NATO announces it’s take-over date and clarifies what has been reported as a “peace treaty” negotiated between UK forces and Taliban. Apparently the incident was “misreported” (how could that be?).
Further to misreporting, it turns out that Senator Frist did not say what was reported that he said about the Taliban and the Afghan process. News broke recently that he had suggested that the Taliban be brought into the Afghan government.
Meanwhile in the UK, the opposition Tories claim that failure in Afghanistan would be catastrophic while American forces count 278 dead in the Afghan theater, and prepare to come under foreign command for the first time since WW2.
Canadians come under a third day of attacks. One attack took the lives of two soldiers. The soldiers were guarding a road construction crew; engaged in exactly the type of activity that Lollipop Jack Layton would have them do.
For details and much more, check out MediaRight.ca. and don’t miss the opinion buffet, where we give voice to an interesting cross-section of views.
cross-posted @ Celestial Junk
Damn media!
How DARE they point out that, when some people on this site declare some "victory" in Panjwai like it was classic, symmetrical, World War Two-style military triumph, that those people are full of it?
Then how DARE real-life events go and confirm their suspicions that the Taliban's going to keep coming back to areas we've "cleared" because, unlike beating Hitler, you can't defeat a bunch of ignorant bearded fanatics with bombs and guns alone. This is like swatting flies. The flies haven't got nothing better to do than come back and fight some more -- and the next batch always comes back angrier once you've killed their friends.
So looks like you've got two choices: either nuke 'em all, or come up with a political solution.
I went to the Mediarigth.ca site and didn't see anything about Frist. And just who is Mediaright.ca? There's no "about us" button to click.
Thanks Budd, the Frist piece is back.
Tony: I don't recall anyone that I have ever spoken to suggesting that the Afghan conflict will be solved via military means alone. That would be a contradiction of the ISAF mission, a contradiction of military doctrine, and a contradiction of NATO strategy, and even of the US strategy for Northern Afghanistan.
Political solutions have always been on the table and are being applied as we speak. Americans have been way out front on this, and are working tirelessly at the local level with village elders. The only thing keeping the same from happening in the South is an agressive insurgency which is not interested in political solutions. Add to this a corrupt southern Afghan police force, and our folks have their hands full.
You seem to be the one swatting at flies... please reference your claim that this site, or any other, has suggested a military only solution.
I've got my solution to the Afgan issue up now on my site. Let's go after the source of the men, money, and philosophy. Just click the link to see who I mean.
Soon we will have the Afghan pipeline and then Israel will not need the handouts from Washington.
Soon we will have the Afghan pipeline and then Israel will not have to beg for money from Washington anymore.
BTW If you like to be pre-warned about up-coming surprises, be sure to check:
http://PowerAndControl.blogspot.com
It*s a post I wish I had written..= TG
Frank Hilliard, [2:22pm] is indeed one step ahead of us.
Click on his name to go to MesopotamiaWest.
for a clearer picture. = TG
For facts, not conspiracies, on Afstan and pipelines, see this comment at "Army.ca":
forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,51018.msg456283.html#msg456283
Mark
Ottawa
Thanks Budd, the Frist piece is back.
Posted by: Debris Trail at October 4, 2006 02:12 PM
From the original Christian Science Monitor story I take it that Frist acknowledges that a political solution involving the Taliban, by whatever name, is essential. As I understand it, that is what Jack Layton is saying too.
I think Frist's mumbling about Taliban sympathizers versus Taliban plain and simple is merely damage control semantics. His Conservative base doesn't like the sound of negotiation with the enemy, and he had to back track.
Budd Campbell: Layton also says we should bug out as fast as possible, regardless of whatever any eventual negotiations may or may not achieve.
You can only negotiate successfully from a position of some strength; the Layton position, if adopted, would simply weaken NATO ISAF and thus the chance for successful negotiations.
Layton proposes not real negotiation but appeasement.
Mark
Ottawa
Mark
Ottawa
taliban jack has killed 2 more cdn troops. Notice how attacks have increased since his speeches.
And Frist said, negotiating with the taliban was up to the afgan government, not the US.
Wait till after the mid terms, for the US to get really mad and decide to win this war, in Iraq and Afgan. A couple of well placed bombs should do it, starting with a few tv stations in the mid east.
From your Al Qaeda manual:
http://www.disastercenter.com/terror/Al_Qaeda_Manual_FIRST_LESSON.htm
The overthrow of the godless regimes and their replacement with an Islamic regime. Other missions consist of the following:
1. Gathering information about the enemy, the land, the installations, and the neighbors.
2. Kidnaping enemy personnel, documents, secrets, and arms.
3. Assassinating enemy personnel as well as foreign tourists.
4. Freeing the brothers who are captured by the enemy.
5 .Spreading rumors and writing statements that instigate people against the enemy.
6. Blasting and destroying the places of amusement, immorality, and sin; not a vital target.
7. Blasting and destroying the embassies and attacking vital economic centers.
8 .Blasting and destroying bridges leading into and out of the cities.
Given that Al Qaeda and its sympathizers/enablers the Taliban hold an intersection of views; one first has to arrive at the conclusion that the Taliban want to sit down and negotiate.
The proposition that the Taliban want to negotiate is by no means clear, if at all existent.
In the meantime, the shooting will continue until morale improves. In the 5 years since 9/11 I have heard not one iota that Al Qaeda and/or Taliban want to sit down and negotiate a peace.
Quite the reverse, only last week Al Qaeda was calling for nuclear, chemical and biological weapons experts to come and help them eliminate the American bases in Iraq.
Sit down and negotiate with Al Qaeda/Taliban?
Standard issue would be a Class 5 biohazard suit with helmet, bullet proof vest, armor, and fist full of iodine pills in case of radioactive fallout.
Last but not least, good luck with that.
Hans,
but the Taliban are negotiating, just "by other means", as are we. So how are these negotiations going so far?
"The Taliban" is a catch-all phrase that many of us, including me, use without clearly definig who we are talking about. There are several dominant groups at work in the south; all of which tend to be lumped into the the Taliban camp. Making peace deals and arrangments with village elders, is not making deals with the Taliban. Making deals with local strongmen and bringing them into the government is still not dealing with the Taliban if those strongmen are not ideologically connected to the Taliban Islamist death cult that used to run the country.
That "Taliban" has its main support in Pakistan. As we've seen, days after the "peace" deal with Musharraf, attacks all along the border regions went up. This is the Taliban; with roots to Pakistani madrassas which are churning out fanatics as we speak. These folks are internationally connected, connected to the drug trade and to Islamic fascism. I'm sure they'll negotiate... then cut your throat.
So, negotiation and peace deals on the local and regional level, as the US forces have done and continue to do have always been part of the equation. Dealing with the international terrorists, their Taliban allies, and the drug lords is impossible, as these folks only want to completely dominate Afghanistan and beyond.
Every single one of the major people involved in Afghanistan has stated clearly, from the start, that a military only solution will not work. This includes all UN officials, NATO officials, ISAF officials, O'Connor, Hillier, Fraser, and the Bush Administration. Those lefties who suggest that conservatives just want military solutions don't know what they're talking about, and misrepresent the right.
Lollipop Jack's stand is disingenuous (in fact he's a blatant liar ), because what he asks for by way of working with the indigineous people is part of the policy already. And, he is a shameless socialist coward because he expects other countries to do the bloody work of security... then have the Canadian forces come in like boy scouts and build roads when it's safe. The last two Canadian casualties were building roads... and they died doing so.
a couple of points to the trolls...as far as the casualties in afghani are concerned, let's try to put this in perspective...i work as a salesman...salespeople travel extensively...if one of my peers dies in a car accident(while on the job)does that mean the rest of us should pack it in???these men and women are all volunteers, signed the dotted line, and know exactly what they are in for...period, end of story..my brother did not cry and whine when he was in firefights with columbian drug lords on the high seas...my other brother did not cry and whine when he was being pelted with rocks by somali thugs...nor did i cry and whine whilst under fire from terrorists in europe while attached to the british army...why????because we all VOLUNTEERED!!!!!secondly..interesting article today about the 33 major financial transactions, averaging 30 million each...related to terrorism...in Canada...well, if the track record is about the same as the war for drugs, that means there is a whole lot of terror dollars going thru Canada...gee, i wonder who is doing that?
Not Lollipop Layton, it's
Taliban Jack bin Layton!
When the Taliban want to negotiate,[do pigs fly?], then Musharraf will give us a call. = TG
taliban jack has killed 2 more cdn troops. Notice how attacks have increased since his speeches.
Posted by: mary at October 4, 2006
As you well know, mary, this is a cowardly fabrication.
Lollipop Jack's stand is disingenuous (in fact he's a blatant liar ), because what he asks for by way of working with the indigineous people is part of the policy already. And, he is a shameless socialist coward because he expects other countries to do the bloody work of security... then have the Canadian forces come in like boy scouts and build roads when it's safe. The last two Canadian casualties were building roads... and they died doing so.
Posted by: Debris Trail at October 4, 2006
Do you think you're fooling anyone? Don't you think it's obvious that your whole game here is Tory partisanship, and that everything you put up is just a bootstrapped argument to get the result you want, a vote Tory recommendation?
You're not prepared to admit that this kind of war fighting mission is beyond what Canada can handle, given all the years of defence cuts under Paul Martin's deficit reduction schemes.
Jack Layton, far from misleading anyone, is telling the honest truth, and if it doesn't fit your pet theories, too bad. As for being a socialist, he actually comes from a Tory family, his father having been a Minister in the Mulroney Cabinet.
Most Canadians do NOT support the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan and three quarters of Canadians think Bush and his "war" on "terror" has made the world less safe:
"OTTAWA (CP) - A clear majority of Canadians consider the mission in Afghanistan a lost cause, according to an extensive survey that hints at deep public skepticism about the war on terror.
...
Fifty-nine per cent of respondents agreed Canadian soldiers "are dying for a cause we cannot win," while just 34 per cent disagreed with that statement.
An even larger majority said they would never fight in Afghanistan themselves under any circumstances - not even if they were forced to in some military draft.
...
The doubts of respondents about Canada's chances in Afghanistan paled in comparison to their downright dismissal of the overall U.S.-led war on terror.
Almost three-quarters said the Bush administration had made the world more dangerous, 76 per cent said American policy had contributed to a rise in terrorism, and 68 per cent predicted the U.S. will eventually abandon Iraq without success.
...
Twenty-eight per cent of respondents in the Decima poll said they would fight in Afghanistan if they were of fighting age and were called upon in a military draft.
...
Decima's survey also found that:
-74 per cent of respondents said Bush has made the world a more dangerous place, while just 15 per cent said he has made it safer.
-67 per cent said they couldn't trust Bush's warnings about North Korea because he was '"wrong about Iraq."
-65 per cent called the terrorist prisons at Guantanamo Bay an "embarrassment."
Bob:
Hand the Al Qaeda types a nuclear device and let them take down a large portion of any North American city and you will see the polls reverse themselves in short order.
Adolf and Co. looked unstoppable at first, as did the omnipresence of the Communist juggernauts, so I don't see how the jihadists will be any different.
All three ideologies take the proposition that life is cheap to its logical conclusion. Democracy for all its warts has yet to leap headlong into that particular abyss.
Thanks Bin Laden, but indentured dhimmitude is not what we all had in mind in the West.
I don't see any of our troops wearing suicide belts into the market square, nor likely will they. Mephistopheles will have to refine his sell job to accept this Faustian bargain.
"You're not prepared to admit that this kind of war fighting mission is beyond what Canada can handle, given all the years of defence cuts under Paul Martin's deficit reduction schemes."
I admit to having concerns about the quality of the material that has been provided to our soldiers. I agree that the cuts have not been good to them and this translates to my concerns about their safety in a very harsh environment - and one that has never rewarded any military force. However, I have no concerns about our soldiers quality. They are as brave as the soldiers who fought and died on Vimy Ridge and at Normandy. Our soldiers can do the hard and soft skills. Maybe we can't succeed in AFghanistan. But unlike so many other countries we at least tried. Not for monetary gain, but to improve the lives of people.
"Jack Layton, far from misleading anyone, is telling the honest truth, and if it doesn't fit your pet theories, too bad."
I disagree that Jack is telling the honest truth in this and many other issues. I personally believe Jack plays at politics and only makes noise when he can garner some attention. May be he really means well. Or, maybe he is just a press hungry little snipe. I know what I think when I hear him speak...("but he's so earnest!")
Negotiation with the Taliban has long been discussed here, and I won't re-visit those points.
In closing, I would hope that someone would be advocating tory patisanship. I don't agree with every decision that Stephen Harpers government has made, but then, I didn't agree with ANY decisions that the Liberals made.
At least now we have a government that is accountable - I don't see those qualities in the Liberal governments of previous years, nor the NDP. Oh. Wait a minute...
Bud Campbell: "Jack Layton, far from misleading anyone, is telling the honest truth.."
This is what not yet then) Taliban Jack bin Layton was saying a year and a quarter ago:
www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Page/document/v4/sub/MarketingPage?user_URL=http://www.theglobeandmail.com%2Fservlet%2FArticleNews%2FTPStory%2FLAC%2F20050716%2FMILITARY16%2FTPNational%2FCanada&ord=196988&brand=theglobeandmail&redirect_reason=2&denial_reasons=none&force_login=false
'Canada's blunt-talking top soldier won praise yesterday for his clear and sometimes brutal description of the coming military effort against terrorist "scumbags" in Afghanistan...
"Controlled anger, given what's happened, is an appropriate response," NDP Leader Jack Layton said. "We have a very committed, level-headed head of our armed forces, who isn't afraid to express the passion that underlies the mission that front-line personnel are going to be taking on.
"A bit of strong language in the circumstances, I don't find that to be wrong."'
I assure you the quote is accurate. Was it the "honest truth" then...and now?
www.damianpenny.com/archived/004571.html
Weasel that he be.
Mark
Ottawa
Lefty loves polls. Polls are at the top of the list for perpetrating frauds upon the North American people.
Polls have no bureau of standards regulation.
The general public is not fully informed at the best of times so answers are emotional in nature.
Polls then, are the results of questions asked by those with an axe to grind of the emotional and uninformed.
Librano$ love polls. = TG
TG: Righty loves polls, too, when they show the Conservative Party taking a lead in a federal election campaign, and the subsequent news coverage of those polls results in a ricochet effect that gives the party a whopping, unexpected 10 seats in Quebec.
This sword cuts both ways, man!
Thanks Bob, but I plead innocent to summary conviction under 12(c) of the "Stupid Fu**ing Analogy Act"
The following photo of protesters in Islamabad on Wednesday Feb. 15, 2006 bearing the "God Bless Hitler" should exonerate me from any and all charges of the the said "Stupid Fu**ing Analogy Act"
And if your asking was this "Photoshopped"? the answer is NO.
http://www.n-tv.de/634520.html
Mittwoch, 15. Februar 2006
Karikaturen-Irrsinn
Der Führer in Pakistan
Frauen demonstrieren am Mittwoch in der pakistanischen Hauptstadt Islamabad gegen die Mohammed-Karikaturen. Was genau sie mit dem Plakat sagen wollen, bleibt unklar.
Check out the link and find out how Adolf is welcomed back to Pakistan. These and other such sympathizers are heading from Waziristan to Afghanistan to make things interesting for our Canadian and other NATO troops.
Welcome to Hades Bob.
Bob: re the poll results. Have you been paying attention to the news reports that N. Korea is about to set off a nuke. Comes straight from their boss. Evidence abounds that the war on terror started in earnest when clinton pulled out after the helicopter incident. OBL stated, on video, to ABC, that action convinced him that america is a paper tiger and cant stomach casualties. Suicide tapes were made by the 9/11 guys in early 2000, months before Bush was ELECTED. But, don't let facts get in the way of the leftist kooks support for the terrorists. Taliban Jack killed 2 more cdn troops yesterday. I wonder if he sleeps well at night. How many more will he kill, with the help of the cbc and ctv.
Hans,
how about a second conviction under the Propaganda Perversion Act?
Since you failed to translate the caption, let me do it for you: "Women demonstrating Wednesday against the Mohammed caricatures in the Pakistani Capital Islamabad. Exactly what they are trying to say with the placard remains unclear."
Of course it would be perfectly clear to a neandercon picking flyshit out of pepper to buttress a weak propaganda case. But where in the provided link is there any mention of your "how Adolf is welcomed back to Pakistan" allegation?
You must be desperate to advance such "proof." What's the game, Hans?
Agitfact and Bob..please take your tired diatribes and well worn leftist talking points elsewhere.
No one trusts or believes the Left anymore, except all your junior Marxist friends (and other assorted dross and drek)whom the real world financially supports while they are off at another protest.
Quite possibly that Che headband is on a little too tight.
agitfact:
second conviction under the Propaganda Perversion Act?
Anybody who is carrying such a placard; obviously has a great respect for the works of Hitler. Seeing it is these obviously Muslim gals who get the Propaganda Perversion Act conviction.
Thanks for attempting to 'shoot the messenger'
Given that Adolf marauded across Europe, and this is where the Mohammed cartoons came from, I gather the same should recur according to these fine gals. Given the french Car-B-Qs in the aftermath of the cartoons, they almost got their wish of setting Europe alight once again.
Secondly, since Al Qaeda/Taliban are routinely hanging out in Waziristan, a stones throw from Islamabad, who make their way across to Afghanistan this provides the 'cultural milieau' for continued mayhem and destruction.
Evidently, you are immune to the symbolism intended by these placard bearing propagandists.
Lastly, given the continued calls by Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Iranian president to have Israel 'wiped off the map' a scant few months previous; the treatment of Jews under Hitler doesn't hit your mental register?
It doesn't strike you at all astounding that someone would want to propagate the works of Hitler for a second go around?
Perhaps with a piece of irony one could substitute "God Bless STALIN" as he would be a murderer of some repute as well, only he was a self described atheist.
It is not just the sign agitfact, it is the context and culture in which it is occuring. If you are slow at picking this up too bad, because the 'game' if there is one, is played deadly and for keeps.
Try to get up to speed.
You know, these lefties are becoming funny. They actually don't believe that Islamic fascism exists and that it is a significant threat. I don't know whether to laugh or cry... and I actually debate these guys on occasion.
Now I gotta ask myself who's the fool?
Hans,
what I am immune to is propaganda and leaps of logic. I still know the difference between selective symbolism and the real world.
Debris Trail,
don't laugh or cry. The difference between belief and fact will become evident in due course. Good night for now.
Another invasion of the Germans, shocking actually:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c200/smitty1276/beergirls.jpg
One has to wonder if they are merely leftists avoiding reality at all costs,
or, dare I say, due to the amazing stubborness, Muslims, bent on offering resistance in spite of all logic. = TG
One has to wonder if they are merely leftists avoiding reality at all costs,
or, dare I say, due to the amazing stubborness, Muslims, bent on offering resistance in spite of all logic. = TG
To whichever guest blogger who deleted my completely inoffensive comment: I accept your admission of defeat. If you are going to deleted well-reasoned and factually accurate rebuttals it is logical to conclude that the jig is indeed up and you know it.
Not to good at figures are we, US has lost 342 dead, 901 wounded, 216 this year. that's counting the losses yesterday. The Brits have been encircled for months now and taking Casualties almost daily. 200 wounded and 39 dead, Canadians.
Life has gotten worse these last couple of years.
Most of the people don't go to school as most of the schools are closed.
For the first time since the start of the war the number of US,83, and the rest of the coalition have the same number of dead, 166 this year.
More dead this year then the first 3 years combined.
1 dead and 3 wounded each day.
500 dead by Thanksgiving, 491 so far.
Iraq, 21 so far this month.
Bob: You were deleted because of the inferred cursing... directed at another commentor. Nix it or go back to KoS where you'll be considered conservative in your language.
Once you start that garbage it just gets worse from there.
neutral: and you your point is?
"believe that Islamic fascism exists and that it is a significant threat"
and why would that be debris?
the amercuns have meddled in one foreign country or another EVERY YEAR since 1961. some more than once.
their problems with islamofascism is they took on a group spread out over numerous nations and pissed them off real bad. if youre going to hack away at a hornets nest because you got stung that morning, have a blowtorch handy, not just a big bad flyswatter.
the amercuns have themselves to blame because of their generations of short sightedness and limited perspective emphasising economic benefit for the multinationals and defense industry.
theyve really stirred things up and now are facing ghastly consequences. I fully expect a Dirty Bomb or worse to pop off somewhere in the lower 49 in my lifetime. casualty figures will be dwarfed by those caused by all the bombs and napalm dropped by the amercuns on the 3rd world.
did you know the first 4 bombs dropped in the invasion of iraq, the 2,000 lb bunker busters released from the belly of the 2 F117s MISSED the intended targets and KILLED children?
did you know the first 50 'smart weapons' flung at iraq ALL missed their intended targets?
karma.
schmuck, bob, agitfact, david brown, budd and other assorted wankers:
Without the US, where would your sorry asses be right now?
It's fine to sit here in the comfort of our protected, non-soveriegn nation and criticize. But what have you and your pro-Castro ilk done to deserve the freedom you enjoy and to oppose those who would take it away?
What have you done to deserve the benefits of a healthy economy, 85% supported by trade with the US?
Criticism between friends and partners is important, as long as it's in the context of learning and growing to the benefit of both. But the malicious and hateful crap, lobbed by you lowlifes is to nobody's benefit. Certainly not Canada's.
Your anti-American rhetoric is annoying to the US, but more importantly, threatening to the welfare of Canadians.
It's becoming increasingly hard to share a country with you. And I'd wager the majority of Canadians feel the same.
Taliban Jack killed 2 more cdn troops yesterday. I wonder if he sleeps well at night. How many more will he kill, with the help of the cbc and ctv.
Posted by: mary at October 4, 2006 08:45 PM
That's a bare-faced lie mary, and you know it.
Without the US, where would your sorry asses be right now?
It's fine to sit here in the comfort of our protected, non-soveriegn nation and criticize. But what have you and your pro-Castro ilk done to deserve the freedom you enjoy and to oppose those who would take it away?
What have you done to deserve the benefits of a healthy economy, 85% supported by trade with the US?
Criticism between friends and partners is important, as long as it's in the context of learning and growing to the benefit of both. But the malicious and hateful crap, lobbed by you lowlifes is to nobody's benefit. Certainly not Canada's.
Your anti-American rhetoric is annoying to the US, but more importantly, threatening to the welfare of Canadians.
It's becoming increasingly hard to share a country with you. And I'd wager the majority of Canadians feel the same.
Posted by: Irwin Daisy at October 5, 2006 11:12 AM
Irwin, the statements you make are intentionally false and you know it. I have not engaged in any anti-American rhetoric, as you well know. You're just lying about that.
As for your incredible attitude that Canada is somehow a dependency of the US becuase they are our largest trading partner, do you not give Canadians any credit for working for a living? If the US buys what they sell, you seem to think that makes them an American dependent? Is that your philosophy? Well then, what about you Irwin? What have you done to deserve your income? Or do you count yourself among the hapless dependents?
I must say, your description of Canada as non-soveriegn is pretty damned revealing. When John Turner said in 1988 that we would loose our sovereignty if we signed the Mulroney trade deal, I assumed it was just a bit of Red vs Blue hyperbole. I still do. But curiously, you seem to believe that!
Castro? My wife and I were planning a trip to Cuba this fall but we ran out of money because we spent too much on our wedding. Does that count in your books? Or are people allowed to take vacations in Cuba in your world.
The truth is, Irwin, that it's your ass that should be handed to Uncle Sam, not mine. Because you're a pathetic, drooling little sycophant for the Bush White House. Once President Kerry is sworn in, what in the Hell are Republican ass-lickers like you going to do?
"...That's a bare-faced lie mary, and you know it."
Repeat ad infinitum.
When it comes to the uber-communist, city councillor - who is doing nothing more than naively pretending that he knows something about foreign policy - It's far more likely you're denying it.
Budd,
I'd regularly rebut an argument, but your comment, once again is not an argument. It's incoherent twaddle - proving once again my observations.
Budd, Agit, Schmuck, bob etc: You folks, by your arguements have now joined the ranks of the modern neo-communist movement. You are anti-American pro-Olympian and socialist utopian in all that you have expressed here; and that is your right. Your arguements always amount to only criticism though, without offering alternatives. You base your opinions on the most far left neo-communist view of the world. You are the proto-typical hippie... just in the wrong decade.
This is getting very very tedius... the game of claim and counter claim can go on forever. In the end, you folks are communists and the righwhingers on this site in your minds are just a bunch of red kneck war-mongering military industrial complex slaves as your beloved Noam Chomsky would say.
The reason you come here and just counter spin without ever adding any constructive substantive addition to any thread makes you just as I have described; and in blog lingo... trolls. You have a mental need and obsession with argueing with conservatives... as you demonstrate here every day... I'm not sure it's that healthy.
You have changed nobody. Nobody has changed you. Therefore, it is an obsession that causes you to sit here and spew your childish opposition. Otherwise, you'd be on a site that shares more of your views and where you could actually do something constructive. Only disfunctional people behave that way in the real world. As is, your "opinions" amount to the most intellectually lazy of any position ever taken by anybody... which is just to counter spin. Any fool with a grade 8 vocabulary can do that.
I invite you to add something substantial... to add alternatives, constructive dialogue, and the like. Failing that, I will be deleting you from all posts put up by "cjunk" while I'm guest blogging. If all you do is push slogans and critique without any substantive addition... you will be deleted.
Furthermore... scrounging the net for "links", is not considered substantive debate... it's intellectually lazy crap.
You've been warned.. I've had enough of your college hippie techniques... I'd be glad to hear what you have to say if it's constructive and offers real and plausible "alternatives." Otherwise, go to another thread.
By the way: If you consider my reaction to you severe, consider that some of us have children or family serving in the forces, and you folks come across as very insulting and hurtful in what you say and suggest. I don't think you appreciate the incredible patience given you by those who humor your destructive dialogue
Debris Trail:
Here! Here!