Wrong Demographic

No, no...it's the opportunity of a lifetime for virtually all of the regulars on SDA.

Sounds like a golden opportunity to let everyone know they should be dipping there bullets in pigs blood.

Why isn't there a call for muslim families who are afraid of/offended by families with "traditional family values" ? I would think that that would at least as easy to find. And what are these "traditional family values"? Where on the spectrum of life-cult/death-cult worldviews is Islam? If I think of it as nearer the death-cult side of things is it a "traditional family value" to want to protect my children from that? What's wrong with that? Also if I look at the globe and see that most of the global violence seems to be between muslims and the adjacent civilization am I not to conclude that muslims want to erradicate their neighbours? Is being rational a "traditional family value"? There seems to be this obsession with people on the other side of the aisle to expose the hidden racism/intolerance of people who happen to appreciate their inheritance and participation in western civilization- which includes having, in their minds I'm guessing, "traditional family values". Meanwhile there's overt racism/intolerance being perpetrated all over the world in the name of islam and covert racism/intolerance in the muslims who choose to settle in the west yet say nothing in response to the violence that their co-religionists commit. Again I think that it would be way more healthy and fruitful (and interesting :) ) to get 1 muslim family who hates infidels- say one who's groomed their children to be suicide bombers -and 1 western family who adopts the whole values-are-relative-arms-are-for-hugging worldview and make them live together. Unfortunately such a show would never come to life. Not because it wouldn't have high ratings. But because you'd never find such a muslim family willing to participate in such a program- but CBS is expecting to get any responses from its call for families with "traditional family values". That we would assume that one type of family would respond to CBS's call and the other wouldn't speaks volumes about the differences between the two worldviews- a difference that will never be articulated in CBS's program.

Perhaps they should ask the families of these people:
http://remember.worldatwar.org/

Iberia (12:36 AM)...
Ummm, no, SDA readers DON'T have their heads firmly ensconced up their asses. Speaking of which, are you doin' OK?

You really ought to take a vacation; France? No, make it Madrid. Bali? London, perhaps? Ottawa, at least? Huh? Who in their right mind would want to go to Beslan?! Hey! Peshawar's great, I hear! And the upside is, there are protests AGAINST violence in the name of Islam going on ALL THE TIME there.

Maybe its this demographic they are seeking?

I pity the poor innocent suckers that respond to CBS's entrapment. You know they are going to be ruthlessly edited into racists. Hey, CBS, why do we have armed air marshals on our planes?

I responded with a pithy email along the lines of David F's comment, why not do an expose on Muslim "nervousness", excuse me, homicidal intolerances.

My God, the MSM is so smarmy. They are second only to the Islamofascists as enemies of our culture and democracy. No surprise, I read this morning that the NY Post, conservative, owned by Murdock, beat the most recent round of general circulation declines and now outranks the NYT. It's all about content, you damn media morons.

I'd really like to drop Iberia into Pakistan, Indonesia, Somalia, etc. with a big cross printed on the front of his shirt and hear what he has to say about the experience.

Racist? How does that description apply against being uncomfortably aware around ROPniks?

And as far as being Islamophobic is concerned, it's warranted. Any informed 'infidel' should have a fear of a cult that produces self-detonating, head chopping savages.

Racist, bigoted, phobic. These words only have power if one gives it to the moonbats tossing them around. Diluted words from deluded leftoids, still trying to protect their failed multi-culti utopian experiment.

Iberia enjoys playing his role of vitrucrat, my position is one of moral authority because I'm such a good person, criticism of the outrageous behavior of another group forbidden, he's self-censored and muzzled by the useless lefty dogma he swallowed whole. In other words, his drive-by oneliner was his best effort.

Irwin, Iberia need go no farther than Paris with a big cross painted on his t-shirt. I'd recommend he not leave his rental car on the street.

Yes, penny, I'm the bad guy for pointing out the truth: that paranoid racists post on SDA. Just a sampling of comments from the last day or so to prove my point...

"Although, most animals have a higher instinctual sense of morality and decency than Muslims."

Posted by: irwin Daisy at October 29, 2006 01:10 PM

"Indeed its almost a religious duty to rape the unbelievers, including there own. Rape rooms are common in Islamic Nations."

Posted by: Revnant Dream at October 29, 2006 01:13 PM

"It's EVIL cloaked in religion. Cowards, low lifes, sub-human wretched scum of the Earth. These "Muslim" fanatic mad "beings or things" are not fit to share the planet with."

Posted by: Liz J at October 29, 2006 01:48 PM

"Deport all muslims, and seize their property. They are scum supporting this and protesting the war."

Posted by: maryT at October 29, 2006 03:48 PM

"There's a non-violent way to annihilate Islam in one generation: neuter all the males."

Posted by: irwin Daisy at October 29, 2006 04:21 PM

"Sodomy Arabia."

Posted by: irwin daisy at October 30, 2006 11:09 AM

I notice that irwin is particularly prolific. How do people with so much anger function normally?

In another time and place, people were concerned about Jews stealing Christian babies to use for ritualistic sacrifices. Nothing bad came of that paranoid belief, did it?

"Although animals have a higher instinctual sense of morality and decency than Muslims."

From ME blogger sandmonkey.org

He reports that on Eid, hundreds of Muslim men who couldn't get into a movie theatre in Cairo, due to the fact that it was sold out went on a rampage, sexually assaulting any woman in the vicinity, whether veiled, or not. Single women, assaulted by up to a hundred men each, were grouped, fondled, molested, clothes ripped off and raped. The Police did nothing.

Just calling it what it is Iberia.

"How do people with so much anger function normally/"

Rather, "How do people with their head up their ass function normally?"

I suggest you have a modicum of information before slinging around your uninformed, self-rightous insults.

And BTW what does your last line have to do with the vicious reality inflicted on the world by rabid Muslims?

Iberia - in another time and place we had witches burned at the stake, so what. We are in the here and now. Jews didn't deserve paranoia and pogroms. Muslims are the ultimate predatory racists and anti-Semites at large today. Think you can hold that thought?

Anger, contempt and disgust at Islamofascists, the intolerance and barbarity of Islam isn't a hypothetical or paranoid belief or have you been out of the news loop for the past 5 years?

Racist? My point about you, exactly. There is no rule, no moral law that requires decent intelligent people to muzzle themselves so they won't offend the utterly dysfunctional, violent and ignorant behavior of another group. Islam is a ridiculous religion by every measure, primitive and intolerant. Islamic treatment of women is uncouth. Their propensity for cruelty and violence is despicable. If you think my description is racist, I could care less, the facts support my observations.

Your pc self-censorship, prissy little pseudo-indignation posturing and gaminess by taking comments out of context makes you less than honest, abnormal emotionally and a boring twit.

I'll defend any of those comments you've quoted so disingenuously out of context. They are far more human, honest and appropriate than your sorry drivel.

"And BTW what does your last line have to do with the vicious reality inflicted on the world by rabid Muslims?"

(Sigh.)

Perhaps you can provide a list of good things that have happened whenever an entire religious or ethnic group is vilified and slurred? I'm surprised you haven't noticed that with your comments, you behave in much the same way as the group you are deprecating. But then again, it's hard to notice much when your view is so obstructed. Thanks for pointing out that you're not angry-you just have your head up your ass.

penny,(rotflmao), you are pathetic and I truly feel sorry for you. Feel free to defend any of those comments (see them in their entirety in "lipstick on a pig" ) then perhaps you can explain how they solve anything. I'm looking forward to another good laugh.

Perhaps you can provide a list of good things that have happened whenever an entire religious or ethnic group is vilified and slurred?

The sheer stupidity of that question begs one important caveat, that if the group in question, moronically treated as a neutral entity by you, deserves to be verbally bashed, then what's your problem with that?

I'll give you a good thing that comes from criticism of dysfunctional behavior, as in Muslim bad behavior, it gets examined in the open, then, the offending party is pressured into changing, not so far from Bill Cosby's public approach to the dysfunction of urban blacks. Not so different from the international sanctions against NK. Not so different from pressure brought against criminals, dysfunctional cults, families and individuals.

That moral equivalence grabage in which you assign the functional and the dysfunctional equal value that you ingested whole and spew has rendered you brain dead. (Sigh.)

Islam is a failed religion. The Arabs are a failed culture. Deal with it or prove other wise. Which is the only question you need to answer for us. And please don't avoid it?

Prove otherwise or shut up.

" I'm surprised you haven't noticed that with your comments, you behave in much the same way as the group you are deprecating. "

Heh. Um.. no. We're not deprecating gays or hindus or americans or pigs and (for the most part) they're not deprecating us, yet muslims would deprecate all of the things in this list. I'm deprecating their religion because (among other things) it's unpleasant and because its influence is growing aggressively.

Also we can always fall back on the 'ole scenario of...
A suicide bomber bursts into my house determined to deprecate me (i.e. blow me up) do I have the option, ethically, to forcefully remove him without having people like you show up to demonstrate on his behalf in front of my house, claiming that my removal of him was asymmetrical re: use of force/evidence that I'm a racist/xenophobe, etc?

"...an entire religious or ethnic group is vilified and slurred?"

Unwarranted vilification requires that the ethnic or religious group in question has done nothing to deserve it, is innocent of the charges. Islamists provide the evidence for their denunciation every day. And have so for fifteen hundred years.

"I'm surprised you haven't noticed that with your comments, you behave in much the same way as the group you are deprecating."

Yes, indeed, I'd like to go out on a beastly jihad of rapine, chopping off heads and for the grand finale, self-detonate, come to think of it. Death to everyone! - might be a catchy strapline.

"But then again, it's hard to notice much when your view is so obstructed."

How ironic. Fortunately, I haven't elected to have the operation installing the illogical-PC-multi-culti-leftoid filter you're sporting.

"...you just have your head up your ass."

oooh. Touche. Good turnaround.

Iberia, a group mind like yours is so much fun to toy with. Thanks for the opportunity.

"Islam is a failed religion. The Arabs are a failed culture."

Then why do you spend so much time worrying about it?

Since you are being pig-headed, let me be blunt: regardless of the morality of Islam/Arabs, etc. the current response (WOT) is not working. More violence will not make them stop or go away and killing all of then is impossible. Quite frankly, there is no easy or quick solution. Muslims must evolve by themselves; making war on them will not expedite this.

BTW, you've gone off topic, yet your rants prove my original point-many SDA commentators are paranoid islamophobes. And I didn't need CBS to do any creative editing to prove that.

Re Muslim evolution....

One way to help evolution along is to introduce extreme stress into the subject species/culture.

I propose introducing extreme and sustained stress.

I take it then, Iberia, that you are convinced that Islam is no threat to our society?

Yes, or no?

Yes, if we keep going to war with them; no, if we try something more subtle (perhaps a combination of intelligence, subversive re-education, economic pressure,???).

David:

If someone is running around your house with a bomb strapped to his chest, you have every right to off him. On the otherhand, if you start blowing up your neighbour's houses because you think they might be out to get you, you'll need a good lawyer and a good psychiatrist to get of out of doing jail time.

Everyone seems to be forgetting one of Kate's rules, DON'T FEED THE TROLLS. You are giving iberia from Siberia a platform. You can't pound nails into cement, why bother. Those types just don't get it, they never will. I actually feel sorry for her, kinna like a when a baby skunk gets run over.