Possible Airport Attack In Glasgow (UPDATED)

Four men "of Asian appearance" have been arrested.

Wankers.

I'll wager it was no accident the Brit "homeland security" MSM are spinning it as a "terrorist" act.....bring on the fully surveilled anthill.

Speaking of Britain's evolving surveillance society, "Brazil" was on last night ...couldn't help but think how prophetic some of the more unseemly Bureaucratic tyranny was....also the seeing denial of the citizens who went on with life's trivial pursuits while bombs exploded hourly and police dragged off "terror" suspects at every scene.

"I'll wager it was no accident the Brit "homeland security" MSM are spinning it as a "terrorist" act....."

And how exactly should thwarted car-bombings be spun?

Wanker.

"I'll wager it was no accident the Brit "homeland security" MSM are spinning it as a "terrorist" act....."

And how exactly should thwarted car-bombings be spun?

Wanker.

You know who I blame? The idiot neoconservatives who want to invade every Islamic country while turning a blind eye to mass Muslim immigration. STOP MUSLIM IMMIGRATION NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LEts see how the reports play out but the more disturbing part, as if trying to ram a car into the airport isnt disturbing enough, are reports that they were either throwing or going to be throwing molotov cocktails around....

Sometime this decade there will be expulsions from Europe of "asians" not advocating jsut saying it will happen. Taking bets now on the first country

Italy
Germany
France
Netherlands
UK

PLace your bets now

JP raises a point before expulsions you will see a strangling of muslim immigration....

Message to "Asians:" we're going to continue "crusading" against Islamic countries until all these terrorist attacks in western countries come to a halt.

Root causes, you know. Tolerate my viewpoint.

Hearing about this, I consider the possibility of it happening here at Comox airport.

We have a beautiful new air terminal here and it is part of a large military air complex. The airfield runways are circled by the usual chainlink fence, yet the terminal has no driving barrier.

Low profile decorative cement bullards are not too expensive and a string of those along the front of the terminal whould make a 4 wheeled bomb useless.

Entrance ways for passengers and luggage can allow a motorized wheelchair threat through but the line of concrete bullards still makes sense. = TG

Hey hammerdanL the only wankers here are government worshiping idiots wo believe everything they're told....now chew on your media gruel and go back to your anthill.

Missasauga Matt said: "Message to "Asians:" we're going to continue "crusading" against Islamic countries until all these terrorist attacks in western countries come to a halt."

Before we storm off to battle global terrorism...maybe we couls stop off in Caledonia and Deseronto and round up some openly avoowed terrorists who have publicly ststed they are in armed revolt against Canada....but maybe that's not sexy for MSM to spin.

wlmr - are you suggesting that the Glasgow Airport carbomb hasn't happened? You're right in step with CBC and CTV! They aren't reporting it.

CTV is reporting the weather and a tornado; CBC is reporting the funerals of the three soldiers lost last week in Afghanistan - and the weather.
Not a word, a whisper, about Glasgow. Canada - the isolate cocooned country, which rejects participation with the rest of the world..

wlmr - the British aren't spinning it as a terrorist act; they aren't spinning it at all. Just the fact - which are a car-as-a-bomb in Glasgow airport, coupled with two cars-as-bombs in London.

Are you also suggesting that the police shouldn't have apprehended the man who jumped out of the Glasgow car???

What's with you? What do you suggest should be done to deal with these actions? Well?

Listening to live eyewitness reports on BBC. According to sveral witnesses, two “asian” men in the car (in the UK that often means muslim appearance). They tried twice to ram the car through the doorway, but got stuck by the security barriers. The passenger then tried to throw a lit molotov coctail but apparently dropped it instead, leading to the fire in the car.

that was four men of SOUTH Asian appearance.

BBC code for mulsims ??

JP “You know who I blame? The idiot neoconservatives who want to invade every Islamic country while turning a blind eye to mass Muslim immigration. STOP MUSLIM IMMIGRATION NOW”

How? The US can’t even stop the Mexicans. The world’s population is continuing to explode and you’re right in the sense that the 3rd world is moving to the First world. But I think the only way to stop it is in fact the neocon way ..democratization of the world. Meanwhile, give war a chance.

The 3rd world needs to democratize, get educated and consequently have fewer kids who then decide to stay in their homeland. We have to somehow change the 3rd world.

As it is, oil is propping up bad leadership in Mexico and the ME, without oil those economies would implode. But oil allows the breeding to continue in spite of failed-state economies and the emigration to head toward the West.

You suggest the neocons want to invade every country. Unfortunately, they aren’t doing that because there’s just too many of them that need invading.

But The West, does need to democratize them. Until the West can see that it’s in our interest to invest the necessary resources to modernize the 3rd world to keep them off our shores, we aren’t going to get anywhere.

[quote]that was four men of SOUTH Asian appearance.

BBC code for mulsims ??[/quote]

It's generic euro-speak for almost anyone appearing to be East Indian, Pakistani, Afghani, etc., etc.

A witness on BBC says one of the "asian" men was shouting "Allah" as he was fighting with the police...

Spanish Airport Closed After Bomb Threat

news.google.ca/news?hl=en&ned=ca&ie=UTF-8&ncl=1117724723

Item: Germany police say that several of the recent terrorist 'graduates' shown in an Al Quaida propaganda film are believed to already be in Germany. Canada was one of the destinations named in the film (which was imo too promptly dissed by the socalled 'experts'.)
So a new Prime Minister in England and carbombs in London. The Queen visits Scotland and Glasgow airport gets bombed. I wonder what reassurances the 'experts' will be able to give us on our 140th birthday if this happens at Pearson Airport (or equally likely for maximum political impact at Ottawa airport) tomorrow?
Are we prepared for such a tragedy? Do we really believe we are magically immune to this?

I have stood at that pick up shelter many times.
I was glad to see the comments from one report that passengers were trying to restrain the driver and passenger not assist them.
They are lucky they did not "put the boot in"

They"put the boot in"
Fixed that for you Ian.

I found the following on a UK news site:

"Strathclyde Police would like to reassure the public that it is unknown at present if this is connected with the incidents in London as inquiries are at an early stage" - Police spokeswoman

Ookaay. How can admitting you don't have a clue be "reassuring"?

nomdeblog,

How is the democratization of Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon and the Palestinian territories going?

I wonder if the neocons ever considered the fact that freedom and democracy are specifically Western ideas, and can't be imposed on the Muslim world. The Islamic world is a collection of backward, tribalistic, low IQ savages for whom life is (per Hobbes) nasty, brutish and short. For their next trick, maybe the neocons will bring constitutional government to a troop of Orang-utans. Why not, it has about as much chance of success.

As for the US not being able to even keep the Mexicans out, blame George W Jerkoff. We're supposed to believe that the nation that split the atom and put a man on the moon can't build a friggin' fence to keep the wetbacks out? Big business and their main cheerleader, The Wall Street Journal, want a permanent caste of semi-slave labor, that's why the fence isn't being built.

The idea that we (Canada, the US, the UK) can't cut off some or all immigration is ludicrous. But no, let's invade Iran, or Syria, or Saudi instead of stopping Muslim immigration. Then there'll be no more terrorism. Nobody believes this BS argument any more. So I'll say it again: Stop Muslim immigration now. And as a corollary, deport (some or all) Muslims living in the West.

WLMR>>"Hey hammerdanL the only wankers here are government worshiping idiots wo believe everything they're told....now chew on your media gruel and go back to your anthill."

Yes, I'm a 'government worshiping idiot' for believing that when a Jeep is driven at speed into the doors of an airport terminal by 'Asian men' who proceed to resist arrest and attempt to detonate the vehicle's contents (yelling 'Allah' all the while) that responsibility belongs to a gang of radical Islamists and not, say, football hooligans or a stag-party got-out-of-hand.

I'll allow you the ad hominem. I did call you a wanker after all. But frankly, if you believe what is hinted at in your initial posting, then you really are quite silly.

The second paragraph of your first post I'll disregard, for simply it makes little sense, and it was the first that got me calling people names.

To recap:

"I'll wager it was no accident the Brit "homeland security" MSM are spinning it as a "terrorist" act.....bring on the fully surveilled anthill."

A) this statement is essentially nonsensical. A news story cannot be 'spun' accidentally. Spin implies the intent to distort.

B) You appear to be suggesting that " Brit "homeland security" MSM " (among whose ranks are to be included the BBC, the Guardian, the Independent and the Morning frigging Star, each of which is reporting yetserday's thwarted terrorist attack as a thwarted terrorist attack) is complicit in a conspiracy to fabricate murderous outrages in order that this anthill's nanny-state overlords might be granted a pretext to, what? Install security cameras on every street corner? Swab every Briton for DNA?

All sounds a bit daft to me. I'd guess that you're suffering from issue monomania, a disease typical of the young and politically unhinged, a preoccupation with a single issue that precludes your understanding of other issues. Hence your hurtling so spectacularly OT in order to deliver an irrelevant swipe at Britain's surveillance culture.

Of course, you know better. Terrorism doesn't exist. The foam-mouthed Islamonazi demonstrators that *I have seen with my own eyes* celebrating the carnage of the 7th of July were but actors briefed by MI5 to freak me out. Today's incident was most likely a false flag operation masterminded by the BBC.

So, enlighten me. You've seen Brazil. Does terrorism exist or not?

I'd be looking to Shawn Brant, it was, after all, a Jeep Cherokee.

nomdeblog at1:51 PM - "The world’s population is continuing to explode"

Sorry to rain on your Malthusian parade, but the rate of growth of the world's population is strongly decelerating, and it’s not merely driven by the “first world” reduction in fecundity.

What is is with the left in that they'll buy into the most ridiculous conspiracy theories and un-substantiated 'world order' plots and internet rumours and the like, but will simply choose to ignore the facts of a simple news item if the story doesn't jive with their groovy little view of the world?

The next thing we'll hear was that the incident was staged by MI5 operatives so the British government can justify more attacks on peace loving muslims around the world.

someone shouts Allah! in an airport, run.

Tenebris, the rate slowing down is not enough to help us. We’re at 6.5 billion now, heading to 9 billion in 2050. Most growth is in hell holes that they’ll want to escape. This is a much bigger problem than the one Gore is talking about. This is the problem that really upsets Americans, for good reason. This is the problem the next election will be fought on not Global warming.

JP

You were doing OK until this “low IQ savages”

Islam is not a species. In any event IQ’s don’t differ. Islam is a socio-political way of life. The same as communism. Can the Russians adapt to capitalism? Can China?
Sure. They already are and they will continue to do so. But it’s a slow, messy process.

We aren’t “imposing” anything on them .We’re removing the tyrants so as to make our world safer from the funding of terrorists acts that the oil rich areas allow these failed states to carry on with.

Islamofascism will fail, all by itself, when they run out of oil, then out of funding. The problem is we can’t wait that long. Because WMDs in the hands of terrorists funded by Islamic tyrants is just too risky.

As to the Mexicans, if you blame Bush you must also blame Clinton and Reagan. The problem is 30 years old. The problem is not going to be stopped by the Oval office. It needs to be stopped inside Mexico. Ditto, Islamofascism needs to be stopped inside the ME.Then they need to build viable economies that employ young people and build a middle class.

“Slave-labour” ??? Are you suggesting that Americans are stopping them from going back to Mexico?

Even if you could cut off the immigration, it won’t matter. It’s already here. Homegrown Terrorism will get funded and recruited by the non-state actors who in turn are funded by Despots. The only way to make the West safe is to stop what some call reverse colonialism that is eking across our borders, it’s only stoppable at the source.

"wlmr - are you suggesting that the Glasgow Airport carbomb hasn't happened? You're right in step with CBC and CTV! They aren't reporting it."

I don't think that's what he's saying at all. I think he's saying that the nanny-statist Brittish government and it's propaganda arm, the BBC, are going to use the event to justify further incursion into people's privacy.

One of the suspects arrested in the SUV has died.

richard evans - I think it's up to wlmr to justify his quite astonishing remarks. Hammerdan has an excellent responst to him.

As for the necessity of surveillance, that's become a reality with the intrusion into our lives of Islamic fascism. We can either put up with this surveillance, or allow the fascists to go about their pathological actions without fear of being caught - either before or after the act.

nomdeblog - excellent response to jp - who indeed, stunned me with his 'low IQ savages' remark. jp- we are all one and the same species; we all have the same IQ average (100). Democracy is a particular mode of governance that is necessary in a multimillion size industrial population.

The problem with the ME is that they are attempting to retain tribalism - which is a political mode functional only in medium size populations (not millions) and in non-industrial economies. Retaining it by force - has led to Islamic fascism.

And Mexico is heavily at fault for the emigration of its lowest class. It is encouraging them to leave, because Mexico is unloading its lower class onto the USA. That means that Mexico doesn't have to provide jobs for them, doesn't have to provide a social infrastructure - of housing, hospitals, schools, etc. Nothing. Who supplies it? The US taxpayer.

And, these illegal immigrants work at low wages, BUT, they don't pay any taxes!! So, they send billions of dollars back to Mexico to support their poor families. Again, Mexico doesn't have to support them, no old age pensions, no needy pensions. Nope - just ship the children off the to the USA - and they'll send money home to all the needy relatives. Mexico doesn't have to support this entire class - of millions and millions of people. They ship them off to the US.

It's the US taxpayer who has to provide the schools, hospitals, housing. And gets no taxes for it from these people. Again - this isn't slave labour. They COULD go home; they don't want to, because MEXICO refuses to set up an economic system to employ and service them!

Who's at fault here? Mexico - which is offloading its lower class onto the USA. Entirely offloading it. Neat tactic.

nomdeblog,

I believe that we share the same overall strategic goals, namely stopping Islamic terrorism. However our tactics for doing so are diametrically opposed; you want to fight them overseas while I want to prevent them from entering the West and deport, at least, the radicals here.

As for calling Muslims low IQ savages, I would advise you to read Richard Lynn's "IQ and the Wealth of Nations", where ample data proves that the average IQs of people in the great swath of nations from Morocco to Indonesia (ie the Muslim world) is 10-15 points lower than the averages in Europe and North America. Russia and China are high IQ societies that should be able to make the jump to first world status, unlike the Muslim world which never will.

You claim that "Islamofascism" will fail when the oil runs out. What you call Islamofascism is the unchangeable Koranic law (Sharia) that orders every facet of every Muslims life. It predates the discovery of Middle Eastern oil by 1300 years so don't expect it to go away, ever.

You are right that the illegal immigration crisis in the US is also the fault of Clinton, Bush Sr. and Reagan. But thinking that we can change the inherent nature of Mexico (another low IQ society) is a neocon/liberal pipedream. Illegal immigration can be stopped by building a double-fence from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific, hugely fining and jailing employers of illegals, and telling the illegals that there will be no amnesty ever, period.

Finally, you seem to think that mass immigration is an unstoppable fact of life, like the tides. Yet somehow Japan and South Korea have managed to survive and thrive with virtually no immigration. In 50 years Japan and S. Korea will still be Japanese and Korean while Europe turns Muslim and America turns Hispanic. Mass immigration can and must be stopped. A theoretical question: If I agree with your wacky neocon scheme to invade and westernize the world, will you agree to close our borders to immigration and deport the radical Muslims within?

One of the suspects arrested in the SUV has died.
Posted by: maryT at June 30, 2007 4:01 PM
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That's too bad. I told my wife about the whole thing and we agreed that the best thing would be for him to live a long life with the constant agony that burns bring.

Oh well, no 72 virgins for you, Akbar.

In addition to spelling "Strathclyde" with a "K" the cretins at CNN have incorrectly reported that a suspect died. The news conference says s/he is alive.

"richard evans - I think it's up to wlmr to justify his quite astonishing remarks. Hammerdan has an excellent responst to him."

Disregard my remark if you wish. Just thought I'd expand your bubble a little by offering a different perspective...

JP,

IQ is just a measurement of how much you know. It has nothing to do with real intelligence. I've managed several engineers from Syria, all the way over to Iran and Pakistan - and they are just as - if not more so - intellegent as us - and they are Muslim - and - they are as happy as hell to be outta there with their families intact. My lead engineer is from Nigeria - he is not at all like American Blacks - and he sure knows what he is doing.

Also, Japan actively inhibits immigration - they are racist.

Also, Also, democracy is for the people by the people. It is not a western thing at all.

The Muslim world is finally being brought into the 21st century (finally) and there is nothing they can do to stop it - they all have cell phones and computers - there will be fighting for quite awhile as religious a-holes and funny flippin' sheiks continue to lose control - but it is happening.

Also, Also, Also, immigration has to do with finding a better future. Immigration stops and even reverses itself when you have a better future in your homeland. Democracy drives this.

“If I agree with your wacky neocon scheme to invade and westernize the world, will you agree to close our borders to immigration and deport the radical Muslims within?”

JP, we could certainly agree on deporting radicals.

My problem is that our borders are not only hopelessly porous but we have people already here that I’ve talked to who I think are capable of turning into a terrorist under certain circumstances. But we won’t know that for sure until they do the act and then it’s too late; like what happened this weekend in the UK or worse. Hence we have to go to the source, the Middle East, to tighten down the global recruiting machine. Then we have to something even more important.

We have to start believing in Canada and setting our own values as being better than those of some distant way of life from bygone centuries. The enemy within isn’t just potential terrorists, it’s the utopian MSM and those that think all cultures are equal. Cultures aren’t. People are. Hence the distortions in the argument about IQ’s.

As Salam Mansur writes on Sunday’s in the Sun (he’s a courageous Muslim whom we need to help us with this problem); he says he left Calcutta to come to Canada for a better life. Therefore, he wonders why we are promoting multiculturalism as if all cultures are equal. He wants to leave his behind.

So let’s stand up for what we are as Canadians and insist on integration and stop the option of immigrants remaining ghettoized like they do in Paris.

Fox News reports that the terrorist in the Strathclyde attack who roasted his chestnuts was wearing a suicide belt which also failed to explode...

ccon,

I would highly recommend the book "IQ and the Wealth of Nations" to you. It shows how the average IQ of a nation closely correlates to that nations per capita GDP. I have no doubt that the individuals you mention are intelligent, however most of their countrymen aren't. That's why Syria, Iran, Pakistan and Nigeria are third world nations.

As for your "racist" slur about the Japanese, I would think that wanting their nation to remain Japanese is hardly racism. It's called national pride, something Canadians and other Westerners used to have.

You claim that democracy is not a Western thing at all. This is completely untrue. Democracy, like Western civilization itself, began in ancient Greece. It was later revived in Britain, from where it spread to continental Europe, the British Empire, and eventually the rest of the world, where it has had mixed success. In the Muslim world it has had almost no success. Post 9/11, the great neocon Islamo-democratization project (in Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon and Palestine) has been an abject failure. Don't confuse modernity (cell phones, computers) with democracy.

Finally, immigration is not an issue decided by the dirt-poor thirld world masses wanting to better their lot. It's decided by us. The Japanese and Koreans have made their choice--they want to remain Japanese and Korean. If Europe and America want to become Muslim and Hispanic respectively, than that's their choice too. But I don't think they do. And if they don't, then they need to stop this unwanted, unneeded third world immigration now, period.

"I don't think that's what he's saying at all. I think he's saying that the nanny-statist Brittish government and it's propaganda arm, the BBC, are going to use the event to justify further incursion into people's privacy."

Please. The BBC, which guards its independence jealously, sits a good distance to the left of the present government.

WLMR appears to believe that the MSM is complicit in a state conspiracy to promote public acceptance of speed cameras by staging phoney terror attacks. As, it seems, do you.

I won't mention the name of the nice little airport I fly out of regulary ( into the Hell that is JFK) but there are a LOT of smaller airports that are not "with the program" when it comes to security.

Not even the heavy reinforced "decorative planters" that are attached to concrete foundation and would shrug off a car.

I'm sure a LOT of small airports in the US and canada ( and europe) are pretty soft targets. Nevermind the train stations.

An example of the “enemy within” is also related to our inability to stand up for Canada and is mentioned here by Andrew Coyne in his column today:

“When the premiers cannot bring themselves to accept one of the basic distinguishing features of a country, the free circulation of goods and services within its borders, it is not because they are rank protectionists -- though they are that. It is because, deep down, they do not recognize each other as countrymen.”

If we could fix this problem of self-identity we’d go a long ways to fixing immigration and in turn reducing the terrorists’ ability to recruit and train “homegrowns”.

Canadians could start by demanding political maturity from their Premiers on July 1st.

Great read. Was just thinking that England has reported that there are 2000 or so violence prone Muslims under surveilance and approximately 30 terrorist plots in progress as we speak.

I guess that they've got themselves into a mess with Paki nut bars in abundance and need all the nasty intrusions into personal privacy that they can get.

jp- that book is absolute rubbish. There is no such thing as a 'national IQ'!!!

We are ONE species. The IQ of our species is the same, average, all over the globe. Do you seriously think that a nation, which is a POLITICAL, non-biological system, has any effect on the BIOLOGICAL properties of our species? That would be like saying that having paper money creates a population with blue eyes.
Do you think that if you move from one nation to another - that your IQ increases or decreases? What absolute nonsense.

That book is an ignorant tract. I believe that it says that some nations in Africa, for example, have 'average IQ's of in the 60's and 70's. jp - get with it. That would mean that the population were all 'retarded'; how on earth could they have survived up to now?

Again - a political entity can't be correlated with a biological entity. A nation is a political system, defined, arbitrarily, by humans. An IQ is a biological property - and is the SAME all over the world. The average IQ of our species is 100, all over the world. Equally, it can't be correlated with the GDP! That's an economic value - and has no correlation to a biological property.

Furthermore, the ME operates in a tribal political mode; that was OK in a non-industrial economy, but, is dysfunctional in an industrial economy. They have to change. It took the West over 400 years to move out of its own tribal political mode (feudalism) - and these were very bloody years as the old system fought to retain power. So- are you going to say that because the West took over 400 years to move itself out of tribalism - that it had a 'low IQ'?

As for the population of Japan and Korea not being heavy current immigrants - you are ignoring that they were, at one time. Why not now? Becuase their nations have modernized, industrialized and moved into democracy.

"Japan actively inhibits immigration - they are racists"

If the Japanese want to stay Japanese that might very well mean they are racists. But so what?

Even the UN charter on human rights states that every people have a right to self determination. To me, that would mean that the English shouldn't be the persecuted minority in their own country.

If people were not inherently racists we would all be the same colour, all speak the same language and there would be no such things as countries. Every culture has a different way of looking at the world and the world would be a lot nicer more peaceful place if all the different cultures only lived amongst themselves and governed themselves.

Do you think that all the British and Canadian soldiers who dies in WWII would have bothered if they saw what their countries were going to be like for their grandchildren?I know my grandfather wouldn't have fought for Muslim lords.

I know that the world is changing and there is really not a lot we can do about it, but European civilization is dead. The politicians who allowed the mass immigration of aliens gave away what was not theirs to give away. hundreds of years from now there will be no more left of European civilization than there is of Roman, or Greek, or Egyptian civilization. If a little bit of racism could have prevented that it would have been a good thing. My children and grandchildren are going to have to fight the biggest wars the world has ever seen, or be slaves, or probably both.

You have to wonder how it happened. There was a British government report after WWII which basically said that the population on Britain was going to decrease, and the only way they could stay a world power was to increase it. They looked at doing this through immigration. They thought that this would work, if they could entice people of British descent to go back to the mother country, but if they had to take immigration from other places the social cost would not be worth it. Somehow the mass third world immigration happened, and the social costs are proving not to be worth it.

To paraphrase Enoch Powell, one of the great racists that the Brits probably wish they had listened to, "the streets will run with blood"

hammerdan: "Install security cameras on every street corner?"

You need to educate yourself. Britain has more closed circuit cameras (CCTV) than any country in Europe or North America (China might have more).

According to the BBC, there are 4.2 million CCTV's in Britain, one for approximately 14 citizens. However, they admit not all are used for surveillance; some are corporate security, some are used by companies to judge employee productivity, etc. Nonetheless, it is estimated that police could track anyone's movements through central London ("the City"). Police have narrowed all streets entering into the City so that they can record the license numbers of all cars and trucks entering or leaving the City. Some critics feel Britain is creeping towards Orwell's Big Brother surveillance society.

ET,

You are wrong about the average IQ of our species being the same everywhere in the world. If you don't like my book choice, I suggest you look up IQ at Wikipedia. Obviously nations don't have IQs, but the people within them do. The national IQ averages of sub-Saharan nations really are about 70. There is a mountain of evidence to back this up, it is literally undisputed. What is disputed is the worth of IQ tests in general, mostly by liberals who don't like the racial implications of the results. East Asians test at about 105, Caucasians about 100, African Americans about 85, sub-Saharan Africans about 70. Ashkenazi (European) Jews test highest of all, in the 110-115 range, while Australian aborigines and Khoisan (Bushman/Hottentot) test lowest in the 50s and 60s. I would urge all SDA readers to look into this fascinating subject and make up your own minds.

As for the Japanese and Koreans, I think you misunderstood my point. I was praising them for their national pride in not allowing mass immigration to swamp their nations, not commenting either way on Japanese or Korean immigration to the West.

mbaron,

Excellent, excellent post!

kevinb - and who has set up the situation where the UK feels the need for these surveillance cameras? It's the Islamic fascists who have created this need. The cowards who attack civilians. Shouldn't the UK have the right to defend itself against such pathological people?