A Tim Hortons Soldier Fires Back

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From the comments of the CTV Politics blog (responding to a quote from the Senlis Council's Norine MacDonald in this CTV story);

Re: The Afghanistan conundrum
by Trevo on Sun 29 Oct 2006 08:29 AM EST | Profile | Permanent Link

I'm not quite sure where you're going with the "Our military base in Kandahar has a Burger King and a Tim Hortons. And 15 minutes away, there are children dying of starvation," comment.

Is it a time issue that determines who should help these children you mention? Is the Tim Hortons you go to, far enough away that you don't care about starving children? Do you really think that because our coffee is closer to starvation, we should feel guilty? So are you saying the closer I am with my coffee to the problem of starving children, the worse I should feel? Further to that, because you are really, really far away, it’s not your concern?

What are you doing about the children of Afghanistan? You're sitting back in your recliner, after turning up the thermosat and having a warm shower, and deciding we (Canadian soldiers)should feel bad for having a coffee becuase we're closer than you to starving children. So you put down the newspaper, tell the kids to go outside and play, and head over to your computer to “throw” your opinion out there. We're trying to help these kids. We're giving girls the chance to go to school and we are doing our best to make this a safer place for everyone. Some of the greatest people i have ever met in my life have died trying to help these people. We leave our families, missing birthdays, funerals, new births, hockey games, and every comfort we as Canadians can enjoy. Now, we have a Tim Hortons to microscopically ease the burden of putting our lives on hold for 6 months, and bring our morale up for the 7 minutes it takes to drink a double-double.

For me personally, the hardest part of my job was not going to Afghanistan, Bosnia, or Kosovo, but it was the fact that I put my life on the line so that people like you can have these opinions.

Mcpl Trevor Hill (Ret.)
1 RCR


(Thanks to reader Jim L. for this - and to those others of you who find these hidden gems and send them along for consideration.)


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Bravo, bravo! Brilliant....the very best part is the last sentence...."For me personally, the hardest part of my job was not going to Afghanistan, Bosnia, or Kosovo, but it was the fact that I put my life on the line so that people like you can have these opinions." Got that pinkos? And the really, really sad part of it is that it is the actions of the pinkos that actually put our finest in the greatest danger.

Roll up the Rim to win.

Beauty.

Among all the gems this was a diamond!

Kudos to the Master Corporal!!!

He cuts to the chase in the last line. In other words, in defending freedom and putting his life on the line, he protects the rights of worthless A-holes who don't deserve the freedom they haven't earned. You would think that the ungrateful degenerates who take their freedoms for granted would use a little common sense and be a little more respectful of those who sacrifice on their behalf.

I paraphrase but: These effete, latte-sipping pantywaists are free because hard men (and now women) are willing to do violence on their behalf. It is no virtue or moral greatness to denounce the military's violence using the freedoms gained through the violence of military men. It is moral cowardess and intellectual hypocrisy.

The downside of liberal democracy is that you can't exclude the scum and vermin from enjoying the rights and freedoms even if they don't deserve them.

With November 11 soon approaching, I'd like to state my profound thanks for all of those who have served in the military on behalf of all Canadians including myself. Without these extraordinary people and their sacrifices, we would be living in the bondage of tyranny or dead.

I have a few friends who, although they didn't pay the ultimate sacrifice, came back with serious injuries from their tours that they will never fully recover from. If you enjoy your freedom, thank a vet.


nothing like wiping the smug off the faces of Taliban Jack & the rest of his defeatist ilk.

If you can read these comments...thank a teacher.

If you can read them in english...thank a soldier!

Me thinks we have an election slogan, or this should be one.

I saw those 'man-in-the-street' interviews and if that is an edit of the brightest that London Ontario has to offer than we are in deepr trouble than we realize.

Besides the coffee/starving children rant, there was some moonie that thought there should be no Canucks over there but also there should be no borders and countries. Koom By ya, eh. Then there was a few that figured we were there because Bush told us to. And let's not forget the 'let's build schools' theme (when the Taliban isn't shooting at you). Fair and balanced journalism... yeah, right.

And John Effin "Scary" Kerry tells young voters that they better "get and education" or they will be "stuck in Iraq."

I am truly very deeply sick of these anti-war dumbfucks.

Maybe it's time we suspend the war in the ME and wage war on Socialism at home. Then we can get back to business and help those that are friggin THANKFUL.

Well said Master Corporal.

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight... is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself". John Stuart Mill

What a wonderful post; he said it perfectly.

It should be posted and reposted everywhere.

I am told it is actually the Ice Caps that is the big hit over there, no surprise when it is 40 above.
We are in Afghan because we are part of the United Nations.The dingbats frame this as a Canadian only initiative, they lambasted the U.S. for not waiting for the UN, we are working under the UN on this one.
Jack Layton wants more construction.If we took all the troops out of the field and put them to rebuilding would that work for Jack?
If we were losing countless troops while they were on construction duties would that be OK with Jack?
Will the left ever wake up?

Further proof that the members of the military are not only braver than the lefties, but clearer-thinking and more articulate, as well.

Good for him putting those asshat MSM moonbats in their place.

The MSM also overlooked this story....."Afghanistan bravery medals well buried by liberal media"
http://www.proudtobecanadian.ca/index/weblog/5771/

Ever since VietNam, being in the military is a real act of martyrdom.

When you get back, basically no one will understand you. They'll either want to condemn you (they like to call my people baby-killers), or they'll want to cast you as some figure out of a Tom Clancy novel.

The Left will excoriate you and try to publicly disgrace you by charges of evil and brutality that make you sound like Hannibal Lecter. The Right will want to co-opt you into a chauvinistic display that associates your service with a ratification of someone's political agenda.

Either way, you'll be wandering around wondering WTF.

Down here mostly we confine our conversations to other ex-military guys. They'll be your biggest possibility of a meeting of the minds.

Don't expect your government to do anything for you. You'll soon find that the big government productions are basically used as vehicles for a lot of politicians to wear patriotism on their sleeves. I've seen a lot of ceremonies on TV out of the corner of my eye while I was busy with other matters. The politicians and the brass do a lot of posturing, but I would only have a moment to wonder, "What in the hell does that have to do with me?"

One time I tried to advance the idea that taxes be reduced 15% for life, for people who have actually spent time in a combat zone.

Well, that didn't go anywhere at all. I guess they went out and built another monument.

All I can tell you is that a whole lot of guys are in your same fix and understand where you're coming from. And we need you as much as you need us.

It's going to take a few years for all this to sink in for some. I never actually had anyone spit on my uniform, but I've come close.

So all I can say is welcome back and good luck. There are a whole lot of guys on both sides of the border who are right there with you. We've managed to adjust to the whole thing, and you can too.

You know what you've done, and no one can ever take away from you whatever effects that has had.
In some way you now know you have capacities that your critics will never understand. Just be aware that you're going to get a little approval and a lot of disapproval, but it's rarely going to come from someone who understands where you are coming from.

Greg,
I think that's a plausible and noble idea, the lifetime tax break for combat service.

When America has rid itself of the disease of socialism, maybe that will fly.

Thank you for your service.

My blood is boiling. Why should our soldiers have to dodge brickbats as well as bullets?? Anyway, it provides further proof that the latte suckers couldn't care less about our troops. Bastards!!

Okay, I've got to ask...

In this refugee camp who is actually in control? I mean every single camp like this is run and administered by one group or another. What NGO runs this one?

Perhaps McDonnald should look into that organization first.

For example when in Bosnia and Kosovo I was rather surprised to see the UNICEF guys driving around in brand new Toyota Landcruisers. As far as I am concerned they are, overpaid for the actual amount of work they do and spend far too much money on comforts for the workers as opposed to assisting the poor people of these war torn regions. In Kosovo, the story was no different, there were compounds full of unused vehicles and I can not recall a single time I saw a UNHCR or UNICEF "patrol" out and about in the worst hit areas.

Ms McDonnald should direct her anger where it is warranted, the Aid agencies and NGO's whose job it is to ensure these people are fed and cared for, not at our soldiers/the military effort.

NEWSFLASH!!!

The peacekeeping dream this moron assumes to lecture us on has not existed since 1996 when NATO went into Bosnia and finally sorted that mess out after 5 years of UN and NGO best wishes and whining.

It certainly takes less time to blow up a school than to build one, or is that open to debate? If they are blown up as fast as they are built, who does that help? Or is the construction aspect an attempt to improve the economy? As for providing food, it seems to me our people (and children) get blown up when handing candy out to kids. I think more resposibility needs to be put on the Afgan people to stand up for what they want; do they want to move forward to more freedom, or go back to where they were. And their leaders need to be involved in the "ways and means".
My concern is that our short sighted views of "appeasement" and humanitarian mindset seems to be precipitating attitudes of entitlement in the supposedly "free" societies (France?) where people with grievances seem to be turning to violence as a solution. And of course, if you feel entitled, you will never be grateful, because----well----your entitled!

Judge Orders Release of Abu Ghraib Child Rape

NEW YORK A federal judge ruled today that graphic pictures of detainee abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison must be released over government claims that they could damage America's image. Last year a Republican senator conceded that they contained scenes of "rape and murder" and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said they included acts that were "blatantly sadistic."
What is shown on the photographs and videos from Abu Ghraib prison that the Pentagon has blocked from release? One clue: Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told Congress last year, after viewing a large cache of unreleased images, "I mean, I looked at them last night, and they're hard to believe." They show acts "that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhumane," he added.

Then we have all the Gangbangers, Aryans and neo Nazi's learning how to be efficient killers.

Earlier this year, it was reported that an expected transfer of 10,000 to 20,000 troops to Fort Bliss, Texas, caused FBI and local law enforcement to fear a turf war between "members of the FolkNation gang ... (and) a criminal group that is already well-established in the area, Barrio Azteca." The New York Sun wrote that, according to one FBI agent, "FolkNation, which was founded in Chicago and includes several branches using the name Gangster Disciples, has gained a foothold in the Army."

The New York Times noted that the neo-Nazi magazine Resistance is actually recruiting for the U.S. military, urging "skinheads to join the Army and insist on being assigned to light infantry units." As the magazine explained, "The coming race war and the ethnic cleansing to follow will be very much an infantryman's war. ... It will be house-to-house ... until your town or city is cleared and the alien races are driven into the countryside where they can be hunted down and 'cleansed.' "

Whats gonna happen when these types get home? Not only are they learning to kill but they'll be coming home with even greater psychological problems...

So exactly what are we doing?

You said it all Trevor. And I am going out to buy another poppy. Thanks.

I wonder if PET started all this soft-on-dictatorship thing with his Nazi-helmut-motorcycle disgrace ?

I remember the Paliamentary exchange, but I cannot remember the MP's name. He was a brother to the comedian staring in the movies, Airplane, Naked gun. He shot back at Trudeau, "I will stack my war/military record up against yours anyday !!"

It would have been all over right there and then had the Media not already been on their Pravda-like way.

Who's this "we" you speak of?

From where I sit, "you" are the only thing that good men throw their lives "away" for, in the pursuit and protection of liberty.

You and your ilk truly don't deserve them, your own saving grace the possibility that you - through no fault of your own -lack the intellectual capacity to understand that.

the existance of american name brands on army bases in occupied countries only serves to rub the noses of the little girls you muslim-hating bigots claim to want to save in the crap that is american consumerism.

Jeff, calm down and put your thoughts into an intelligent sentence or three. Otherwise, carry on the self medication and stay off the internet.

Grow up Jeff..stop reading fiction and engage in the real world..

B_hoax, I suspect you're thinking of Leslie Neilsen's brother, being Erik?

My, my Jeff, speaking of bigotry, it just screams out our your post!!!

"A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own."

Just thought you needed a definition since you are a bigot acording to the dictionary. You are also full of crap if you think local muslims, especially little girls, get to go inside American Base Green Zones - maybe Canadian Bases would allow a few escorted Elders in but thats it. The hatred you feel for Americans is obvious to all who read it, you must feel so angry all the time. Have you ever travelled to the US, do you even know an American or are all your opinions formed from reading the Toronto Star?

What have you done to help? Have you contibuted to any NGO that helps at all? Have you done anything but whine? Did you even read the comment we are discussing or just open your gob and vent?

I am afraid your lack of logical reasoning and bigotry make you the troll on this blog today. Your comment was a worthless throw away, you must feel so proud to release all that bile.

Your comment just exemplifies what the MCpl was talking about - ...."For me personally, the hardest part of my job was not going to Afghanistan, Bosnia, or Kosovo, but it was the fact that I put my life on the line so that people like you can have these opinions."

You are an example to others jeff - Bravo...

oh boy...what's old is new...same crap to my bro when he returned from somalia...same crap to my other bro when he returned from gulf war 1(BLOOD BROTHERS)...and yes, i did have my uniform spit on...right after an honor guard for sadat....same crap, same moonbats, different decade.....GO ARMY

Jeff,
Your argument has no credibility until you decide to move to hinterlands, renouce individual liberty, a liberal education, equality before the law and every convenience of capitalistic society that I'm quite certain you take advantage of every day.

So go fuck yourself.

Many thanks to Mcpl Trevor Hill and the other brave men and women who protect us along with our rights and freedoms.

Shame on the ones that unthoughtlessly criticize.

Geez Jeff , maybe they would like to have a Barbie Doll and keep their girls parts as well.

i have an idea...let's form a new force...CMF...canadian moonbat forces....make talibanjack the commander...give them a fleet of iltis jeeps...and let them go save the world....how long till u think they would be screaming for our "real heroes" to come save them,??????

neutralsam first of all we are talking about Canadian soldiers here not US soldiers. Having served for 21 years in the CF I have never seen any of the problems your post suggests.

Your post is about as connected to the CF as you appear to be to reality... NOT!

Your insult to the men and women of the CF has not gone unnoticed however so I invite you to take a swig from a big cup of STFU, you whiny, misguided, misbegotten son of questionable parentage. Until you find the nerve to put your lazy a$$ on the line for this country and serve with those who have, your cut and paste opinion is just so much horsesh!t.

Why don't you go out and get a cranial rectal inversion and complete the process you have already mentaly started.

one more thought...as witnessed by the numerous deaths of our troops caused by crapola eqpt(iltis jeeps, g-wagons, etc)i think that we might have to re-phrase that popular lib/dipper expression "peace dividend"...the only benefit our forces saw since the days of dief/pearson is a lib induced "death dividend"...and i must say, all of my vet buds r in agreement on that one.....GO ARMY...feel free to quote me

commsguy, You are also full of crap if you think local muslims, especially little girls, get to go inside American Base Green Zones - maybe Canadian Bases would allow a few escorted Elders in but thats it. The hatred you feel for Americans is obvious to all who read it, you must feel so angry all the time. Have you ever travelled to the US, do you even know an American or are all your opinions formed from reading the Toronto Star?

clearly the whoppers and timbits are reserved for the soldiers, burger king and tim horton's are merely untouchable symbols of occupation to the afghans.
as for your suggestion that i hate america, well, some of my favourite people are americnas. this list includes my sister and her family. btw, they think bush is an asshole too.
finally, i can assure that my travels have included the states more times than you could fathom and many other places on the planet that you may never have even heard of......
to the rest of you...big kiss.

GOD BLESS Mcpl Trevor Hill (Ret.)and all those that stand for FREEDOM

Unlike the scumwads that the MCpl was talking about "I put my life on the line so that people like you can have these opinions."

I forget where I gleaned the following from butit says it all....
"The real enemy is within us, in the immense constituency of the semi-educated narcissists vomited by our universities each year - the glib, smug, liberal, left-leaning and defeatist victim culture, that inhabits academe, the media, the legal establishment and the bureaucratic class. These are the self-appointed opinion leaders of our society, who live almost entirely off the avails of taxation, who make their livelihoods biting the hands that feed them, and who strive to undermine the moral order on which our solidarity and security depends. These are the greatest threat to our western civilization."

Tim's got the message, eventually.

Ask Lowell Green, CFRA (AM), Ottawa, how Tim's got the message. Call the Lowell Green Show; ask Lowell; ask 100,000 listeners of the CFRA Nation.

Who called Lowell, live, on air? RSVP ...-

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to Mcpl Trevor Hill and Greg in Dallas. Contrary to what MSM would have you believe, there is a lot of support for you guys and the majority of the people I know have nothing but the utmost respect for what you are trying to accomplish. Ignore assholes like Jeff (and Jeff, I have traveled extensively throughout the good ole U.S. and you really are out to lunch).
We Salute you!

Kudos to MCpl. Hill and also to Harry R for the quote.

jeff:

People who are against radical Islamic Terrorists are certainly not "bigots" and certainly not against people of the Muslim faith. If your in the terrorist camp get the hell over and fight with the Taliban, it's obvious you are not with your Country, you are spouting traitorous rhetoric.

You can thank your sorry hide for the brave men now fighting and those who have gone before that you have the freedom to spout such despicable crap.

If you have the mental capacity of a Moron we'll forgive you, if not, you're a total Arsehole.

jeff said: " many other places on the planet that you may never have even heard of......" Oh hey, name a couple...perhaps I've been there ;-)

MCpl Hill (I'd say Ret but do you really? or just take off the uniform) Well put! How many have put down their TimBits in sympathy of a starving youth somewhere else in the world? As for Jeff, get your world aligned and well come to Canada. Where else in this world have you been? Maybe I have been there too????

Proud to serve my country (even with Jeffs in it!)

MCpl Hill (I'd say Ret but do you really? or just take off the uniform) Well put! How many have put down their TimBits in sympathy of a starving youth somewhere else in the world? As for Jeff, get your world aligned and well come to Canada. Where else in this world have you been? Maybe I have been there too????

Proud to serve my country (even with Jeffs in it!)

Sad to say, they aren't fighting for liberty but for the Bush regime. The people of Afghanistan are well aware of that - every empire that has ever invaded them has claimed to be defending liberty - and I fear that some of them will take their revenge. In short, "the troops" are not protecting my liberty but endangering my life. And of course endangering theirs - and for what? (No, it's not for "freedom". That's what the rich and powerful always tell us when they want us to kill and die for them.)

exile says "Sad to say, they aren't fighting for liberty but for the Bush regime." No, what is really sad is that people like you benefit from the sacrifices of those with some backbone. But then, you are a left winger and are used to living off the sacrifices of others.

It is these instances, few and far between, that I would agree with consoring the viewpoints of spew such as Jeff and exile.

They are embarassing to all of us.

Global National has a 'Tim Hortons for troops' poll:
http://www.canada.com/globaltv/national/index.html

Jeff , your imagination is not really a place.

Hey, exile, no kidding the Afghanis are fighting for/with the "Bush regime", it snuffed out the dreaded Taliban and gave them their first free election. Maybe that mail didn't make it into your box.

i can assure that my travels have included ..... many other places on the planet that you may never have even heard of......

Give us one, jeff. One.

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