Code-speak from McGuintyland this morning - "Negotiators were also placed on standby."
CWC has resident reports;
9:20 am from resident - "I just came from Hagersville after standing and watching as more and more natives fill the site, and the OPP have not set foot across the entrance to remove anyone. As usual, when you speak to the OPP, they say very little. When native vehicles attempt to enter the main entrance at hwy#6, they are denied access by the OPP, but then simply drive around the back of the construction site and enter from there. They look like they are settling in for a long haul, as the flags get put up and the fires begin to burn. Welcome to Hagerdoniawash!"9:52 am from resident - "I was on my way to work this morning, driving down Main St. in Hagersville (Highway 6). I noticed a number of Ontario Peacekeeper cars parked on the side of the road. Then I saw that a handful of natives had stopped construction on a housing development next to the Norcliffe Retirement home. Almas construction is currently putting in sewers there. There was a small bonfire and the Unity flag. There were about a dozen OPP standing in a line on the sidewalk observing."
A retirement home construction site. That's about right. There's a reason these thugs steer clear of Hells Angels' clubhouses.
Was Jean Chretien not the Minister of Indian Affairs back in the late seventies, early eighties ?? Seem to remember something about him backing a band's right to build a garbage dump on Lake Of The Woods (south of Keneora, ON). It was very near Wpg's water supply intake. Not sure what happened, but I remember the outrage, wondering why Chretien would consider letting this happen.
Did all our present day "troubles" start away back then ?? Just wondering.
Too bad milsurp ammo crates are almost sold out in Canada.
Section 494 of the Criminal Code of Canada covers citizen's arrest for Canada. One can arrest a person found in the act of committing an indictable offence. One can also arrest a person being "freshly pursued" (for example, by the police) if one has grounds to believe that person has committed a criminal offence (whether that crime is an indictable offence or a summary conviction offence).
Paragraph two of the section permits a property owner, or a person authorized by the owner (i.e. a security guard), to make a citizen's arrest of a person found committing a criminal offence (whether indictable or summary conviction) on or to that property. Thus, you could arrest someone you find vandalizing your house.
If you make a citizen's arrest you must deliver the arrested person to a police officer as soon as possible.
The Supreme Court of Canada dealt with the powers of arrest of non-police officers and with the degree of force permitted in a recent case, R. v. Asante-Mensah.
Property owners should excercise their rights if the police & government is going to forsake them.
No negotiations with terrorists! Period. The people of Ontario had better wake up quick! $50 million??? Buy of money, this will not solve anything!
Cretian was minister of indian affairs in 1973 , I had a summer job with the parks department. there were a dozen or so shawiniganites that had been flown in to manitoba to take the jobs like looking after the giant chess board in Riding mtn park , looking after the tennis court, etc etc.
the locals apparently werent capable of doing such high expectation type work.
early patronage appointments .
Jean-Jacque Gellineau? you out there somewhere??
""We are assessing the situation," OPP Commissioner Julian Fantino told Sun Media.
Fantino was in meetings Wednesday morning to determine the next course of action.""
This McSquinty fart catcher is nuzzling Kinsella out for prime position on Dolton's tail pipe brigade...if he was anywhere Wednesday it was a meeting where Dolton was giving him policy orders to supplant upholding the rule of law in the province.
What a pathetic mess the OPP have become...Tey are actually there to safe guard the law breakers!! Positively dystopian....when the McSquinty regime falls there should be a massive organization purge of the OPP complete with arrests and charges for deriliction of duty, pandering, breach of trust and malfeasance.
One of the best expose's of OPP-SN politics ever published...a must read:
http://www.walrusmagazine.com/articles/2007.05-law-life-on-nut-island/8/
My recollection was that after Chretien's defeat by John Turner he returned to do legal work and had an inside track with the Shoal Lake band, because he had been previously Indian Affairs Minister,which involved Winnipeg's water supply.
The scandal at the time was the 100 thousand dollar fee he charged the Shoal Lake Band which Canadian Taxpayers paid.
Reid: you cannot effect citizen's arrest in the presense of a peace officer...that is the issue they will stand there and watch you be assauted or threatened and do nothing...however if you return the abuse you wull be arrested.
This is the dystopian reality Caledonians have lived with for over a year in McSquinty's little Bizzaro world called Onterrible.
What would Janet Reno do?
WLMR: What is your source of information? The way I read CCC is that presence of police is not in any way inhibiting your right to perform a citizen's arrest. Moreso, you are under no obligation to deliver an arrested to the nearest officer - you can go straight to the detachment and dump the focker there.
She'd blow up the old folk's home, Shaken. ~:D
WLM,
I watch and wait but I would hardly call Fantino a McGuinty stooge.
Maybe he has changed but I he was always a pretty strong law and order guy. But a sensible one.
I feel better with him in charge of the OPP rather than the woman who was there before. Fantino doesnt "need" the job, so resigning in protest while not his style, wouldnt be beyond him. And McGuinty knows it.
We will see what happens here. Nobody wants Dudley George again....but nobody wants Oka either. I give it a fairly short time before this comes to a head (finally). Either 6N back off recent moves or the pressure will be escalated.
Moreso, you can arrest a peace officer if you find them committing an offence on your property (the bar fight where a boyfriend flattened an undercover cop who grabbed a girl) or an indictable offence elsewhere.
$1300/day for a friend of Dolton McLiar to 'standby' for negotiations no doubt, again, for nothing - no results required. Which one of his friends gets to cash in this time?
"WLMR: What is your source of information?"
case presedent. Citizen's arrest rights kick in in the absense of a peace officer and extend only until you have contacted one to take charge of the "suspect"....also to engage in the apprehension/subduing of a suspect in the presense of a peace officer you must be asked by said oficer to lend assistance...exeptions go to officially authorized and bonded auxilliary forces like Wakenhutt Brinks etc.
In Caledonia if you made an arrest on a native trespasser as per the CCC you would be charged...many have...the excuse was there was no power of arrest as the police were present ( within 100 feet of the incident.)
Aaron, the cops have been resolutely ignoring all acts of violence and vandalism from the Indians while tossing white guys in jail (without charge incidentally) for putting up a Canadian flag.
Most recently they refused to intervene when a drunk with an AK was raving away over at the DCE, said drunk subsequently shot some guy at the (illegal) Smoke Shop.
I guarantee if you go over to Hagersville today you will see a bunch of cops facing away from the Indians and toward the locals.
Give the AK wielding schmuck, I'm beginning to think the cops may know something we don't. Like maybe these clowns are armed to the friggin' teeth and itching to shoot somebody.
Live on CHML right now, it seems an "agreement" has been reached with the developer and the Indians. The developer agreed to stop work, the friggin' Mohawks allowed him to take his equipment off the site. The reporter at the site reports one carload of Indians watching the developer pull his machines out.
Nice.
Steven said: "Maybe he has changed but I he was always a pretty strong law and order guy. But a sensible one."
He got in trouble in TO with that and he wandered arounf looking for plush work but found none...McGuinty bought him when he hired him as OPP brass monkey and head Caledinia kick boy...the deal was big perks for taking the heat 2 thiered policing policy will bring.
He's been a pathetic cry baby and arrogan bully respectively when dealing with his detractors...recently he threatedned Caledonia city council with cancellation of policing contract if they continued to complain about the do-nothing servive OPP are showing in that city.
The OPP as an organization is political and corrupt...read the link I provided to see just one example.
The new "red" man
http://www.newsocialist.org/index.php?id=1005
Fantino has always had a thin skin to criticism, on that I agree.
He got shafted out of TO by a council that pulled some kind of a fast move on the voting...but hey writing on the wall.
I still dont think he NEEDS the job. But actions speak the loudest, so we will watch and see what happens.
Apparently the construction company is packing up and going home.
They had a spokeswoman from the group on the Craig Bromell show on 640AM Toronto this morning (Wednesday 23 May). The interview was not very good as they kept on losing the link. breaking down. Apparently, it had something to do with a children's playground o something.
WLMR: Can you find that case you are referring to? That sounds way too different from the formula in CCC p494 and to continue living in Canada I would certainly want to know what I am allowed to do and what not. When case precedent is so contrasting to the law, it's scary and essentially makes obeying the law impossible.
Form a local militia,
Arm yourselves,
Then occupy their Indian Reserve for a while and see how that works.
Assert your own Canadian Sovereignity. Ignore the Queens treaties.
Thats what they are doing to you!
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you can train a dog to shake a paw...
or you can train a dog to bite.
way to go, dalton.
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KPD - that is a certain way to get seroius jail time. Whites who did that would be immediately nailed to the wall, if they survived the native reaction.
Surrender monkey has a new name since 3:24pm today.
I used to think Fantino was a good law-and-order kind of guy. I was wrong.
He's a lickspittle political hack who cares more about empire building and career advancement with his political leash holders.
He's a disgrace to the police.
What are you all complaining about... you haven't heard? You have no rights to property.
( and effectively none to useful self defense)
Well, unless you're a 6 Nations Indian Freds. They gots rights, y'know.
maybe the hell's angles should be hired to negotiate.
http://www.dustmybroom.com/?p=6665#comments
Over at DMB, picture of the OPP assisting the indians put up fence. (blockade)
I would like to "borrow" Darcey comment: Friggin’ nice of them.
The local chief of the Mississauga of the Credit, the indian tribe that owned the Hagersville land originally, was furious at the Mohawks today. His tribe sold the land in question in Hagersville 125 years ago to settlers, who built a school on it. Mohawks have NO business there.
The real problem here is the two-tier justice system. We have to send a message loud and clear in the next Ontario election!
Why not convert their reserve land to fee simple ownership where they own their land, not the Government of Canada? If they owned their own reserve land, then they could be dealt with in a manner similar to other Canadians.
If they screw-up, sue'em and the courts can deal with their assets the same as anyone else.
Stewards of the land the msm tells us, yea right just take a look at any reserve, looks like houses placed in a landfill, one can only have pride when one owns and pays for it.
Mr. Fanchicken is No hero: he is not man enough to face the town in a town meeting!
Not man enough to say there is two tier justice, which there still is!
He is now afraid to talk about Caledonia: this is what comes out his mouth now: NOTHING!!
A real man would tell Dalton McJellfish where to go: I quiet!!!
Big MAN nothing changed except suing Gary for 7.1 Million and Constable Dave Heartless being under investigation for just HELPING his neighbour's real bad guy!! Yes by Mr. Fanchicken!!
So don’t tell me how wonderful Mr. Fanchichen is: maybe Toronto was right in firing his butt!!!
Jim Smith
Caledonia
Anyone with half a brain (which obviously rules out a majority of Canadians, unfortunately) will realize eventually that these native protests are merely diversions. The real currency and interest is in tabacco. When you take into account that 1 in 6 cigarettes smoked in Canada are illegal and the massive majority come in thru the 2 reserves: Akwa-whatever and Kana-whatever along the US border then perhaps you will understand why these protests are important.
So long as the police can be held at bay in some obscure residential development, then the cigarette trade is safe.
CRB
CH TV did a story on Ilegal Tabacco: Six Nation that is! The Native are now putting up Ilegal smoke shop on Canadian soil NOW!! No tax go figure: they just do what they want!!
Thats the problem!!There must be well over a hundres smoke shops in Six Nation!!
Now If Canadians were smart: they would quiet smoking getting rid of the problem them selves!!!
By the way I quiet 20 years ago cold turkey!!
We the Canadian's have the power: just need to speak up!!
Pollution’s work for us: if were turn our backs or say nothing about any problem: it's our fault as citizen’s!
That's why it's important to speak up and be heard: even if it seems like deaf ear's: at least YOU did your part!!
Jim Smith
Caledonia
Actually no, you do not have the power.
The Crown maintains allodial title to all lands in Canada, including yours. You merely have revocable privileges of "real estate".
Technically this is a direct matter of the Injuns trespassing on the Queen's land, and will be dealt with by the Queens Own Representatives (the OPP) at their discretion.
How dare you weigh in on a subject that you have no interest in you serf! Know your place in society commoner. Who do you think you are, a land titled Baron like Conrad Black?
Lowly serfs…
Jim, don't burst a blood vessel man. The thing you have to understand and work with is that cops (and soldiers!) don't do what's right. They do what they're told.
If they are told to protect lawbreakers against the citizens of Caledonia, they will. If they are told to go arrest John Smith for posting "bad things" at Small Dead Animals, they will. Really.
This is hard for good men to understand, particularly in Canada where we are used to good policing. But, it is reality and it is the reason why Conservatives are all about smaller government with less powers (and fewer police in the long run).
So, how to fix what's broke in Caledonia and Ontario generally.
Step one, fire McSquinty in the election. Step two, hold John Tory's feet to the fire big time.
A good possibility to handle this situation would be to stop all federal and provincial expenditures on reservations until they stop breaking the law. Its hard to sit on your massive butt beating a drum in an empty lot in Hagersville when the welfare checks stop coming.
Possibly a major action against illegal smokes would be in order too. Hit 'em where it hurts.
When I say we have the POWER: we do sorry!The goverment know's this: we vote for them you know!!!
I am not talking about the DCE: I am talking in generial!! Example child idler’s going free or serving NO time: why do we put up with this!! We just don't speak up load enough for our goverment to act on this!We say something then it dies out as fast as it started: simple as that: our fault!
I don't care about the DCE we just want law and order back to our town Caledonia: that's ALL!!!
I am NOT a native hater but a crime hater: my grandkids are infact half Native!! That's why I want natives to go back being peaceful like they are raised to be!!!:
I have a big stack in this: my grand kids: three of them and VERY proud of them too and their Native FATHER: 100% Native!!!
Any question feel free to contact me!!
Jim Smith
Caledonia
james01@mountaincable.net
With all due deference and respect for my Canadian patriotic brethren,
The Ontario elector elects an MPP at the provincial level. That is the only elected representation you have there. The Premiership is appointed with consultation from the Queen. All positions of vested power lie with a select few unaccountable types of political positions.
Perhaps if you reformed the Canadian electoral system, to make the premier an elected position, the rightful power balance to the people might change.
Under the current system, all of your judges, police officials (sheriffs, police chiefs), property appraisers, attorney generals, senators and many more positions are patronage appointments.
Public opinion is of course paramount in Canadian politics, but true electoral power does not exist as indicated in this forum.
I want to say one more thing not to make this a chat line!My last comment on this topic: promise!!
In Europe when Governments didn’t do what the people want: the country would shut down: the people would go on strike!!
If we took turns walking off the job: railway one day, mail one day and so on!!
Now tell me the people don’t have the power: just don’t use it!!
Our Government under stands money: very well!!
How about this...
Occupy a piece of reserve land, outside the jurisdiction of the OPP, and set up an outdoor casino with all proceeds to fund the legal fight of law abiding land owners.
Come to think of it, maybe it could sell untaxed gas and smokes! Start a lottery!
BTW, if the OPP arent doing anything, where are the local cops? Where's the RCMP? Are the Injuns engaging in an armed act of war? Whers the Canadian Armed Forces? Where's Chuck Norris when you need him?
The OPP are the local cops. Could be breach of contract. The RCMP largely just ride horses in Ontario, and point out people for the locals to harass.