"It's a pity they can't both lose"

it must just suck to born a palestinian . . . no future except social turmoil, poverty, violence and death.

I could almost feel sorry for them except it is all self-inflicted.

"The violence began on Sunday morning, when several hundred Fatah-affiliated policemen took to the streets in the Gaza Strip to protest unpaid salaries for the third consecutive day"......."These thugs are using the issue of unpaid salaries as a cover for staging a coup against the legitimate government"....really?, the unpaid cops seemed pretty specific in their complaint in that they burned the bank down. What a sewer, murder and mayhem ignited because a handful of cops demanded their paychecks.

There isn't a tear in my eye, except for innocent women and children caught in the crossfire, as these moronic macho men do each other in.

Agreed. The single greatest roadblock to success are the Palestinian people themselves.

Witness the downside of blowing the budget on AK's and ammo.

My heart pumps purple piss for them.

United States Senate Majority Leader (he's a Republican) says TALIBAN should be part of government in Afghanistan!!!!!!!

http://www.iht.com/bin/print_ipub.php?file=/articles/ap/2006/10/02/asia/AS_GEN_Afghanistan_Frist.php

I wish I could see the look on the faces of smalldeadanimal fans over that one!!

Frist says he was taken out of context.

http://www.townhall.com/blog/g/c3b6d35f-d097-40c9-86d5-56e7d06d6a1f

I agree the Mary Katharine Ham:

you can't let that kind of headline get out a couple weeks before an election (or ever, if you want to keep the security cons who don't cotton to the Republican Party on any other issues). It kinda smells of defeatism no matter how you slice it, which is why all of us got up in arms so quickly.

What if Israel didn't exist...hmmmm..
No more fighting, handouts, political intrigue, manipulated foreign policies.

I think the orthodox jews are correct.

Perhaps the Arab countries will send in peacekeepers and development workers in order to lift the Palestinians out of poverty...

Just kidding! They'll send guns...

Hey RC - would you like those 5 million Jews to be living here in North America? I kind of doubt it since you come off as just another Jew-Hater. I guess if Israel didn't exist the forces of Jihad would just have to turn their attention to Al Andalusia (sorry, Spain) and former Ottaman Europe.

Meanwhile, .... to the north of Gaza ... the tick clocks....

A Lebanese Civil War?

Is a civil war imminent between the radical Islamists of Hizballah and the remnants of Lebanon’s secular government? This Ynet writer thinks it may be: Will a Hizbullah state arise in Lebanon?

A month and a half after the war in Lebanon and the intense atmosphere amongst our northern neighbors isn’t subsiding. Even if the picture of the situation Lebanon isn’t entirely clear, one thing is for certain – the ground is burning under their feet. It has always been clear that something is happening on the other side of the border during the war, even though Hizbullah TV network al-Manar didn’t show it. But as time goes on, rumors are starting to slip out. ...-
LGF

"It's a pity they can't both lose"

In fact, I think that they did both lose, so Kissinger's wish was granted. And I think that both Hamas and Fatah will lose. What are their objectives? If neither of them achieves those objectives they both lose, unless, of course, they both have as an objective to kill as many Muslims as they can, in which case they can both win.

The Israeli statesman Abba Eban (sp?) who coined a few beauties in his time once said:

THE PALESTINIANS NEVER MISS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MISS AN OPPORTUNITY.

But the great mystery endures: how so many of our well-educated elites continue to demonize Israel and romanticize history's all-time losers.

A "Palestinian People" my a**.

If Israel didn't exist? Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, PLO et al. would celebrate for a few years, then turn their sights towards the West. May I remind everybody that the goal of terrorists is not the destruction of Israel, but the conquest of the entire world? Israel just happens to be a special target because the Muslim world's proclaimed second capital happens to lie in the country.

Arafat's Ghost: "Black Sunday" in Gaza. ...-

ANALYSIS / Hamas lost the war for Palestinian public opinion
Haaretz ^ | 10/3/6 | Avi Issacharoff

At the end of "Black Sunday," as the day of clashes between Palestinian factions in the Gaza Strip was described in the Palestinian media, Hamas succumbed to public opinion and withdrew its gunmen first, even though they may have scored greater victories against Fatah fighters.

Already on Saturday night, everyone knew that fighting was expected the next day in the Gaza Strip. The announcement made by the Palestinian Authority's Interior Ministry that the Hamas security force would be deployed Sunday to disperse the demonstrating members of the Palestinian security forces (the Fatah fighters), was tantamount to a call for a rumble.

Hamas wanted a confrontation for two reasons. First, it wanted to send a message that the Hamas-controlled government would no longer accept unruliness on the part of the security forces in the Gaza Strip, which undermined its government and created the impression that Hamas has lost its power. Second, it was a way of pressuring Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas to resume negotiations for a government of national unity - because if the Hamas government falls, there will be a bloodbath in the Gaza Strip.

However, the Fatah gunmen were in no rush to clash with Hamas. For their part, the Hamas gunmen solved the problem and carried out a direct assault against the home of one of the Preventive Security officers and targeted a number of policemen identified with Fatah in Khan Yunis. Once that happened, there were no holds barred: automatic gunfire, grenades and RPGs were used, killing nine and injuring more than 110. ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1712496/posts

Let's hope no one disrupts the supply of guns and ammo to these "freedom fighters".

Don*t worry, the supply of *guns and ammo* continue to flood into Gaza over the border from Egypt.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52231

The irony is that they are for Iran*s use while the return fire smacks the *Freedom Fighters* and the many Lebonese who fail to see how they are being used by Iran.

Must be the slanted anti-West media that keeps them so uninformed and in the dark. They think it is only a local IDF vs Hazbollah conflict.

Amazing! = TG

United States Senate Majority Leader (he's a Republican) says TALIBAN should be part of government in Afghanistan!!!!!!!

http://www.iht.com/bin/print_ipub.php?file=/articles/ap/2006/10/02/asia/AS_GEN_Afghanistan_Frist.php

I wish I could see the look on the faces of smalldeadanimal fans over that one!!

Posted by: leftdog at October 2, 2006

I wonder which small dead rodent will be the first to coin the phrase Taliban Frist. Of course, I am assuming these rodents are consistent, ... and I'm right in that assumption, aren't I???

FASTER PUSSYCAT, FASTER! KILL! KILL!

"Frist said asking the Taliban to join the government was a decision to be made by Afghan President Hamid Karzai."

Taking sides with the president of Afghanistan has NOTHING in common with turning tail and running away.

It's still "Taliban Jack", all on his little N.D.P. lonesome. Sorry Budd Campbell, you're up your ass.

Penny:

Only the children are innocent...

LGF says:
I’m rooting for both sides to achieve their objectives...-

Palestinian Civil War Watch

I’m rooting for both sides to achieve their objectives: Palestinian group threatens to kill Hamas leaders. (Hat tip: PDM.)

GAZA (Reuters) - The al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, an armed wing of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas’s Fatah faction, threatened for the first time on Tuesday to kill Hamas leaders, including exiled political chief Khaled Meshaal ...-

me no dhimmi,
sorry to be picky, but I think Abba Eban said "the Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity" - when he said it, only the Jews called themselves "Palestinians"

Real Conservative,
only a handful of a sub-sect of observant Jews think that only G-d should re-establish the independent state of Israel.

If you ask me it's the breeding.

The inbreeding, that is.

If they can't keep it in their pants, they can at least keep it in the clan.

ex-liberal: Yes of course, thanks. The Arab "Palestinian People" had not yet been invented! But is that really true that only the Jews called themsleves Palestinians at that time?

ET?

BTW, I recently learned that Jewish refugees exiled from Arab countries in 1948 actually exceeded the number Arab "Palestinian" refugees, and that they were offered no compensation. (as I recall, approx. 800,000 vs. 750,000). I was also intrigued that the Arab "Palestinian" refugees were the only refugee group in history to have its own UN agency. That leads me to believe that the UN is the "root cause" and that they have inteferred with the natural resolution of the beneficent process of ethnic cleansing.

I was also shocked to learn that Carter and even Clinton at one time had argued that in any settlement the questions of the Jewish refugees would have to be included. Carter!!! That issue seems to have disappeared from the "conversation".

Sounds like the Hamas terrorists are getting the upper hand on the Fatah terrorists. Not too soon I hope, we need a bit more mutual blood-letting before deciding this comedy show.

Via Debka:

DEBKAfile’s military sources report that the Hamas commandos laid into the Fatah death squads; in addition to killing 3 squad members, they took at least 30 officers prisoner including the squad’s commander, Sifwat Rahami, who was dragged from his home. Two of his officers fled into Sinai and headed for Cairo. The bodyguards of several Palestinian Fatah police chiefs were snatched, leaving them and their families unprotected.

me no dhimmi,
The Palestinian Post became the Jerusalem Post.
The Palestinian Philharmonic Orchestra is now the Israeli Philharmonic Orchestra. Google the script of the movie Exodus - Ben Ami (Paul Newman's character - a jew) is consistently referred to as a Palestinian. Arabs thought of the region as southern syria. I have had this conversation with ET before - for some reason she does not want to accept the historical fact that before the 1967 war the only people known as Palestinians were Jews. The UN had to change the definition of refugee to mean anyone who had lived there for TWO years - not since time immemorial. And yes, no one ever ever seems to remember the Jews that were driven from their homes in Muslim lands in 1948 - I had not heard that Carter and Clinton wanted these jewish refugees included in any agreements. Palestinefacts.com is a good source of info on the subject (trying not to rant)

ex-liberal (and ET). Yes, ET's blind spot on this is a great mystery.

In re-read of Bat Ye'or's Eurabia.
From: Pio Manzu Research Centre Symposium, Rimini 1979 (part of that semi-sercret Euro-Arab dialogue thingy). (page 83)

Klibi recalled that the UN General Assembly resolution 3236 -- which had been adopted by the Soviet-Third World "automatic majority" on November 22, 1974, after Arafat's UN address -- had for the first time referred to the "Palestinian people" rather than to "refugees". Asked by a jounalist how the UN Security Council's Resolution 242, which referred to "refugees" could be modified, Klibi replied:

That is where your role as Europeans can be effective. To start with, the concept of "refugees" should be replaced by that of the "Palestinian people". And the consequence of this theoretical modification should also be realized so that this people would be placed in a position to have their state. That is where Europe can play a specific role, a dynamic role, a driving role .. I would like France to play a role in this direction and to be, within the European Community, a sort of driving force -- that France should take the role as leader, and that the whole European Community would play a role in this direction.

Me No Dhimmi adds: Or else, no oil for you.

Me No Dhimmi comment: And they played that "driving role" and drove into a deep ditch from which they won't be extricated. 1 in 3 babies born in France is Muslim.

"Frist said asking the Taliban to join the government was a decision to be made by Afghan President Hamid Karzai."

Taking sides with the president of Afghanistan has NOTHING in common with turning tail and running away.

It's still "Taliban Jack", all on his little N.D.P. lonesome. Sorry Budd Campbell, you're up your ass.

Posted by: Joe B. at October 3, 2006

ROTFLMAO! Talk about desperate.

Your very own Senate GOP leader accepts the idea of dealing with, that is negotiating with, the Taliban, and you're still doing your silly little school-yard "Taliban Jack" routine. To end it after BS like that by suggesting that it's me who is stuck in his own large intestine is just way too funny! But thanks, Joe, if felt good to laugh this damn hard!

As you well know, Joe, Jack Layton has not suggested turning tail and running. He wants an orderly withdrawal of Canadian troops from a theatre where the circumstances are wrong and the terms of the mission are essentially indefinite. For years Conservatives have claimed that the Canadian Forces are under budgetted and understaffed and I agree that's been the case, especially during the Paul Martin deficit reduction years. Given that, are they really ready for a full-on, front-line, war fighting role? IOWs, which page are you on today?

To me it looks like the Tory strategy is to plug the troops into a hot one before they are really ready, and then to use the resulting extra casualties as ammunition to harden public opinion in favour of a major increase in DND budgets. A very grim and grisly calculation if you ask me, and one which regards our soldiers as expendable overseas in order to win opinion battles at home.

Missing Link said . . .

Agreed. The single greatest roadblock to success are the Palestinian people themselves.
Posted by: missing link at October 2, 2006 07:51 PM

Is the roadblock really the Palestinian People or is it the Captive Media who shape their picture of their world?

The people seem to have all the good traits of citizenry in general anywhere.

Check: MichaelTotten.com

There is a big Christian contingent who recently held an anti-Hezbollah rally in the streets north of Beruit.

Why do so many Palestinians think their conflict is IDF against Hezbollah rather than Iran against the USA?

How can they not see that Iran is rocketing Isreal while they, the Palestinians are suffering the flak?

The Hez peels off handfuls of money in the streets, with the news video camera grinding on, while soldiers and workers elswhere riot because they have not been paid.

Guess if you live there you can only see some of the trees and not the whole forest. = TG

Iran the radical place where terrorist hide and a member of the UN

On October 2, 2006, Fred wrote:

"it must just suck to born a palestinian . . . no future except social turmoil, poverty, violence and death.

I could almost feel sorry for them except it is all self-inflicted."

I know most people would ignore a statement like this, in that it is so brazenly ignorant, that the poster could be assumed to either be: A) trying to piss people off, or B) consciously and deliberately uninformed.

Perhaps it is a little of both.

Have you ever been to Israel, or better, have you ever been to the Palestinian territories? Regardless of what side of the hotly debated topic you are on, a statement like this is unacceptable. The media is bias, but a citizen of the world, and especially one with access to a computer and the internet, as you appear to, has a moral and social responsibility to seek the truth.

I am from Jewish ancestry, and have been to both Israel and Palestine many times. Please, before you make devestatingly offensive statements like this, do your research. I'm not asking you to be either for the Palestians or Israel, but simply to have a slight idea of what you are talking about and everything that comes with it.

Because regardless of what you believe, when you enter the Gaza Strip, you simply cannot say that the human condition there is not deplorable.

-Mirabella

On October 2, 2006, Fred wrote:

"it must just suck to born a palestinian . . . no future except social turmoil, poverty, violence and death.

I could almost feel sorry for them except it is all self-inflicted."

I know most people would ignore a statement like this, in that it is so brazenly ignorant, that the poster could be assumed to either be: A) trying to piss people off, or B) consciously and deliberately uninformed.

Perhaps it is a little of both.

Have you ever been to Israel, or better, have you ever been to the Palestinian territories? Regardless of what side of the hotly debated topic you are on, a statement like this is unacceptable. The media is bias, but a citizen of the world, and especially one with access to a computer and the internet, as you appear to, has a moral and social responsibility to seek the truth.

I am from Jewish ancestry, and have been to both Israel and Palestine many times. Please, before you make devestatingly offensive statements like this, do your research. I'm not asking you to be either for the Palestians or Israel, but simply to have a slight idea of what you are talking about and everything that comes with it.

Because regardless of what you believe, when you enter the Gaza Strip, you simply cannot say that the human condition there is not deplorable.

-Mirabella

On October 2, 2006, Fred wrote:

"it must just suck to born a palestinian . . . no future except social turmoil, poverty, violence and death.

I could almost feel sorry for them except it is all self-inflicted."

I know most people would ignore a statement like this, in that it is so brazenly ignorant, that the poster could be assumed to either be: A) trying to piss people off, or B) consciously and deliberately uninformed.

Perhaps it is a little of both.

Have you ever been to Israel, or better, have you ever been to the Palestinian territories? Regardless of what side of the hotly debated topic you are on, a statement like this is unacceptable. The media is bias, but a citizen of the world, and especially one with access to a computer and the internet, as you appear to, has a moral and social responsibility to seek the truth.

I am from Jewish ancestry, and have been to both Israel and Palestine many times. Please, before you make devestatingly offensive statements like this, do your research. I'm not asking you to be either for the Palestians or Israel, but simply to have a slight idea of what you are talking about and everything that comes with it.

Because regardless of what you believe, when you enter the Gaza Strip, you simply cannot say that the human condition there is not deplorable.

-Mirabella

Regarding the website www.palestinefacts.org. It is generally not disputed that this website is Israeli propaganda put forth by an unidentified collective of editors who cannot be contacted. Try www.wikipedia.org for accurate information.
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"Religious people and communities should in the clearest and most radical way repudiate violence, all violence, starting with the violence that seeks to clothe itself in religion."
Pope John Paul II

I apologize for posting the first comment three times, it wasn't my intention.