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All Canadians are equal...except the 1st Nations and now the French Canadians are "more" equal. Who's next in line for more equality?

"Any action that elevates the status of one segment of Canadian society over another is completely wrong." sounds like the incoherent babble you'd expect from Phil Fontaine.

That's the kind of logic we used to see in a original series Star Trek show where Kirk would defeat a nasty robot with circular logic and then it's head would explodes.....hmmm, that doesn't sound too bad.

Let's try it, Phil, everything I tell you is a lie, "I'm telling the truth about this".....

Phil apparently hasn't read our Charter, which states that it's just dandy to treat people unequally.

The old saw, 'You are unique, same as everyone else' is starting to ring a bell in this whole nation debate.

Um Phil - you're just p'od that now you are not the only people can have "nation" status.

Obviously, Phil hasn't heard that the people he continually rallies for are called First "Nations".

Phil must be against the segment of Society that have taken action to get good educations which have resulted in jobs that give elevated tax rate payer status.

He can prove the strength of his convictions against elevated segments of Society by tearing up his paycheque this month. Disgustingly dirty money originating in large part from the privileged elevated tax rate payers of Canada.

I think this is a brilliant trend to dissipate this whole business.

PMSH just has to make an announcement every week and by the end of next year, we will all be unique nations, just like everyone else.

I hereby proclaim the formation of the "Nation of Earl". We are unique and deserve all the recognition, protection and tax benefits we can get.

All Canadians are equal.

But some are more equal than others.

Oh boy, the folks in Caledonia would be seeing red right about now!

If Fontaine keeps it up, he will prove himself to be as irrelevant as the Bloc is now shown to be.

Harper made a mistake.
Instead of "nation" he should have used "tribe" for Quebecois.
Then Phil Fontaine would be mollified, - Canada - "the nation of Tribes."
That 's more inclusive. Now were all equal, eh?
Well maybe not, next thing we'll be hearing from Atilla's Hungarian tribe out in Esterhazy for being left out.

I hereby proclaim the formation of the "Nation of Earl". We are unique and deserve all the recognition, protection and tax benefits we can get.

You Earls already have your own TV show. How greedy can you get?

Have a heart for the Iroquois, will ya?

"They bound the prisoners hand and foot, rekindled the fire, slung the kettles, cut the bodies of the slain to pieces, and boiled and devoured them before the eyes of the wretched survivors. "In a word," says the narrator [that is, the Algonquin woman who escaped to tell the tale], "they ate men with as much appetite and more pleasure than hunters eat a boar or a stag ..."

The conquerors feasted in the lodge till nearly daybreak ... then began their march homeward with their prisoners. Among these were three women, of whom the narrator was one, who had each a child of a few weeks or months old. At the first halt, their captors took the infants from them, tied them to wooden spits, placed them to die slowly before a fire, and feasted on them before the eyes of the agonized mothers, whose shrieks, supplications, and frantic efforts to break the cords that bound them were met with mockery and laughter"

http://library.flawlesslogic.com/lifestyles.htm

Of the above account, Parkman writes: "Revolting as it is, it is necessary to recount it. Suffice it to say, that it is sustained by the whole body of contemporary evidence in regard to the practices of the Iroquois and some of the neighboring tribes."

The "large scaffold" on which the prisoners were placed, is elsewhere in his narrative referred to by Parkman as the Indians' "torture-scaffolds of bark," the Indian equivalent of the European theatrical stage, while the tortures performed by the Indians on their neighbors -- and on the odd missionary who happened to fall their way -- were the noble savages' equivalent of the European stage play.

If the descendants of the New England tribes now devote their time to selling tax-free cigarettes, running roulette wheels or dealing out black jack hands, rather than to the capture, torture, and consumption of their neighboring tribesmen, should we not give thanks to those brave Jesuits who sacrificed all to redeem these "native Americans"?

It's time for the Rider 'Nation' to unite and become one. We want to be recognized! We are unique-er? than anybody else in Canada.
Heh

... except when elevating First Nations, that is, right Phil?

The most important nation of course is Leafs Nation.

from syracuse.com/news/poststandard...The Onondaga Tribe wants a 40 mile wide strip of land that stretches from the St. Lawrence River to PA.

Panel pushes for tribal rights

Tuesday, November 28, 2006
By Mike McAndrew
Staff writer

When people opposed to Native American tribal sovereignty ask "Aren't we all just Americans?" Scott Lyons has an answer.

"Not exactly," according to Lyons.

Lyons, a Syracuse University assistant professor and director of the Center for Indigenous Studies at St. John Fisher College, said the U.S. Constitution and Supreme Court recognized Native American tribes as sovereign governments.

Lyons, a member of the Ojibwe tribe, was one of three panelists to tackle the issue of sovereignty Monday night at Syracuse Stage in the final lectures of a yearlong series focusing on the Onondaga Nation and its land claim suit against New York state.

He said few people object when Native American nations exert sovereignty by creating programs to teach their own languages. But when native governments assert economic sovereignty - by running casinos and filing land claims - friction often occurs, Lyons noted.

In the Syracuse area, the Onondaga Nation land rights action and sovereignty claims have caused less angst than other tribes' claims in other areas of the state, said Richard Loder, director of SU's Native American Studies program. He said that's because the Onondaga are using the suit to try to force the state to clean up the environment and they've invited their non-native neighbors to join in that effort.

Also on the panel was Tonya Gonnella Frichner, an Onondaga Nation member and founder of the American Indian Law Alliance.

Frichner has been part of a 21-year effort to get the United Nations to adopt a nonbinding declaration supporting the rights of indigenous people throughout the world.

She said leaders of the Haudenosaunee - a confederacy of six Indian nations in New York - realized decades ago that they had to take their sovereignty battles to the international community and not rely on U.S. politicians and courts.

Today, a U.N. committee might vote to postpone consideration of the declaration. Frichner said that would be a serious setback and could kill efforts to get the declaration approved by the U.N. General Assembly. She said the United

States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand have been leading the opposition to the declaration.

About 150 people attended the two-hour program, which was sponsored by SU, the State University College of Environmental Science and Forestry and Neighbors of the Onondaga Nation, a citizens group.

The Onondaga Nation filed a land claim suit against New York in March 2005, seeking title to a 40-mile-wide swath stretching from the Thousand Islands to Pennsylvania. New York has asked a federal judge to dismiss the case, contending the Onondaga waited too long to sue.

"All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others."
I think George Orwell was on to something...

The way the world is operating these days, you wonder if anyone even knows what hypocrisy means anymore.

What about the Honda Nation?

Fontaine took lessons from Grey Owl.

Lovat Dickson, Grey Owl's publisher, whitey from Saskatchewan, was conned by Grey Owl, too.

Phil said to Martin at Kelowna (paraphrased): What's 5 $billion? make it 10 $billion. Ugh. ...-

Almost as soon as the man known as GREY OWL died in a Prince Albert, Sask., hospital on April 13, 1938, his many secrets began to emerge into the open air. That same day, The North Bay Nugget ran a story it had sat on for three years, revealing that the famous Indian naturalist was actually an Englishman named Archie Belaney. ...-
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My reaction is one of astonishment... Fontaine is a complete hypocrite to be saying such a thing... Those watching and listening over the years will have no doubt as to the true agenda of the politicians and activists of the Canadian Aboriginal community.

One need only look at the situation in Caledonia, in which the Aboriginals are being treated by Ontario and the police as if they're exempt from the law, no matter what they do! Where was Fontaine? I'm unaware that he said a thing. Haven't heard anything from him. Is it, therefore, the way he wants things to be? Aboriginals exempt from the laws of Canada, allowed to do whatsoever they please?

Are the Aboriginals supremacists of some kind? Do they think they're superior to all who don't have any "Aboriginal" ancestry at all? Isn't that racist?

What about the Honda Nation?

--I think it's being surpassed by the Toyota Nation...

I AM A NATION. YYYYAAAHHHH!

Go Howard Dean.

I gave up on BMW Motorcycles and have transferred my loyalty to the Nation of Yamaha, which is not Indian.

Very hypocritical. From what I gather though, this bill is nothing more than an empty title to appease Quebec and halt an acutal separation bill.

Everyone is late on this one. Don't forget Charles Adler has been yipping and yapping about the "Adler Nation" for some time now. He's not only a puffed up baffoon, he's now got his own Buffoon Nation.

The UN and universitys and environmentals are often dismayed that people shot buffalo from trains when the West was won.

So UNESCO declares Fort Macleod, the site where Indian braves ran whole herds of bison off a cliff, to be a World Heritage Site and IIRC they also got Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson to attend the opening of the museum built at the site.

Here is the story from the Head-Smashed_In web site.

-Located 18 km north & west of Fort Macleod, Alberta, Canada at a place where the foothills of the Rocky Mountains meet the great plains, one of the world's oldest, largest and best preserved buffalo jump's known to exist -- Head-Smashed-In. Designated as a UNESCO World Heritage Site in 1981, Head-Smashed-In has been used continuously by aboriginal peoples of the plains for more than 5,500 years.

Why is this place a World Heritage Site?

Head-Smashed-In Buffalo Jump is known around the world as a remarkable testimony of prehistoric life. Head-Smashed-In Buffalo Jump bears witness to a custom practiced by native people of the North American plains for nearly 6000 years.

Thanks to their excellent understanding of topography and of bison behavior, they killed bison by chasing them over a precipice and subsequently carving up the carcasses in the camp below.

In 1981, the United Nations Educational Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) designated the jump as a World Heritage Site placing it among other world attractions such as the Egyptian pyramids, Stonehenge and the Galapagos Islands. For more information, consult www.unesco.org

Sitting Bull wasn't around any more than I was when what he described happened.

Neither he nor I were affected in any way whatsoever by what may have happened a long, long, long time ago.

He identifies with victims from long, long, long ago simply via genetics. I cannot even do that.

So does this mean that he's a victim via genetics and therefore deserves to have the land known as Canada handed over to him and others of similar geneticity? What happens to me and all who don't share that geneticity, then? Do we become slaves? Do we get exectuted, exiled?

The whole thing is racist.

And don't forget that, when all the "treaties" are added up, they amount to more land mass than Canada even encompasses.

I'm sick of all that racism going on. Anyone, anyone at all who claims to be entitled to things from the state on the basis of genetic heritage relating to folks who lived centuries ago... is a racist in my book.

People should seek equality under the circumstances to which we are all subject in the present.

I would never surrender any of my property to anyone for any reason whatsoever, certainly not just 'cause they're of a certain "race" or "ancestry" and I'm not.

Meanwhile, there's an occupation going on... and the left/MSM don't give a crap because the occupiers are of a "special race" with special exemptions...

Hope that's not too politically incorrect to be acceptable speech... after all, we've heard far worse, with the left/MSM condoning it all...

This is OT, but I just watched BS ask a question in the HofC. She is no longer blonde. I think it was her, in black hair. Will that stop all the dumb blond jokes about her. If we have to give back all land to the natives, it must be given back in its original condition. Just think, kyoto targets could be met. Or, the natives have to pay for all the improvements to said land and can't take possession until paid in full. I have had it with native rights and muslims. Harper got rid of the status of women funding, court challenge program, so why can't he get rid of the dept of indian affairs and stop all funding.

Fontaine is an excellent example of why so many natives end up living in poverty. As the best and brightest they can find to act as their chief spokesperson and representative he is truly a disappointment. No grasp on reality at all!

An ideologically hidebound dullard with about as much sense as a child and a proven propensity for putting one's self interest before his constituent's... is the mark of a dyed in the wool liberal style politician and no one to hold up as an example. Pitiful

Maybe a little OT ... maybe not.

Scotland / England / UK on Captains Quarters. The desires of those that want to leave are only exceeded by those that want them to leave.

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Sentinel i hate to break this to you but "sitting bull" isn't native . he's putting up what he did about the iriquois to make them look like a bunch of cannibals and baby killers . What somebody wrote a few centuries ago, probably a third or fourth hand account has to do with the quebecois as a nation or what phil phontaine said i'm not sure, but wow , the comments on here are sure going to give the liberals ammo , if nothing else . about

John, ... i hate to break this to you but "sitting bull" isn't native.

And sir, you know this for a fact because...

John,you are quite right.A third or fourth hand account is meaningless,except,of course,if it a native telling about a land claim or the intent of a treaty. Then,by god,it has to be the truth. BTW, I would never be happy being a nation,WallyWorld rocks.

i'd answer that question again but i already did. anyways , i'm too busy hiding my work boots , tearing down all my interior walls , trying to squeeze some lysol through a loaf of bread , stealing the neighbors bycycle, , might as well break in and get his vanilla while i'm at it , looking for my welfare cheque , damn there it is under my work boots . ok now i can go get realy fkn drunk eh . there ya go white boy did i miss anything ? oh yeah , i'm gonna go spotlight a pregnant deer before i get too drunk and shoot the neighbors cow.

Phil....have you looked at the Job Postings for the Prov & Fed Govts lately???? they ALL read,,,,MUST BE OF ABORIGINAL ANCESTORY nothing else......NO ONE ELSE NEED APPLY...........or must have a degree in FIRST NATIONS SOCIAL WORK???? never heard of that course goes to show you have to be indian to be a social worker on the reserves also....what a bunch of crap Phil.........

John, maybe I missed something here but where did you find out your "facts". I gather from the rant that you are native or at least parially so. Does this make you an expert on what happened 200 - 300 years ago? And if so then why? If my third or fourth hand-me-down story is full of it then why is yours not? Were you there?

BTW, what makes you so sure I'm a "white boy"? You have only suceeded in making yourself look foolish with a chip on your shoulder.

well Texas Canuck when i read the first comment i got a little angry . Then i read the iriquois torture piece , i got a lttle bit confused.Then i read this "All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others."
I think George Orwell was on to something...

Posted by: Texas Canuck at November 28, i got a bit more confused and had to wonder why the animals got related to natives . Apart from that i have no chip on my shoulder . I work along with several other people of native origin , just as hard as everybody else, six days a week ,ten or twelve hours a day , weather and daylight permiting and pay my taxes . As for the rant i just thought i'd save a few people a bunch of brainwracking trying to remember the usual indian stories . I don't agree with every treaty claim or land claim or everything any of our so-called "leaders " say either . but thats just me .

john, better get a copy of Animal Farm by George Orwell. Basically a story about animals on a farm that take over with everyone being "equal". As in real life socialism etc, pretty soon some are more equal than others. I find it mildly ironic (in a sad way) that Mr fontaine, spokesperson for Canada's First Nations is saying that giving someone else the label "nation" will somehow be detrimental to society. Sort of like the pot calling the kettle black.

BTW, Orwell's book could just as easily refer to the NDP or Liberal idealists that try to shape society as they think it should be.

'Heard Phil-any-action-that-elevates-the-status-of-one-segment-of-Canadian-society-over-another-is-completely-wrong-Fontaine saying on CBC radio news tonight that the First Nations are feeling "left out."

Well, boo-hoo, Phil-baby. Cry me a river.

i don't agree with the ndp or the liberals or phil fontaine or neccessarily the conservatives all the time either. i just do not understand why as soon as a native says something , no matter about what, things start like the first comment on this post. i don't see anybody arguing with that . as far as orwell goes , it's just a book . i read it a long time ago . look , i'm not trying to start an uprising or defend phil fontaine or get on anybodys case but if you have an arguement with him go ahead . leave the drunk , cannibalism , unemployed crap out of it . i'm not sitting here comparing every white person to clifford olsen , paul bernardo ,adolph hitler jeffry dahlmer ,alberto mussolini ,timothy mcvey, joseph stalin, vladimer putin,or even charles manson, ok?

john demarais: A little thin-skinned are you?

One of the main differences between Phil Fontaine and his agenda (aside from the fact that he's not a murderer--and I don't see anywhere on this thread that he's been accused of that) and your list of monsters, "clifford olsen , paul bernardo ,adolph hitler jeffry dahlmer ,alberto mussolini ,timothy mcvey, joseph stalin, vladimer putin, or even charles manson," is that they haven't been getting, or never got, billions of dollar$ of taxpayer's money.

Phil Fontaine, who lives with feminazi lawyer Kathleen Mahoney, a Professor of Law at the U. of Calgary, has been sucking off the public teat for a LONG, LONG time--and I see no perceptible improvements in the standard of living of his First Nations under his leadership (what's he talking about, he and his Nation are feeling "left out?"). While he lives high off the hog, government-sponsored, of course--the people of his Nation have one of the most dismal standards of living of any group anywhere in Canada: lousy housing, lousy health care, and lousy schools.

I'd have more empathy for the guy if I could see that he was putting the governement gazillions that his Nation receives every year to good use. The $$$ seems to be squandered, while First Nations people live with unprecedented rates of cancer, drug and alcohol addiction, live in substandard housing, and in many places turn to illegal operations, like cigarette smuggling, to enhance their meagre resources.

Where the HECK is all the money going? Maybe Phil Fontaine could answer that?

ontario is a nation too!!!

headline from CBCpravda
Ontario, U.S. sewage fouling Great Lakes: study

lets nation of quebec, first nations , and Albadboys nation off the hook.

then ask phil fontaine . like i said before , i don't agree with him on everything . it's a good question .
comment #one -- Ya, wish i could live on a reservation, get drunk and do nothing with my life too.

Posted by: Al
is what i got pissed off about and nobody is arguing or disagreeing with that . i don't live on a res and i work for a living . the comment i made about the serial killers is that they're all white . i don't believe for a minute that all white people are serial killers . but a hell of a lot of people are ready and eager to believe that all natives are drunks that do nothing but lay around reserves. i still don't see the need for racist remarks and name calling . i also apologise for the white boy comment but if that offends you then i guess you know how being called drunk and lazy feel to me .my tax dollars are paying fontaine too and i don't think i'm getting my moneys worth. things have to change but racist remarks and name calling by anybody aren't going to do that.

I laughed so hard.

Phil...you belong on the Comedy Central channel.

Laughter endlessly.

My stress level has dropped.

Thanks Phil.

I'm this close to giving some of you the permanent heave ho.

Those of you who respond to this crap are just as bad. Don't respond - you turn drive-bys into flamewars. Read the rules. Send me an email if it's particularly offensive.