And If This Doesn't Work

Guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people.
and people with knives, rope, candlesticks, poisons, cars, bats, stones.....
It never ceases to amaze me how society focuses on the object used as opposed to the INTENT of the person wielding it.
I'll say it again: The criminal mind thrives on the indulgences society allows them.

Guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people.
and people with knives, rope, candlesticks, poisons, cars, bats, stones.....
It never ceases to amaze me how society focuses on the object used as opposed to the INTENT of the person wielding it.
I'll say it again: The criminal mind thrives on the indulgences society allows them.

why would taxis be exempt?

Jan in Alberta...where have you been? Don't you know that according to leftards,it is the object that kills you,not the nut behind it? People are not responsible for anything,so how can they kill you? Sheeesshhh. Wake up, smell the SO2. And by the way..SO2 doesn't kill you...it is the evil drillers who rape the world for oil/gas who do,all led by Bush/Cheney. Get with the polgram..errr...program. /sarc off

And as an aside....the sheeple of Quebec actually think this is going to help/work. God help us all. I accomplished more yesterday sitting home masturbating than this does.

I'm not sure what the fuss is about.

Murder has been illegal since just about forever.

That's why there are no murders anymore, right?

The law-abiding are always an easy target. Governments, but more particularly, liberal governments show a clear penchant for increasing restrictions on the law-abiding in order to appear to be cracking down on gun crime. It infuriates me to no end.

All laws named after victims suck.

When will we as Canadians stop deing such superfical naive people> When will we stop placating the victims of crime by attacking the innocent and attack the crime/criminal.

Aside from the obvious injustice of scapegoating the average responsible firearms owner for the sins of a mad man (akin to condeming all women as prostitutes because of Heidi Fleiss and curing prostitution by banning the penis)...just what will superficial legislating accomplish?

Well for one it lets liberals off the hook for the way they have endangered society with their weak inability to deal with crime and punishment...fingering innocent minorities ( firearms owners) provides a scapegoat for the sins/failings of the liberal regime/dogma. (much like the national socialist party intelligentsia scapegoated Jews for Germany's problems....which were created by socialist economics and liberal justice systems)

It just depresses me to see another generation of hysteria whippped up by the same fanatical fringe, and another round of poitless placebo legislating which will entrap and criminalize more innocet citizens....like we never learn.

Are we doomed to keep making the same mistakes...allowing emotionally insecure people and malicious hysterics undermine fundamental justice and civility?

When I see the likes of Cherest and Chukier still getting milage out of thouroughly debunked moonbat social theory I fear this nation is doomed to become a Darwin award candidate.

What a bunch of gullible stupid people. This is nothing more than a Camelot law, sounds good, looks good does nothing. This lot is just plain stupid, don't they know all they have to do is elect Mary Poppins Premier and all the wrongs of their little world will disappear, god their dumb.

Kelly asks: "why would taxis be exempt?"

Because in Montreal the mob runs the Taxi buisness. ;-)

I'm sure I'm just preaching to the choir, but it's good to have some solid reference to use in our arguments.

From the criminal code of Canada

Pointing a firearm
87. (1) Every person commits an offence who, without lawful excuse, points a firearm at another person, whether the firearm is loaded or unloaded.

Carrying concealed weapon
90. (1) Every person commits an offence who carries a weapon, a prohibited device or any prohibited ammunition concealed, unless the person is authorized under the Firearms Act to carry it concealed.

Acquisition of firearm without firearms acquisition certificate
(3) Every one who imports or otherwise acquires possession in any manner whatever of a firearm while he is not the holder of a firearms acquisition certificate
(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or
(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

That's just a small sample of the rules, check the rest out here: http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1191038

Another case of politicians preying on the un-educated masses who don't realize that firearms are already very well controlled in this country. It's just that *gasp* the criminals don't really care.

Banning guns around schools worked so well at Virginia Tech., so it should work in Quebec, too. Right?

canuckjack....define "without lawful excuse".

Nice to see Charest's Heros making political hay with the bodies of Canada's dead babies.

The laws are already there. If a person has a handgun on their person in the vicinity of these of these places they are proposing to ban them from, chances are it is already an illegal possesion.

If they are truly serious about doing something, let's have some tougher minimum sentencing....

wlmr says....

Because in Montreal the mob runs the Taxi buisness. ;-)

great line WL, best laugh i've had for awhile thanx.

Oh yes like any bunch of liberal idiots they blame a inanimate object instead of the crinimals i mean no laws are going to prevent some maniac from shooting up a place it will just make their job easier becuase all the persons are disamred just look at VT and the gun free school zones

This isn't about protecting people, or reducing crime, or saving children. This is about various groups with an anti-firearm agenda, who will use any excuse (or manufacture one) to advance the cause.

Like the anti-transfat, anti-poverty, anti-whatevers, their goals are lofty, their motives are noble, and their hearts are pure, and no amount of conniving, backstabbing, misdirection, and outright lying are forbidden to them in their pursuit of truth, justice, and the Canadian way.

Who could possibly stand against rules taking away weapons from everyone, since the weapons are not "needed" and can only be for one purpose. And after we are all eating with airline utensils, and walking everywhere and wearing paper clothing and building mud huts because they also decided that knives are bad, and cars kill more people than guns and knifes together, and certainly clothes can be used to kill and hammers, well, hammers should have been banned long ago, and after we are reduced to grazing in lush meadows with our numbers kept in check by predation, we travel in herds, and are too stupid and weak to even contemplate violence, then their goals will have been fulfilled.

And with guns prohibited on school campuses, anyone who wants to go on a rampage knows there will be no resistance. A better law would have seen professor/teachers *required* to carry a weapon.

about 4,000 people were killed on 9/11 with knives with 2 inch blades.

To be sure, guns are dangerous in most hands, it is a serious dilemma as to how to make it reasonable to be able to own a gun and prevent criminal use of it. There should certainly be a course on gun handling along with a license. License is good, though not overkill as the present registry.
However this is not a problem, only in accident situations.
The trouble with this whole gun legislation is that it solves nothing. It is without a doubt grandstanding by the politicians. As the politicians and everyone who wants to know, knows, the bad guys don’t register their guns. The existing laws concerning the use of guns are not enforced, so then why these politicians go in circles making more laws not to be enforced.
When you think about it, if a bad guy that wants to do harm sees a sign in the sense of “no guns allowed on this property”, is he going to stop and think (if he actually does), I can’t do this here, it is not allowed.
It would be good if there were not guns needed, though that is utopia. What to do?

"about 4,000 people were killed on 9/11 with knives with 2 inch blades.

Posted by: john demerais at June 16, 2007 10:56 AM"

John...just to be persnickity(sp?)...what was that saying about not bringing a knife to a gunfight?

In all seriousness, good point.

.. kill all drug dealers.

Bolshevik makes this misstatement:"To be sure, guns are dangerous in most hands,"

Crap! No more than other dangerous tools and otems are..no more than cars, axes, nitrates, gas, or poison.

There is no rescret to frierarms safety...it starts with responsible people and Canadians are responsible and have been historically...Canadians have ALWAYS had guns and there has never been a problem with it until our governments and keadership became distinctly leftist statist and public trust went out the window.

If the government cannot trust ne with my gun they they can't trust me with my car or house or anything else and when that trust is gone there is really little else for the government to become but a tyrant.

this is NOT about guns...this is about the most fundamental relationship between the citizen and his government...it is about trust and civil justice....it is about the proper function of government being either a trusting servant of the public restrained by constitutional and civil ethos or a depotic nanny.

You DO NOT penalize target shooters or duck hunters for the crimes of madmen any more than you would punish Fathers for the crimes of a rapist.

The day my government no loger trust me with my firearms is the day I can no longer trust them with my taxes or my consent to be governed.

I love my guns.
Signed
men with small penises/muscles and a pathology to kill

If just one of the victims caught up in the Virgina Tech massacre had had a concealed weapon on him, perhaps the count wouldn't have been Lunatic: 1, Innocent Victims: 32. In many states which permit concealed weapons for the purpose of self-protection, banning them on campuses or other areas just defeats the purpose.

This Quebec measure is simply a useless, hollow over-reaction by politicians reacting to the irrational thinking of a vocal minority. It will accomplish nothing to prevent future occurances, indeed just the opposite - it plays right into the lunatics' hands, and will only result in more innocent lives being taken.

WMLR
Guns are dangerous in the hands of most simply because they don't know how to handle these things.
I had to carry one of those Kalishnikovs for two years and even sodiers being instructed not to point and pull the trigger, even when they think the gun is empty, look at the end of a barrel, did so and died. This is apart from criminal having a gun.
On the contrary of this, the target shooters and hunters have a full right to own and use the guns for intended purpose. It is the idiots that should not have them, though you may not know they are idiots until it is too late.

Some other commenters are just so clever, are't they.

Most people don't how how to handle guns properly because they are virtually excluded from access to them and training in their use, by our over-protective, misguided, pandering governments. On the other hand, the criminals and the lunatics make sure that they are well versed on their 'proper use' now , don't they? It is obvious that in the face of mounting crime and massacres committed by lunatics, our governments haven't a clue about how to protect the innocent, but you can count on our legal and judicial systems affording all sorts of protections to the crimianls and murderers.

Geez with all the laws in Quebec, how come all the major crime organizations and all of Canada's political thieves come from there?
Also, the suckers filling the french ATM's with cash on campuses or near schools are now unarmed?

So it's illegal to conceal your weapons
,...but carrying them openly is frowned upon too right?

Great comments from the choir. Amazing how these politicians can enact laws that prove beyond a reasonable doubt how absolutely anal retentive they are. They then demand salary increases because you have to pay better salaries to get the best people. Something very oxymoronic going on in this country!

Justthinkin : "God help us all. I accomplished more yesterday sitting home m..."

Please tell us you are a good looking ex-model of the female persuasion otherwise I'll have to get out the eye bleach.

Another typical Lieberal non-solution solution. It keeps the special interest groups happy while building more basketball courts (or whatever they do in quebec to keep the gang bangers happy).

I LOVE this! A guy goes on a rampage through a school and manages to kill a bunch of people because none of them were armed and he was.

What does the government do? Proposes a law to disarm them MORE. Because it worked so well last time!

If that isn't the very definition of socialist thinking I don't know what is.

Politicians must "do something" and be seen to "do something". As the great statesman Bob Geldorf said about 3rd world aid: "We must do something even if it doesn't work".

And of course they now must stabilize world climate. Sigh.

How tiresome all this is. Confirms my growing malaise -- my sense that politics is beneath our contempt.

On a lighter note: exiting Stanley Park Vancouver entering Vancouver today, I spotted that hilarious sign again: "Vancouver is a nuclear weapons free zone". No really!

"Oh yes like any bunch of liberal idiots they blame a inanimate object instead of the crinimals"
--spurwing plover at June 16, 2007 9:48 AM

I wonder what would have happened if the liberals back on December 7, 1941, had declared war on aviation. It would have made as much sense as what Charest et cie. are doing today.

But Wendy Cukier-than-thou is all for it so it must be good.

"I love my guns.
Signed
men with small penises/muscles and a pathology to kill"

Well joebalonie, I have a gun and I can assure you NOT a small penis. I also have no desire to kill anything.

You, on the other hand, with your penis fixation, probably just want to get your hands on mine.

Horny Toad

"On a lighter note: exiting Stanley Park Vancouver entering Vancouver today, I spotted that hilarious sign again: "Vancouver is a nuclear weapons free zone". No really!"

Would that be the same Vancouver whose city council would have different groups have a little "sing song" before each council meeting. No wonder they made Vancouver a nuclear free zone. Too bad they don;t vote on making it a "crime free zone" or a "drug free zone". But then what would that wonderful mayor do?

Horny Toad

joebaloni:

Your logic is flawed. I have a small penis and also do not own a gun. So there.

Shooting accidents among law abiding leagal shooters are so low that the NFA liability insurance of $5 million can be obtained for $7 or $8 a year.

The reason for allowing firearms in cabs in Quebec seems obvious to me. The vast majority of cabbies (anywhere in Canada) are immigrants. I thought they were expendable. That seems to be the message I am getting. Just food for thought.

This law is so obviously a grab for "hearts and minds" and "apple pie" crap that it should be rejected outright!

Unfortunately the majority of the sheep will bleat and say "Good Job". That is until the government shows up at their doors. How quickly they forget Duplessie.

vl

The only thing I can get from this article is from the photos...something like ...LIBERALS ....we have HAIR

Horny toad, you'll be glad to know Burnaby also is a "nuclear weapons free zone".

I live in Kelowna, where there are sign that say "Drug Free Zone", and except for the two dealers within a block of the signs in my neighbourhood, they'd be right!

wlmr, i have no trust in any government and if they don't trust me well who gives a damn. i used to be able to carry my shot gun and a pocket full of shells to shoot bird, no licence, no certificate of ant sort and if the local police saw me with my gun they waved or said hi on the way by. how have we arrived at our current situation, easy, liberal socialism and no God. oh, joebaloni, yes you are.

is it legal to carry a loaded concealed penis?

Open carry is frowned upon John. Well, except in certain parts of Tarawna.

Some personal commentary:

My father served in the Royal Canadian Navy in the 1950's. During that time, he won a number of cups for shooting (he was also, BTW, an excellent pool player).

If he ever went hunting for real game before I was born, he never spoke of it. Certainly, after I became aware of the world around me, he never went hunting. In fact, he never went target shooting.

Which is why I, and my younger brother, aged 10 and 8 respectively, were amazed one September afternoon at our cottage, when the father at the cottage next door and his son were shooting clay pigeons into the farmer's field out back. Keith and I watched as they would fling up skeet after skeet, and perhaps wing one out of four. After about 15 minutes, my dad ambled out of our place. He stood and watched for a few minutes, and then went over and asked if he might have a few shots. With the shotgun in his hand, he called "Pull" and in a few seconds, the bird disintegrated into dust. "Pull", he said again, with the same result. He did this six times in a row, and then handed the shotgun to its owner. "Very nice shotgun, Grant", he said, and then returned inside. I will never forget the look I exchanged with my brother - "Geez, Dad can do that?!?".

But my dad never encouraged either Keith or I to shoot; he never asked us to go hunting; he never tried to instill a love of shooting in either of us. He did, in later life, own a number of shotguns, most of which were stolen in a break-in of his car (his own carelessness, I admit).

My point - and I do have one - is that the gun control zealots seem to want to paint anyone who owns a gun as a potential crazed murderer or a criminal. My father was neither; he liked shooting just as much as an Olympian biathlete must - a challenge to be met, a test of mind, body, and nerve. He was good at it, and he enjoyed doing it. But the Wendy Cukiers of the world are eager to label him as perverted and wrong. Pfeh.

More evidence of how gun control prevents crime:
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070618/melbourne_gunman_070618/20070618?hub=World