The Job "Canadians Won't Do"

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St. Nicholas of Myra

"A citizen of Patara had lost all his money, and had moreover to support three daughters who could not find husbands because of their poverty; so the wretched man was going to give them over to prostitution. This came to the ears of Nicholas, who thereupon took a bag of gold and, under cover of darkness threw it in at the open window of the man's house. Here was a dowry for the eldest girl and she was soon duly married. At intervals Nicholas did the same for the second and third; at the last time the father was on the watch, recognized his benefactor and overwhelmed him with his gratitude."

Now you know why it is known as Merry Christmas, three girls were saved from indentured sexual servitude. But of course most people won't tell this "Christmas story" because it deals with a messy and nasty reality.

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht BGS, PDP, CFP

Commander in Chief

Frankenstein Battalion

Knecht Rupprecht Division

Hans Corps

1st Saint Nicolaas Army

Army Group “True North”

A lawyer.

Figures.

Indeed it does. It would figure even better if the subject were prostitutes, rather than strippers. The difference between a $250/hour lawyer and a $50/throw prostitute is $200.

Who says liberals don't support women. They will rally to support strippers who are used as slaves, and condem anyone trying to improve the lives of women and girls in Iraq and Afgan. Why do liberals hate women, guess too many of them like boys.

Adler is ridiculous - and an embarrassment when people refer to him as "conservative"

The man's an idiot, and a hypocrite.

I attended the rally he led at the Manitoba Legislative Building calling for Canadians to support the US and send troops to Iraq. Now he never misses a chance to attack the "war-mongers who've gotten us into this mess!"

Like today, interviewing some idiotic Iranian reporter from the LA Times. "If you want to hear the truth I recommend you stick to good sources like the LA Times, Washington Post, NY Times" Adler: "I see, uh huh, yes. Now the Republicans are trying to whip up a war with Iran. Any thoughts?" Iranian: "Well, they are just trying to pander to special interests, Israel Lobby, and so on." Adler: "Oh, yes, I see."

What a fool. This Adler's about as Jewish as my foreskin.

Hmmm. Sure smells like the white slave trade. Economic bondage of the worst sort. No one in Liberal Land, slob slackers at their desks in the immigration division are connecting the dots with Romanian females and their employment endpoint. Figures. It's not their daughters.

But, then, in the liberal playbook, who are we to challenge the Romanians employment, no matter how demeaning, when some immigrant woman is basically sold into sexual slavery. It would be all so conservative, prudish and judgemental.

Let me guess, feminists, made aware of this mess, would be too tied up in getting abortions on demand for these women than to ever join conservatives on principle about the exploitation that is occuring.

Following the lefty multi-culti memes, we are not to judge. Keeping it as superficial as possible, there is never a need for accountability.

The stripping industry out here, in B.C., is mostly controlled by the Hell's Angels, who are just a group of good old boys, who enjoy the camaraderie of motorcycling together, and should in no way be considered a criminal organization.

That some have been accused of operating marijuana grow ops, the byproduct of which they ship to the U.S., and exchange it for cocaine, is just a coincidence.

That several strippers I've met over the years preferred coke as their drug of choice, is also a coincidence.

I assume that the people who run the industry in the rest of Canada, are also
upstanding citizens, and members in good standing of the BBB.

Was the Liberal Government in the 90's completely unaware of the ties between the stripper industry, and persons with questionable business practices?

If so, did they not ever think to consult with the RCMP, who could bring them up to speed on this situation?

I think the one thing that has been glossed over since the Gomery inquiry, is the LPC's ties to organized crime, and the subsequent corruption of the national police force. The MSM have, as usual, done their duty to the Party they admire.

I believe corruption is so firmly entrenched at the Federal government level in Canada, no political leader could ever attempt to uncover it, without being assassinated either in the MSM, or for real, by the friends of former leaders.

But wait a minute, I thought these foreign workers are doing the jobs (pun intended) that Canadians are unwilling or unable to do.

Q: Why can't we ever see a Globe headline entitled: "Opposition parties support sex trafficking and sexual slavery"
A: The media isn't supposed to report on the liberal agenda.

Inside the Cabaret Castel Tina, a Saint-Leonard strip club, Joe LoPresti sat having drinks with a member of the Liberal Parliament.

"Where did you say you were from?" the Liberal minister asked nervously.

"Club Social Consenza here in Montreal," Joe said, squinting his left eye against the trail of cigarette smoke. Up on the stage two Romanian girls simulated lesbian sex acts while performing sensuous gyrations around the pole.

"Where did you say you knew the owner of this club from?" The Liberal politician looked distinctly uncomfortable.

Joe LoPresti waved a dismissive hand, flashing a very expensive diamond pinky ring.

"Ste-Anne-des-Plaines. A lotta good guys get to know each other up there. It's good for business. One hand washes the other."

Joe LoPresti leaned forward and said in a conspiratorial whisper, "We just want you to understand that we like doing favors, and we know how to appreciate someone who's done something for us."

The Liberal member of Parliament replied in a cowed voice, "I wouldn't want anyone to get the impression that in some way organized crime was responsible for all our legislative efforts to bring these Romanian girls to Canada to perform in the erotic entertainment business."

Suddenly, LoPresti's dark eyes grew menacing, and he said in a flat voice, "I'll quote Big Pauli. 'Let me simply say that these are very serious allegations, and everyone should be very careful about accepting or repeating such allegations.' Capiche?"

The Liberal politician looked like he might not be able to get to the men's room in time to relieve himself. LoPresti relieved the tension by reaching across the table and pouring him another drink.

"Look, you guys are friends of ours, and we appreciate what you done. You been a help to the women of Romania. A lot of these girls," a quick gesture at some of the girls wandering around in lingerie, "wouldna had these advantages in life if it hadna been for you guys. Vito said that's why you guys are humanitarians."

"Thank you," said the Liberal nervously, fiddling with his collar. LoPresti looked at an extremely young Romanian girl apparently awaiting her cue, "Cindy! I want you to meet a very important friend of ours."

LoPresti turned to the MP, "You're gonna love her. She's only 15." Then he turned his head once again with a laconic smile and said, "Cindy, take this gentelman in the back room and give him a triple Ceausescu."

Joe grinned at the MP. "That's what we call something that makes you feel like you've died and gone to heaven. He pushed a brown envelope over to the Liberal MP, finished his drink, and rose from the table. "Say hi to the guys back in Ottawa for me."

I wouldn't go so hard on Adler, actually. He did give them a reasonably hard time towards the end of this interview, and pushed the LA Times guy pretty well into territory that allowed him to expose himself for apologist he was.

While I am not big on the idea of solving problems by making it illegal, this makes me wonder if the industry is actually so deep in organized crime that the concept of a ban should be at least floated. Kind of a "clean up or shut up" message to the nudity industry.

Forgive the crass economics about what is actually a very human story but:

Usually, if a service is in high demand (I mean the stripping not the extras) the people who can provide that service are paid highly and treated well and if that is not the case it is generally because there has been a regulatory regime set up that preferentially favors a middleman or other interested party. A situation that gives the employer such influence over the immigrant employee exactly fits the bill and the opposition seem to favor this system since it is the most easily corrupted and therefore, the most beneficial to them.

If anything, it sounds like the industry needs more co-ops where the dancers own the clubs. Maybe I am naive and I certainly don't have much inside information about the industry but I can't help wondering if there would be less abuse if the most crucial employees were in control of both the revenue and the decision making.

As for the "extras" (I assume she meant more than lap-dances which seem to be legal in some parts of the continent), that is a problem older than civilization. No matter how much people want to focus on the John, the fact that there are so many potential Johns and so few "providers" will always force the justice system to pressure the provider rather than the customer since taking a few of them off the street or out of clubs temporarily makes for a temporary drop in the stats which can take the political pressure off. If there is a solution to prostitution it is interesting that no previous society has discovered it.

While I am not big on the idea of solving problems by making it illegal, this makes me wonder if the industry is actually so deep in organized crime that the concept of a ban should be at least floated. Kind of a "clean up or shut up" message to the nudity industry.

Uh huh. Just like Canada "cleaned up" the liquor industry in the 1920s. The way it "cleaned up" the mary jane industry. And "cleaned up" the tobacco smuggling industry. And so on.

The reason why gangsters are so heavily involved in the stripping industry is because it is a kissing cousin of the prostitution industry, and banning prostitution and pimping simply kicked the door wide open for criminal organizations to move in. What's that old slogan that conservatives are always saying? Oh yes - "When procuring prostitutes is criminalized, only criminals will procure prostitutes." Once criminals have saturated the market for ho's, it's a natural for them to want to look at related industries for more revenues.

Another reason why gangsters end up running the strip bars is that their supply is artificially limited by government regulations, so that anyone who can get a license has a local monopoly and can charge almost whatever they want. Since the profits are sky-high the competition is deadly to get those few licenses. You need a lot of muscle, a lot of nerve and very little scruples to run a government-awarded monopoly. (Ask any politician.) It's the same story in every other industry where the government inserts their big, fat, corrupt noses.

Putting even more government restrictions on the titty-bar industry is like a dream come true for gangsters. Dancers will be in shorter supply, so the profits will be even higher than ever for anyone who can get a license and get enough dancers. The greater the difficulty of getting a supply of dancers, and the greater the need for secrecy, the more intimidation and skullduggery will be required to recruit and guard your supply of dancers. The more fearful that dancers are of being deported, for example because they lied on their visa application, the more vulnerable they will be to abuse by the gangsters who put them in the clubs.

But the good news is, after the conservatives give a big boost to criminals in Canada by charging around on their high horse making everything illegal, they can exploit the resulting "crisis" in gangster activity by getting a lot more of their friends on the government payroll as cops, immigration inspectors, prosecutors, etc. Then they can ban more stuff, cause more criminality, hire more of their friends to fight the crime, ... and so on until we're a gangsta nation from sea to sea.

Ugh:

You are forgetting Adscam; the government was behaving like a nation of gangstas already.

Well, ending prohibition sure made the problem of organized crime go away eh?

But you have a point. "Because if kiddie porn is criminalized only criminals will make kiddie porn."

Howzabout Adler interviewing a LAWYER on what lawyers do and don't do? (Personally, I don't think there is anything so sleazy that a lawyer wouldn't make a career out of it.)

Well, ending prohibition sure made the problem of organized crime go away eh?

It did - in the liquour industry. Well not entirely - gangsters still smuggle booze wherever government sets taxes so high that criminality becomes worthwhile.

Organized criminals thrive wherever government has made it impossible for honest people to earn a living. As government wound down the war on liquor and wound up the war on drugs and gambling it was like they gave a big, fat "happy landings" gift to the gangsters.

But you have a point. "Because if kiddie porn is criminalized only criminals will make kiddie porn."

Ha ha. That's very clever. But you're confusing an industry whose victims who are abused as the fundamental purpose of the industry, with other industries in which no unwilling participant is harmed for simply participating in the industry. "If robbing banks is criminalized then only criminals will rob banks." "If punching the daylights out of strangers is criminalized then only criminals will beat the crap out of innocent people on the street." Do you see the difference?

The danger associated with banned entertainment industries stems almost entirely from the fact that they are banned. A drug wholesaler cannot sue a drug dealer who ripped him off, so he kills him instead. Cigarette smugglers beat up other smugglers and rob them because what's the other guy gonna do - complain to the police? The effort to detect drug importation leads the importers to smuggle it in higher concentrations, which leads to overdoses. The furtive, backstreet transactions leave sellers with no accountability to buyers so they can get away with cutting their product with poisonous substitutes. The exact same impulse that led governments to ban marijuana is now being used to promote a war on hamburgers and Oreo cookies. It ain't that hard to see, when you pull away the wool that the media and the government school system has pulled over your eyes.

You seem to be involved with motorcycles, Kate, and breeding dogs. What if some opportunistic governmental weasel starts pumping up people about the dangers of motorcycles? "Gangsters ride bikes, do we really want to allow this pernicious influence on our children to be permitted on city streets?" "Drug dealers always have dangerous dogs so we better start restricting and regulating dog breeders - for the children, of course". Nanny knows best.

I recall, during one not to recent election, a Liberal MP in the Toronto area fast tracking stripper visa's in exchange for volunteer work on her campaign. No wonder the Liberals are opposed, this could potentially erode their base of support.

I'm off topic here but I just gotta say something about the other radio show I heard./ David Kirton (sp?) had a guy from the IPCC on and was fawning all over him. He then opened the phones for awhile. His very leading question was about global warming/climate change, how can you deny it blah blah blah. He got I think one maybe two calls to support him (and one of those was from a loony, even by his standards) and a whole bunch of calls from 'deniers'. The highlight was when 'Kate from Delisle' called. You were awesome Kate! I swear they should have you on as a guest host or for some regular commentary. Gormley gets half of his stuff from SDA some days as it is. If anyone wants to listen they probably have it on archives. Sorry for the OT but it was about a radio show. Just a different show from the topic.

For some reason Ugh can talk out of both sides of his mouth and keep a straight face. Fact is prostitution is not illegal in Canada, just the solicitation and everything else about it.

The fact is that organized crime have business savy and they will always find ways of making money. The Romanian Stripper immigration thing was just something that the lieberals saw as another way of making money, getting votes and finding campaign workers cheap.

the absolute worse outcome of this whole sordid ordeal is in the end it's the hook..er, I mean the stripper and not the legitimate immigrant who gets into the country. no muss no fuss, just sit on my lap dear and meet Mr Happy Liberal, he really wants you in his uh..country

Liberal voters should be happy the Conservatives are stopping foreign strippers from coming here, their daughters will be able to demand higher wages now.

absolutely right philanthropist and they won't be taking our daughters' jobs either!!
obviously you have missed the whole gist of the conversation so just leave gracefully now before you make a bigger arse of yourself.

don't understand ....why girls from canada don't want the job?
they are much superior to the gypsies and looks ....ehe
just just take a look at kate......no comparison!

Fact is prostitution is not illegal in Canada, just the solicitation and everything else about it.

True, except that these Criminal Code sections, as currently framed, continue to leave sex workers vulnerable to violence and abuse. Take street-level prostitution. Since public solicitation is illegal, a sex worker often cannot screen and negotiate with potential clients without first getting into the car. By that time, their safety is already compromised. Similarly, the ongoing criminalization of "bawdy-houses" in Canada prevents sex workers from collectively and voluntarily owning, operating, and working in brothels that are (i) run by sex workers themselves, and (ii) protected like any other business enterprise by the police against violent and disorderly clients.

Human trafficking, pimping, and exploitation should, of course, remain criminalized and prosecuted enthusiastically by authorities. This is an important distinction to make, between willing sex workers and trafficked sex workers. The failure of current laws to do so is one reason why women and men who freely choose to engage in sex work continue to be placed unnecessarily in harm's way.

Kate said: "Well, ending prohibition sure made the problem of organized crime go away eh?"

Prohibition created organized crime to feed the demands of people who had their favorite recreational drug outlawed by a puritanical government. The Mob filled a governemt made market void in the supply chain.

When prohibition ended, they went into big gambling, loan sharking, Unions, drugs and prostitutes as seed captial generators and invested in legit business.

Government depravation of the demand curve under the silly auspices of legislationg against "sin" created the mob syndicates and now its part of the NA corporate community.

The mob is just a universal side effect of screwing with the demand curve...after the fall of the soviet oligarchs it was the black and grey market mafia who ran/run Russia's economic system.

If they are going to pay peelers to work and the feds say it's legal, let's tax the income and get some trade guilds, wage scales and working standards in place to remove the seedy end of the business....drop the puritainism and treat it like any other demand driven market commodity...laws are already in place to protect community standards...you have to go to private cluns and pay to see this so the clientel is 100% voluntary and age specific.

"Joe Lopresti"
Thanks Greg in Dallas

"Lopresti and Gerlando Sciascia were among many charged with heroin trafficking in the famous Pizza Connection case. Authorities alleged that Lopresti and Sciascia shipped 30 kilograms of heroin to Gambino Family mobsters in 1982.

Lopresti, Sciascia, and a Gambino mobster were eventually acquitted. Turncoat mobster Salvatore “The Bull” Gravano would later testify in court that a juror had been paid $10,000 to secure an acquittal for the mobsters. Gerlando Sciascia was found shot to death in New York in March 1999.

One day in April 1992, Lopresti left his home for a meeting in downtown Montreal. It was the last time his family would see him alive. Shortly thereafter, his body was later found wrapped in plastic in the Riviere-des-Prairies district of Montreal. He had been shot once in the head."

How exactly, did this post morph into a debate about making stripping illegal? The issue is the wisdom in enabling the human slave trade by granting work visas to foreign "strippers".

And while the genesis of organized crime may be interesting historical backdrop, it does not negate the flaw in arguing that decriminalizing drugs, prostitition, etc. will magically make criminals go away.

They don't transform themselves into used car dealers just because marijuana is available at your local Esso. They move into new areas - because they have already chosen a lifestyle of high risk, high return.

There are no easy solutions to that, but let's try some meaningful enforcement and penalties, reform of the youth crime enablement system before surrendering our neighborhoods "tax paying" brothels and methertainment centres.

richfisher, I wondered if anyone would pick up on the LoPresti reference.

Club Social Consenza and Castel Tina are also real references, important in the Montreal mob scene.

I understand about the Pizza Connection case. As you know, a huge amount of Canadian mob history is connected with heroin trafficking from Europe through Montreal.

But didn't you say you once knew a guy in Hamilton? You and I can always count on each other knowing where the bodies are buried.

Kate: There are no easy solutions to that, but let's try some meaningful enforcement and penalties, reform of the youth crime enablement system before surrendering our neighborhoods "tax paying" brothels and methertainment centres.

How, exactly, would enacting "meaningful enforcement and penalties" alone discourage the behaviour of someone who's already chosen "a lifestyle of high risk, high return"? That serves only to increase the level of risk, and is a tactic to which, by your own logic, organized criminals are already largely impervious.

I agree that harsher penalties and more vigorous enforcement is needed against the trafficking of humans and "hard" drugs. But tougher laws will have little effect on curbing such activity in the absence of practical-minded reforms of policies towards sex work and drug use (i.e., decriminalization of willing sex work and the sale and consumption of moderate amounts of "soft" drugs). In other words, increase the risk, but also decrease the potential returns of criminal exploitation.

This pragmatic, "four pillars" model works better than a hard-line, "zero tolerance" model. Take the obvious example of the Netherlands, where soft drugs are decriminalized and regulated and where the bulk of enforcement is targeted at the trafficking and sale of hard drugs. Consequently, while things are hardly perfect, the rate of hard drug use is still among the lowest in the Western world, and even the famed coffeeshops of Amsterdam are more often frequented by foreign tourists than by locals. Perhaps the most telling statistic, though, is that the average age of chronic hard drug users is around 40, far higher than elsewhere.

And similarly for sex work. Human trafficking is still definitely a problem, but because prostitution is legal, authorities have a far better grasp of the extent of the problem and where to focus their efforts.