40 Replies to “Another Poll”

  1. In a related poll, today’s TO Sun:
    Which party do you trust most for leadership on the environment?
    Conservative 53%
    Green 25%
    Liberal 14%
    NDP 8%
    Total Votes for this Question: 4520

  2. Well … I suspect that the only reason so many people even put it in the top 5 was they way the poll was worded. There are probably lots of people who it was lower than their top 5 issues but disagreed with “It’s not that big an issue”…
    I would imagine that if you created a list of the top 50 issues facing Canadians, and had people rank the top 5 issues that “the environment” would rank pretty low.
    Historically speaking, people have never cared that much about the environment when it came to an election. The conservatives only really need a strong enough enviromental policy to have a bullet point in their campaign and the rest of their focus should be on issues that most people really care about (like the economy).

  3. I wouldn’t make such light of the chicken little glowball worming movement. It’s scary, as scary as Lenin (Layton) Stalin (Gore) Mao (The EU) and Pol Pot (The UN) all wrapped into one. Be very, very afraid. We’re in for a bitter battle on the scale of a religious crusade.

  4. The fact that 85% of those polled consider climate change among the top 5 or higher issues attests to the effectiveness of mass hysteria fanned by the msm, pseudo-educational establishment, world governance watermelons, Hollywood and resultant political whoring.
    If that poll represents average Canadians, we’re f…ed!

  5. What I find shocking is the number of empty headed lemmings that think “gummint” can actually change the weather/climate….accordin to that poll only 14% of us are not willing to run to Big Brother every time big brother arranges for a loud noise to frighten his flock pf docile dependent lemmings in a direction he wants them to run without thinking.
    Fear and herd mentality are the things all successful predators need to understand.

  7. Like most Canadians I am concerned about clean air, clean water and conservation of our natural resources. However, I think that the Globe and Mail agendum on this is to push the very flawed Kyoto Accord. If Kyoto is the top issue for the Globe and Mail, and their friends in the Liberal party, my feeling is that it’s an issue with me because of fear of what the extremists are planning to do to our economy. I guess that makes the economy, rather than the environment, my first concern.

  8. Was watching Politics with Don Newman on CBC Newsworld.
    In conversation with Keith Boag, Newman said (and this is an exact quote), “The environment has become thee issue that is front a centre with the public.”
    Where’s Newman getting his info? He didn’t mention the Globe & Mail poll, probably because it doesn’t support his claim. He’ll just wait for a poll that has results that are more to his personal liking to tell us.
    Is it the No. 1 issue for Canadians as he claims, or does he really mean it’s the No. 1 issue for the CBC?
    BTW, Rona Ambrose is having an Elaine Benes of Seinfeld moment … her breast can be seen.
    When you see clips of Harper in question Period, look behind him at Ambrose. Her top is nearly flung open. It looks like she’s missing a button.
    The likes of Mercer and Strombo will likely have a field day with it this one … if they will notice.

  9. So what happens if the man made global warming doomsayers are wrong?
    In 10 years we will have spent 100’s of billions of dollars to stop non-polluting global warming gases from reaching the atmosphere. This will almost assuredly come at the cost of not doing other much more important environmental protection such as stopping Victoria from dumping its raw sewage into the ocean.
    Will one single environmentalist, journalist or politician now calling us deniers apologize? Will they accept accountability for their hysteria and religious dogmatism? Will they accept responsibility for the massive harm they will have done to the economies of the world at the expense of real environmental progress?

  10. Was watching Politics with Don Newman on CBC Newsworld.
    In conversation with Keith Boag, Newman said (and this is an exact quote), “The environment has become thee issue that is front a centre with the public.”
    Where’s Newman getting his info? He didn’t mention the Globe & Mail poll, probably because it doesn’t support his claim. He’ll just wait for a poll that has results that are more to his personal liking to tell us.
    Is it the No. 1 issue for Canadians as he claims, or does he really mean it’s the No. 1 issue for the CBC?
    BTW, Rona Ambrose is having an Elaine Benes of Seinfeld moment … her breast can be seen.
    When you see clips of Harper in question Period, look behind him at Ambrose. Her top is nearly flung open. It looks like she’s missing a button.
    The likes of Mercer and Strombo will likely have a field day with it this one … if they will notice.

  11. Pretty funny when you consider the source of the poll. Even the G&M readership place the environment low on their list of priorities. If you can’t get the results you want when you preach to the choir, something must be amiss.

  12. “So what happens if the man made global warming doomsayers are wrong?” — Not to worry. Once we have paid all this money and nothing happens, we will just be told “whew — we’ve managed to stop global warming in time.” (This is most likely, since things are predicted to start cooling in about 2020 anyway!)If it continues to warm up — oops, well. “too little to late.” Just as it is now hard to figure out the truth about man’s contribution to global warming, we will never know the truth — that’s how the best scams work.

  13. Aww Linda, don’t be such a skeptic…
    After all, look at how successful throwing tons of money at a major problem was in solving the Y2K impending disaster…
    Oh wait…the Y2K thing was bullshit, wasn’t it…

  14. It can proven that there have been many wild climate changes over he last several thousand years on this planet. (Too many SUVs is ancient times?)
    Our continued existence is proof that we simply adapt as needed.
    If we are unable to continue supporting the vast over-population of earth, then we shall eventually have a planet with far fewer carbon units make it untidy.
    There is no guarantee or right to have a never ending population growth on the planet. There is a limit and we have reached it.
    What’s the big deal?
    Muslims have an average of six kids each. I will settle for no kids and a nice car. If they would blow up more of their kids, I will consider a bicycle

  15. 22,500 votes come in on this poll in 7 hrs, moving not important from 44% to 25% and top 5 from 12% to over 40%. Who fixed the poll.

  16. It can proven that there have been many wild climate changes over he last several thousand years on this planet. (Too many SUVs is ancient times?)
    Our continued existence is proof that we simply adapt as needed.
    If we are unable to continue supporting the vast over-population of earth, then we shall eventually have a planet with far fewer carbon units make it untidy.
    There is no guarantee or right to have a never ending population growth on the planet. There is a limit and we have reached it.
    What’s the big deal?
    Muslims have an average of six kids each. I will settle for no kids and a nice car. If they would blow up more of their kids, I will consider a bicycle

  17. Thanks, Mary T. I made a similar comment on a previous thread (though I lacked the exact numbers). That there was some form of manipulation (either by the G&M or by “other” groups) is obvious when you look at how the poll results changed. The silly thing is…it was so incredibly blatant if anyone was paying attention to earlier interim results.
    We’re competing with those of lesser intellect, I think. And yes, that is an understatement.

  18. MaryT: I fixed the poll, together with the MSM.
    What would be really cool though would be for Kate to actively encourage people who pass through here to actually go there and vote. Maybe it could nudge the results.

  19. Crabgrass, I had failed to mention that perspective…I’d noted it in the other thread. As you are undoubtedly not aware (all leftists seem to be dense on this issue), the G&M panders mostly to the left side of the political spectrum and therefore attract the opinions of leftists. ANY reader poll that they put out is highly skewed to the left…just as any reader poll from the Toronto Sun would be highly skewed to the right.
    Yes, SDA contributers probably influenced the poll, but I tend to doubt that there were 12752 SDA contributers participating by saying “not a big deal”. Maybe a few hundred to a couple thousand, tops. The rest would be just regular folks responding to that entry.
    The big deal is how the “in the top five” jumped from the LEAST popular choice by far (when the total of the respondents was about 30,000) to the MOST popular by far (at polls close).
    This is MASSIVE manipulation, not just a few hundred to a couple thousand SDA’ers letting their opinions be known. And as far as that goes, I voted “in the top five”.
    But, really…no big deal. We all know that these polls are NOT an accurate guage of country-wide opinion regardless of manipulation or not.
    The point being made is…perhaps a little bit of doubt is starting to make its way into the minds of the “average Canadian” as to the veracity of the Chicken Little claims.

  20. Crab grass said,
    “What would be really cool though would be for Kate to actively encourage people who pass through here to actually go there and vote. Maybe it could nudge the results.”
    Why would Kate encouraging voting nudge anything but the total number of votes? It seems there are plenty of people on both sides of any conversation here.

  21. It’s interesting to note that a G&M prior poll:
    Do you want an election this year?
    Whopping 86% NO
    so no matter how they try to spin, it’s not working.
    If the average hard working Taxpayers were displeased with the current gov’t, then the polls would be opposite.

  22. If Alberta has to reduce GHG emissions from our Tar sands developments, then where is the money to develop these technologies going to come from?
    I suggest we reduce by half the amount of money we send in for provincial equalization payments. For example, if we were to only send in say, 5 billion more to Ottawa than we get in return (instead of the current amount of about 10 billion) then the 5 billion saved can go towards developing GHG-reduction technologies.
    Sure it may mean that Quebec gets a lower amount in equalization payments, but I am sure with their unwavering devotion to cleaning up the environment, they would only be too happy to give up all their extraneous social programs such as subsidized daycare and reduced university tuitions.

  24. The first time I checked that poll was 12:11 am, and posted at that time. I also posted the results at 9:53a.m., 3:12 p.m. and 10:21 pm.
    Up until the final results, the top 5 was a consistent 12% then to 44%, no big deal was 45-39-42to 25%
    12:11a.m. 5070 votes, 9:53a.m. 13823 votes
    3:12p.m. 21396 votes. 10:21pm 43819 votes
    All times alberta time.
    Someone else can do the math re votes/hr and percentage changes.
    Another poll shows the libs and conservatives are about equal in cdn minds as who would do the best, with the greens leading the charge.
    What other platforms do the greens have for canada other than ruining our economy and forcing us all back to the status of that jungle girl recently found. Will OBL let us rent a cave.

  25. There was jump in real estate development in places like Arizona and new Mexico exactly the time when the PopScience activists were touting the new ice age is coming!
    Sheeple are never in short supply!

  27. Actually, I’ve always found the Green platform to be right of centre. Some of their fiscal ideas aren’t bad.
    I think environmental issues are very important, always have. Definitely one of my top priorities.
    That said, I’m not really buying into the global warming thing because without massive reduction in human population, I don’t see how it can be fixed. I’d say the earth is overpopped by at least a factor of two but I don’t have a hard number.
    Sure, more solar, more wind, more efficient cars maybe using hydrogen, I get all that. But it has to be market driven. Right now, it would cost me tens of thousands to retrofit with active solar, where I’d feed the grid during the day and draw from it at night, ending up with a nil to small overall energy use. Who wouldn’t be in favour of a zero energy bill? But how many people have $50K to spend on something that won’t pay for itself for 20 years?
    Underground nukes, great – nukes are certainly cleaner than other energy sources.
    Everybody, everywhere who lives in a temperate region that suffers from desertification, such as southern Ontario, should plant trees. Cities should plant them, homeowners, everyone who can. They are natural filters.
    Who doesn’t want to walk down to the lake and not be reluctant to put their foot into it, let alone drink it? Who doesn’t want to see smog go away, it’s disgusting. Who wouldn’t want more wild animals, birds, fish everywhere?
    My problem is that I don’t trust the government to handle the job properly. I really believe it has to be market driven.
    I also believe that given the available tools, most individual consumers are doing what they can to help. Telling me I can only run my few little lights during certain hours, for example, isn’t going to save enough energy to be worth doing.

  28. the mope and wail is consistantly suspect when it comes to there “poles”. I’ve seen way to many last minutes extreme changes to call it any thing else.

  29. The Toronto Star is assisting the Liberals in their attack against Harper and ‘Kyoto’. The Star has published a letter written by Harper in 2002 against Kyoto. The thing is – it’s an excellent letter by Harper, outlining clearly that Kyoto is not about emissions or pollution control but is a money transfer scheme – one that will greatly harm Canada’s economy.
    Of course, the Kyoto Cult will try to use this against Harper – but- just read the letter. It’s excellent.
    This is the text of a letter written in 2002 by Stephen Harper to members of his Canadian Alliance party denouncing the Kyoto accord:
    “Dear Friend,
    We’re on a roll, folks!
    The Canadian Alliance is once again setting the agenda in the House of Commons. Look at what happened in less than two months since Parliament reopened:
    — We bagged another Liberal cabinet minister when we drove the hapless Lawrence MacAulay to resign for violating the ethics guidelines.
    — We broke Jean Chrétien’s chokehold on the House of Commons by getting the election of committee chairs and votes on all private members’ bills.
    — We finally (!) got the Liberals to agree to set up a national registry for sex offenders.
    But we can’t just relax and declare victory. We’re gearing up for the biggest struggle our party has faced since you entrusted me with the leadership. I’m talking about the “battle of Kyoto” — our campaign to block the job-killing, economy-destroying Kyoto Accord.
    It would take more than one letter to explain what’s wrong with Kyoto, but here are a few facts about this so-called “Accord”:
    — It’s based on tentative and contradictory scientific evidence about climate trends.
    — It focuses on carbon dioxide, which is essential to life, rather than upon pollutants.
    — Canada is the only country in the world required to make significant cuts in emissions. Third World countries are exempt, the Europeans get credit for shutting down inefficient Soviet-era industries, and no country in the Western hemisphere except Canada is signing.
    — Implementing Kyoto will cripple the oil and gas industry, which is essential to the economies of Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, Saskatchewan, Alberta and British Columbia.
    — As the effects trickle through other industries, workers and consumers everywhere in Canada will lose. THERE ARE NO CANADIAN WINNERS UNDER THE KYOTO ACCORD.
    — The only winners will be countries such as Russia, India, and China, from which Canada will have to buy “emissions credits.” Kyoto is essentially a socialist scheme to suck money out of wealth-producing nations.
    — On top of all this, Kyoto will not even reduce greenhouse gases. By encouraging transfer of industrial production to Third World countries where emissions standards are more relaxed, it will almost certainly increase emissions on a global scale.
    For a long time, the Canadian Alliance stood virtually alone in opposing the Kyoto Accord, as Bob Mills, our senior environment critic, waged a valiant battle against it. Now, however, allies are stepping forward — eight of 10 provincial governments, and a broad coalition of businesses across Canada — to help us fight the “battle of Kyoto.”
    Jean Chrétien says he will introduce a resolution to ratify Kyoto into Parliament and get it passed before Christmas. We will do everything we can to stop him there, but he might get it passed with the help of the socialists in the NDP and the separatists in the BQ.
    But the “battle of Kyoto” is just beginning. Ratification is merely symbolic; Kyoto will not take effect unless and until it is implemented by legislation. We will go to the wall to stop that legislation and at that point we will be on much stronger procedural ground than in trying to block a mere resolution.
    The Reform Party defeated the Charlottetown Accord in an epic struggle in the fall of 1992. Now the Canadian Alliance is leading the battle against the Kyoto Accord!
    But we can’t do it alone. It will take an army of Canadians to beat Kyoto, just as it did to beat Charlottetown.
    We can’t stop Kyoto just in Parliament. We need your help at all levels. We need you to inform yourself about Kyoto, to discuss it with your friends and neighbours, and to write protest letters to newspapers and the government.
    And, yes, we need your gifts of money. The “battle of Kyoto” is going to lead directly into the next election. We need your contribution of $500, or $250, or $100, or whatever you can afford, to help us drive the Liberals from power.
    Yours truly,
    Stephen Harper, MP
    Leader of the Opposition ”

  31. What about the pending International Panel on Climate Change report? This psuedo organ of the UN, populated by scientists of the leftist mental disorder persausion, is to be trusted? They’ve declared that mans influence on the climate will last over a thousand years. Huh.
    Has the earth’s climate not been warming since the end of the last ice age?
    Has the earth’s climate not been in a dynamic state of change from the very beginning?
    What about the influence of our furnace, the sun?

  32. While I agree with Harper’s letter above, it will probably cause him to lose the next election. He wrote it before global warming became the number one concern of Canadian voters. The only thing that reassures me is knowing that the soon-to-be-elected Dion govermnent won’t actually do anything to comply with Kyoto; they will simply use it as a means of making voters feel good when they mark their ballots. The Liberals are too smart to do anything that will cause serious pain to voters. However it will be Opposition Leader Harper’s job to make sure the government does not send billions to China and Russia.

  33. randall g = contradictory B.S., heh.
    “The Liberals are too smart to do anything that will cause serious pain to voters.”
    Drinking too much kool-aid and dreaming in technicolor!,heh.

  35. Randall G: “However it will be Opposition Leader Harper’s job to make sure the government does not send billions to China and Russia.”
    Or thousands and thousands to Afghanistan. Or is he okay with that?
    Then again, maybe Duceppe will be the leader of the opposition.

  36. What a country we live in! No proof exists that humans affect climate, yet because Dion et al believe the new dogma of Kyoto, it is a sin to have any doubts about this unproven theory.
    Typical totalitarianism – not only must you say what I think, you must think what I think.
    I still think Harper will mop the floor with this guy. I loved his line about Dion renaming his dog “Sponsorship Scandal.”
    We can be energy superpowers, not by sending emission credits to China and India so they can pollute even more, but by using our wealth and smarts to develop the next energy technology.
    To all those who label me and others “deniers” (not so subtle reference Holocaust deniers), I ask you, have you actually checked out the dissent from respected scientists.
    And, enough of this shooting the messenger crap. Suzuki et al don’t want to debate the science (because they agree with it), they say anyone who disputes their “evidence,” including Al Gore’s garbage (unbelievable sins of omissions and outright fabrications, an “F” undergraduate paper at best), are in the pockets of “big oil.”
    So, Suzuki, Gore, Dion, and others have no vested interests or bias? Give me a break.

  37. Has anyone ever read the Kyoto Accord, has any liberal ever brought a copy to the HofC, has anyone ever seen it. Does it exist. The liberals have to admit that when JC signed it, Clinton was President, and refused to sign it. At least with this letter out there, people might start to study what it is all about. One can get a copy of the Gomery report, all the data on the GST, and many more reports. Why not the Kyoto Accord. Is there any picture of JC signing it, what did he sign, we must find it and expose it.

  38. When was kyoto signed by JC, 1993, so if Harper is planning to object to the legislation to implement it in 2002, isn’t that more proof that THE LIBERALS DIDN’T GET IT DONE. Falls right in there with the critical ads showing liberals saying You didn’t get it done, and asking Why didn’t you get it done. Hammond has just verified the liberals did nothing. Thank you Mr Hammond. More talking heads have admitted that nothing was done. Travers actually said it is a non issue. Is that a sign the liberals are going to back off on the environment being the number one issue for cdns.
    I bet PMSH has got somebody researching all his campaign letters and will be ready for the next attempt to get him.

  39. Tomorrow, Thursday, the cbc is doing a documentary on THE COST OF CUTTING CARBONS.
    Might be worth watching. If this show tells us that everyone will have to pay somehow, mentions millions to China, and possibly Strong, we will know that the public is wakeing up, and dion is toast re the environment.

  40. Just spent 2 hrs reading articles on Kyoto, both pro and con. If the govt gave/gives me 183,000.00, I could do a great paper on the pros of kyoto. Google brings up many articles, but I can’t find the original accord, document whatever. Kyoto doesn’t kick in until 2008, and concludes in 2012. No wonder libs want back in and Chretain got his puppet elected. He started it, and thinks he still might have a chance to make billions thru Strong and credits. Some reports say it will cost 23-40 billion/yeaar to implement kyoto and could/would cost 70,000 jobs in Alberta alone. The auto industry doesn’t escape either.
    A group, headed by Strong met and come up with the Accord in 1993, to be signed in 1997, ratified in 2005 and implemented in 2008. In the meantime Strong was scamming Oil for Food, and must have needed all that time to get things set up in China. The Accord states countries are to reduce ghg by so much, IF THEIR NEIGHBORS ALSO AGREE TO IT. The US, our neighbor, has not agreed to Kyoto, so are we legally bound by it.
    If we can get the truth of this scam out to enough people just maybe the conservatives can win a majority and stop the whole thing before 2008.

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