Caledonia Baptist Church, May 18

proof positive that the arabs populated the americas first.

dirka dirka burka burka.

nary a cop in site on the newest occupation.

I hear say that their anger is "palpable". Hmmm. I wonder what word you would use to describe the anger of the non-native population of Caledonia that has been besieged by thugs and hooligans for over a year without any solution forthcoming from the government TO WHOM THEY PAY TAXES TO PREVENT CRAP LIKE THIS FROM HAPPENING.

Caledonia wake up call has all the details from eye witnesses you will not read in the media.

The firearm incident was between 2 groups of natives and started on the occupied DCE. The gunman make death threats and was said to be brandishing a prohibited weapon ( AK-47). A woman ran for OPP assistance ( less than 100 yrds.) and OPP did nothing except call SN police....in the time it took them to respond the gunman went into a first nations smoke shop and shot the clerk.

Local GTA MSM reported that the area was closed down by police because of an "accident".

Maybe it's just me but has anyone noticed that land claims almost always involve land that has now become worth something? Never see a "sacred burial ground" on a piece of worthless dirt or swamp!
Having worked on a few reserves over the years, I'm disgusted with the squalor in which many natives CHOOSE to live. It somehow becomes our (white man) fault when windows are broken out, a fridge tossed on the ground, and then said window patched up with poly. But if a native chooses to take pride in what they have, they are given a great big pat on the back. And no I'm not a racist, just a realist. I have a few friends that are first nations people and they tend to agree with me.
My brother in-law worked on a reserve building homes and before they were completed, any flammable material was pulled down and used for firewood, sometimes in the bathtub. I suppose it was too much trouble to go out back and chop down a tree or two for fuel.
Let's just hand over all existing reserve land to the bands, give them two generations to get off the public teet and tell them to FIFO (fit in or f.o.). If the leftards and dippers think this is too harsh, let them pose as census takers and see how much respect is shown them. My wife did this and almost got killed for her trouble.

From Darcy's site:

"From: Donna
Sent: May 17, 2007 3:17 PM
Subject: gun

After lunch I want outside to pull weed in the flower garden. I don’t know how long I was out there, maybe half and hour. I had my back turned to the DCE halfway of my property and hear a lot of yelling. I went to see what was going on and hear a native cursing and swearing at a couple of native people. Don’t know what set off the confrontation. Then I saw a shorter, heavy set guy come around the corner of a vehicle, (there was two vehicles side by side on the site) he was was holding a rifle in his hands and yelling, “I will funking kill you right here”. I looked a saw a women holding a small child and the guy was yelling “I’ll kill you”. I took off on the run up the street towards the OPP to tell them. I explained what I heard and what I saw. By the time I returned to the house and went out back, they were gone. The OPP did notify the 6N police. Within minutes a bus load of native kids came onto the site. The students got out of the bus and walked up to the barricade at Thistlemoor and were taking pictures. Whether the guy with the gun was still on the site somewhere or not I don’t know.
Please send this to everyone, especially to Mr. McGuinty. It is time that the 6N people, chiefs, elders, clanmothers, etc., are held accountable for the conduct of the people who are on the site.

Jim Smith
Caledonia Ont."

Dustmybroom dot com has a link to Gary's site which has all the eye witness accounts....let's watch the apologist media play this one ;-)

So, know you can't pave a church parking lot??? As far as I understand it, this church is on FREE HOLD LAND! Glad that are still some people with guts in Caledonia that are not afraid to take pictures and send them around. I really don't know who these so called officials think they are fooling! They should just do their damn job! What is even more alarming is this "New" panel that the feds are setting up to deal with all of the land claims. Its sounds like this panel will have powers that will supersede the HOC and Senate. I don't know about you but this sounds very scary to me. Especially when Harper is listening to the likes of Gerry St. Germain. Harper needs to get himself some new advisor's in this area.

Ete witness account from caledoniawakeupcall dot com:

"12:30 pm Friday update: Resident states, "Around 10:30 this morning, we drove around by Notre Dame to see if many kids were at school. We met a friend who said there was something happening at the Baptist Church. She thought it had something to do with their drainage after the heavy rain this week. We drove there, stopped on the side of the road. Right away a police officer came and asked my husband to move. He said that he just wanted to know what was going on and she said there were discussions and she couldn't report anything. My husband said he was staying there, that he lived in Caledonia( she said she did too, supposed she meant at Unity School). She left, then another one came and asked us to move - we were on the shoulder of the road, but he said we were blocking traffic.

My husband turned the car around to the shoulder on the other side of the road, while we sat there a Norton Construction truck had its turning light on to go into the church and the natives talked to the OPP, so an officer talked to the driver and made him drive on, right by the church and not stop. Right away another OPP came over, asked my husband to move, he said he was off the road, asked again what was going on and that he could sit there at the side - we lived in Caledonia. She went back, then a male OPP officer came, asked him twice to move or he would be arrested for disturbing the peace. Of course, my husband got upset at that. Then the female officer came over, with a native following her, discussion kept on, she finally said that some natives were about to come over and she said, " We don't want to see her hurt", pointing to me. my husband then asked, "So, if they try to pull me out of the car, what are you going to do?" She said, "We won't let that happen", but my husband said "You've done nothing in the past". Then my husband and the native got into a verbal speel, I was very nervous and said "Let's just go". Sometime during this, the female OPP turned around to the native man and smiled. The native said that the road was theirs as was the land, and when my husband asked where were we to go, back to Europe, he said "That would be a good start". He also said that the natives had an agreement with the Church that there would be no digging. Then the male OPP officer came over again and said this was the last time, that my husband would be arrested if we didn't leave. All this time, traffic was able to move freely, as we were still on the shoulder of the road. My husband said fine and we left.We just heard it said on the news that there was confrontation between the OPP and the natives at the church, that's not true - they are gettng along fine. Any Cal. citizen or non-native person who goes to see what is happening in our town is who the OPP are confronting.Neither governments are bothered about what is going on here, in Deseronto or any other area - we almost are hoping that the natives will blockade major roads, railways, etc. on June 29, so that maybe the governments will finally take notice and settle things speedily. A question - why are not two of the land claims the gov't. are trying to settle not the Douglas Creek Estate in Caledonia and the one in Deseronto?"

Denial runs through the OPP, aka Ontario Provincial Police:

"OPP are saying the suspects[sic] actions had nothing to do with the Douglas Creek Estate land claim."
...-

Haldimand County : Suspects[sic] Name Released in Shooting on Highway 6
Posted by Newsroom on 2007/5/18 12:12:32 (339 reads)
Haldimand County

An update on a shooting that took place on highway 6.Yesterday afternoon, a suspect fired shots at the smoke shop on highway 6 and the 5th.An employee was hit by a bullet, and taken to West Haldimand General Hospital and later transfered to Hamilton General with non-life threatning[sic] injuries.The male suspect was found soon after by Six Nations Police, and put in the custody of Haldimand OPP.47 year old Donald Leslie Vanevery of Oshweken, is facing charges of attempted murder, as well as several firearm offences.He has since been put in custody, and will appear in Cayuga court June 1st.OPP are saying the suspects[sic] actions had nothing to do with the Douglas Creek Estate land claim. ...-
http://www.cd989.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=8662

So much for the peaceful natives not being armed, eh? I won't be even a little surprised if RPGs and mortars show up at the DCE site one of these days.

It appears to me we have a serious infestation of armed and dangerous men in Caledonia. So far the official response has been directed at keeping the -public- under control, not the dangerous men.

Kinda puts gun control in a whole new light, don't it?

I thought we had anti-terrorist laws in Canada. What would these acts be classed as? I guess all terrorists are not equal?

"Donald Leslie Vanevery of Oshweken, is facing charges of attempted murder, as well as several firearm offences."

"Several firearms offences" eh? I will be following this one to see if one was posession of a prohibited weapon with no licence or registration...3 charges that can bring you ar me 10 years under the liberal's wonderful firearms laws.

We will see if these laws applie to every one equally.

I don't have to tell you what would happen to any non-aboriginal Canadian who brandished an AK-47 at bystanders ina public place then proceeded to shoot up a store with one....chances are you would be killed by SWAT ambush on your home before you got to court.

I'm also interested to see how curious police and crown are at the availability of prohibited weapons on the SN reserve....will they follow this possession charge up for source, like they do any other illegal weapons caller?

Canadian Anti-Terrorism Act
Last Update: April 30 2007

Section 83.01(1)(b) defines terrorist activity as:

(b) an act or omission, in or outside Canada,

(i) that is committed

(A) in whole or in part for a political, religious or ideological purpose, objective or cause, and

(B) in whole or in part with the intention of intimidating the public, or a segment of the public, with regard to its security, including its economic security, or compelling a person, a government or a domestic or an international organization to do or to refrain from doing any act, whether the public or the person, government or organization is inside or outside Canada, and

(ii) that intentionally

(A) causes death or serious bodily harm to a person by the use of violence,

(B) endangers a person’s life,

(C) causes a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or any segment of the public,

(D) causes substantial property damage, whether to public or private property, if causing such damage is likely to result in the conduct or harm referred to in any of clauses (A) to (C), or

(E) causes serious interference with or serious disruption of an essential service, facility or system, whether public or private, other than as a result of advocacy, protest, dissent or stoppage of work that is not intended to result in the conduct or harm referred to in any of clauses (A) to (C),

and includes a conspiracy, attempt or threat to commit any such act or omission, or being an accessory after the fact or counselling in relation to any such act or omission, but, for greater certainty, does not include an act or omission that is committed during an armed conflict and that, at the time and in the place of its commission, is in accordance with customary international law or conventional international law applicable to the conflict, or the activities undertaken by military forces of a state in the exercise of their official duties, to the extent that those activities are governed by other rules of international law.

Andrew--sounds as if we have a case against the Six Nations terrorist in DCE? Unless the governments are looking at this as an 'armed conflict'? Or will the argument be used that the Natives did not 'intend to cause harm, etc' as stated above. It is our fault that rail, traffic and hydro were disrupted? That tires caught fire and cause pollution? That stones flew off the overpass into oncoming traffic? And on and on?
Now the question--is there anyone out there with the gonads to call a terrorist a terrorist and act accordingly?

Liberal, Dalton (Let me write my biggest whopper down on paper, and sign it for you on TV, so you won't forget) McLiar supports this with his dereliction of duty.
Strange, since his inaction aids organized crime.

"The Jamaican Posses which control much of the cocaine industry in the Toronto area do not appear to be short of handguns and may bring them with cocaine shipments from the United States. Bikers and the Asian Triads probably have their own pipelines, but the most gaping holes in the Canada-US border are on the Reserves. The Warriors have the most impressive private arsenal in Canada and already deal with the main organized crime bodies.
http://www.mackenzieinstitute.com/1994/sin-tax-failure8.htm

Where the H*ll are the police?! And McGuinty the McMissing?

If a group of people I have not invited onto my property arrive and won't leave (think of parties gone wrong), the police are called and come to tell the interlopers to leave--and escort them off if they don't go willingly.

What's the difference in this case?

Race.

So, I would say our government and the OPP are "racist," meaning the opposite of what the word usually means, though it's just as bad. IF the interlopers are Natives, then they seem to have carte blanche to do whatever they want. What kind of justice is this? Who's safe if this is the case? What happened to law and order in Ontario, Canada?

We can't have two justice systems, different ways of dealing with one group of individuals and another way of dealing with another group. Parallel governments and legal systems don't work within one country.

Ontario/Canada had better work this out fast, otherwise groups other than Natives will begin to take the law into their own hands, the way Native Canadians seem to have been able to do with impunity.

This is madness. Could we please come to our senses?

"THEN people can pave parking lots and have barbeques and leave their property unguarded without this happening."

Do you find it difficult to walk with your hands gripping your ankles?

Seriously, what right do you have to tell people to put their lives on hold lest they anger some dimwit goons in masks? Maybe they should close that nearby Catholic school - afterall, we wouldn't want to provoke aboriginals by reminding them of the residential school issue.
Pathetic.

Notre Dame Catholic School was on another Shut Down too over this!!

It’s nice to see CH TV is taking an interest in our children now: Notre Dame Catholic School right by the DCE!!

Last year when the WARRIOR’S or so called I prefer Cowards: last year pelted the school kids with anything they could find on the DCE small stone, stick’s, garbage or what ever they could find!!! NICE!!! I talk to anyone in the media I could find since I was there every day at that time: Nothing ever said!!! :-(

If that’s NOT bad enough they kept telling them to get OFF their F__K land: YES to kids in Kindergarten! Why to draw attention to them selves by using KIDS our KIDS meaning everybody’s!!
My kids have grown up youngest was 18 at that time Jason thank GOD!!

It seems to be taboo to talk about it: yet it happen: I have talk to quiet a few kids since!! For them to tell their story WITH NO emotion on their faces: frankly make’s me ANGERY and SAD at the same time!

DAM THE PEOPLE IN POWER WHO ALLOWED THIS HAPPEN: THEY CAN GO TO HELL, HELL, HELLL !!!
What’s wrong with us?? I simply don’t get it!!!

Frustrated,
Jim Smith

This has been building up in me since I gave up!!
Thanks Small Dead Animal's for this opportunity to get it out!! ;-)
For the KIDS: GOD help them to recover: PLEASE!!!
GOD is all we have here plus a few real GOOD people!!
Thank's for listening!!

Ever Grateful,
Jim Smith
Caledonia

How can anyone not think that this isn't going to end in some serious bloodshed?

A typical scenario being played out all over the world, marginal macho punks with bad attitudes and time on their hands terrorizing the innocent. Whether it is jihadis, punks on reservations or ghetto gangstas, the profile fits.

While liberal governments here, there and everywhere are busy criminalizing and enforcing the trivial from smoking to fast food to free speech, vicious thugs escape law enforcement. There is a correlation, thousands of crap new laws and the enforcement of nothing.

So this is Canada, with LAWS including ones against thuggery and blockades but these low life Savages are exempt?
If the majority of "Natives" and their Chiefs are in favor of this crap it's time to stop the flow of OUR money to the lot of them.

Having laws means nothing without the ability, or the GUTS in this case, to enforce them.

The Indian savages need not look for sympathy for their "cause" with such tactics.
I have yet to hear anyone with sympathy for this outrageous behavior.

Land claims be-damned, who the hell developed the land and forged the Country through great hardships? Who gave the Indians all the modern conveniences and health care to allow them to survive?

They are a disgrace even to themselves.
Looks like we need another Indian War.

When will people learn that appeasement will never work? It doesn't matter what happens, the whiners will not be satisfied. Just look at the new immigration bill in the US. Nobody is happy. There are a sizeable amount that are pissed that they are not given immediate citizenship for illegal time in the US. Reopening a 200+ year land deal just because the land is now worth something is just plain stupid. You will probably never hear (besides from SDA) that the reason the Feds are not negotiating anything is because the natives have sued the government back in 2000. The government does not negotiate once there is a lawsuit in play.

Time to get rid of racism in Canada. No Indian Affairs, no reserves, separate laws and sweat lodges,just all Canadians being treated the same.

Time to get rid of racism in Canada. No Indian Affairs, no reserves, separate laws and sweat lodges,just all Canadians being treated the same.

We can't have that: it make too much since! People treated the same getting along!
What’s next world peace!!!

I agree texas canuck just having fun!!
Government does not want that: negotiator getting $1,300.00 a day!! Yes Money!!

Hmm, took over a Baptist Church did they? Oh well, no loss.

Ahhhhh....so nice to see that the token "rest of the universe" i.e Ontario, is going down the tubes. Now if we can just get Queerbec to follow, and take all the leftards/dippers with them, then maybe the ROC can move on into the prosperous furture we are trying to make for ourselves and families.

Alby, a request. Email me your home address - you know, since you're in the mood to give away private property.

Kate, giving you my house would be of no service to the world, but would in fact be a disservice to my neighbours. You wouldn’t like them either since most vote NDP and don’t like dogs or rednecks.
Consider it this way. If the natives seize and even burn that building they would be doing the world a service by the elimination of just a wee bit of visible religious nonsense.
Besides I thought your type hated everything Middle Eastern?

albatros39a, you don't have to go to church, you don't have to have a religion, so what's your problem. Applauding anyone that would burn any private property be it a house, a store, or a church makes YOU the dangerous hateful idiot.

Crawl back in your hole. You really aren't fit to interact with humanity.

Penny, dangerous hateful idiots are those that follow the Middle Eastern religions. Unlike the many ignorant religious right and just plain vanilla right wing here that spew their hate toward the Muslim faith, I chose to express my displeasure towards all monotheistic Middle Eastern religions equally.
These religions are a dead weight around the neck of civilization and responsible for more human suffering than any other thing that man has ever invented. The sooner we rid the world of this mistake of humanity the better.

alby, your commentary is brilliant as usual. So brilliant, in fact, that I think you should send a copy to your local bishop, imam, and rabbi, and tell us what happens.

I'm sure the Canadian Jewish Congress appreciates their people being called a "mistake of humanity" that the world needs to be "rid" of. And we all know the Muslims traditionally receive criticism of their faith in a generous, nonviolent spirit.

alby, your commentary is brilliant as usual. So brilliant, in fact, that I think you should send a copy to your local bishop, imam, and rabbi, and tell us what happens.

I'm sure the Canadian Jewish Congress appreciates their people being called a "mistake of humanity" that the world needs to be "rid" of. And we all know the Muslims traditionally receive criticism of their faith in a generous, nonviolent spirit.

I too thank Kate for: Keeping Caledonia center front and the job she does putting trolls in their place!
(Especially Alby....)
Heres to Jim Smith who won't let fear and intimidation stop him from getting the facts out. Since the media and the politicians have left Caledonia high and dry.

You, as usual, missed the point, Alby.

I don't care what your opinion is. You don't get a say in the matter.

I need to know where you live, so that I may confiscate the property. Or at least, the use of it.

In your comment about the rights of those who own the Caledonia Baptist Church property, you set the rules of engagement. Now, damn you - be man enough to live up to them in the same way you would have them applied to others.

Alby: this is not about religion is it: Kate is right listen to her!!
I personally have NO religion I am just one of GODS children like everybody else!
Religion just brainwashes people to their way of thinking!! We all know right from wrong that’s all that matter’s!!
GOD has three rule’s JUSTICE, LOVE and most important of all the TRUTH!!
Our creator is called many names: GOD, ect and so on! HATE has no place in our creator world: get it NOW!!
Enough about religion: touchy topic: best left to one’s own belief or keep it to your self!!

What these radical native’s are doing is WRONG: GET IT!! That's the topic after all!!
Sorry Kate!!

Alby look at the Radical Native: his FACE(covered up like an outlaw) focus on that Not the church!!

;-) This should NOT be allowed!!!

"Alby look at the Radical Native: his FACE(covered up like an outlaw) focus on that Not the church!!

;-) This should NOT be allowed!!!

Posted by: Jim Smith at May 20, 2007 11:44 AM"

What about this guy in green?
http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/photos/apCBCNewsOnline_AFG_2984006.jpg
He's fighting for a cause too isn't he, should he be forced to reveal his identity? Is he covered up like an outlaw?
When it it's taken down the basics, the native is fighting for what he claims is his land, but the guy in green that hides his face is just a hired gun.

"I need to know where you live, so that I may confiscate the property. Or at least, the use of it.

Using that argument Kate I'd say no, you have no legal claim to my land as the natives claim to have in Caledonia. If the church was built on native land then I would have to say too bad for the churchies, they can build somewhere else. Being a church I just have to say I can't think of a better organization to have its property seized by the natives.

Andrew, it's not just the Muslim and Jewish faiths that are a mistake of humanity, Christianity is included in that.

What about this guy in green?
http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/photos/apCBCNewsOnline_AFG_2984006.jpg
He's fighting for a cause too isn't he, should he be forced to reveal his identity? Is he covered up like an outlaw?
When it it's taken down the basics, the native is fighting for what he claims is his land, but the guy in green that hides his face is just a hired gun.

Posted by: albatros39a at May 20, 2007 6:36 PM

First of all have you ever seen ONE of us in Caledonia cover ones face: will we kill you NO!
Any one trying to kill the guy in green YES!!!
Your comments do not wash cowards!!!

Don't bother with the idiot Jim, his brain's slower than a job fair at a reserve.

Don't bother with the idiot Jim, his brain's slower than a job fair at a reserve.

Name calling good reply dummy: GODS LAND TOO!!

"Name calling good reply dummy: GODS LAND TOO!!"

Uh...Have you been drinking or is english your second language. You make no sense and I'm sorry I came to your defense.

multirec: whats your real name to scard booooo!!

"multirec: whats your real name to scard booooo!!"

Ahhh, you have been drinking.

What cover's it face and hide's its name I smell a chicken!!!!

yep a chicken names multirec!! LOF

Jim Smith said-

"Alby: this is not about religion is it: Kate is right listen to her!!"

"I personally have NO religion I am just one of GODS children like everybody else!"

"GOD has three rule’s JUSTICE, LOVE and most important of all the TRUTH!!
Our creator is called many names: GOD, ect and so on! HATE has no place in our creator world: get it NOW!!"

You personally have no religion? Judging by the above I’d say you are a bit confused.

And no, I should not listen to Kate. Kate is part of the problem in this country, she does nothing but spread her hate or archaic and misguided ideas. She thrives on the attention given to her by people who are capable of seeing a one-dimensional world and that mistakenly believe that she is someone that has something of value to say.
The fact is Kate herself has little to say in her own words, but relies on cutting and pasting from other web sites, occasionally bordering on outright plagiarism. She selectively uses the words other people’s writings while suppressing what she disagrees with.
No, Jim Smith, Kate is anything but someone to be listened to.

"What cover's it face and hide's its name I smell a chicken!!!!

yep a chicken names multirec!! LOF"

Wow, I'm not sure who's loonier, you or alby. I'll leave this thread to you two, you deserve each other.

albatros39a: I at least know kates name: you just another coward!!
I am my own person!!

So why are you in this site: STUPID come's to mind: if you feel this way!!

You personally have no religion? Judging by the above I’d say you are a bit confused.
albatros39a

So what religion am I??
Here's a hint: it has no name!!!

Well Jim Smith, I don't know your name either. I could tell you my name is Glen Allen, but would you believe me?

confused not even close!
I do believe in my heavenly fater but It's between GOD and ME: Direct!!!
Do you think I survide 10 years of cancer for just any reason: I could tell you more but I will not personal you know!!