- I'd suggest the following slogan for Fred Thompson, as relates to his counterterrorist bent: Fred Thompson: If looks could kill...

Yep. America needs a genuine, authentic tough guy, not a "kinder, gentler, compassionate conservative" to stare down her enemies and be prepared to order the pressing of the Big Red Button if necessary... or whatever else it takes.

America has had enough nonsense already. It's go time.

Re: The Atlantic Accord debate - some facts that go beyond rhetoric and political opportunistic spin:

At least we should be informed before taking sides don't you think?

http://www.mrdconservative.com/equal_how_here.htm

Now for something completely uncontraversial, political, or related to Paris Hilton:

www.elbruz.org/islands/Islands%20and%20Lakes.htm

Isn't curiosity and trivia wonderful?

Four bureaucrats ordered to appear or face contempt
[...]

"The members of the Commons committee on ethics and access to information issued the formal summons after they were brushed off by Leonard Edwards, deputy minister of Foreign Affairs." (canoe news)

Re: Is this the above Leonard Edwards: The Saskatchewan mafia? ....

November 25, 1997 No. 197

DIPLOMATIC APPOINTMENT

Foreign Affairs Minister Lloyd Axworthy announces the appointment of Leonard J. Edwards as Ambassador to Japan.

Biographical Note

Leonard J. Edwards (BA, University of Saskatchewan, 1967; MA [History], University of Saskatchewan, 1969) joined the Department of External Affairs in 1969. ...-
http://w01.international.gc.ca/minpub/PublicationContentOnly.asp?publication_id=376228&Language=E&MODE=CONTENTONLY&Local=False

...this explains a lot about women...

http://sigmundcarlandalfred.wordpress.com/2007/04/22/

Want something? Demand it from your *employee MP* [not handouts!]

Garth is just one of my employees.

Garth, Here*s a Test for you.

Light a fire somewhere and promote some battery or bio-fuel, *Made in Canada* cars, trucks and motorcycles.

China is selling EV motorbikes here like hotcakes. I want a Bombardiere EV car or bike, not a China made Scooterteq.

ME Views

You said; **I have no strong views on the Middle East**

I say, Not possible.

Opec is beginning to squirm.

The UK has discovered electric cars and lorries / trucks.

Brazil is 80% [cane based] biofuels, 20% gas and diesel.

France makes and uses compressed air taxis for Paris and exports thousands to India.

California firm ships 10,000 small electric vehicles for postal service in France. If Opec clams up, the French still get bills to pay.
http://BendGovernment.blogspot.com

Prius, [ only one of many hybrid brands], passes the Million units sold mark.

Will all these alternate auto powering modes tend to defang Iran and Islamofascists? You bet!

Do you and I want to get about town free of gas and diesel extortion and their stinking exhausts? You bet!

Not too keen on any Iranian Shia lifestyle enforced by religious police beatings either.

We all have strong views about the Middle East. Yes?

TonyGuitar.blogspot.com

OK, Harper has no EV and Bio vehicle road-tax collection Kiosks set up yet.

Details, details, let*s get on with it! = TG

My daughter was diagnosed with autism at age 3 by a university associated expert. Another expert at another hospital didn't agree. Over time (she is 9 now) it became apparent that my daughter is not autistic, but is extremely shy and a bit quirky with her personality,but fundamentally not different than myself.

At the time, though, we were devastated of course. I and my spouse both looked extensively into the whole vaccination thing. That data is extremely weak scientifically, and there is much better data against the connection between vaccinations and autism.

People, myself included, always want a "reason why", and emotionally I totally understand that, but when dealing with science it is important to be dispassionate when interpreting the data, or you can see pretty much whatever you want to see, whether it's really there or not.

from CBCpravda- allowed the opposition to paint them corrupt, 40 million stolen , and this is how they report it. CBCpravda "All liberal all the time"

hey pravda - they were corrupt and they stole the money.

The sponsorship program, now defunct, was designed to raise the federal government's profile in the wake of the 1995 sovereignty referendum in Quebec. Over its life, Liberal-friendly ad firms in that province took in millions of taxpayers' dollars.

Some of the money ended up in the pockets of high-ranking Liberal organizers in Quebec, allowing the opposition to paint the government of former prime minister Jean Chrétien as corrupt

Donald "Gin Rummy" Rumsfeld and other's of his ilk, who head pharmacological conglomerations, are responsible for much of the suffering. Testing of unproven vacines on unsuspecting test subjects has been a disaster for the worlds poor.

Lorraine 12:47 PM, your link

http://www.mrdconservative.com/equal_how_here.htm

is very informative. It is very telling why Danny and Rodney use the bombast and inuendo method. Not a leg to stand on.

Jack has the last word here. Say, Amen.
...-

Galloway beaten in sectarian attack

Police are investigating claims that George Galloway, the Respect MP, was kicked and taunted during a sectarian attack. The politician said the incident happened at Glasgow Airport on Sunday, after he was threatened on a flight from London.

He believes a group of men returning from an Orange Walk in London targeted him because he is a Celtic supporter.

Mr Galloway, who was travelling to give a talk at the Royal Concert Hall, said: “There was one guy I would describe as a ringleader who said, ‘I don’t like your radio talk, I don’t like your newspaper talk, I have a religious duty to knock you down’ .”

[…]

o Note: For those unfamiliar with George Galloway Wikepedia will refresh your memory. I’m very surprised somebody hasn’t put his lights out long ago. ...-
http://www.jacksnewswatch.info/

Aaron, I think the Soviet Union collapsed before autism became the maladie du jour.

As for anon31, I come from the time when the parents usded to send the kids around to play with little Jimmy next door if he had Measles, german measle, chicken pox, mumps, etc.

I reckon on or two in a few hundred thousand may have died as a result. But it was immunization on a grand scale.

So, from what I've been reading, pharaceutical companies are evil because:
- they spend billions on research that may or may not work out,
- when they do find something and try to recoup their research money before the clone makers flood the market, they are bad,
- the fact that everything is not 100% guarranteed to cure/fix 100% of the people, they are trying to kill people,
- by doing extensive trials they are letting people die waiting, and,
- they have to prove all the new meds are safe without testing on animals or humans lest PETA gets upset.

Sounds like capitalism meets socialism to me. It is like that one person in a bunch that wearing the seatbelt actually made their injuries worse or fatal. Life is a crap shoot. Deal with it.