North Korea has probably tested a nuclear weapon and Iran appears to be on track to do the same thing. How should the world’s leading nations react to Pyongyang’s action?
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One detail that I have not heard mentioned in either the mainstream media or in discussion on talk radio is this little known fact – the Korean War has never officially ended, but has been in a state of ceasefire since 1953.
With North Korea still technically at war with the South, one would think the development of nuclear weapons would be taken a little more seriously by those who have been working overtime to convince themselves that Pyongyang is simply sabre rattling to help cut themselves a more lucrative diplomatic deal.
(see also – Senator John McCain on North Korea, guest blogging at Captains Quarters.)
So far “Destroy the nuclear facility” is leading by taking 35% of the votes.
Let’s see how the “Mop & Pail” gives the nuclear flash a ‘workover’.
This looks like an “Il” defined problem for the Mop & Pail.
MY thoughts go back to the selection of Vancouver to host the 2010 Olympics.
What city was the semi-finalist? Can you believe Pyongyang? I still can’t believe it.
How could the Olympic committee seriously consider N.Korea to host the Olympics? This kind of thing shows how so many heads are stuck… in the sand (I’ll say it nice).
In an ideal world with ideal allies, meaning countries with common principles and spines, both NK and and Iraq should have their facilities taken out before they have finished products. The US can’t do this alone.
This little mess, I’m hoping will backfire on the Chinese who keep NK on life supports, I suspect, for their own political agenda. For Russia and China mischief and mayhem keeps the US off guard. The US should hand over immediately to Japan nuclear weapons, a nuclear submarine, and a missile defense system. The one thing the Chinese do not want is a nuclear Japan as an Asian counter-balance.
Another Gobbin’ Male poll going so horribly, horribly wrong.
As I see it there were three possibilities:
– NK screwed up on their bomb design and it fizzled
– they detonated 550 tons of TNT and pretended that they had gone nuclear
– they tested a suitcase nuke
So, it was either a failure, a feint, or a successful test of a terrorist device. In any of these three instances, the proper response remains the same: for the USA and China to work together to bring an end to the Kim regime.
“Destroy the nuclear facility” is leading by taking 47% of the votes.
Oh man the ‘knuckle draggers’ who read the Mop & Pail are all turning into neanderthals with big clubs!!
Never thought I’d see the day.
Gee, Kimmie are you feeling “Il” now?
Excuse me now, while I order my iodine pills.
I found the option ‘Use Diplomacy’ amusing….presented as if it is a guaranteed ‘resolution’……..better it should have read…’Shall we make YET another attempt to use diplomacy’.
Suitcase nukes for sale: Dirty nukes, cheap.
Call Maurice Strong at the UN office in Pyongyang, NK; ask for Tongsun Park. COD ($US)only.
Preferential treatment given to Muslim Islamic terrorists. …-
S. Korean Lawmaker, “Russia might have given N. Korea know-how of miniature nukes”
Chosun Ilbo ^ | 10/11/06
/begin my translation S. Korean Lawmaker, “Russia might have given know-how of miniature nukes to N. Korea” Kong Sung-jin, a S. Korean opposition lawmaker at Intelligence Committee of National Assembly, told on Oct. 11, “We have intelligence that the reason why Russia is the first nation N. Korea gave advance warning of its nuclear test is because Russia gave N. Korea technology for miniaturizing nukes. They are trying to verify the allegation.” Legislator Kong appeared on ‘Open World Today with Chang Sung-min,’ a news talk show of Pyong-hwa Radio, and commented, “Russia and China were the first to know N….-
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it would appear that the 2 years my step-father spent fighting in korea was a gigantic waste of time…at the end of the day, the war is still on, and the nut job has nukes….lovely
I have to admit to being totally puzzled by the agenda of N.Korea. What do they want? I am coming to believe that the agenda is a pathological private focus of its demented leader, Kim.
What is the agenda of deliberately rejecting economic development, as N.Korea has done? Its industrial infrastructure is a catastrophic decaying shambles, it cannot provide heat, light, shelter, food, to its citizens and it has no-one but itself to blame.
It has insisted on a centralized control of the economy, it has put all its money into a military rather than an economic infrastructure. Why? The self-image of a demented leader is the only conclusion I can come to.
It has a strict censorship over its people, no cell phones, no internet, no knowledge of the outside world and endless propaganda based on a cult of the leader.
It is now saying that IF the US ‘doesn’t talk nice’, then this ‘not being nice to us’ is an act of war. That’s quite the claim. Can you imagine the US saying that any criticism of its policies is an actual physical ‘act of war’ and will be met with force? That’s the rhetoric we’ve been hearing from the Islamic fascists as well. That’s merging the verbal into the physical. So much for freedom of expression taking precedence to physical violence. Fascist regimes merge the two.
But, the focus on the US??? What about other countries such as Japan, Australia, UK, and yes, Canada, and yes, China? Are they alone allowed to criticize?
What does N.Korea want? It wants one on one ‘talks’ with the US? Why? What’s the agenda? The US has always refused and insisted on a six party talk, that includes China, Japan, etc – all countries affected by N.Korea.
So- I admit to being totally, completely befuddled. I don’t understand what N.Korea wants. It certainly is not interested in the economic well-being of its citizens.
China is terrified of N.Korea collapsing, because of the massive refugee mov’t into China that would result. S.Korea is too close, ethnically and geographically, to confront. Many people, after all, have relatives in N.Korea.
I think we know what Iran wants, for a comparison. It wants control of the ME, as its own empire; that’s a practical if undesirable ambition. After all, France wants the same in Europe, it wants control of Europe, and it would also like to partner with Iran in control of the ME.
Al Qaeda, on the other hand, has a purely ideological rather than practical ambition, it wants a universal Islamic world and is supremely indifferent to the economic collapse that would result. The US wants the spread of democracy and a capitalist economy over the world; I don’t see this as an imperialist agenda, unlike France, Iran. The US will allow the open market and competition to accomplish its well-being. After all, it didn’t win all scientific Nobels this year for nothing. It doesn’t need political control.
But Korea? What does Kim want???
China and Russia could well stop N.Korea’s nuclear arms building if they were truly serious about doing so.
Both are still essentially communist countries as Putin is choking out free institutions and taking on old communistic tendencies.
They need and want Korea in their sphere of influence.
Communism lives in their minds as a world order, just as the muslim jihadis do for theirs.
Japan may have to consider going nuclear to convince the Chinese and the Ruskies to force N.Korea out of the nuke business.
Let’s hope George W. Bush ‘splains that to the commies shortly.
No, I completely disagree with Joe Molnar. I don’t think that China and Russia are still communist and they have no agenda of expanding communism. They know that politically and economically, a centralized state with a focus on state-run institutions and a leveling of the economy to one level, which is what communism is, is disastrous.
Both are moving out of communism, and Russia is moving back to its old elitist two class level, with a very rich class and a massive lower class. That’s not communist; that’s old Russia. China is moving into an entrepreneurial middle class.
Again, I don’t understand the agenda of N.Korea and can only describe it as the demented ideology of one person, their leader, who has complete dictatorial control over the country.
The Bird Cage liner’s pole is now leaning towards destroying the nuclear facility, that won’t last when their fans wake up, however any thinking person would agree with that option. Kim Jung Il has got to be taken seriously. In spite of his silly appearance he is an unpredictable time bomb.
Cooked polls at the Globe & Mail?
As far as the Globe & Mail’s poll, I’m not excessively optimistic the final numbers will be, shall we say, an accurate representation of the actual votes.
Very recently, they had a poll (complete with loaded question bashing the Conservatives) asking if Canadians approved of official recognition of homosexual marriage. I and another person kept checking the numbers, which showed a steady 2-1 against. All of a sudden, when the poll was being finalized, it became a 50-50 split.
Am I suggesting I think the left-wing Globe & Mail would change the numbers on poll results they didn’t like because the results didn’t agree with their leftist viewpoint and agenda?
Yes.
What does everyone else think on that suspicion? How much do you trust the integrity of the people of the Globe & Mail?
Apropos of North Korea, there’s an extremely insightful analysis, entitled “The Hungry Prison Guards Get Nukes”, at the website Strategy Page.
We surely won’t see such high quality analysis as this in the vast majority of the MSM.
The URL is http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/korea/articles/20061010.aspx
Right, Dave, I too watched that poll, surprised they “allowed” a 50-50 split, very generous of them. They and everyone else knows it’s considerably heavier on the no to same-sex marriage side. That would be reality, which is ignored by the Left on all fronts.
Trust? Never.
Dave. Trust polls ? Do we trust; media spin ? Sponsorship Program ? Anchor’s choice for expert opinion ? Proffessor’s unbiased opinion ? accurate-to-within-2%-19/20 ?
And I’ll ask again (7 th time). Has anyone ever seen raw polling data ? the list of those questioned ?
ET:
I think it’s all about macho, or “face”, with Kim.
Not what “Korea” wants, but what the dictator wants.
If he meets one-on-one with the US, he can be seen as an equal, pandering to the childish bully’s insecurities. If it’s six-way, then he’s no more powerful than the other “little guys”.
No more complex than simply the childish personal issues of a guy with a small-dick syndrome.
*sigh*
Just what I thought the Birdcage Liner, (G&M), poll is now closing in with the option of, guess what? Diplomacy over destroying the facility! Of course all the Lefties are up and at it by now, true to form, as with all polls you get the results you seek. They sure know their clientel.
Dave:
Do I trust Internet polls (or any other kind) run by the Mop & Pail? In two words, “HELL NO!”
That’s correct, the Korean war has never ended. And for many years, and for all I know to the present day, American and N. Korean negotiators sat down on a regular basis, at a site in the DMZ, attempting to work out a peace treaty.
So much for bilateral talks between the US and N Korea.
john lewsi – what’s your point about ‘so much for bilateral talks’? After all, N.Korea’s sole interest, it appears, is a pathological fixation on the neuroses of Kim and has nothing to do with the well-being of the N.Korean people.
Both China and S. Korea are worried because Kim has effectively destroyed the economic infrastructure of the north which is reduced to a peasant agriculture and kept as such by a repressive censorship and a military dictatorship and constant emotional brainwashing. Both states are worried about releasing N.Korea from this repression because of the rapid exodus of N.Koreans to seek a better life in China and S. Korea.
However, I think it will have to happen; you can’t have two ‘zones’ side by side, each organized in a drastically different ‘energy content’ unless you maintain their separation by force. And it takes a lot of force to keep those two zones separate. It can’t last.
Updated analysis of ‘ceasefire status’ since 1953 at globalresearchca.
Also ex PLO terrorist, Walid Shoebat, has stated apparently credible ME poll indicates 73% of 1.3 billion Muslims espouse Islamic hegemony over Globe. Eradication of all ‘infidels’ (Christian and Jews) is their mandate.
See also, articles behind GLOBAL ECONOMY at same site as well as articles behind CANADA, NORTH KOREA, RUSSIA, IRAN, et. al.