Churchill High School's team leading Gordon Bell High School 2-1 toward the end of the playoff semifinal, the game at Tec Voc High School's field ended abruptly when players on the losing squad became angry at penalty calls and allegedly attacked the lone teenage referee.Police in several cars rushed to the field shortly before 6 p.m. when they were called after the referee ran from virtually the entire Gordon Bell team, witnesses said.
A female Churchill teacher was elbowed in the face by a Gordon Bell player while trying to stop the fracas.
Churchill players alleged they were threatened with violence and even death by members of Gordon Bell.
"As soon as the game ended, the craziness ensued," Graham Blicq, a player for Churchill, said as officers took statements from the official.
Diogo Costa, a referee for an adjacent match on the Wall Street field, said some players appeared to have unspecified "weapons" -- one possibly carrying a pool ball -- as they pursued the official, who was struck a few times and ran to seek protection behind spectators in the bleachers.
[...]
Several Churchill players, whose team won by default, were frightened.
"They were threatening my life so I'm not giving my name out," said one.
but they are just "youths"! let's not jump to conclusions that ethnicity might have been a factor. In other words don't look at the picture. too late...
they are tough. when they have you outnumbered.
This happened at a rugby match when i was i high school. we started wailing on the instigators who hit the ref. Sad to see no one intervened to protect the ref except the cops. No charges will be laid, i have no doubt.
Ah the wonders of 30 years of Trudeau-pian multiculturalism.
ANOTHER 'wonderful' result that appear almost daily now.
Abject failure.
Bill the Liberal Party of Canada for the costs of this failure.
There's something eerily similar between this incident and Old West "rambunctiousness" with respect to the sheriff, if the spaghetti-type Westerns are to be believed.
B wrote:
"Ah the wonders of 30 years of Trudeau-pian multiculturalism.
ANOTHER 'wonderful' result that appear almost daily now.
Abject failure.
Bill the Liberal Party of Canada for the costs of this failure."
You can't be serious, you're blaming this incident on multi-culturism? What rock did you crawl out from under? I suppose the soccer violence in England is perpetrated by ethnics and not the good English lads.
If anything this is an example of the mob mentality that happens so often at large events. What does multi-culturism have to do with the hockey coach that gets strangled or refs that get beat up in minor games all over Canada?
Give your head a shake.
Cummmon guys a little "swarming: of a ref is an easy thing to take...if they weren't playing football they'd be carjacking or crackbanging ;-)
Just let the refs "pack" from now on.
What's the problem? No one self-detonated...
And yes, there are problems with english soccer hooligans but we didn't import any to Canada. I'm sure the liberals would have if they weren't english.
Sleezy post and insinuation.
Sad, really.
You people should not be so afraid of people who look different than you.
Ah ANOTHER Trudeau-pian apologist!
Lets face it "official" (ie. statist) multiculturalism AND "official" bilingualism have been and continue to be abject failures and have cost and continue to cost the country BILLIONS.
Smell the coffee, komrade.
Uhm, charges? Arrests? Slap on the wrist? Stern talking to given?
How about suspension for life from public education eh? How's that sound? AFTER 30 days for assault.
Wow - racism at its finest.
Check this out.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://images.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2/20060529/160_cp_oilers1_060529.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060530/edmonton_police_060530/20060530%3Fhub%3DCanada&h=120&w=160&sz=10&hl=en&start=6&um=1&tbnid=y91YucWIaEs9pM:&tbnh=74&tbnw=98&prev=/images%3Fq%3DHockey%2Briot%2Bedmonton%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-ca
Now what?
"Ah ANOTHER Trudeau-pian apologist!
Lets face it "official" (ie. statist) multiculturalism AND "official" bilingualism have been and continue to be abject failures and have cost and continue to cost the country BILLIONS.
Smell the coffee, komrade."
The post made reference to the "beautiful game", which is meant to take a shot at the worlds most popular game soccer, you "B" have taken it to another level. Smarten up. Having played all sports in school I can tell you that there are morons of all colours who create incidences like these. Tieing this in with PET and multi-culturism is pathetic.
Having played both competitive soccer and hockey I've seen more incidences of ice hockey officials being threatened than soccer officials. Doesn't make it better or worse, it's human nature and nothing more.
Check out the picture.
Tribalism manifests in many forms across the country and usually results in deaths and Billions of tax payer dollars down the drain.
Take a little trip to say Jane and Finch in Toronto and have a look around...
It has NEVER been like this before in Canada and naive leftist "official" policy making idiots are the authors.
"Check out the picture.
Tribalism manifests in many forms across the country and usually results in deaths and Billions of tax payer dollars down the drain.
Take a little trip to say Jane and Finch in Toronto and have a look around...
It has NEVER been like this before in Canada and naive leftist "official" policy making idiots are the authors."
Once again, what does this have to do with a high school game in Winnipeg? Obviously you have your own agenda and nothing of reason I say will change that. I feel very sorry for you....by the way when interest rates go up do you automaically blame the "Jews" and their conspiracies to run the world banks or do you just save your racist comments for the brown people?
Oh as for your Jane and Finch comment, read Lorrie Goldstein great article on that very issue before you speak.
http://www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/Goldstein_Lorrie/2007/05/27/4212043-sun.html
Try to show some originality, disagreeing with you doesn't make one a leftard or commie.... it makes them intelligent.
I suppose the soccer violence in England is perpetrated by ethnics and not the good English lads.
English soccer violence is a problem with the FANS fueled by alcohol not the PLAYERS. Big difference. This is about a team of hooligans with a degenerate sense of sportsmanship.
What does multi-culturism have to do with the hockey coach that gets strangled or refs that get beat up in minor games all over Canada?
Got some links to that "all over Canada" comment? Are you really trying to defend these little punks with it's an everyday occurrence? And that makes it ok?
You need to smarten up.
Build them a basketball court.
The answer to such behaviour is obvious. All of the players should be banned for life and the Gordon Bell team should be banned from competition for one year. Assault charges should be laid against anyone that hit the ref. The school should also suspend all of the players from school for a few days. This would send a message that this type of behaviour will not be tolerated be anyone.
"English soccer violence is a problem with the FANS fueled by alcohol not the PLAYERS. Big difference. This is about a team of hooligans with a degenerate sense of sportsmanship."
Penny I agree with you on this, it's a bunch of hooligans, with no sportsmanship, it has nothing to do with multiculturilism. I used the English Fans mob mentality to illustrate that it is not based on ethnicity.
Got some links to that "all over Canada" comment? Are you really trying to defend these little punks with it's an everyday occurrence? And that makes it ok
I can't believe I have to slag hockey to make my point but you have contracts being signed by parents to stop violence.
Parents may have to sign contracts to control bad behaviour at kids’ games
http://www.cariboo.bc.ca/news/PastOct20/hpvlce.html
Minor hockey league to curb violence with contract
(PEI)
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2002/02/16/hky_violence020216.html
US Example
http://cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/2000/US/07/11/hockey.fight.02/
*shake, shake*
"The answer to such behaviour is obvious. All of the players should be banned for life and the Gordon Bell team should be banned from competition for one year. Assault charges should be laid against anyone that hit the ref. The school should also suspend all of the players from school for a few days. This would send a message that this type of behaviour will not be tolerated be anyone."
Here here!!!
You people should not be so afraid of people who look different than you.
For starters this isn't about looks, it's about behavior. And, yeah, I am fearful of people that behave like that soccer team. So should you be.
You're also making an assumption about other commentor's looks. If you can't see them, it's rather presumptive, isn't it.
NAh, 'robot chicken' is just another leftwing apologist for 1960s Trudeau-pian failed 'liberal holy grail' ideologies like multiculturalism.
These naive types don't like accountability for their wrong headed policies that have been foisted on our country at Great expense.
Just like a real leftliberal who would defend a failed and expensive program like multicultural because it generates votes and the welfare of the country be damned.
"Having played both competitive soccer and hockey I've seen more incidences of ice hockey officials being threatened than soccer officials"
Not that I'm agreeing with what others are posting but lets put some perspective here. I played hockey (more like hackey)with one of the most violent teams that one can imagine, Leo's Boys out of Point Saint Charles in Montreal. Basically, the team consisted of jeuvies who took to the ice when they weren't in the ring boxing.
Long story short, we may have beat the cr*p out of the other team, but we NEVER went after the ref en masse.
They look like muslim youths to me!
Is Kate a racist? Looks like it.
Is Anonymous an idiot? Looks like it.
Wow anon (is that you David Maclean?). I knew that Kate had power, but you assert that not only can she control the news as reported by the staff at the Wpg Sun, but that she can control the photo on the front page too.
She's amazing, eh.
You will of course notice that other than the title of the post, not one word or picture came from her.
Shouldn't you be accusing the Sun of racism, or does that not quite fit in your world-view?
Cheers,
lance
Attacking a referee used to be a pretty serious thing. But not now. Some people think it is outrageous; some people think that people who think attacking a referee is serious is racist. Some people think that public wife beating, public urination, and smoking dope in school yards is outrageous; some people think that people who think that public wife beating, public urination, and smoking dope in school yards is outrageous is racist.
So, when robot chicken finds his/her/its self in the new reality, we can only smile and say 'we told you so'. Lucky robot chicken.
And the tax payers of Canada continue foot the bill for their wooly-headed idiocy!
I was down in the 'peg awhile ago, and a teenage nephew of mine recounted a similar incident: he attends a very disciplined private school, and they were playing an inner city public school. Things were not going well for one of the teams, and a little riot began. Fortunately, one of the teams had some big husky dads as spectators, and things got cooled down before too much blood was spilt.
Guilt was NOT equal. Guess the team at fault...
...and you are now either naive, or a "racist" (in the view of some of you less thoughful people).
It's about responsibility, maturity, and civilized behaviour. These are qualities that need to be trained into children. Schools can either help or hinder. General public school policies and societal mindset mitigates against these qualities.
I ran into the Sun cover waiting for my dinner in a Winnipeg restaurant last weekend, and it was all over radio. Other reports mention a pool ball in a sock being used as a weapon.
That indicates premeditation.
Yet, when I returned home, I saw nearly no mention of the incident on Google news outside the local area.
Is there anyone who believes that had a team attacked a ref using weapons in a hockey rink in SW Alberta and issued death threats towards competing players, that it wouldn't have made national headlines?
robotchicken, has some unanswered direct questions posed by me which in typical airhead troll mode he has been blithely skated around.
I'm still waiting on the links to the refs beaten up "all over Canada".
When the little twerp visits again would anyone be so kind as to remind him that he has a piece of unfinished business if he wants to be taken seriously.
Anyone else remember the attack on the referee done by the University of Moncton's ice hockey team several years ago after they lost a playoff game? How it made national news?
Will this story get the same treatment I wonder?
Hi Penny, I'm sure you missed me, but here is what I said; "What does multi-culturism have to do with the hockey coach that gets strangled or refs that get beat up in minor games all over Canada?"
I wasnt' trying to illustrate that hockey players themselves are attacking referees as much it is fans, however, since you want comfirmation that this does in fact happen, here you go:
Hockey player faces charges in Sask. referee attack
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/saskatchewan/story/2007/02/20/referee-attacked.html
NHL attacks on officials (notice some go back to the 20's)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_in_ice_hockey#Attacks_on_officials
National Association of Sports Officials (this site shows that no group or sport are immune to violent acts)
http://www.naso.org/sportsmanship/badsports.html
Canada (Hockey) – A punch thrown by an adult hockey player after a Jan. 13 recreational game at Montreal West Arena resulted in a broken nose for a referee. Hockey player Scott Leduc allegedly struck referee Jeremy Rosenfield, 22, when he came out of the locker room following the game. Rosenfield had to be taken to the hospital, and filed a complaint with the police the next day. According to Joe Raie, head of the adult league, Leduc was immediately expelled from the league as a result of his actions. (January 2002)
Now that I've provided evidence of attacks in Canada, please tell me what this incident has to do with multi-cultrulism? I am not a proponent of multi-culturalism however I'm curious why the issue isn't young offenders or school security, why multi-culturalism.
I await your reply.
"Attacking a referee used to be a pretty serious thing. But not now. Some people think it is outrageous; some people think that people who think attacking a referee is serious is racist. Some people think that public wife beating, public urination, and smoking dope in school yards is outrageous; some people think that people who think that public wife beating, public urination, and smoking dope in school yards is outrageous is racist.
So, when robot chicken finds his/her/its self in the new reality, we can only smile and say 'we told you so'. Lucky robot chicken."
Fenris Badwulf
Please tie all this to multi-culturalism for me, It's all I ask. If this is an issue re: youth violence, gang activity, etc. then I am in full agreement, as posted by someone else, these individuals should be arrested and expelled from school not be held up as the poster of why having people of different enthnicity poputlate Canada.
As for attacking a referee, of course it's still a serious matter but the most famous incident of all occured in MTL with Henri Richard, and he didn't serve time in jail and was only suspended from the rest of the playoffs; which caused rioting and death threats on NHL commissioner at the time. But that serious offense is now part of Canadian lore.
"Attacking a referee used to be a pretty serious thing. But not now. Some people think it is outrageous; some people think that people who think attacking a referee is serious is racist. Some people think that public wife beating, public urination, and smoking dope in school yards is outrageous; some people think that people who think that public wife beating, public urination, and smoking dope in school yards is outrageous is racist.
So, when robot chicken finds his/her/its self in the new reality, we can only smile and say 'we told you so'. Lucky robot chicken."
Fenris Badwulf
Please tie all this to multi-culturalism for me, It's all I ask. If this is an issue re: youth violence, gang activity, etc. then I am in full agreement, as posted by someone else, these individuals should be arrested and expelled from school not be held up as the poster of why having people of different enthnicity poputlate Canada.
As for attacking a referee, of course it's still a serious matter but the most famous incident of all occured in MTL with Henri Richard, and he didn't serve time in jail and was only suspended from the rest of the playoffs; which caused rioting and death threats on NHL commissioner at the time. But that serious offense is now part of Canadian lore.
Race does not cause racism, culture does.
NAh, 'robot chicken' is just another leftwing apologist for 1960s Trudeau-pian failed 'liberal holy grail' ideologies like multiculturalism.
These naive types don't like accountability for their wrong headed policies that have been foisted on our country at Great expense.
Just like a real leftliberal who would defend a failed and expensive program like multicultural because it generates votes and the welfare of the country be damned.
Why am I leftwing? Because I disagree with you? Interesting.....eventhough I read this blog religiousy for opinions from the right (not white) point of view.
Nowhere have I defended multi-culturalism however you obviously have an agenda that you will spout off at any opportunity. This article is what it is, punk kids who acted like a gang of thugs (who knows maybe there were white kids on the team, we don't know) so why go there "B"? Why?
Interesting - a few hours ago I made a comment with a lnk to articles about the riots in Edmonton when the Oilers were in the finals.
Funny it didn't make it through...Point is the only folks I saw in pics of that riot were of European descent.
Hmmmmmm.
The "multicultural" angle is not to say that people from other cultures are necessarily going to cause violence and lawlessness, but that the establishment (schools, government) are more willing to excuse the behaviour due to "cultural misunderstandings." No one wants to discipline these kids because they don't want to be seen as foisting some "eurocentric" values onto them - you know, values like rationality and reason. Believe me, attacking an unarmed teenager does not happen spontaneously - these kids have been taught that their violence is acceptable (it's just a "different way" of dealing with problems), that it's never their fault (dey's only like dis 'cause der daddy done left 'em), and that if the victim fights back, he'll be punished just as severely as the instigator.
To borrow an idea from Ayn Rand's "The Cult of Moral Grayness," people are too afraid to label their actions as good or bad, and this is what results from it. I witnessed this first hand in my school days - kids who were excused from, and even given special priveleges on account of, anti-social behaviour simply because "their culture is different from ours." Last time I checked, threats and violence were pretty much reprehensible no matter where you were from. (Unless it's against women or the unbelievers, I guess)
"The ref wasn't being fair to us." Translation: we aren't good enough to win on our own unless we break the rules, and he should have let us do it.
Also: yeah, these inner-city kids are pretty tough when they're in a group or armed, aren't they? But who can blame them, really? The government teaches you that stealing from the un-armed citizenry is okay, and if they refuse they are to be met with the utmost force - especially if they have the audacity to voice an opinion contrary to your position. Thug life, yo.
Does it bother anyone else that THE ENTIRE TEAM thought that this was an acceptable course of action? Why was there not ONE dissident voice among them? Why did the other team just let them swarm a referee? What values must you hold when think that a justifiable response to being red-carded is to beat the hell out of an unarmed teenager?
"The ref wasn't being fair to us." Translation: we aren't good enough to win on our own unless we break the rules, and he should have let us do it."
Perfect.
Credo of the Left:
“When I am weaker than you, I ask you for my rights, for that is your way.”
”When I am stronger than you, I take away your rights, for that is my way.”
Roadblock the Unsightly, you make some good points and I agree with you on some issues, the issue should center around why these kids first reaction is violence.....however, one thing that I must add to this discussion is from a friend of mine who's brother went to that school and described it as being an "ugly place....with low income and immigrant kids....some white, a lot of aboriginals and some blacks" The first word he used to describe it was poor, and it appears that poor is not coloured blind, and doesn't discriminate.... Coming from the parents of immigrants I can tell you that Canada is athe greatest place to live, she gives you the opportunity to be whatever you want to be; but she can only do so much, in the end it's up to you to determine your role in society, obviously these kids are going down the wrong path and no school or government funded program can help that. The answer relies on parents teaching right from wrong and we can all agree that this was wrong.
"Roadblock the Unsightly, you make some good points and I agree with you on some issues, the issue should center around why these kids first reaction is violence.....however, one thing that I must add to this discussion is from a friend of mine who's brother went to that school and described it as being an "ugly place....with low income and immigrant kids....some white, a lot of aboriginals and some blacks" The first word he used to describe it was poor, and it appears that poor is not coloured blind, and doesn't discriminate.... Coming from the parents of immigrants I can tell you that Canada is athe greatest place to live, she gives you the opportunity to be whatever you want to be; but she can only do so much, in the end it's up to you to determine your role in society, obviously these kids are going down the wrong path and no school or government funded program can help that. The answer relies on parents teaching right from wrong and we can all agree that this was wrong."
Absolutely. But I think we can both agree that it's easier to determine what is right and what is wrong when you don't have a thousand different voices telling you that it doesn't matter, especially given that the poor background of many of these students necessitates that the school is more influential than the parents. If it sounded like I was just blaming the schools and other sources for teaching the kids that violence is acceptability, I wasn't - parents are definitely included in the list of the irresponsible. And I don't just want to blame "immigrant culture," either, I want to extend that to create a far more "liberal" (heh) definition of culture to include homelife as well - like I said before, I encountered kids who were given free passes to behave as they pleased, and this was not just because they were from outside of canada, but also because they came from poor backgrounds with almost non-existent parental influence. There needs to be some absolute morality given to these kids, no matter who gives it to them.
Well said Roadblock.
robotchicken - your links don't quite cover your hyperbole of refs being beaten up "all over Canada" implying no big deal. If that's the best you can do to backtrack, it's a pathetic effort.
...please tell me what this incident has to do with multi-cultrulism?
Perhaps you ought to pose that question to someone that make that mad that connection. See anywhere that I said that?
No, you don't. As long as you want to throw stuff off of the seat of your pants out there as some voice of moral authority, I'll be glad to hold your feet to the fire.
Ooops, I couldn't catch that one in time, let's try this sentence instead:
Perhaps you ought to pose that question to someone that made that connection. See anywhere that I said that?
Penny, why do you bother me? Seriously, you want links I give you links, you say they're not good enough, how can I retort that? I ask you a question you refuse to answer, seriously either participate in a rationale discussion or don't.
I explained that there is violence surronding not only soccer but in our national game as well, in fact I provide a website listing attacks on all official (this means it's common throughout the world) I gave you examples from men's league to minor hockey to the NHL yet you seem to be satisfied. Think what you want, your opinion is irrelevant at this point in the discussion.
"Perhaps you ought to pose that question to someone that made that connection. See anywhere that I said that?"
I know you didn't say it, but you took a portion of my answer that I was responding to the person who did, and then challenged me on it. So judging by your answer you are in agreement that being mult-cultural has nothing to do with this attack of a soccer official in Winnipeg? If so, then let it go. But how strange that you attack me instead of "B" regarding violence against officials in hockey (which have been mostly perpetrated by parents and fans)than challenge his assertions that this is a clear example of why multi-cultralism doesn't work. This a criminal act and should be treated as such.
If you're going to hold my feet to the fire, massage them too.
This took place in Winnipeg and the friends that I have spoken with there say the same thing; it's not the ethnicity of the individual it's the fact that the court system is lax and won't punish the committers of these crimes. Apparently it's getting bad there, high rates of violent crimes, car-jackings, muggings, assaults, etc., and they're being treated with kid gloves. Why not act this way when you can get away with it? Serious looks at the Young Offenders Act and a "three strike" policy would work (or less strikes)
"robotchicken", go put up a Roadblock and go lay another egg.
I ask you a question you refuse to answer, seriously either participate in a rationale discussion or don't.
What are you, some games playing little idiot? You tried to put words in my mouth in your response to me...."please tell me what this incident has to do with multi-cultrulism?". Period. It was a totally gratuitous and gamey question on your part.
I called you on your ridiculous hyperbole. You were asked to defend it.
I have no intention of having any dialogue with you outside of the scope of what you said and my questions regarding what you said. Trying to enlarge the scope of things is pure subterfuge on your part.
It might be smart for you to get a grip on the drivel that you've put out here, read carefully what others write, and get some boundaries in play.
This isn't your playground.
Is there anyone who believes that had a team attacked a ref using weapons in a hockey rink in SW Alberta and issued death threats towards competing players, that it wouldn't have made national headlines?
Actually, it did happen, last October: 3w.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=17096a99-314a-4c4a-9739-5c6726d21004
Incident occurred on a Sunday evening, made provincial papers by Tuesday, and national papers by Wednesday, after police announced a criminal investigation.
About the same timeline as this incident in Winnipeg, which occurred on a Thursday evening, made provincial papers by Friday, and national papers on Saturday. Actually, this one made national even sooner. Hmmm...