"Arab culture may be from another solar system"

um.. no link?

speaking of destroying civilizations, seems the majority in one recent poll pegs dubya as the cause of a great deal of risk in the world.

whatcha say about that o right wingers?

'Dying for a cause we can't win'

Most Canadians agree the Afghan mission is a lost cause, poll suggests.
By ALEXANDER PANETTA, CP

OTTAWA -- A clear majority of Canadians consider the mission in Afghanistan a lost cause, according to an extensive survey that hints at deep public skepticism about the war on terror.

Decima Research polled more than 2,000 Canadians last month as Prime Minister Stephen Harper stepped up efforts to promote the mission.

Fifty-nine per cent of respondents agreed Canadian soldiers "are dying for a cause we cannot win," while just 34 per cent disagreed.

An even larger majority said they would never fight in Afghanistan themselves under any circumstances -- even if forced to by a military draft.

The online survey of 2,038 people was conducted Sept. 8 to 18 and is considered accurate to within 2.2 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

Respondents' doubts about Canada's chances in Afghan-istan paled in comparison with their downright dismissal of the overall U.S.-led war on terror.

"They might not be able to articulate what it is, or how it should come about, but they are going to be asking their political leadership for an alternative to lives being lost in vain."

Decima's survey also found:

- 74 per cent of respondents said Bush has made the world a more dangerous place, while just 15 per cent said he has made it safer.

- 67 per cent said they couldn't trust Bush's warnings about North Korea because he was "wrong about Iraq."

Now try to imagine reading that in the NYT or hearing a leading Democrat saying it, and you get some idea of the problem in the West itself.

ahhhhhh yes, so speaketh multiculturalism

I'd love to know who said that.

There is nothing as a model for humanity in the biography of Jesus, or what we know of him, his teachings, that couldn't place him comfortably in the 21st century. Mohammed is the fossilized poster boy for all of the tribal barbarity and ignorance of the 7th century. That's the huge cultural difference between us. And, add the Reformation, the Greeks, the Age of Reason, the Magna Carta, the Bill of Rights.....

To join us in the 21st century, the Koran is going to need some serious editing. Mohammed needs to be recast as all that we don't hold as exemplary anymore. That's at least another century of work for Muslims, that's if the imams start their reformation today.

Bottomline: many more decades of being casualties of the Death Cult on planet Earth in our future.

Norwegian TV Will Show Dreaded Cartoons of Blasphemy

The Danish Mohammed cartoons that sparked seething, rioting, and murder across the Islamic world will be broadcast on Norwegian television Monday night for the first time, in a documentary titled Threatened to Silence: Norwegian TV 2 will show Mohammad cartoons.

(VG Nett) This coming Monday the controversial Mohammad cartoons will be shown on Norwegian TV screens for the very first time. ...-
LGF

SORRY! I'm still not used to Kate's blogging template; mine inserts the links automatically.

The original story is at Gates of Vienna:

gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2006/09/arab-culture-may-be-from-another-solar.html

One more thing, our MSM, multiculti Dems/Libs/Lefties, and sniveling academics aren't helping Islam on its journey toward reform. They are assisting Islam in keeping its 7th century model at the core by refusing, as should be the duty of the enlightened, to hold the mirror up for them. It's not helping Islam by muzzling it's critics.

I think it's the Rants and Raves blogspot. And as I've been ranting and raving for months, it's a tribal mindset.

It isn't the case that their minds are genetically different - but that they have been raised within a tribal ideology - which is the exact opposite, point by point, to a non-tribal civic society ideology.

A peasant tribal mentality can't operate in an industrial economy. Russia realized that; China realized that. How did they move out of peasant tribalism into industrialism? By force, vicious, massive force, against their own people. It took the West four hundred blood-filled years to move out of its own peasant tribal (feudal) mentality into a civic society mode (1100 to 1500 approx). It took Russia and China one generation - because their revolutions murdered off most of the peasant generation and force-fed the new generation into a non-peasant mode.

The Do It In One Generation tactic required ultimate Totalitarian Authority. That achieved the end of the local villages, the kinship of hereditary tribes and clans (We Are All Communists and Brothers).

But a communal economy can't operate as an industrial economy, which requires private ownership, individual involvement in the work process. So, both the Soviet Union and China have had to move out of a communist top down centralized economy into a capitalist economy.

The ME didn't move out of definition of the Self by Clan and Tribe membership, didn't move out of an ideology supporting that tribalism (Islam) and, unlike Russia and China, has been able to support its exponentially increasing population. Russia and China had to industrialize. The ME has been able to exist, as a backwards tribalism, by exporting oil.

The thing about oil is that it's a one-way street. It requires no change in work behaviour and mental behaviour by the population. The majority have zilch to do with oil. The technology, infrastructure, operations etc have all been built by the West. The ME peoples didn't have the knowledge to extract the oil. And they still don't.

So, the mass of the population hasn't been changed by oil. Instead, the income has been 'given' to each and every citizen, to sustain them via basic sustenance and care. There is almost no private economic enterprises in these kingdoms; private enterprise is only small, local businesses.

So, the old mindset has prevailed because the need to change and develop a middle class, entrepreneurial, empowered, able to make decisions - hasn't happened. In Russia and China and India - you had to develop a population able to think for itself, start up businesses, make money.
In the ME, the money came in from oil; and no-one needed to lift a finger or - think a thought.

The result of this dysfunction, is a massive population constrained in a rigid, unyielding ideology that keeps them tribal; an ideology disguised as a religion and therefore unchangeable. This population is kept as low class, as disempowered, uneducated, passive and yet, faced with the realities of industrial power in other parts of the world.

These people, themselves, have no such power. They explode into fascism - against what they want. Freedom.

What has to be done? Democracy. They have to have power in their own countries. That's why Iraq and Afghanistan are so important.

And, the West has to refuse to give up the rights of democracy in their own countries. Fight, confront, reject 'dhimmitude'.

Tribalism/socialism = collectivism.

Allah will do it. The government will do it.

End result: Sloth (see 7 Deadly Sins).

Observations on Arabs

Extract:

This is expressed in the inshallah philosophy, “If God wills it.” A Palestinian friend of mine explained to me that even the weather forecaster will qualify his prediction, “It will rain tomorrow. Inshallah.” Or, “I will meet you tomorrow, inshallah.” (But God understands that I am a very unreliable person.)

I remember giving a pep talk to my students before a crucial exam, “You are all going to pass the exam, right?” “Inshallah teacher.” “No, no!” I shouted, “No inshallah. Study!”

This was once also characteristic of the former communist countries. Work was indifferently performed and maintenance was a real problem. A factory owner in Poland told me that machines he bought from Sweden lasted only half as long in Poland as they did in Sweden because of poor maintenance. However as soon as people were assured that they could keep a reasonable amount of what they worked for, people reverted to their true cultural patterns, worked plenty hard and started to take care of their tools and the public spaces. ...-
http://rantsand.blogspot.com/2006/09/observations-on-arabs.html

Thanks maz2 for the link. The Rants and Raves blogspot has the full text, and scroll down to see some of the comments, particularly one where the guy, John M, outlines his experience working in several ME countries.

In Egypt, where they insist that the Egyptian plane was brought down by The Americans, despite all evidence that it was a suicide by the pilot. But, Muslims don't commit suicide, according to the Koran, and therefore..

In SA, where the titular bosses are arab, but the real decisions and work are done by non-arabs. The ME hasn't educated its people and simply gives them jobs, paid by oil money, while the real work is done by a massive set of foreigners. That also means that, since they can purchase the expertise, the arab world doesn't have to educate itself to think in a causal, scientific and rational manner.

Note also the tribal hierachy - where Saudis think they are better than other Arabs. This goes along with my contention that the arab world is totally disinterested in a Palestinian state for two reasons. One, it rejects the very notion of a democracy and doesn't want a democratic arab state in its midst. Two, Palestinians are considered among the lowest of the low, in the Arab Hierarchy of Tribes.

A great link. I think we need to spread it.

Check out the source blog:
http://rantsand.blogspot.com/
including the great post called "The Hot Button Issue" (which pretty much sums up my views as well).

This guy sounds like a true liberal (in the classical meaning of the word).

I have said it before and will says it again: The Muslim world needs a period of Enlightenment, only then can a true and fruitful dialogue commence.

I'm wondering how the Iranians are gonna feel about "inshalla" when the Israeli Air Force turns Tehran into a black smoking hole with a tactical nuke.

Hmmm... that's kind of a downer. Think I'd rather be at Moosehead Monday.

http://hallsofmacadamia.blogspot.com/2006/10/moosehead-monday.html

Re: Jordan vs the so-called Palestinians.

Jordan is not a Palestinian state. Jordan is Jordan; its citizens are Jordanians.

Jordan drove the Arab refugees out of Jordan. ...-

As a result of the Six Day War in 1967, Jordan lost control of the lands west of the Jordan River, including East Jerusalem. Israel began its administration of the territories, which continues today. Jordan not only suffered heavy casualties but also lost much of its best farmland and, as well, had to cope with hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees who fled the Israelis by crossing the Jordan to the east.

Jordan maintained an uneasy relationship with its Palestinians, now the majority east of the Jordan. The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) constantly incited the Palestinians against Jordan even though Jordan gave them citizenship and in general treated them better than any other Arab land. By 1970 the PLO became such a threat to Jordan, and an international embarassment for Jordan because of their terrorism, that King Hussein drove them out of Jordan. ...-

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1967to1991_jordan_renounce_claims.php

I read the article and it's like revisiting your own memories!

As someone who spent the better part of a decade in Saudi I've told people the exact same things over the years...in almost the exact same words.

They DON'T think like we do: a buddy of mine, 25 years ago, said "They have no understanding of cause and effect".

Inshallah: I've said to clerks that we needed something typed TODAY, and been told "Yes, Inshallah"....for 3-4 times after that I'd say "Forget the Inshallah...we NEED it"......finally they'd say "Yes", and as you walk away you hear them say "Inshallah" under their breath!

Absurdity: I'd say to new arrivals from Canada..."Being here will make you the most gullible person......'cause after you've been around a while you'll believe ANYTHING"!!

Inshallah/Insanity: Evidence from Gaza.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein, (attributed)
US (German-born) physicist (1879 - 1955)

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'Gaza readying for war'
Weapons flowing, Palestinians training for battle

By Aaron Klein
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

JERUSALEM – Hamas has succeeded in smuggling "hundreds of tons" of weapons from Egypt into the Gaza Strip and is preparing for the possibility of launching a large-scale conflict with Israel, according to a report by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah party. ...-
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52231

Ah yes, life in The Gulf.

Nothing can lighten the mood in the coffee room more than hearing a colleague down the hall screaming into the phone ” Don’t give me any more Inshallah! Will it be delivered today or not?”
The casual use of inshallah always embarrassed our Palestinian delivery man. “That is not inshallah. They are using inshallah to lie to us and are defaming Allah.”

To coin a phrase - Amen to that!
Talk to any infidel contractor with Aramco and you will get an earful of stories about Saudi 'trainees' who will take off into the desert on a camel for a few days to 'refesh temselves' and perhaps poison a few wells. Without the foreigners doing the real work the KSA would soon devolve back to the seventh century technologically (they are already there mentally).

Inshalla is not what I want to hear from Madmud.. Mahoud.

Yes,

Time is flying. I have been asking politely and humbly, on sites like MichaelTotten . . * where are the moderate Muslim web sites?

Is there one? A very brave *Omar* of *Iraq the Model.*?

How he can run a blogsite in that hectic place is a miracle.

Omar is a real *Muslim,* so far, most others seem to be mere *Moslims.*

Are moderate Moslems a sea of cowards? If Omar has the guts to talk from inside Baghdad, surely moderates can screw up the courage to speak from the relative safety of North America.

Some have mentioned that Sistriani is a brave and moderate cleric leader in Iraq.

That at least is a start.

REAL Muslims, please come forward. Be anonymous if you like, but at least be brave enough to state that you understand that a blind rush into a nuclear face-off will advance nothing, yet it will poison the air and water we all need for life. Is there some Shiia law that prohibits you from speaking against nuclear poisoning?

Ahmadinejad is feeling all powerful, and who can blame him. With Pakistan, China and Russia backing him, who wouldn*t.

Mahoud pictures himself as the new *Anointed One*, and he could be if he were able to pause and declare, ** hey, wait a minute, no need to rush headlong into a big mess, let*s talk this over with reason.**

I fear he may not be the **Great One** and only sees one option with the *Big Club*.

And that is simply to swing it, smash everything and get every human, Muslim and infidel alike to bow down in submission. Inshalla?

The most worthless sick victory. = TG

The only thing that haulted Arabs on their fast track back to hunter/gathering was their damn oil fields.

They better watch themselves because what Allah giveth, occupying forces can take away. A few more big atrocities visited upon us in the west and maybe a lightbulb will go off in more than one western capital that it's time to take the Arab factor out of oil. Eventually, even the most spineless and sniveling lefties will figure out that their survival depends on cutting oxygen off to this monster.

I have covered the Death Cult that masquarades as a religion for many, many years:

-These are the Killer Links- the best ( or worst ) I could locate.--

That "shmuck" character is a disruptor and uncivil to boot- you need to deep 6 him.

One explanation I like is that "inshallah" pretty much means the same as "mañana," only without the sense of urgency.

Good one Mitch, ROTFLMAO.

You can take the Bedoin out of the desert but you can't take the Bedoin out of the Koran. That's why the golden years of the 7th century will continue on.

The Christian nuns' habits reflect the dress of the dark ages. Notice the similarities to the required Muslim dress? Luckly we've moved past that; Muslims are still locked to that. This was meant as example of the mind sets.

"Oh, east is east and west is west and never the twain shall meet" - Kipling

"East is east, and west is west,
And the wrong one I have chose".

Bob Hope.

Blood in the streets of England.

"Chief Supt Mike Barton, divisional commander ... was treating the incident as race-related."

"Race-related"? Islam is not a race; Islam is a religion.

More to come. ...-

UK : Hundreds clash in street battle
Lancashire Evening Post ^ | 10/02/2006

A teenager was stabbed when hundreds of people became involved in a battle on the streets of Preston. Trouble centred on the Jamea Masjid mosque in Clarendon Street, Avenham, for more than four hours last night (Sunday) and led to a massive policing operation.

Preston's police chief said the problems were triggered by local youths throwing stones at cars belonging to people attending the mosque.

This sparked a response from around 200 people inside the mosque who came out to defend those under attack.

It resulted in one 16-year-old Asian youth being stabbed in the arm, but ambulance crews were turned back as the police felt it was too dangerous for them to enter the scene.

Fighting continued into the early hours and led to police requiring back-up from officers as far away as Lancaster and Burnley. ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1712291/posts

Arab culture varies from country to country. It is not the Taliban.

ok4ua said: "It is not the Taliban."

Right. It's Hamas/Fatah/Taliban; same thing; all Muslim Islamist terrorists.

Inshallah's name. It's Allah's will. Fatalistic Muslims killing other fatalistic Muslims.

Inshallah. ...-

Palestinian tensions flare | October 2nd, 2006

GAZA (Reuters) - Gunmen from rival Palestinian factions killed three people and wounded at least 22 others in the Gaza Strip and West Bank on Monday as Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh of Hamas appealed for an end to the internal fighting. ...-
jack's newswatch

Don't whup me, boss. I'ze a-comin', boss.

Just fill/file me in on the Big Picture, boss.

Inshallah, boss. ...-

Waiting for the imam's return to Earth
The Times ^ | October 3, 2006 | Staff

THE followers of Moqtada al-Sadr believe that the US invaded Iraq to prevent the return to Earth of their sect’s messiah-like figure, the Mahdi, or 12th imam.

Hojatoleslam al-Sadr claims that his militia is preparing for the day when the Mahdi, the last direct descendent of the revered Shia figure Ali, reappears. Shia believe that the Mahdi, who disappeared in 868, will bring justice to Earth.

At a prayer service in the central Iraqi city of Kufa on September 15, the cleric told a crowd of thousands that the Americans were collecting a dossier on the Mahdi to prevent his return. “Did you ever ask yourself about why all of this, the bloodshed and the prisons? Why are the brothers fighting each other for a political game planned by the Americans? This all happened because they (the Americans) are waiting for the Mahdi. This planning started ten years ago. They have a big file for Imam Mahdi and they just need his picture to complete it.” ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1712373/posts

Like TG, I am troubled by the fact that moderate Muslim voices have not resoundingly condemned Islamic terrorism.

One can discount a certain amount of this voicelessness by understanding the fear of reprisals that many feel.

However, after that one is still left with the fact that moderates are sitting idly by, rhetorically.

This "inshallah" business sounds similar to kismet ("it is written").

This is really an issue that we in the West would discuss under the nature of free will.

Generally, in the West, we think we have a great deal of free will. God has not ordained everything that happens. People have either a moderate or large amount of self-determination. As a result, we take initiative and responsibility.

It appears that Islam regards everything that occurs in the universe as a constant outgrowth of the will of Allah acting in the universe. So I suppose when moderate Muslims see some terrorist act, they may not like it, they may not agree with it, and yet it is Allah's will. After all, it took place, did it not? It took place in God's universe, did it not? God ordains all that occurs as a Supreme Being, does he not?

In the West, we have theodicy. In philosohpy and theology, theodicy is derived from words meaning "deity" and "justice". And attempts to deal with the "evil" in the world. For example, tsunamis and other natural disaster that kill untold numbers of good and decent people -- how can this happen?

Generally, the structure is that is God is omniscient, then God knows everything that is going to happen in the universe. If God is omnipotent, then he has the power to not only foresee bad things that are going to happen, but also to stop them. And yet, God does not stop them.

This means from the point of view of theodicy, that possibly God is either not all-powerful, or is not all-knowing, or is not all-good.

In the West, when these things happen, there are various arguments, but most of the time Western religion simply says that we do not have the capacity to ultimately understand supreme, divine nature, and therefore God's ways are ultimately mysterious to us.

Very well. God is ultimately good, but we in our finite capacity do not have the ability to fathom the ultimate intentions or workings of infinite intelligence. And this is, when you think about it, a fairly realistic way of looking at a divine nature at the same time you look at things that are inexplicable. It may not be helpful, but it's pretty realistic.

Well, it appears that Islam is completely fatalistic. There is no point in criticizing terrorism or people flying planes into buildings, because if it happened, it is Allah's will. There is nothing to be explained. It happened, didn't it? Therefore it is pointless to critcize the workings of what is obviously divine nature doing what divine nature wills in divine nature's universe.

Needless to say, you are not going to get much criticism out of an orientation like that.

I believe that we should intellectually support Pope Benedict's proposition. And we should say to Islam, "Look you may think you have a religion, but we think you just have a social-political system. As long as you are doing violence in the name of God, we will never dignify Islam as a religion. You may think Islam is a religion, but as far as we're concerned, Islam is not a religion."

Report via LGF.

The only words of relevance to Islam in this portion of the report are "Pakistan" and "Pakistani".

These people are Muslims, whose religion is Islam.

Political correctness at its deadliest.

Islam: a religion of killing sisters. ...-

Honor Killing in Oslo?

Three sisters shot and killed.

A 30-year-old man was in police custody and under observation at Ulleval University Hospital Monday after he’s believed to have shot and killed all three of his sisters at the family’s home in Oslo Sunday night.

The three sisters, aged 13, 24 and 27, lived in the flat in Oslo’s Kalbakken district with their three brothers, their wives and children. The 30-year-old brother was the oldest, and police said he functioned as head of the household when the retired patriarch of the family was on one of his trips to Pakistan, as he was this week. ...-

Thanks for the link Kathy. Great find; well worth the read.

We have an apparent 'Honor Killing' here in Ottawa: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2006/09/21/sadiqi-shooting-elmvale.html

The brother turned himself in...and the media are silent.

We have an apparent 'Honor Killing' here in Ottawa: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2006/09/21/sadiqi-shooting-elmvale.html

The brother turned himself in...and the media are silent.

Essay includes this quote from General Lewis MacKenzie:

In a commentary, “We bombed the wrong side?”

former Canadian UNPROFOR Commander Lewis MacKenzie wrote,

“The Kosovo-Albanians [Muslims] have played us like a Stradivarius.

We have subsidized and indirectly supported their violent campaign for an ethnically pure and independent Kosovo.

We have never blamed them for being the perpetrators of the violence in the early ’90s and we continue to portray them as the designated victim today in spite of evidence to the contrary.

When they achieve independence with the help of our tax dollars combined with those of bin Laden and al-Qaeda,

just consider the message of encouragement this sends to other terrorist-supported independence movements around the world.”

Who Are We, Who Are Our Enemies – The Cost of Historical Amnesia
The Brussels Journal ^ | 10/03/2006 | Fordjman

“The Jihad, the Islamic so-called Holy War, has been a fact of life in Europe, Asia, Africa and the Near and Middle East for more than 1300 years, but this is the first history of the Muslim wars in Europe ever to be published. Hundreds of books, however, have appeared on its Christian counterpart, the Crusades, to which the Jihad is often compared, although they lasted less than two hundred years and unlike the Jihad, which is universal, were largely but not completely confined to the Holy Land. Moreover, the Crusades have been over for more than 700 years, while a Jihad is still going on in the world. The Jihad has been the most unrecorded and disregarded major event of history. It has, in fact, been largely ignored. For instance, the Encyclopaedia Britannica gives the Crusades eighty times more space than the Jihad.”

The quote is from Paul Fregosi’s book Jihad in the West from 1998. Mr. Fregosi found that his book about the history of Islamic Holy War in Europe from the 7th to the 20th centuries was difficult to get published in the mid-1990s, when publishers had the Salman Rushdie case in fresh memory. ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1712582/posts

CHRISTAINS ARE FROM EARTH ISLAMIC FANATICS ARE FROM YAVIN

Gaza-West Bank: Civil war watch.

Muslims killing Muslims. ...-

Hamas member killed in West Bank

NABLUS, West Bank (AP) - Masked men killed a local Hamas activist before dawn Wednesday as he set out for morning prayers in the northern West Bank, witnesses said .
canoe news

Reference Nemo2's 10/3 04:05 AM posting on the possible "honor" killing.

I find it hard to imagine any other motive for a young Muslim man to murder his own sister.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if these "honor" murders are occurring in the US and Canada, as they are in Europe.

Has anyone seen any follow up stories elsewhere on this Ottawa murder case?

Reference Nemo2's 10/3 04:05 AM posting on the possible "honor" killing.

I find it hard to imagine any other motive for a young Muslim man to murder his own sister.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if these "honor" murders are occurring in the US and Canada, as they are in Europe.

Has anyone seen any follow up stories elsewhere on this Ottawa murder case?

WUPS, sorry about the double post!