Saturday Open Post

"Money can by [sic] you love".

The Vietnam quagmire was a result of French colonialism, a unique to France mode of economic domination that moved the inhabitants into a permanent low economic level. Trying to oust the French meant that Vietnam aligned itself with the Soviets; trying to oust the status of being low level workers, meant that Vietnam aligned itself with communist utopianism.

That's over; it has moved out of not merely the French Connection era, but out of the Soviet Union Connection era. And it has moved out of economic communism and is moving into a market capitalist economy. Political democracy will follow.

Afghanistan and Iraq are similarly moving out of one economic and political paradigm and into another. A structural change is not the same as a superficial surface change; it's deep and requires that the old structures be demolished. The ME, like Vietnam, was trapped within a peasant economy. Ideologically, Vietnam was trapped within the colonial horizons of France. Ideologically, Afghanistan and Iraq are trapped within the repressive horizons of Islam and tribalism.

Islam, make no mistake, is primarily a political and social ideology, which is 'sealed in stone' by being defined as a religious ideology. As a mode of belief and behaviour, it belongs in the 7th c, a desperate 7th c attempt to retain a mode of life, pastoral nomadism within tribes, a tribalism that was losing its land base to agricultural settlements of Christians.

Islamic fascism is the attempt to retain this social and political ideology, because the ME tribal authorities have themselves refused to allow their people to be empowered, have prevented the devt of a middle class, have 'bought' passive loyalty by repressive theology and by 'employing' people for dead end jobs, using oil revenues. The oil, after all, hasn't been developed by the ME peoples, who don't have the education or technology.

Neither Afghanistan nor Iraq are quagmires; what we are seeing is the upheaval of a structure, the demolishing of a building that is outmoded and dysfunctional, so that a new structure, as in Vietnam, can be built. Yes, changing deep structures is hard, is not for the weak hearted. But, allowing a dysfunctional infrastructure to remain - has resulted in Islamic fascism.

Give it five, ten years, and we will see an enormous change.

But again, the West has to confront Islamic fascism. It has to refuse to lose its modernity, its civic mode, its democracy, its freedoms. And, it has to assist those peoples who are enslaved by dictators.

Jack Straw of the UK, for instance, is right, when he says that 'veiled women' are making a statement of rejection and isolation from others. The veil isn't a religious requirement. After all, who among us would want to carry out discourse with a man constantly wearing a bank robber mask?

Debris Trail,
I read your response in the discussion section of the Vietnamistan article linked above. You used to be a New Democrat supporter? Me too!
Whenever I get into a political discussion (shoutin' match) with any leftist acquaintances, and they inquire as to what changed my mind about socialism and all its baggage, I simply tell them "I've evolved".

Joe B. LOL

Perhaps that could be the dippers next election slogan.

"NDP The Evolving Party."

Evolution however is just so damn slow these days.

Does Money buy you Freedom?
Brault serves 5 of 30month sentence, model inmate I guess, not a danger to society. Unless you decide to advertise with him.

Joe: I tell them that I was a very ardent believer until I opened my eyes and realize that much of what they preach is not born out in reality. It's wonderful theory hatched in the corridors of Sociology departments... but it is by and large fantasy and neo-communist utopianism. It is, a religion.

ET (1:44 P.M.)
"Neither Afghanistan nor Iraq are quagmires; what we are seeing is the upheaval of a structure, the demolishing of a building that is outmoded and dysfunctional, so that a new structure, as in Vietnam, can be built."

The thing I find most amusing (that IS the word) when I read about how the U.S. created a lot of "instability" in the Middle east is that the writer assumes that a stable Middle east means thugocracies, despots, Mahdis a la Ahmadinejad, etc...
Political/religious persecution does not lead to lasting stability, as any sane person knows.
I think waiting 50+ years to stir the pot was long enough.
Now, about Sudan, North Korea, Zimbabwe... It's gonna be a long war; I just hope it doesn't take an unimaginably audacious terrorist attack in Europe or America (or anywhere, for that matter) to shake the left and the media out of their funk, do the PROPER thing, and support the G.W.O.T in every possible way they can (THAT statement oughta rile a few schmucks and leftdogs! Tough darts for them.)

Debris Trail (2:02 P.M.)
John Conway???

any professional soldier will tell you that your average journalist is full of s$%&...they sit there with the sympathetic look, than misquote you out of a job...one of the first things(1978) i was told by an old korea war vet was never, never say anything to the media...they will twist and turn it until it suits their agenda...smart man, my sgt was...

John Conway??? the game, or the Mathametician?

btw...the media did one heck of a hatchet job on my brother and his unit once they returned from somalia...same crap, different decade

I see Lloyd Taxworthy has endorsed the ABI group. Not because Iggy may not be a good man. Nope. Just because he might take a winning "wedge-issue" away from the Libs. You see the NGP must get back into power at any and all costs, right Lloyd ? You see the Ig supports standing up against Terrorists, like the CPC. Can't be on the same side. Have to divide (wedge) Canadians, and win. Even if it means turning Canada over to fanatics. Pathetic.

About the MSM and society in general on their perceptions of Afghanistan, Iraq, et al, I think the root cause ( imagine me using a lefty catch phrase) might lie in the assumption of instant gratification that we live in today.

If the war, battle or story cannot be wrapped up by the time the National goes to air, then the MSM classify it as a quagmire or some other fancy term. Anyone who had a clue knew that when Bush did his thing on the aircraft carrier that the official war might have been over but there would be a lot of cleaning up to do, perhaps years. The left and MSM always bring this up as a sign of failure of the war. Just as not too many people are willing to make a long term commitment (check the divorce rates and birth rates), the fact that the war on terror is still not over bugs them to no end.

In today's battle field there is none of the "You will dress in blue and line up on the east side of the field while our side will dress in red and line up on the west. We shall commence to fire upon each other after tea until the appropriate time when each side will send out their general and sign a peace/surrender, after which we all go home.".

The war is being brought to us and there are no "rules" in this battle no matter how the idealists want to make the war proper. When the leftist toadies consider belly slaps and being made to wear your underwear on your head by a gasp female to be torture then you know their collective heads are not on tight. It short reality sucks so the MSM tend to ignore what they cannot predict and or control.

http://hallsofmacadamia.blogspot.com/2006/10/abdullah-lemme-explain-ohms-law.html

Another Canadian soldier killed.

I think it's time to change the rules. The next time we capture any of these mutts, they should be turned over to our Afghani allies for 'questioning'.

Keith Olberman lays an extraordinary smackdown on the Bush administration, transcript and video at:

www.crooksandliars.com/2006/10/05/olbermanns-special-comment-it-is-not-the-democrats-whose-inaction-in-the-face-of-the-enemy-you-fear/

A clear picture for all.

Pulling together requires that North Americans have a clear concept of this quickly moving advance of the enemy.

Unlike the sixties, MSM today is a fragmented mix of news and fluff events gushing at as in a big jumble.

There is not enough *connecting of the dots* and people are watching Friends or Bart Simpson instead of Fifth Estate or Passionate Eye.

Without a clear picture for everyone, we have a major problem.

Al Jazeera has provided a clear and unifying picture for the antagonized Muslim world.

http://tinyurl.com/mj2g4

Muslim gangs killing Police in France in more frequent clashes.
Gendarmes request armored vehicles and battle equipment

Clashes occurring now in the Windsor area UK.

Musharraf allows Al-Qaeda and Taliban sanctuary in Pakistan; completing muti-Billion$ pipelines to China and Iran both.

China has longstanding worries about insecure sea delivery of life-blood energy.

North Americans should be made aware of the rate of growth of our problem.

Do we wait for a big bang; the interruption of all programming, and a message from the president? = TG

The newest Angus Reid asks Americans:
Do you think the war in Iraq has turned into a situation like the United States faced in the Vietnam War, or don’t you think so?

Like Vietnam 52%
Don’t think so 45%
Unsure 3%

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/13374

The same Angus Reid poll asks Americans:
Do you think the Bush administration has deliberately misled the American public about how the war in Iraq is going or don’t you think so?

Deliberately misled 58%
Don’t think so 45%
Unsure 3%

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/13374

texas canuck - you are right, our modern public awareness is measured in minutes and seconds. Can you imagine fighting WWII within that 'the war must be over by 6:00 o'clock' mentality of the leftist postmodernist, who can't handle the notion of a long term reality?

leftdog - polls are irrelevant for several reason. One must know ALL the questions in the poll, must know the background of the respondents, must know the technology of the survey and, above all, to understand a poll, one must know the difference between FACT and FICTION.
You see, such polls and those particular questions can only provide us with opinions, which are fictions. They can't provide us with facts; they aren't set up to do that.

Because 52% answer that Iraq is 'like Vietnam' is only an opinion. It isn't a fact.
Same thing with 'deliberately misled' is only an opinion. That doesn't make it a fact.

You could, at another time, have received an answer from about 80% that 'the world is flat'. That percentage didn't make it a fact. The view that the world was flat remained, despite that 80%, a fiction.

Sure, blame the "left wing" media for providing a message you don't want to hear. The fact that wealthy individuals or conglomerates control the privately owned MSM does not support the righties complaints that the MSM is left wing. Excerpt from 3w.krysstal.com/democracy_media.html

In the USA, NBC and CBS (two television companies) are owned by corporations involved in arms manufacture and nuclear power (General Electric and Westinghouse). Several oil companies (Exxon, Texaco and Mobil) have seats on the boards of these news organisations. Time-Warner and CNN merged in the late 1990s to form one of the largest news and media monopolies in the world. Rupert Murdoch is the largest owner of television stations in the USA. Originally an Australian citizen, his American citizenship was "fast-tracked" by the Reagan administration to allow him to own television stations in the country.

Stories that highlight problems with nuclear power or waste, stories about oil companies involved with governments that violate human rights and stories about conflicts armed by Western companies are unlikely to be given much coverage. Stories that help the interests of the media owners are given prominence.

One man, John Malone, owns 23% of the world's cable stations. His Discovery Channel commissions programs after "market approval" and avoids "controversial subjects". The phrase "dumbing down" has entered the language as television concentrates on gossip and celebrity stories rather than serious issues.

In Australia Rupert Murdoch (him again) owns 7 out of the 12 national daily newspapers and 7 out of 10 Sunday newspapers. In one city, Adelaide, Murdoch owns all the newspapers. This cannot be good for pluralism.

In 1975, one of Murdoch's newspapers, The Australian, ran a campaign that helped remove the country's democratically elected government by the UK appointed Governor-General.

In the UK, News International (a company mostly owned by Rupert Murdoch) owns several newspapers (including The Times and The Sun), Sky Television (a major European satellite operator), Star Television (covering Asia) and publishers like Harper Collins.

In 1998, Rupert Murdoch owned 34% of the daily newspapers and 37% of the Sunday newspapers in the UK. He often uses the large resources of his multinational companies to lower the price of his newspapers in an attempt to put rival newspapers out of business. Successive UK governments have allowed his empire to grow in return for his media's support.

53% of UK newspaper and magazine distribution is controlled by just two companies, WH Smith and John Menzies. Smaller magazines (like the political and satirical Private Eye) can have (and have had) their distribution curtailed at the whim of these companies.

Doesn't sound very left wing to me. How about Canada? Bell Globe Media left wing? Get real. Or what about millionare and media mogul Asper? He dictates editorial policy...disagree and get fired.

Moreover, the myth that the media lost the war in Vietnam is just that...a myth created by right wingers who can't accept the fact that the whole conflict was misguided and a debacle.

John Pilger has an interesting analysis on war reporting by the media:

3w.informationclearinghouse.info/article13629.htm

No amount of positive spin will win a conflict...otherwise Hitler's troops would have won in Russia.

The slant here is *edgy* but it is a detailed street happening Iraq.

http://dailywarnews.blogspot.com/

Too much, . . eh? = TG

iberia - your definition of 'left' and 'right' is flawed. You seem to assume that the left are the poor, the non-capitalists, and the right are the wealthy and capitalists.

Trudeau was a wealthy man - and a socialist, leftist. Same with his children; Michael Moore is a wealthy capitalist and a leftist socialist. So is Bin Laden. (or was, depending on his existential reality). Many movie stars, pop culture stars, politicians are wealthy and leftist.
Many who are poor are ideologically 'right' rather than left. It's usually the tax-supported bureaucrats and academics who fill the ranks of the left; they have no experience of reality outside of this Safe Bubble.

The MSM are, by and large, left oriented. For you to deny this means that you are not using the data base of what is published in print and on screen - and are instead, using as your data base, 'who owns the paper or TV studio'. That's irrelevant in many cases. It's a rare editorial board in the West, who would allow the owners to dictate content.

All you have to do, to see the reality of the left bias of the MSM, is do a data content study of reporting for a period of a few weeks.

As for Vietnam, I suggest you take a longer view than the brief sound-bits of a TV news item. Use 'la longue duree' perspective of one of the greatest historians, Fernand Braudel, and you'll see that Vietnam was changing its infrastructure and that is always a destructive act. It isn't like changing the wallpaper colour; it's knocking down the whole house and putting up something entirely different.

Polls are the last refuge of the incompetent.

When used to support your theories, they're also a logical fallacy. Argumentum ad Populum. How many people believe in something doesn't matter as far as the truth is concerned. You could go out and poll 2,000 blind people about what color the sky seems to be, but none of their answers would change the fact that it is in fact blue.

Debris Trail (2:29 P.M.)
politicsnpoetry.wordpress.com/2006/09/29/ harpers-gamble

Professor Conway's byline is at the bottom of the article, dated Sept.29, 2006.

For the left Vietnam (and Watergate) was an extremely empowering time. Whether it was sitting around the poly-sci lounge discussing the world ("like . .um . . Nixon is so f'd man") or throwing bags of dog feces at returning soldiers, this is the environment that nurtured our little pack of MSM buddies. For the MSM, it's always 1975.

And, Iberia, you are wrong. Any difficult policy that is implemented by a democratic government must have the support of the populace. It is true that positive spin doesn't change reality. But selectively negative and disingenuous reporting can change the outcome. For the record I agree with Kate's linked post and would characterize Canadian MSM's reporting on Afghanistan as mixed.

Iberia (4:09 P.M.)...
You forgot Halliburton. Are you guys slipping?
By the way, how did you miss Ted Turner & CNN?

John Pilger and Robert Fisk are two moronic Useful Idiots. Add Chomsky, and I'm sure I've covered the depth of your intellectual range.

And, understand this, iberia, that the Viet Cong never blew up two builings in NYC, killing 3000, on our soil. So Vietnam could remain in the abstract for many during those years. The MSM and the ultimate capitulation of congress lost Vietnam. The WOT started with casualties on our soil right here at home. The enemy came to us. There is no comparison to Vietnam in the hearts and minds of Americans. Pearl Harbor is a better equivalent.

If you think that the rich aren't over represented as lefties in the media, then explain Hollywood with it's wealthy per capita income folks? Any one with an IQ above their full number of teeth knows Hollywood isn't conservative. Why? The wealthy are the most vulnerable to lefty utopian ponzi schemes because of guilt. They would never live one day in the old Soviet Union conditions, God forbid, but, Marxism was highly endorsed by them as the perfect spot for the rest of us. We would be cared for better there in their eyes. Ever notice that Soros throws his ruthless currency trading billions at socialist causes? Less guilt. People do worry about answering to their Maker as they age. Plus, noblese oblige, a corrupted attitude by the privileged as old as mankind pre-dating Marx. You really have no talent for spotting the Great Hypocrisies of History. You also drink the lefty media Kool-aid without much historical analysis of it.

"...it [socialism] is by and large fantasy and neo-communist utopianism. It is, a religion."

Posted by: Debris Trail at October 7, 2006 02:02 PM
...-

Witness (1952)

Letter to My Children
by Whittaker Chambers

It is not new.

It is, in fact, man's second oldest faith.

Its promise was whispered in the first days of the Creation under the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil: "Ye shall be as gods." It is the great alternative faith of mankind. Like all great faiths, its force derives from a simple vision. Other ages have had great visions. They have always been different versions of the same vision: the vision of God and man's relationship to God. The Communist vision is the vision of Man without God.

It is the vision of man's mind displacing God as the creative intelligence of the world. It is the vision of man's liberated mind, by the sole force of its rational intelligence, redirecting man's destiny and reorganizing man's life and the world. It is the vision of man, once more the central figure of the Creation, not because God made man in His image, but because man's mind makes him the most intelligent of the animals. Copernicus and his successors displaced man as the central fact of the universe by proving that the earth was not the central star of the universe.

Communism restores man to his sovereignty by the simple method of denying God...

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/hiss/chambersletter.html

Alex said:

Polls are the last refuge of the incompetent.

When used to support your theories, they're also a logical fallacy. Argumentum ad Populum. How many people believe in something doesn't matter as far as the truth is concerned. You could go out and poll 2,000 blind people about what color the sky seems to be, but none of their answers would change the fact that it is in fact blue.

Bang on!

There are many retired US military generals etc that are talking about all the mistakes made in Nam, Iraq and Afgan. My question to them is.
You were in charge of all the plannings, deployments, battles etc. Are you saying that you were incompetant, and promoted past your level of ability? No one in the msm questions their actions when they were in charge, spouting off about errors. They are the ones who made them. Seems to me the military was full of treasonous generals who deliberately planned the failure of the US troops.
Hopefully, after Nov 7, and the republicans maintain their majorities in both houses, Pres Bush will initiate a complete housecleaning and get rid of all those leakers, and sabateurers (sp) that have worked for 6 years towards the defeat of the west. Wonder who is paying them to be such traitors. The main problem with Nam, Iraq and Afgan is the left is making the military fight a conventional war, following conventional rules, and PC tactics, when in fact that will not work against an enemy with no uniform, no regard for killing innocent people, no rules except death, and who practise a religion where killing non muslims gets you to heaven. We on the other hand send out leaflets to the enemy telling them where an attack is going to take place. For all those saying Bush lied, what about the lies of the other side.

This is posted at:
timblair.net/ee/index.php/weblog/shocking_strictness/

and:
www.channel4.com/culture/microsites/C/can_you_believe_it/debates/texas1.html

"The Bible belt is transferring its allegiance to the Qur’an because, for many erstwhile Christians, believe it or not, the church is too liberal."

"There are 400,000 Muslims in Texas alone and Islam is the fastest growing religion in the USA. Since 9/11 there have been more converts to Islam than ever."

Mary: There are about 7000 retired US generals. Only a handful are complaining; and usually those with a book deal about to be signed.

Leftdog,

Alex and Canforce 101 are both correct in different ways; that polls, [ as they are currently done, without checks, balances or standards], are simply useless.

I add that the North American public is not fully informed or up to date about the advances of the Jihad.

What is the point of polling the uninformed and the unaware. Did you ever scan the crowd shopping at Wal-Mart? = TG

CTV poll:

The toppling of the Taliban in Afghanistan started five years ago this weekend. How long do you think Canadian troops should be involved there in a combat role?

www.ctv.ca

Ever wonder how the Earth transitioned from Ice Age to melting the Glaciers ?? I mean like, what kind of temperature swings would be needed to first make ice two frigg'in kilometers thick !!?? TWO KILOMETERS. Like in MB, NW Ont. And then the climate warmed up enough to melt it !! Over a few thousand years, of course. And this happened many times !
Well, looks like we may have our answer. From Denmark National Space Centre. A study/experiment titled ; Exploding Stars Influence Climate of Earth.

spacedaily.com/reports/Exploding_Stars_Influence_Climate_Of_Earth_999.html

We have always known that water vapour and cloud cover have a much, much larger affect on the Earths climate than CO2. And now the link between the exploding star's cosmic rays and the earth's atmosphere appears to be the clincher.

Better dump those silly Carbon Credit futures. The culprit is a few light years away, beyond our control. As you were, continue life as usual.

"never say anything to the media...they will twist and turn it until it suits their agenda...smart man, my sgt was..."

well I can attest to this personally 100%

*every* time I have had personal knowledge of a print media news item they ALWAYS got it wrong to some extent.

t.: I've had the same experience... both ways. On one occasion I needed some clout for a problem I had with some logging. I knew the media would be as "green" as ever, so I called them. They interviewed me and plastered the "loggers" and saved my patch of bush. The coverage was one sided (my side). I didn't fib or anything like that, but I used their urban predjudice to my favor and I won.

The other time I wasn't involved, but I watched as journalists completely ignored important information to push their "green" urban view of things. They lied by not printing obvious information that countered their view.

I find this to be the most common journalistic trick; to ignore that which counters the reporters personal bias... it's not lying, but it is manipulation by ignoring context.

Like I've said, I've benefitted from it, but seen it hurt far too many people and distort reality for those who relied on the media. I realy realy dislike most journalists as a result... whether small time or big time. They've got a mental confusion problem, and that is that they mix op-ed with hard news so often they don't know the difference themselves.

I have to break this comment into smaller pieces to get by your ridiculous spam filter because Kate avoided my friggin' simple emails about how to eliminate almost your entire spam problem easily. Anyway.

BLOGGERS, PLEASE, RUN WITH THIS.

THIS IS CATCHING ON BIG WITH MAJOR U.S. BLOGS RIGHT NOW and it directly involves Canadian soldiers used by their leftist democratic party and disrespected by them. Please read the links and my post. Thank you.

Ah for for heck sakes! It's impossible to post a God damned link to Little Green Footballs for goodness sakes in this blog, even without any href stuff. Crazy.

Set up a bot trap. Like Little Green Footballs has! It's easy. Anyway, I will try again.

This spam filter sucks so bad, I tried munging it 10 different times without success. So I'll post a different link. Fine.


Democrats photoshops CANADIAN soldier by removing his beret badge and adver tises as American veteran:

michellemalkin.com/archives/006073.htm

Does this look familiar?
http://regimentalrogue.tripod.com/rcrbadges/rcrbadges_intro.htm

Considering that the Royal Canadian Regiment have a long and proud military history, are fighting in Afghanistan today:
http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/newsroom/view_news_e.asp?id=1703

and took a casualty in defence of freedom last week:
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/09/29/soldier-afghanistan.html?ref=rss

... I’m not entirely sure that they would appreciate having their regimental badge removed from their berets on Remembrance Day and put on another country’s political party’s website as supposedly their token of support (but not to them).

This is disrespectful not just to their soldiers, but to ours.

So now I want to include a link to the Royal Canadian Regiment, the government of Canada (army), and the CBC News about a RCR casualty 1-week ago, this being the soldier's unit that was disgraced by the removal of his regimental insignia by the Democrats.

But, I can't. It's impossible.

So my commentary without the links:

Does this (RCR beret brass link) look familiar?

Considering that the Royal Canadian Regiment have a long and proud military history, are fighting in Afghanistan today (link to government of Canada army site about Afghanistan mission) and took a casualty (CBC news report about Private Josh Klukiein) in defence of freedom last week... I’m not entirely sure that they would appreciate having their regimental badge removed from their berets on Remembrance Day and put on another country’s political party’s website as supposedly their token of support (but not to them).

This is disrespectful not just to their soldiers, but to ours.

--
I apologize for losing my cool. This spam filter is very frustrating. Triply so because I offerred very clear suggestions to largely solve your spam problem earlier, but my suggestions were ignored.

Apparently the photo was photoshopped before the Democrats bought it.

They just couldn’t tell the difference between an American soldier and one of ours. Didn’t have a clue.

And this was on their official “support the troops” page.

Bob & leftdog

You guys really lend credence to the statement:

“Canada is like America’s retarded cousin”

ya gotta watch it christoph, this blog dont have a 'edit' button like they do on IMDB fer instance.

LOL !!!

I once let rip with nothing but blue phrases and terminology as a test.

try it some time !!!

LOL !!!

note the 'J' ....

LOL !!!

ET writes:

"...your definition of 'left' and 'right' is flawed. You seem to assume that the left are the poor, the non-capitalists, and the right are the wealthy and capitalists."

"Left" and "right" have a broad range of definitions and I'm not going to argue about that. However, perhaps rather than accusing me of flawed thinking you could name a few rich, left wing media moguls to prove your point.

"The MSM are, by and large, left oriented. For you to deny this means that you are not using the data base of what is published in print and on screen - and are instead, using as your data base, 'who owns the paper or TV studio'. That's irrelevant in many cases. It's a rare editorial board in the West, who would allow the owners to dictate content."

Please substantiate.

"All you have to do, to see the reality of the left bias of the MSM, is do a data content study of reporting for a period of a few weeks."

Peerhaps you should. Prove it.

As for Vietnam, no matter how you slice it, the US went in there and killed lots of people (bled quite a bit as well), then left, mission unaccomplished. Whatever positive changes are happening now in Vietnam are not because of 12 years of US warmaking 30-40 years ago.

penny:

Hollywood and the MSM are not the same thing. Vietnam was a failure because the public got tired of having soldiers die...for what? Same will happen in Iraq and Afghanistan. Don't blame the MSM if the military can't achieve it's goals, or if there aren't any real, consistent goals.

In any case, any reply to you is futile because you always say that you're right. I pity the people around you if you also treat them that way.

Correction: The private who lost his life in Afghanistan is Josh Klukie.

I apologize for the error.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/09/29/soldier-afghanistan.html?ref=rss

Correction: The private who lost his life in Afghanistan is Josh Klukie.

I apologize for the error.

Architecs are stumped at the underground parking. Stuck in the basement before the building gets to floor one!

How to insure that all those auto-trunks do not carry dyno-surprises.

Must all parking be switched away from buildings to seperate parkades?

Easier for the free world to get our act together and deal with the Pakistan / Iranian axis of evil. properly! = TG