Clear; Concise; and Blunt

That woman never ceases to amaze me. Brilliant.

I admire Dr. Sultan and appreciate her bravery. How refreshing to hear a Muslim who lives in the 21st Century, not the 7th!

She's an atheist with more faith than many Christians.

What a wonderful courageous lady. Truthful, concise and straight to the point. Would'nt it be awsome for that kind of interview to be shown on the, "National," without editing.
one can only hope.......

Thank you so much for publishing this link, CJunk. Since I first saw Wafa Sultan speak out, I have been most impressed by her ability to separate religion and politics. This is one of the key problems on which which the future of the next millenium rests. Indeed, it was one of the main points of Pope Benedict's Regensburg lecture, for those who bothered to understand it.

It's going to take a long time, as Wafa says, but eventually we will get positive results out of it. We always have before, little by little, albeit with setbacks. Why should that change now? We have to have hope to move forward, Wafa correctly notes.

The world needs more people like her. The U.N. needs her.

Will Youtube be inundated with demands to banish it?

Gutsy lady, with a lot of jam.

Good frank analysis of the problems within parts of the Islamic community.

She's thrown down the gauntlet, let's see if the mullahs have the courage to do some self examination in their communities.

Cartoon Jihad Round Two. LGF had a post on the weekend and again yesterday about a Norweigan documentary on the Danish cartoons and the reaction so far. 9:25 am Oct. 04.

Are you a jew?

Interesting. That's two incomprehensible posts by someone claiming to be Real Conservative in two threads in two hours. Sounds like another troll fraud to me.

I greatly appreciate your posting this- for years, I have tried to get people to educate themselves about this menace to the West and everything it holds dear:

-These are the Killer Links- the best ( or worst ) I could locate.--

...and for my troubles I've been called the usual assortment of meme's, talking points, and poorly-defined insults by the Usual Suspects.

But that's alright with me- if being predjudiced about a belief system that wants to saw my head off while filming my dying agonies, oppress the women I care about, and exterminate my Jewish friends makes me a bigot in some fools minds, then, so be it... I carry the appellation proudly.

I've said it all differently, but never better, than I have here:

-"Fire & Blood & Iron:"--

I can just imagine how peaceful will be the transformation of the Religion of Peace™ she espouses. Splinter tolerants that try to establish their own mosques and hierarchy of religious authority won't last long, will they? I'm guessing that means a replacement of any existing radical religious authority. I can't imagine that being very pretty.

The Islamic Conundrum

by Amil Imani - Islam Watch - 2nd October, 2006

The dictionary defines religion as, “The expression of man’s belief and reverence for a superhuman power recognized as the creator and governor of the universe.” By this definition Islam qualifies as religion, so do numberless others. A definition this broad is ambiguous and must be further defined with the specific tenets and practices of the belief.
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In the case of Islam there is no ambiguity at all. The mosque and the state were one and the same from the very start. During his lifetime, Muhammad embodied in his person all three branches of worldly secular governance—the legislative, the judiciary and the executive—as well as the religious domain. As a messenger of Allah, he transmitted Allah’s laws, adjudicated according to those laws and implemented Allah’s design. He also prescribed a set of religious instructions for the spiritual life of the faithful.

After Muhammad, the Islamic rule was continued by Caliphs and Imams. To this day, wherever it is able, Islam governs as the state, either directly as is the case in Saudi Arabia, or indirectly as practiced in places such as the Islamic Republic of Iran.

When religion crosses the line that separates it from the state, serious problems present themselves. In the case of Islam, the rule of the people, by the people, for the people is supplanted by the rule of Allah, by the faithful to Allah, for the pleasure of Allah.
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To this day, in places where Islam rules many books are banned, newspapers and magazines are systematically either censored or shut down, and other non-print media are methodically blocked.

The contempt for free inquiry is encapsulated in the statement of Muhammad, “Al-elmo noghtatan katharoho al-jaheloon”—Knowledge is only one dot, expanded by the ignorant.

Once liberty is surrendered for submission, a host of serious consequences present themselves. The individual becomes little more than a passive obedient vessel of Allah and his perspective of himself and life is drastically changes. Once he submits to the all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-alls, then he is absolved of the responsibility of having to chart his own way in life.
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Sadly enough, instead of Muslims marching out of the suffocating swamps of submission to the meadow of liberty, Allah’s faithful aim to drag the rest of humanity into the deadly Islamic quagmire. Islam may have been an improvement to the life of the savages that roamed the Arabian desserts some 1400 years ago. The 21st century world is not willing to surrender to the clearly failed and failing Islamic experiment, simply because of the claim that it is the one and only true religion of Allah. ...-
http://www.islam-watch.org/
Islam under scrutiny by ex-Muslims

My kind of warrior: clear, concise and blunt. And willing to sacrifce herself should that be necessary, so that future generations won't have to be saddled with the servitude of Islam. Looking to the future for others is an encouraging sign, something our own Western elites tend not to do: It works for me, so who cares about how others are affected (thread on SSM, see lookout, in particular).

Notice how she talked about only going through this life once; in other words what we're living now isn't a dress rehearsal. We'd better get it right.

I am deeply impressed by her firmness, her seriousness, and her grasp of reality, that things will HAVE to get worse before they get better (a word to the naive whiners who think that this "war" has gone on too long; 'see how you like Dhimmitude, folks. I suspect you'll find your days ticking by rather slowly under a burqa).

Thanks for this Cjunk. And God bless and strengthen Wafa Sultan.

Excellent. And note what she says - that Islamics are prisoners within their own ideology and that they cannot, themselves alone, make their escape. They require help from the non-Islamic world, in the form of confrontative questions and criticism, in the form of a refusal to accept 'dhimmitude', a refusal to permit violence in the name of religion.

This is very important, and the multicultural relativism in Europe and Canada, that rejects questions, is only helping to continue the enslavement of the Muslim peoples within their ideology.

The fact that a political and social ideology, as Islam is, could be shielded from adaptive change by redefining those rules as religious orders, meant that Islam set itself up as outside of reality. Outside of facts. Beyond the realm of proof, of questions, of analysis.

That would be a problem only for them if its ideology was generous to other peoples, but its ideology rejects other peoples and assumes a legitimate right to enslave and control others.

So, the West must fight, must confront, must question, must reject the irrational and insist on Islam's 'transformation'.

Excellent concise critique...refreshing to hear a Muslim cll for a long over due reform in the Islamic church....like Christiandom underwent 500 years ago in an attempt to shed radicals and the grip of fundamentalist pontifs.

Wafa Sultan is excellent, well-spoken and to the point. She deserves all the encouragement she can get. However, I am not optimistic. Islam is more political than religious and the leaders are more interested ruling the world than in spreading religion. And I believe, from what I see happening, that they will achieve their goal. I see the "Hidden Imam" as the Antichrist.

I am thinking along the same lines, WL Mac. Pulling apart Islam and the state is going to be as difficult, if not more difficult, than the separation of Christianity and the state. I say "more difficult" because Islam has room to righteously use the sword to ensure its propagation. Christianity has no such edict. Chances are the tearing asunder of Islamdom will come with much more bloodshed than any aspect of Christian reformation.

The free world must get off the fence and side with people like her. The historical reality of Islam, Allah and the so-called prophet must be absorbed by western leaders first, in order to deal successfullly with the security threat brought by Islam into our own lands and then throughout the world.

As she said and many have observed: There are no moderates. Islam must be fully confronted and critisized with no apologies. Their demands must be rejected no matter how they're couched, or however they've manipulated our laws and tolerance.

Muslims are the victims of a most heinous cult and they must be stopped in their attempt to make the rest of the world victims as well.

Without what could be a bloody transformation, there is no peacful co-existence.

She's make a great UN leader . . . she would drive the Arb/Muzzy worls apoplectic and would be a breath of fresh air after Kofi "Klepto" Annan

What a breath of fresh air! unfortunately she'll probably be silenced. I think we've gone beyond the point of reason. Hopefully I'm just being cynical, but like in Japan in the forties, the only way to get these people's attention, will be with a nuclear warhead.

Everyone here should look at "the Sword of the Prophet" (forget the author) as well as Serge Trifkovic's writings on the subject.

I agree with Ms. Sultan: violence and intolerance are inherent in Islam...and with WMD in the hands of or nearly in the hands of Islamic powers I don't see much ahead but terrific bloodshed along the road to reform/transformation, if indeed that ever happens.

Meantime, I am dismayed by the increasing numbers of women wearing the abaya, shador, and yes, even the burkha that I see walking the streets of Vancouver........chilling! A big change from 2-3 years ago, never mind my youth and young adulthood (I'm one of the few who has lived here all my life).

The fedLibs have opened the floodgates and invited the enemy into our camp, simply to buy votes and stay in power.

Sorry, "Sword of the Prophet" IS written by Trifkovic, and well worth the read.I was thinking of another book by Bostom, "Legacy of Jihad".

SOMAS

Wonderful woman, but there's a fundamental flaw in her argument, If I hear it correctly.

She's calling for a complete separation of church and state as the necessary element to transform Islam. If we confine religion to "the church and home" as she calls for (i.e. with no space made for it in the workplace, and not applied as guiding principles for good government), we head down a slippery slope to dissolution and oppression.

Look at it another way, from a Christian perspective. The problem with making God a second class citizen is that over time a large vacuum develops in the hearts of men. In the west, it’s been filled with at worst totalitarian oppression, and at best relativist foolishness with sundry damage (drive-through divorce, erosion of accountability, destructive selfishness, religion with no meaning…).

My argument is that she goes too far. It is right to call for Islam to learn openness and compromise for non-believers, but the Jihadists are probably being quite perceptive that the abolition of God from the public sphere creates a decay in character and morality of proportions significant enough to unglue society. The psychopathic Jihadists hate that the west is trying to strip Allah as a guiding force in people’s lives. [this argument is not rebutted by the fact that the moral decay and failure in character of the Jihadists is miles beyond our own. The choice does not have to be between jihad and a decayed form of secularism]

The 20th century well chronicles the nation-state disasters arising from failed experiments in absolute eradication of God from the public sphere. Separation of church-state applies as a guiding principle, the west is taking it to an absolute level and is damaging itself in the process. The west is still cruising on the fumes of Judeo Christianity (ie still has a feel for right and wrong), but if this pace of God-abolition continues, our quality of life will seriously suffer.

A more constructive approach is to allow God the freedom accorded to ourselves. Test democracy and see if it withstands the challenge. I’m sure it will, it’s been by far the most successful form of government yet, during eras when God was still a household name.

Stated more succinctly, democracy and fundamental human rights are the answer, not church-state separation.

What a Pollyanna. She will be killed soon, and nobody will care.

So DDF proposes that the problem is not that church and state should be separated: it's just that in the case of Islam, it's the wrong religion.

Well, I won't disagree that Islam is a nasty piece of work, but I'm not so sure that certain Christians (like Shaidle) wouldn't impose their own version of the sharia.