The distraught family of a dead 16 year old boy allege racism on the part of justice officials who have not yet charged the man who took his life.
“If he was a native man and he killed a white man it would be first-degree murder,”
The Calgary Sun quotes uncle, Rick Bear Hat;
“He has taken a kid’s life over jumper cables,”
(They were wrapped around his neck at the time.)
Mugger tries to rob someone and physically assaults the victim. Mugger winds up dead when victim defends himself. THAT’S justice.
See also: “The grey area of self-defence”
“I got him on the ground,” the Burlington man recounted yesterday. “We stopped fighting for a second and I was standing overtop of him and I said: ‘Don’t move. The police are on their way. I’ve got two kids in the house. If you move, I’ll kill you.’ ”
Mr. Shaxon did not kill him, but he delivered a serious beating on the 16-year-old boy, who later told police he was so inebriated that night he “mistakenly” stumbled into the wrong house.
Now, it turns out, Mr. Shaxon may face criminal charges for his defensive manoeuvres”
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=4cdedeb4-f847-4c29-9def-124c2a242031&k=16026&p=1
Before all the political correctness, rehabillitate only, soft on crime, rampant peer pressure, spoiling bad apples, drugs, introductory pot a la Chretien,.. the story would have gone like this;
“Sir ?, may I borrow your jumper cables ??”
“Oh, well, yes.”
“Thank you sir. Car is running now, they did the trick. Thanks again, eh”
It is still like this in some “backward” countries.
“He said because of the complexity of the case and the serious consequences it could take weeks before such a decision.” said Wong
Complexities? Punk tried to rob him and threatened to rape his girlfriend. Fellow robbers even back up couples version. I smell C.Y.A. from the Calgary Police Force.
As for Mama Bear Hat: Suck it up Princess. You reap what you sow.
If it happened as described in the Edmonton Sun, the little creep got what he deserved. End of story.
Even if they do not rule that it was excessive force some bleading heart will surely claim that the man had no right to be armed with a knife. Read… no right to protect himself.
This is one case where the parents are a major part of the kid’s problem.
They deserve a criminal charge here, like failure to provide the essentials of life for their children. Failure to provide any sort of minimal moral upbringing is just as serious as failure to provide food/clothing/shelter.
…ok I’m confused…
“The stabbing happened Monday night after Kyfer attempted to rob a man, who was walking his girlfriend to a bus stop on Falshire Dr. S.W., with a set of jumper cables.”
– Kyfer Bear Hat was trying to rob the couple with booster cables?
– The ‘robbee’ stabbed the robber with a knife?
– Who’s knife, the robbee or robber’s?
“Friends of the teen who fled right after the stabbing, as well as independent witnesses, corroborated the couples’ story, said acting homicide Staff Sgt. Patty McCallum.”
– The robber’s buddies all took off and concurr with the robbee’s statement? At least they are honest.
Rick Bear Hat, Kyfer’s uncle says:
“despite the robbery attempt, he believes the man used excessive force towards his nephew.”
– Force? How do you measure force when a gang of teenagers are attacking and threating to rape your girlfriend?
– and…
“the meeting (with homicide detectives) left the family even more confused and frustrated.”
– Who frustrated? Me, society, or the punk’s family who can’t see the forest for the trees?
– One thing to greive the loss of your son doing something stupid, another to blame it on racism.
But this is Canada, where one can be charged for defending home and property and criminals walk free.
I’m mking the call on his parents (in the above post) because they obviously didn’t teach his sister the basics of morals either.
The part where his friends drive off and leave him to die alone in the field is telling and should be repeated over and over again to teens and their parents. Peer pressure can and does turn deadly. IMHO, many teens need to be watched almost as closely as toddlers. Parents need to KNOW where are they, who they are with and what are they doing.
So what else is new?
When Islam comes to take over Canada once and for all, what do you think the response will be?
“Oh please Mr. Mohammed, let’s make sure I don’t hurt YOU, because that would be a violation of YOUR fredoms in the Charter of Rights.
Here’s my throat….”
Isn’t it amazing when some try to take a black and white issue and try mixing in shades of grey?
You try to kill me by strangling me with jumper cables, man you are going down..
“All graveyards are filled with people who lay without the luxury of remorse,nor second chances”
There may be a little confusion at the Edmonton Sun, I heard young Bear Hat wrapped the jumper cables around the woman’s neck.
On second thought, maybe it’s deliberate confusion, after all, where’s the controversy and where’s the traditional Edmonton anti-police lefty journalist agenda if the woman was being choked?
i agree what the would be robber got what he deserves…let’s see how many times this want to be robber has been charged in the past and given a “chance” by the legal system and how that “chance” did not take …….but of course it is always us white people’s fault what the native’s do cause we introduced white lightning to them a million years ago…same old story and excuses.
They’re wondering whether charges need to be laid?
They won’t lay ANY. The little bastard tried to strangle the guy and threatened to rape his girlfriend.
If the guy didn’t defend himself and his girlfriend, the story in the Sun would have read “Mugger Strangles, Robs man, Rapes Girlfriend,” and then the usual “community activists” would be claiming the need for mercy upon the killer because of his “poverty-based background.”
“There may be a little confusion at the Edmonton Sun, I heard young Bear Hat wrapped the jumper cables around the woman’s neck.”
The plot thickens.
All i can say….one less criminal on the streets!!
When I was a kid my family moved to a small town in SK that was very close to 3 or 4 Reservations. I was in Grade 2 at the time. Within a couple of weeks I had a knife pulled on me by an aboriginal kid that was maybe in grade 4 or 5, can’t really remember. This was about 20 years ago. A few years ago I remember reading about him in the newspaper – he was convicted of murdering somebody in North Central Regina. I don’t know how to fix this problem. But admitting that there is a real problem with Aboriginals and crime and addressing it would be a start. I’m tired of hearing about how we need to take into account their upbringing in poverty and how “unfair” the system is in regards to the high ration of aboriginals in our jails. When you do the crime, you do the time. The ratio is a non-issue. I like the conservative stance on major crimes and I hope the country warms to what Stephen Harper is aiming us. It’s refreshing to have a government that thinks a little differently.
Now I suppose the Lieberals will try to introduce a bill in the HOC to ban jumper cables…
…ooops.
I forgot to add, /sarcasm off.
“IMHO, many teens need to be watched almost as closely as toddlers”
Teens = Toddlers with hormones
Joe C No need to ban cables just register them.
Live like an ass hat, die like an ass hat.
I cannot help but mourn the violent death of a 16 years old kid, even if I didn’t know him. I remember well the days when I and my male peers were around 13-17, “young, dumb, and full of cum” doesn’t do justice to the magnitude of our youthful stupidity. Fortunately, most of us managed to avoid serious crime or serious harm to others.
God only knows where we would have ended up if we were raised with everyone around us constantly teaching us that all the people of other races around us owed us enormous restitution.
Earlier posts said, “‘IMHO, many teens need to be watched almost as closely as toddlers’
Teens = Toddlers with hormones”
Thanks, guys. But they’ve said only part of it. The parents of the trouble makers are what I call “adult toddlers”. As a teacher, I see this burgeoning species on a regular basis. It’s sickening.
I’m altogether on the side of the “bullied”–to put it mildly–real victims here: the couple that was attacked.
Unfortunately, not only the very misguided “toddler” parents of the miscreants, but, all too often, our PC public institutions side with the perpetrator. It’s been my experience that the more we talk “anti-bullying”–in places like schools–the more the bullies are let off the hook. E.g., Teachers are bullied by parents and their dysfunctional progeny on a regular basis. Does administration support the teacher? Very often not. The “client” parent is taken at his/her false word and the teacher’s hung out to dry. It’s disgusting.
Be ready for A Clockwork Orange droogs: Here. In Canada. In our schools. On our streets. Now.
PMSH is a hero in my eyes. I hope the Conservatives are successful in clamping down on the droogs–and their irresponsible, toddler parents–who now constitute a critical mass of this sad dominion.
Calgarian,re:”young,dumb and full of cum”. I think that answers the question of whether you spit or swallow.
lookout: “burgeoning species…toddler parents”
You hit the nail on the head with that one. Very scary indeed. This species are not capable of thinking for themselves, let alone make a rational decision.
All must be spoon fed by the nanny government what is right and wrong.
Sad but true, this may become the new catch phrase describing Canadians: “Toddler Parents”
Too many parents today are from the “ME” generation, and are more concerned about the “ME” than they are about the results of their actions. Too many parents shrug their shoulders and say “well they’re only kids” because they’re too tired with both parents working to have any energy to discipline or guide their own kids (watch TV, get out of my hair, etc.), or heaven help you if you actually try to discipline your child(they have rights). When they are young is when you start teaching them manners, right from wrong, etc., waiting until they are 18 is too damn late. By playing the “race” card, the 16 year olds’ sister and family try to become victims themselves instead of taking a serious look at what their role was in the raising of the 16 year old. Using the “race” card means they want to maintain a “victim” mentality instead of being responsible for their own actions.
If some one is trying to rob you what force do you use.What ever you force you use is to defend your self and your property.Therefore self defence should should not be a crime.Excessive force, how would any know how much force is required.You cannot feel sorry for the criminal.If you play the game you must expect to get hurt at some time.In the city I live in A guy caught a thief breaking into his truck so he decked him.Guess who got charged with assualt? It was not the break and enter guy.Thats are justice system in action.You would not want the criminal to to feel bad,he has feelings you know.This is sick..sick…sick.The criminal is the one they worry about in our sick system.I would use maximum force as that might be the only chance you have.I call it self preservation.
This case reminds me of the Donald Marshall case; Marshall and Sandy Seale tried to rob a man in a Sydney, N.S. park back in the very early 1970’s.
Roy Newman Ebsary, an older man, was the victim, he fought back, stabbed Sandy Seale, killing him. Marshall meanwhile, was sent to jail for the murder of Seale, unjustifibaly, it turns out, but hey, when you try to participate in the armed robbery of someone, there are bound to be consequences, as marshall, Seale, and Ass Hat found out.
How is it possible to determine whether excessive force was used? The guy was being strangled with jumper cables and his girlfriend was being threatened with rape when he reacted.
If this guy is charged, my head will explode.
I just checked what the Calgary Herald had to say today on the story. The deceased had “learning disabilities due to fetal alcohol syndrome” and had moved to the city to escape bullying at school on the reserve. A sad story with a bad ending.
Let’s face it, if somebody walks down the street with jumper cables, he’s bound to start something!
I’m not very familiar with Canadian civil or criminal law but could the the Bear Hat family be setting the groundwork for a civil case against the civil authorities? Could they sue the other party if their is no criminal action? Could they sue the state for not pursuing a criminal case? Any help?
About seven years ago my wife and I were living in the “less seedier” part of Bowness in Calgary. I spent quite a bit of time away from home due to work but by sheer luck I was home the night a young punk high on drugs came knocking.
I anwered the door to a shaggily dressed twentyish and somewhat incoherent white kid that beligerantly insisted some female acquaintance of his was in our home and that I let him in. I told him sternly but politely to go away a few times and then told my wife to call 911 when it was obvious he wasn’t listening. Buddy was then told that he’d best make himself scarce to avoid more trouble. He IMMEDIATELY became enraged and very aggressive, trying to get push past me into the house. I blocked his progress and was able to shove him back out onto the doorstep. I slammed the door shut and deadbolted the lock about half a second before the first attempt to kick in the door was landed by the young thug.
The best thing that boy ever did was not get into our house. Without a doubt I believe he would be dead now. We were very scared and had no way of knowing what kind of threat the doped kid posed, except that he freely threatened without provocation. I knew the only thing between that creep and my wife was me. My choice would have been clear. The police showed up 5 minutes later and chased the kid into the back alley before tackling him and dragging him off (thank you, HAWC1!).
He’ll never know how close he came to a premature end. If something worse did happen that night, remorse would have been the furthest thing in my mind. Protection of my family comes before anything and if some court found me guilty of excessively protecting my family I would really be guilty of living up to my vows.
Maybe the daddy and mommy of the 16 year old should have given more positive attention and correction to their son before he made his decision to become a hoodlum. His premature end was the direct result of his own unprovoked violent actions and words, race notwithstanding.
Stab victim’s family wants justice? — They already got it!
Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6.
part of the ongoing problem of no accountability for ones own actions.
“first” nations are “first” to blame someone else.
I think a huge, huge part of this drugs/violence/crime problem is Peer Pressue. No matter how good a kid’s home life is, the bad apples can spoil it all with intimidation and threats to join or be beaten to a pulp. I’ve seen it.
The real bad ones do not fear other kids, nor their parents, nor other parents, nor the Police and especially NOT the Judges. The Punks can probably recite the Charter of Rights And Freedoms off by heart.
Im not surprised in the slightest at the assbackward response of burlington cops looking at ways to milk additional charges out of this situation.
I had a drug dealer living next door who got busted and proceeded to curse and swear and threaten me and accuse me of informing on him.
the cops did nothing despite my increasing forceful demands.
but when I told them flat out the next time the godam punk threatened me I was going to split his f’en little skinhead open with an axe, what do you think they did then?
I figured out later there were 3 possible explanation for their inaction:
– they were perfectly willing to let the little prick think it was me to protect the real informant.
– they cut a deal with him to ‘put in a good word’ with the crown attorney if he would become an informant, and thus he knew he could vent his spleen at me and get away with it or
– having seen this type of thing unfold numerous times, they were waiting to see if they could milk additional charges out of the situation.
a 4th possibility occurred to me later:
– some combination of the above 3. they are not mutually exclusive.
here in london nothing is different.
the cops have a 1.1 million dollar lawsuit on their hands having beat up a retired millionaire philanthropist in his own home. look it up. John Sharpe. detailed in the june 12 2006 local newspaper.
so anyone who gives the reflex ‘cops are tops’ are woefully misinformed. and dont come down on my head for pointing this out either, THEY are the ones bringing all the critcism their direction.
they are ‘tops’ except when no one is looking.
the truth is relevant only when is suits their agenda.
I am in the preliminary stages of putting a web site on the air ‘www.londoncopscrimesandscrewups.ca” or whatever, advertising it in the underground papers and inviting any and all to upload any provable stories they may have about cop wrongdoing.
I take it the guy who did the stabbing was white!
So, what would the story be if it was another native?
Answer: It would not have made it to the paper.
This is BS from the getgo….a stupid ass does something stupid and gets killed for it.
The racism pimps and whores all jump on board the bandwagon and do the blame the cops thing!
To what end?
Pat Patterson:
Yes, the scenario of a civil suit (either one) that you metion is possible – but not likely.
Canada’s laws are based on the same foundation as the US…with a lot of exceptions, though.
In Canada, judges have a lot more leeway to look at a stupid suit and say “Oh, come on!” and throw it out before it gets as far as it would in the US.
And lawyers here are a little more antsy about pissing off a judge than they are in the US (where you do exactly that to get headlines and, thus, more clients). So, it is unlikely that any lawyers would take it on.
There would really have to be some sort of gross mis-conduct by the police and prosecutors – like evidence that they were deiliberately conspiring, withholding evidence…that kind of stuff. I don’t think that any of that will happen. The fact that they are permitting meetings with the family involved makes it look like it’s quite transparent.
Oh – and Ken E. – You talk about the force used “to defend your self and your property.” That’s another distinction between Canuckistan and the US. Property rights (in as much as the right to defend your property) don’t exist in Canada.
For me, if someone endangered the my life and (especially) that of a family member, I would do all that I could to “neutralize” them. If that means disabling them only…fine. But, if there are more than one, then I would think you would almost certainly have to plan on killing – and quickly. You don’t want to give the others too much time to attack you as one.
If this guy gets charged, he really should seek refugee status in the US – I’m not trying to be funny. It would be interesting to at least see the new public “awareness” that Canadians would get as a result. Might shake things up here some.
Looks like this was one of the few times we’ve seen true justice in this country. Also an example of evolution in action.
Should the 16 year old really have fetal alcohol syndrome (FAS), that in my opinion would be sufficient grounds to sue the mother of the dead criminal for failure to procure an abortion. I’m sure there are some grounds like reckless endangerment one could use and it might be worthwhile to sue the mother first before the inevitable civil lawsuit comes from the losers family. FAS is preventable and if women must drink during pregnancy, there is rapid access to free abortion services in Alberta. Failure to act responsibly by the mother is completely unacceptable and she is as guilty as her son for the assault that occurred.
With regard to defending property, it may be illegal to use force to defend property in Canada, but it is not illegal to use whatever force is necessary to make a citizen’s arrest. Thus, if you walk into your house and find an intruder there once you have informed said dirtbag that you are making a citizens arrest for breaking and entering, if he suffers several broken limbs and assorted other injuries during the process of subduing him, you cannot be charged. I’m not sure about the legal details involved in this, but how to deal with individuals you come across in the process of stealing your property was communicated to me by a retired police detective.
Ironically, this is a situation which may not have turned out fatally if citizens of Canada had the right to carry concealed firearms. If the individual who was attacked and his girlfriend had both been carrying, then likely just producing a pistol and pointing it at the criminal would have resulted in him breaking off the attack. In the US 90+% of the times that an individual produces a pistol during the course of a mugging results in the criminal making a fast exit.
should have a gun not a knife
well I just sent a blistering fax to the halton regional fukwa… er cops about Mr Shaxon’s ordeal at their hands. (see 11:43 a.m.)
attacked by a drunken punk in his own home and now attacked by the cops for defending himself from the first attack.
cops nowadays are only and exclusively interested in wringing excuses out of crimes to lay charges at anyone involved including the victim. THIS is proof.
so get off your high horse o ‘cops are tops’ crowd and WAKE UP to the harsh realities of the present day agenda-driven business of law enfarcement.
why dont you call the cop shop front desk here in london the biggest hick town on the continent and ask them how goes the lawsuit by John Sharpe the frail 72 yr old millionaire they found it necessary to beat up in his own home????
‘cops are tops’ BULL
Loki: “…criminal for failure to procure an abortion.”
Sounds like you’re a big time proponent of forced abortion. Is fetal alcohol syndrome even diagnosable in the womb? Might as well just abort the baby of a drunken native to make sure, eh?
Would you support forced something else that would actually help the unborn child of a mother with FAS potential, like forcing the mother to stay clean from alcohol, drugs & solvents on threat of jail? Or does that affect reproductive “choice” too much for you?
Kate, while I disagree with you at times, posts like this are why you are one of the best bloggers in Canada. (You usually put several good observations out a day.)
regarding the citizen’s arrest route suggested by Loki, the rules are:
– it has to be a felony, a criminal offence.
– you have to personally witness the actual offence, not just the suspect fleeing etc.
– you have to maintain visual contact the whole time
– you have to advise the suspect you are making a citizen’s arrest. (this is the point at which you can pound the living crap out of them for trying to continue to flee and naturally self defence. heh heh heh)
– and finally you have to turn them over to a real cop forthwith.
voila, your first citizen’s arrest.
the rest is the part about defending your actions against all the namby pamby bleeding heart liberals bemoaning your resorting to violence to subdue the misunderstood yout’.
here’s another one to try with ANY cop shop in the country:
question: if you get assaulted, what are you supposed to do after successfully defending yourself?
do you stay as the cops like so their job of filling out the report is real easy, in which case the risk arises the fight will resume.
in that case, more possibilities arise, one is the thug calls his buddies on a cell phone and they work you over, or, you smash the living crap out of him this time to prevent a THIRD attack.
if you do that, naturally the cops will charge YOU with assault (see above, Shaxon et al) because you ‘shoulda-coulda just left but ya didnt so obviously ya waaaaaanted the fight’.
but if you do choose to leave out of concern for your safety and a distaste for violence, then what do the cops say? (as happened to me in october 2005 ‘whyjatrytagetawaaaaaay’. oh. why did I try to ‘get away’? in other words as according to sargent don campbell of the london police ‘services’ it doesnt ‘look good’ if you leave the scene of an assault).
well isnt that just grand.
no matter what you do, the fukwa… er, cops will apply whatever spin is useful to blame you for the whole thing.
true story.
go ahaead, try it.
try and get a consistent unambiguous answer what you are expected and allowed to do in the case of successfully defending yourself from assault in a public place. go ahead. try and get an answer and be sure and challenge them on the various interpretations they can drag out.
‘cops are tops’ BULL BULL BULL