Before you go to the meat of the post (below), you may want to take a refresher course on how well... and convincingly, some people can lie.
Q. Have you ever met with Monica Lewinsky in the White House between the hours of midnight and six a.m.?
A. I certainly don't think so.
Q: You said in a statement today that you had no improper relationship with this intern. What exactly was the nature of your relationship with her?
A: Well, let me say, the relationship was not improper, and I think that's important enough to say.
Now that your bull-dung-o-meter is finely tuned, you may proceed:
crossposted @ Celestial Junk
"Hot Air" is the most appropriate media outlet for Bill.
"Hot Air" is the most appropriate media outlet for Bill.
Geez, any politician can lie his ass off... lets see you raise the dead.
as i have said here b4, clinton dropped the ball big time on somalia(my brother served there)...islamonutjobs were present, we should have never left, bin laden learned that libs would cut and run...and they r pressing the same buttons today...and talibanjack thinks we should do the same in afghani....what an idiot!
p.s. my brother was not a terrorist, thug or baby murderer...he is a hero...he risked his life every day to bring electricity to rural hospitals, and his crew's work saved tens of thousands of lives...all at the point of a rifle...think about that one moonbats
soooooo according to the right wingers it is vastly more serious to lie about getting a blow job in the oval office than for a doofus in the same oval office to allow himself and participate in being duped into invading a sovereign country and killing 10,000s innocent civilians in the process?
aaaaand the answer is ..... yes!!!
"learned that libs would cut and run...and they r pressing the same buttons today"
libs cut and run......
kinda like the folk hero ronnie regan did in lebanon when the marine barracks was bombed and 100s killed?
kingstonlad...in your first post you said clinton dropped the ball in somalia. It was george bush 1 who sent the american troops in and the mission was turned over to the united nations in 1993. This is before clinton was in the white house.
If you want to see the Bill Clinton legacy go here. It's very detailed.
the link I posted previously is NFG, go here.
http://prorev.com/legacy.htm
Why Clinton Blew His Top: FNC's Wallace Only Interviewer to Ask About Pre-9/11 Failures
NewsBusters ^ | September 24, 2006 | Rich Noyes
By now, nearly everybody who cares has probably seen former President Bill Clinton's -- let's say 'animated' -- response to 'Fox News Sunday' host Chris Wallace's questions about his administration's failed efforts to demolish al-Qaeda before the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
But Wallace himself hit on the key media bias question ...
Trying to explain Clinton's hot reaction, Wallace said he read the transcripts of the ex-President's other media appearances in the last few days -- on NBC's 'Meet the Press,' CNN's 'Larry King Live,' FNC's 'On the Record with Greta van Susteren,' among other programs.
Wallace said he was "astonished" that none of the others even bothered to raise the terrorism question with Clinton, particularly with his team's attacks on ABC's "Path to 9/11" docu-drama.
Clinton sounded like a left-wing press critics with his repeated jibes at Fox as a "conservative" or "right-wing" outfit.
But what, besides liberal bias, explains the other journalists' total lack of interest in even asking a single question about Clinton's inadequate terror response? ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1707471/posts
Commenter # 10: billorites.
" # 18: "Remember when NBC ran the interview with Juanita Broaddrick, who told about being raped by Bill Clinton when he was attorney general of the state of Arkansas?"
Actually, eagle, to my understanding, the UN was involved in Somalia at the time of the first Iraq War, dealing with the famine. The US was working with the international coalition to provide military support for the UN aid; they were guarding the food and supplies from various tribes; Clinton increased the US military presence for this purpose.
But, the downing of the two American helicopters in 1993, had Clinton, just elected, pull the US out in March of 1994 - an act which Bin Laden said typified the 'cowardice' of the US.
S'more? ...-
Sunday, Sep 24
Wallace: "I felt as if a mountain was coming down in front of me. "
Following today's buzz generating conversation with Bill Clinton, Chris Wallace shared some of his post-interview thoughts with FishbowlDC:
I was delighted to get the chance to interview former President Clinton. This was the first one-on-one sitdown he's ever given "Fox News Sunday" during our 10 years on the air.
The groundrules were simple--15 minutes--to be divided evenly between questions about the Clinton Global Initiative and anything else I wanted to ask.
I intended to keep to the groundrules. In fact--I prepared 10 questions--5 on the CGI and 5 on other issues.
I began the interview with 2 questions about Mr. Clinton's commitment to humanitarian causes. His answers were cogent and good-humored.
Then--I asked him about his Administration's record in fighting terror--fully intending to come back to CGI later (as indeed I did).
I asked what I thought was a non-confrontational question about whether he could have done more to "connect the dots and really go after al Qaeda."
I was utterly surprised by the tidal wave of details--emotion--and political attacks that followed.
The President was clearly stung by any suggestion that he had not done everything he could to get bin Laden. He attacked right-wingers--accused me of a "conservative hit job"--and even spun a theory I still don't understand that somehow Fox was trying to cover up the fact that NewsCorp. chief Rupert Murdoch was supporting his Global Initiative. I still have no idea what set him off.
Former President Clinton is a very big man. As he leaned forward--wagging his finger in my face--and then poking the notes I was holding--I felt as if a mountain was coming down in front of me.
The President said I had a smirk. Actually--it was sheer wonder at what I was witnessing.
I tried repeatedly to adhere to the ground rules--to move the President along--and back to the CGI. But he wanted to keep talking about his record fighting terror.
When it became clear he wanted to throw out the ground rules--then I just went with the flow of the interview. ...-
via voy forums
From the Hot Air thread, a couple great comments:
"Did anyone notice his comment about how he enjoyed 'being the President'?
"That just jumped off the screen 'enjoy' every speck of it…and now he's trying to 'enjoy' his own imagining of it and resents any and all who don’t remember it the way he does."
— jatfla on September 24, 2006 at 3:08 PM
"Am I the only one who thinks Clinton was drunk or on something? Not only is his speech slurred at the end, but it's just a totally different person than we've ever seen. And watch when he flings himself bang in his chair a number of times and rests his face on his hand or fist. We'll never know, but I am quite certain he's on something."
— RightWinged on September 24, 2006 at 4:27 PM
Clinton is 10 times the man than Bush will ever
be. Bush is a moron who has made the world and
North America much more dangerous for us all.
He supports torture as a means of getting information which never works. Just because you're a right winger doesn't mean losing your brains. John McCain is the man who should have become President of the U.S. and we all would be in a safer world. History will judge Bush very poorly.
ET, Eagle: ET is 100% correct on Clinton/Bush/UN in Somalia. Not only did Clinton tuck and run after "Black Hawk Down", he had already refused requests by the local commanders to bring in heavier vehicles. He left the American forces with only HUMV's to ride around in. The only force present with heavier vehicles was Pakistan. (he was more decisive in Bosnia)
Clinton was, in every sense of the word, terrified of the neo-hippie left... he knew already back then that a large number of DNC were pacifist-post-Vietnam War utopians... the same crowd that have now rejected his beloved Billory for an even more radical leftist ideology. The Mogadishu fiasco was all he could handle... so he ran and Somalia plunged once again into complete caos.
I love following Bill's lectures as he tours the world over to raise money for his "tiny" retirement fund. He taylors each talk to the region, often contradicting himself in enormous ways... he sucks to the locals, in otherwords... he's even a liar on the lecture curcuit.
Well, Billybob, I didn't want to quote myself as it seems almost Clintonian in vanity... but let's throw caution to the wind and give one more quote from the Hot Air thread:
"Following up, Bush gets bashed against the rocks for being decisive and trying to do the right thing on his core file, the war against extremist Islamic terrorists, a file that got rather dumped in his lap.
"While, as a disciplined man, he doesn’t drink or smoke, he exercises to keep himself fit (top 1% of men of his age) 6-days a week, and he returns to be with his lovely devoted wife when he has time for family graces.
"There is a real difference between the two men. Bush the party-going gadfly of his youth is but a shell of his former self… George W. Bush the man of seriousiousness, resoluteness, and focus — a man who places achievement before pleasure — has arisen and stood firm in his stead."
— ChrisInCanadaOrAussy on September 24, 2006 at 3:21 PM
Hey Schmuck liked your pointing out the Reagan example but that blow job analogy really hurt the point you wanted to make.
Note to Kingstonlad.
I, for one, applaud your brother for his service to humanity. He is, to me, a true hero for what he devoted a part of his life for.
I hope he's doing well in whatever he is doing now. We need more people like him in this world.
Fortunatley, it appears that we do.
In Canada. In Afghanistan. In our streets.
And I'm not making this up.
God Bless Canada and God Bless your brother.
Eight consecutive years of unprecedented peace and prosperity combined with fiscal responsibility means that Bill Clinton is QUANTIFIABLY AND MEASURABLY the greatest American president in our lifetime. That's not an opinion, that's cold, hard data. We'll never see another like him, I am sad to say.
peace at what price...allowing alqaida to morph into the entity it is today?allowing somalia to fall into chaos?allowing the slaughter of 100,000's of innocent people(mostly women and children)???oh ya, clinton created utopia!
btw...i was against the war in iraq from the get-go, and i think W is not the sharpest knife in the drawer....still does not excuse bubba's lack of spine
From Christoph's post, a quote from Rightwinged: "Am I the only one who thinks Clinton was drunk or on something?
That was my first reaction: Whoaaaa: What's this guy ON? The mask slips and we see "the real Beelly Cleenton," totally unhinged, whacko, ungracious, threatening, doing his best to humiliate and intimidate "a rightwinger." What a bully. What an a**hole.
He never shut up--and he didn't answer the question. He REFUSED to answer the question, but made sure he got in his licks: about 50 talking points at 100 mph.
'Loved the bulging eyes and sputtering. And...and...and... Clinton showed his true colours--and they're not pretty.
Hey, schmuck, if you really were an "esq", which you are too dumb to be, the deal with Clinton wasn't his sexual habits, who cares, but, that as the highest law enforcement officer in the country the creep lied under oath. Lying in a deposition would put most of us behind bars. He was impeached for that only. But, you wouldn't get that as a probable teenager playing an esquire. Know what it even means?
Using "smuck" as a moniker with "esq" is really just too lame and obviously immature. You aren't ready for prime time, kid. Get back to your acne management regime, get away from the keyboard, clean your room, get rid of the snark and maybe, just maybe, the phone will ring for you.
OK, I just watched the video. It's the most compelling television I've seen since George Galloway tore the Sky TV fembot a new one. I especially liked this part:
"If I were still president we'd have more than 20,000 people (in Afghanistan) trying to kill him."
Damn straight Bubba.
BATB says: "The mask slips and we see "the real Beelly Cleenton," totally unhinged, whacko, ungracious, threatening, doing his best to humiliate"
Wassamatter? Never seen a white heterosexual man get angry on the teevee before? Did his masculinity scare you? Did he make you pee your pants?
I side with Clinton on this one, especially as it's all documented.
Clinton wouldn't know the truth if it blew him.
Bubba never even made the majority of votes - 49% - in 1996 thanks to Perot. Lucky creep. He skated off the residual years of Reagan's economic ground work - those tax cuts that put money and capital back into the economy. Bubba's legacy is the miracle and sometimes the problem with American democracy. Not too often, thank God, we slip and allow trailer trash, in the guise of a populist, into the White House. Watching that apoplectic purple blob with Chris Wallace today was more than amusing. Have some dignity, you big slob, play serious golf in retirement or have serial sex with cheerleaders, but, get your pathetic Legacy Tour off of the airwaves. Oops, I forgot, our MSM loves Bubba and wants him rehabilitated. FOX made the mistake of asking reasonable questions rather than carrying water for him.
Oh, and if I were Bin Laden or any jihadi with an absentee US voting ballot and the choices were Bubba or Bush, I know I'd want Bubba in the White House again.
Bubba never even made the majority of votes - 49% - in 1996 thanks to Perot. Lucky creep. He skated off the residual years of Reagan's economic ground work - those tax cuts that put money and capital back into the economy. Bubba's legacy is the miracle and sometimes the problem with American democracy. Not too often, thank God, we slip and allow trailer trash, in the guise of a populist, into the White House. Watching that apoplectic purple blob with Chris Wallace today was more than amusing. Have some dignity, you big slob, play serious golf in retirement or have serial sex with cheerleaders, but, get your pathetic Legacy Tour off of the airwaves. Oops, I forgot, our MSM loves Bubba and wants him rehabilitated. FOX made the mistake of asking reasonable questions rather than carrying water for him.
Oh, and if I were Bin Laden or any jihadi with an absentee US voting ballot and the choices were Bubba or Bush, I know I'd want Bubba in the White House again.
Bob: It was Clinton's weakness that led to 9/11, which was planned on his watch, and as to the economy...the country was merely in a cycle that was reaping the benefits of the actions of previous administrations.
The guy is, and always, has been, a phony.
The mask slips and we see "the real Beelly Cleenton," totally unhinged, whacko, ungracious, threatening, doing his best to humiliate and intimidate "a rightwinger." What a bully. What an a**hole.
Wallace said, "Former President Clinton is a very big man. As he leaned forward--wagging his finger in my face--and then poking the notes I was holding--I felt as if a mountain was coming down in front of me."
Now picture Clinton younger, more vigorous, bulkier, and before his cardiac troubles.
Also picture yourself to be the rather smaller Kathleen Willey http://www.samsloan.com/willey.htm
Or Juanita Broaddrick http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Juanita.htm
Or god knows how many other women.
Picture that younger, more vigorous, bulkier, Clinton's intimidation.
Remember - no TV cameras damping down his TRUE self.
Why are small dead animals wasting electrons on Clutz Clinton? So he was a Democrat, a liberal, a veritable socialist who denied having "sex with that woman" but got caught with his sperm on her dress. There must be other "conservative news" you can beat the Left with.
We'll all be proven wrong when Hilary is into her third term in office.
Damn , was that the same Slick Willy that gave us all that good hep-c infected blood from that prison in Arkansas ? That cigar smokin son-of-a-gun that didn't have sex with monica lewinski when he was inserting said cigar into various ,umm m,places on her person, and spotting her dress with personal body fluids ? Another left-wing hero . They suuuure know how to pick them ,eh.
Hilary Clinton will be president when pigs fly:
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/015362.php
Hilary Clinton will be president when pigs fly:
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/015362.php
Schmuck,
I don*t know if you intentionally meant to mislead us . . .
**
libs cut and run......
kinda like the folk hero ronnie regan did in lebanon when the marine barracks was bombed and 100s killed? **
Posted by: t. schmuck esq. at September 24, 2006 04:07 PM
President Reagan did order a hit on Hezbollah to avenge the death of 241 bombed marines in 1983.
It was Secretary Wineberger who cancelled that order, not Reagan.
Wineberger, Reagan*s lifelong friend was forgiven, but he should have been placed in front of a firing squad.
Pulling of that punch was repeated often through 8 years of Clinton*s stint in office.
Every pulled punch by the US and Europe added to Hezbollah, Taliban and Al Qaeda bravado and so today they gain an avalanch of followers.
Now with Iran, backed by Putin and China and with Pakistan signing with Al Qaeda and the Taliban not to mention Central and south American backers like Hugo Chavez and there is also 440 million Muslims in Indonesia, we seem to have a problem.
Add to that the uninformed Canadian, British, American and Euro leftists like Taliban Jack, calling for troop pullout, and the problem seems ominous indeed. = TG
Bob:
Re: the clinton Era
Two sets of words explains why Clinton was simply a bystander in the global boom during his era
Reagan Tax Cut
Microsoft/Dot Com
I watched the whole interview again a few minutes ago, videotaped from FOX News, and what's not apparent on the video link in this thread, at least it wasn't to me, is that there is no table between Clinton and Wallace.
What I thought was Clinton's pounding Chris Wallace's notes on what seemed to be a table, was actually Clinton reaching across from his chair to stab at the notes that were on Wallace's lap.
It's obvious that Clinton has no clue about boundaries, either with young female interns or with interviewers. Not only did he cross a verbal boundary with his ad hominem hounding of Wallace, he also crossed a physical boundary, by aggressively invading Wallace's space.
Entitled jerk.
yo, tg, ordering retaliation was a specialty of reagan, libya for instance when the missile went right into gadaffi's tent and killed his young adopted daughter.
the FACT remains reagan cut and ran very very soon after the lebanon attack, regardless of any retaliation that happened much later.
reagan cut and ran from lebanon, period.
and you penny, are you shocked that politicians actually lie to the people? HA HA HA !!! ken starr was directed to get something on clinton, *anything* in retaliation for nixon's watergate debacle. well they did, dwelling and dwelling on matters of no relevance whatsoever.
furthermore you archtypical right wing trademark personal attacks are very very boring.
when are you going to get that boil in your vagina lanced?
It has taken years for cdns to see the real PET, and the damage he did to us, with the adoration of the media to hide all his flaws. It took 6 years for americans to see the real Bill Clinton, and realize the fawning of the msm and the attitude Its just sex, to cover up all his weaknesses. When one does nothing but screw around and drop a missle or two when a sex scandal is about to erupt, of course the left thinks he was a great guy. For eight years OBL and others plotted and attacked, knowing Bill would cut and run and not risk bad polls. Hillory will never be president. And come nov many will be surprised at the makeup of congress and the Senate. If Bush wins it means 2 more years of the same, and will put McCain and others in their place. The thought of Pelosi and Rangle in charge is enough to scare anyone. Almost as bad as taliban jack as P.M. And, if Bush wins, just maybe the msm in the US will give truth a chance.
Veritas: WJC: Deanii Clintoriam Monicaae Billicass Democraticus, Hillariorum est. Sic transit...
Dean: President Clinton Stood Up to Right-Wing Propaganda on Fox News Sunday,
U.S. Newswire ^
Dean: President Clinton Stood Up to Right-Wing Propaganda on Fox News Sunday, New NIE Shows Iraq War Has Hampered War On Terror
9/24/2006 5:48:00 PM
To: National Desk, Political Reporter
Contact: Stacie Paxton or Mark Paustenbach, 202-863-8148, both of the Democratic National Committee
WASHINGTON, Sept. 24 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The following release was issued by the Democratic National Committee today:
In an interview with Fox News televised this morning, President Bill Clinton fought back against the right-wing misinformation and smear campaign and stood up for the truth. President Clinton set the facts straight on his administration's record fighting the war on terror. He also stood up against the Fox News' right-wing bullying and propaganda machine, pointing out the lack of tough questions being posed to the current administration. Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean issued the following statement thanking President Clinton for standing up to right-wing propaganda and the need for all Democrats to stand up and tell the truth:...-
free republic
Someone mentioned that they thought Bill Clinton was drunk....yup....I thought the same thing...The guy has some serious problems that he is not addressing. He should perhaps let solving the "world's" problems to others, until he cleans up the pollution in his own back yard first.
I regret wasting the time to rebutt someone so pointless and hopelessly uncouth. = TG
Ditto. Double ditto on your uncouth description. What a piece of work.
Attention Supporters of Clinton:
"Um, the first point, I think the overall point is, there was no plan on Al Qaeda that was passed from the Clinton administration to the Bush administration."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,115085,00.html
[source — Richard Clarke]
FOX NEWS' JIM ANGLE: "So, just to finish up if we could then, so what you’re saying is that there was no — one, there was no plan; two, there was no delay; and that actually the first changes since October of ‘98 were made in the spring months just after the administration came into office?"
CLARKE: "You got it. That’s right."
Further...
What Chris Wallace asked Bill Clinton today: "[H]indsight is 20 20 . . . but the question is why didn’t you do more, connect the dots and put them out of business?"
From Fox News Sunday March 28, 2004:
Chris Wallace questioning Donald Rumsfeld: "I understand this is 20/20 hindsight, it’s more than an individual manhunt. I mean — what you ended up doing in the end was going after al Qaeda where it lived. . . . pre-9/11 should you have been thinking more about that?
. . . .
"What do you make of his [Richard Clarke’s] basic charge that pre-9/11 that this government, the Bush administration largely ignored the threat from al Qaeda?
. . . .
"Mr. Secretary, it sure sounds like fighting terrorism was not a top priority."
But of course, leftists, you'd rather believe a congenital liar, admitted perjurer, and multi-times alleged rapist and fraudster rather than the evidence.
For everyone else, there's some great reporting on this here:
http://patterico.com/2006/09/24/5187/chris-wallace-has-indeed-grilled-bush-officials-about-failing-to-get-osama-before-911/
Bob Says
"Eight consecutive years of unprecedented peace"
I guess all those thousands of pounds of bombs we loaded and dropped on Kosovo in 1999 really didn't happen eh Bob? I guess we didn't catch a Serbian regiment in a vally and I guess we didn't kill over 2000 men while they slept. I guess we didn't bomb Pristina night after night either.
wow......I cannot believe some people.
I, W.J. Clinton, do solemnly swear, I Let Him Slip Away* somewhere near ... . ...-
Clinton Let Bin Laden Slip Away and Metastasize - By Mansoor Ijaz
L.A. Times ^ | December 2001 | Mansoor Ijaz
* Sudan offered up the terrorist and data on his network. The then-president and his advisors didn't respond.
By MANSOOR IJAZ
President Clinton and his national security team ignored several opportunities to capture Osama bin Laden and his terrorist associates, including one as late as last year.
I know because I negotiated more than one of the opportunities.
From 1996 to 1998, I opened unofficial channels between Sudan and the Clinton administration. I met with officials in both countries, including Clinton, U.S. National Security Advisor Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger and Sudan's president and intelligence chief. President Omar Hassan Ahmed Bashir, who wanted terrorism sanctions against Sudan lifted, offered the arrest and extradition of Bin Laden and detailed intelligence data about the global networks constructed by Egypt's Islamic Jihad, Iran's Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas.
Among those in the networks were the two hijackers who piloted commercial airliners into the World Trade Center.
The silence of the Clinton administration in responding to these offers was deafening.
As an American Muslim and a political supporter of Clinton, I feel now, as I argued with Clinton and Berger then, that their counter-terrorism policies fueled the rise of Bin Laden from an ordinary man to a Hydra-like monster.
Realizing the growing problem with Bin Laden, Bashir sent key intelligence officials to the U.S. in February 1996.
The Sudanese offered to arrest Bin Laden and extradite him to Saudi Arabia or, barring that, to "baby-sit" him--monitoring all his activities and associates.
But Saudi officials didn't want their home-grown terrorist back where he might plot to overthrow them.
Full Article Here
(Excerpt) Read more at
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1707573/posts
*ME & BOBBY MCGEE Janis Joplin - words and music by Kris Kristofferson ... Lord, I let him slip away He's lookin' for that home and I hope he finds it But ...
You must see this if you're following this story... the behind the scenes truth about the confrontation between these two men.
Whether you're left, right, or Lieberal, this is what you've got to see to believe:
http://www.bluecrabboulevard.com/wp-admin/PhotoImage/SeptOct2006/ClintonWag.jpg
Schmuck
Anyone who would lie (Uunder Oath) about anything as inconsequential as a blow job wouldn't lie to protect his legacy now, would he?
Keep posting. Few on this site have your sense of humour.