Garth Turner Unedited (bumped with update)

Hilarious..and dead on!I used to have some respect for Turner,and would check out the blog frequently,but it has recently been "all me,all the time",and a pity-party for one.Talk about an egotistical,spoiled brat,and it is truly getting tiresome.You really nailed it with this post!

You mean you actually went to the spoiled little boy's website? I gave up on the whiner when he was crying over not getting a cabinet post. Looks like the right call was made there.

You may have missed...

"Now that I'm kicked out Steve is a poo-poo head".

Although there is the "More Me" link...it's probably there 5 or 6 or 20 times.

Go quickly, make haste, click over to Garth Who?'s site.

Garth bares his partisanship; it's pure, pristine, unadulerated egoism.

Me-My-I has an extended entry entitled:

"my partisan nakedness" [sic]

...-

Maybe Garth and Ignatieff could form a party based on common interests.

Ignatieff, putting the "I" back in politics

I have taken to reading blogs from those opposition positions for a bit, to see how far apart on issues we can be.

I have followed Turner's blog to see what the fuss-up was all about.

I might never understand the opposition folks, but with Turner, oh my gosh...trust is such a bear to get back!

Impossible I'd offer, at the team player level he demands.

As usual Kate - Right on!!!

deleted - off topic -Ed.

you should here him when he stands in front of a mirror . . . :)

Oh, me, oh, my...

Geez... this dude craves attention as does Elton John, doesn't he?

Why doesn't he go to the Liebrano$$$? I'm sure they'd be very tolerant of his independence and penchant for saying whatever he wants about whatever and whomever he wants. Imagine the things he'd expose about the Liebrano$$$...

So the Liebrano$$$ can have Garthie! Hope they let him in... he's a helluva Trojan Horse...

300 words
I's take a comanding lead 14 to 7 over my's. Me's trailing far behind with only 2.

lol.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1163371809363&call_pageid=970599119419

Looks like Garth's feeling a little left out again

Garth Turner is a joke, he should join the circus.

Garth Turner is such a clown. All that's missing is the clown getup.

Turner really is a joke, however, he' just one minor avalanche falling of the conservative iceberg.

I wonder how many other righties will fall into the icy waters of Canadian independent politics as CPC popularity thaws.

I wanna talk about me, wanna talk about I, wanna talk about #1, oh my me my!
Toby Keith could have written that for garth.

Can't say I exactly understand. Isn't the purpose of a blog to write about oneself, or one's opinions?

I would put this post in the pre-emptive innoculation category. Pillory the messenger before the message gets out. It can be effective and it's smart, get the focus on the messenger and maybe it will keep the focus off the message or at least water it down.

Of course, Garth is all about Garth. He was before he ran and was cheered for by all of the naysayers up above and he is after.

He hasn't gone all out against Harper either, but probably equal doses for and against, just as he did before. He's certainly not a kool-aid drinking, talking points regurgitating conservative, that's for sure.

And now he has, or promises, something big. And obviously that has a lot of Conservative-supporters quite nervous.

As I've said, I think you may find that Garth on a weak leash is better than Garth on no leash at all.

Ted
Cerberus

The Garth is The Garth.

Eugene: Absolutely---and in doing so, it reveals the thoughts, opinions and ideas that swarm in a particular blogger's mind. Seeing that Garth Turner holds (held) an important position, I find it very informative to read these thoughts, opinions and ideas. It is certainly helpful in seeing where he stands on a variety of issues. But a blogger understands, or should understand, what he or she writes down and sends out to the world is open to public scrutiny. Otherwise, go out and buy a journal and a pen, write your thoughts and ideas down there and tuck them under your pillow.

RE: Turner mused, -In my partisan nakedness these days, I'm feeling pretty damn good . . .

That almost sounds like a Liberal hint. lol

IMO, one thing Canada really needs to reduce Garth, is emissions from cheesy, naked Liberal politicians.

I challenged Garth Turner over at his own blog. If this hasn't been about him all along, then prove it. Resign your seat and run in a by-election, which is precisely what you demanded of David Emerson when he went to another party. If Garth Turner does that, then all the critics will have been proven wrong. If he doesn't, then Kate's characterization is pretty much bang-on.

I see the media already salivating over Turner. They haven't mentioned the potential hypocrisy of not resigning his seat if he chooses to go Green. I hope some of them start doing their jobs. I'm not sure if I should start holding my breath, though.

Ted wrote: "I would put this post in the pre-emptive innoculation category"

Well, you're mistaken. I've been thinking about doing this "screenshot" for some weeks now.

When Mr. Attention Seeker popped back into the news today, note that he didn't actually have anything to say. Just a "promise" to reveal something in the future - "... by God, keep your eyes on Garth because ...."

If that isn't classic attention seeking behavior, I don't know what is.

There's nothing special about today. Just Garth "me me me me me" Turner, being his self-absorbed self.

Even Terrell Owens has learned to be a team player these days.

The folks in Halton actually still like him a fair bit. He was elected to represent Halton.

Harper is who he is. I don't mind him too much. Not my favourite but he's what we have. I gave him a pass in March 2005 on that basis.

I'm not clear on the "secret" Garth revealed, maybe he coded it and will disclose his code on Tuesday. How Scary? An MP talking. To people. In Canada. I'm not making this up.

Do you remember what happened to the Conservatives last time Garth Turner was an MP. In fact, he was Minister of Finance under Kim Campbell.

Because of his immense talents and political acumen the party was reduced to two seats across Canada!!!!

Turner seems like the kiss of death to any political party. I want to start a petition for him to join the Liberals.

Kate: "Well, you're mistaken. I've been thinking about doing this "screenshot" for some weeks now."

I have no reason to doubt you on your word so I won't.

Kate: "When Mr. Attention Seeker popped back into the news today, note that he didn't actually have anything to say. Just a "promise" to reveal something in the future - "... by God, keep your eyes on Garth because ...." If that isn't classic attention seeking behavior, I don't know what is.
There's nothing special about today. Just Garth "me me me me me" Turner, being his self-absorbed self."

I'm certainly not going to disagree with that truism. Like I said, he is no different now than he was when being cheered for getting back into politics and getting back into government. Only now he's not on the team which for some means he must be against the team.

As for making announcements for he sake of announcements, Mr. Harper has become the master of that despite being the master at criticizing that type of politicking. How many times did he announce there would be an announcement about the environment? The press just eat that up too. Take his press releases and "announcements" and spit them out.

So at least we know Turner comes honestly by his announcements for the sake of getting attention.

Ted
Cerberus

Ted you can take money to the bank that absolutely no conservative is concerned about what Turner is going to do.

There are however some liberals scratching their heads over rumours persisting that Garth is going green. Seems they may be concerned about the Green party getting traction in Ontario and watering down the lib-left base.

Garth Turner has always been Garth Turner: opinionated and egotistical (among other things). However,he was in trouble (and he knew it) the moment he rightly questioned Harper's ethics and accountability for the cabinet appointments of Emerson and Fortier.

It has now become quite clear that in order to remain in good standing with Harper one must never question The Great Leader or offer one's own opinion. A boot licking sycophant is the only thing he will tolerate; mean spirited pettiness is what you get if you don't kiss his butt. Fortunately, most Canadians can see this and it is reflected by recent polling numbers. I think it says a lot that a leaderless, corrupt party ranks almost as high as the Conservatives.

Stephen Harper and the Conservatives: working for official opposition status.

"Ted you can take money to the bank that absolutely no conservative is concerned about what Turner is going to do."

I'd be broke if I relied on that. Judging from the comments here, the comments Turner gets on his own blog, the three letters Turner mentions in the article, etc. it does indeed seem like a lot of conservative folks are generally concerned about what Turner does.

Ted
Cerberus

Ted,

The only post I see in the "pre-emptive innoculation category" is yours.

Well he said he had some "distrubing" news to share.

Perhaps it relates to the letters he received from the PMO. Perhaps he is going to say there was some comfy fur offered, highly doubt that, something about the lack of committment on a green plan, or somehow "The Garth" (trademark) has been offended somehow.

Turner is a Conservative by nature, fiscal at least, but yes he is a bit of a showboater. Cant imagine him in cabinet, he'd be leaking everything everywhere.

Turner is nothing more and has never been anything more than another old "red tory" weasel obstructionist hiding in the weeds waiting to do what he can to hurt the "real" Conservative cause.

Hint: Real Conservatives are not socialists; never have been...except in Kanada.

How is Turner a socialist??? I must be missing something..

Iberia,

Conservative leader is an oxymoron as they don't lead; they dictate. Harper is no different, his caucus is a closed shop filled with loyal boot lickers. You can always tell the ones who question and make suggestions...they're the ones banished to the back pew of the holy church of conservatism.

To stay on topic...

Blogs are all about the individual 'me', witness the head and shoulders pic and the gazing at the unlit tailight of the Japanese bike pics in the left frame of this blog.

Conservatism by it's very own nature is unilateral and only exists as a brief respite when Liberalism goes over the top. Unilateralism is Bush's undoing and will be mini-Bush's failing as well.

Wow. A blogger talking about himself? Shouldn't he be talking about someone he knows nothing about?

Yeah, you wouldn't want an MP to tell the public who they are, and what they are working on, that's why Solberg shut his blog down.

“Fortunately, most Canadians can see this and it is reflected by recent polling numbers. I think it says a lot that a leaderless, corrupt party ranks almost as high as the Conservatives.”

If this is true then it does say a lot.

A lot about the electorate in the “vote rich” areas of Canada and a lot about those that champion a corrupt party.

At least Garth was upfront about the travesty of the Income Trust backflip. Solberg had nothing but weasel words. My own MP, Cummins, hasn't replied to my letter, nor did the various insiders whose blackberry addresses I found on Garth's website.

It's nice to have a voice in Ottawa.

A lot of the comments on Turner's blog oppose him for the same reasons many on this blog provide - his narcissistic focus on himself and his constant assertions that he, alone, is right.

As for your comparison of Turner's pre-announcement that he will make an announcement - with that of Harper's regular pre-announcements, Ted (Cerberus) - this is an invalid comparison. A PM must inform all interested citizens (not just the press) of important issues that will be announced. This enables them to assign some staff members to cover that announcement. That's professionalism.

Turner is not the PM or even a leader of a party. Therefore, he's doing what he's always doing - grandstanding and seeking the limelight.

And, I don't think that 'a lot' of Conservatives are concerned about Turner; there are lots more than the total sum of those on this blog and who posted on Turner's blog. There may be prurient soap-opera interest, which is the only interest he is now able to attract - but, there is no genuine or respectful or intelligent interest. Those are two different types of interest!

You said it Kate................

I'm going to make a prediction about what Garth Turner is trying to do here.

It looks like he's decided to go Green, yet he needs a reason to distract people from the fact that he won't resign his seat, which is what he asked of Emerson. So he's going to accuse Harper of all kinds of unprecedented measures in kicking him out of caucus, hoping it will give the media enough to chew on without pursuing questions about resigning his own seat.

Knowing how much the media is dependent on Garth Turner as a source of news, real or otherwise, it just might work.

Give me a break, ET.

Example: The Conservatives whined about about the lack of a Liberal plan for the environment for over a decade. Yet they really were just using that as a foil and had no plan of their own. After getting elected they were very surprised at just how much Canadians had actually believed them and took them at their word. Pressure mounted last March for some details - any details at all - of this made in canada solution that had been promised for so long. Problem was that they didn't have clue what they wanted to do. Unfortunately, that wasn't a good enough answer to the public.

So what did they do... back in March 2006?

They announced that they would have an announcement about their environmental plan in ... October 2006.

But that is just professionalism, I guess. ET, do you think that that was enough time to "assign some staff members to cover that announcement"?

The press of course even put it on the front page as "news". And these are supposed to be the liberal biased media.

I will grant you that it was different than Turner's announcement. Turner's announcement was intended to generate interest and focus on him and what he had to say. The Conservative announcement (in the case of the environment) was intended to distract everyone's interest and focus on the fact that they had nothing to say.

It's one thing to announce your intentions about policy, it's another to keep announcing your intentions about yourself, which is what Turner is doing here.

Even when the government does it, they give you something: a made-in-Canada plan, use of intensity targets, etc.

Turner? You'll just have to wait for the "disturbing" details. The soap opera continues.

david brown- your criticism against 'blogs are about the self' is invalid.

Blogs are the creations of one or a few individuals. In some cases, they permit comments; in other cases they don't. But their agenda is to discuss issues of interest to the blog-owner. So- what's your point? You could equally say that patented inventions are 'about the self' because the patents list the names of the inventors.

How do you know the nature of Harper's caucus? You call them 'loyal boot-lickers'. How do you know this?
Could you define the nature of the Liberal caucus - which kicked Parrish out for disagreeing with Martin, or the NDP, which kicked out a woman (name?) for disagreeing with the PartyLine on SSM? I'm curious how you know enough to define the CPC as 'bootlickers'.

Also- your definition of the Conservatives as 'unilateral'. Could you provide proof of this? I'm sure you realize that your assertion isn't proof.

Also- I'm sure you know that sometimes multilateralism is the correct tactic in coming to a decision -- as in the Softwood agreement which includes both Canadian and US gov'ts and provinces and key industries.

Other times, it's bilateralism - as in the Afghanistan mission, which included the Liberal Party. Or multilateralism, because this is a NATO operation and Canada is a member of NATO.

At other times, it's multilateralism, in their stance against violent crime which is supported by large cities, many citizens, and police - but not by the Liberals or NDP.

At other times, its bilateralism, in the agreement with Quebec to finish Hwy 30- something flung out for years by the Liberals only at election time but never actually agreed on.

At other times, it's bilateral, such as the income trust decision, required because so many of the big companies, such as BCE, were moving to remove their profits from taxation. Rather similar to Martin's moving his shipping company out of reach of Canadian taxes. Taxes, by the way, aren't an evil; they pay for such things as our health care, our roads, our education.

At other times, its unilateralism, such as Harper's courageous insistence at the francophone meeting that criticism by that group of the Lebanese war had to be even handed and not just and only against Israel.

So?

Ted - your are 'mixing metaphors'.

Environment is a 'big issue', an emotional utopian issue, for many Canadians. It's filled with lots of misinformation, apocalyptic disaster scenarios and equally, utopian futures When All Will Be Well.

Any gov't therefore has to inform Canadians that they are working on this high-interest and highly publicized in the MSM issue -. But, any gov't would be irresponsible if they came up with a plan in anything less than several months of hard work.

An environmental plan announcement is completely different from the PM's informing the public that 'in a day or two' the Gov't will reveal its plan for: violent crime or clean air or reduced taxes or..whatever. That's an entirely different type of announcement - and you know it.

It will be interesting to say the least if Turner joins the Liberals, without resigning his seat to run in a by-election first, as he stated should be the case when it applied to Stronach and Emerson.

If that's the case, Turner will probably attempt to deflect criticism against him by saying that he did "consult" his constituents before the move and that they did approve. Simply "consulting" (whatever that means) will not be good enough.

Turner demanded nothing short of by-elections for both Stronach and Emerson, so how could he say that such a standard shouldn't be demanded of him?

I have no doubt whatsoever that Turner will not be joining the Liberal caucus.

For one, there is not numerical need for him to sit in caucus.

For two, the interim leader would never do that so soon before the real leader gets chosen.

For three, why would we want him? Who wants that kind of trouble. Much better to have a useful idiot out there calling himself a conservative.

Why would Turner resign his seat and run in a by-election if he joined another caucus? He is not in the Conservative caucus. He was removed by the Conservative caucus from the Conservative caucus despite being elected as a Conservative by the electors of Halton. If he became Green then he wouldn't be leaving the Conservative caucus because he has already been removed from it!

Give me a break. Emerson was totally different. He was elected a Liberal and choose to quit the Liberal caucus and join the Conservative caucus. Turner isn't leaving anything.

Honestly, GT is a political opportunist who found himself in a position of little power or influence with very little opportunity for improvement ...

He will probably make some (unproveable) claims tomorow to increase his reputation in order to improve his position in whatever party he ends up in. It is likely that he wants to become the environmental critic in the Liberal party of Canada and hopes that making a bombshell announcement will aid in that goal ...