Smoke On Space Station

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Early reports are sketchy. I'm out for most of the day, so this thread for related updates and discussion, should there be further developments.

Update - it seems to be a false alarm. You can continue this thread with reader's tips.


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The Russian Space Agency has catagoricaly denied the rumours that the smoke and noxious fumes were in anyway related to borsch and pickled herring.

China will increase its peacekeeping presence in Lebanon to 1,000 troops, Premier Wen Jiabao has confirmed.

The move would make China one of the largest contributors to a strengthened UN force designed to keep the peace.

It would also signal that China, now the world's fourth largest economy, was starting to lift its diplomacy in areas it had previously not seen as vital.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5355128.stm

Note that Chirac, the clone Gaullist, with his Eurabian dreams, is stating that Iran shouldn't be sanctioned for its nuclear actions, but 'talked with'. Chirac supported Hussein and now he's moved to support Iran. Same reason; Chirac wants France as The Power in the ME; that's also why he's moving into Lebanon. Lebanon is run by Iran and France is moving in to support Iran. Hmmm.

And I'm still stunned by both the Western and the Islamic reaction to the Pope's speech. We get the West, like the BBC, insisting that he 'insulted Islam' and should apologize? How did he insult Islam - by asking why it condoned violence within its religion? Why apologize for an empirical observation? Have we moved into Alice in Wonderland?

And that incredible Islamic reaction by Aslam, the Pakistani spokeswoman, with her contradiction of 'Anyone who describes Islam as a religion, as intolerant, encourages violence".

Incredible - Islam will not tolerate anyone who says Islam is intolerant..and if you make this statement, Islamics will become violent. Incredible.

The Brussels Journal has an article where a key Norwagian imam insists that no Muslim has carried out any violent actions - including 9/11. According to him, both Al Qaeda and Bin Laden don't exist.

The Pope's speech was vital, it was important. He was essentially confronting the Islamics and asking them - 'what's going on with your religion'? In the 7th century, people considered your religion as 'evil, inhuman and spread by the sword'. He referred then to the 14th c. Islamic siege and capture of Constantinople. And he asked - Is this your religion now?

He defined spreading a religion by violence as a rejection of reason, and a rejection of reason as a rejection of life and god, understanding god as the underpinning, the basis, of life. This was a question about the nature of the Islamic religion - why does it operate within violence, and as such, why does it reject reason, aka god?

He then analyzed the Western rejection of reason, within the leftist postmodernism, which isolates and marginalizes reason to the simple measurable actions within a laboratory and removes the use of reason within morality, ethics, law, etc. He was criticizing postmodern relativism, which considers beliefs and behaviour as cultural artifacts and valid to the culture, rather than to universal ethical and rational standards.

What's the reaction? The leftists, blind clones, repeated their mantra - that Islam, as a 'culture', owns its beliefs and behaviour and they are, as private, outside of analysis, critique.

And Islam? Their reaction to the questions about violence within the religion? That remarkable assertion that 'we won't tolerate anyone who calls us intolerant'...

Benedict is confronting the ethical and rational rot on both sides of the line...More power to him.

Is anyone else as incensed as I am over Nancy Grace, supposed journalist at CNN? She invites a mother whose 2-year old son is missing on to her show, and then accuses her of covering up information and suggests the mother had a hand in her son's disappearance. The mother committed suicide two days later. CNN then had the gall to run the interview the next day.

As with the BBC's inviting Moslem outrage over the Pope's innocuous remarks, this is another case of the media trying to make the story, not report it. The inaptly named Grace continues to blame the deceased mother for the child's disappearance, and stated that the mother committed suicide due to "guilt".

This is not the first time Grace has accused people of crimes of which they are innocent. She accused a man and his wife of having a hand in the disappearance of Elizabeth Smart, and did so repeatedly, until the child was found, and it turned out the man and wife were innocent. She was a famed prosecutor, who never lost a jury trial in more than 100 cases. I wonder how many innocent men she railroaded to prison?

Bob obviously doesn't get it does he. Keep on topic, eh.

I've been monitoring NASA TV this morning and everything is now a-ok. Listening to NASA and the astronauts work things out, you'd never know they had a problem. Now the judging by the drama that the TV announcer's voices are showing, you would think they were in space.

Texas Canuck: Kate said this is an reader's tips thread, prior to your post:

"Update - it seems to be a false alarm. You can continue this thread with reader's tips."

Ergo, I submitted a reader's tip. Sorry you are confused about this.


Mea Culpa (or something latin), I was busy histening to NASA and working so I forgot to refresh my SDA page. Hey, it is Monday after all.

Re Nancy Grace:

Maxim had Nancy as their #1 Least Appealing Lady on TV.

She hits the unboinkable trifecta of unattractive, unlikeable, and fiercely judgmental. When Grace is spewing her criminologist-lite bile, we’d sooner get our statistics about American donut consumption—or whatever the hell Headline News is highlighting on its news crawl nowadays—from Al Jazeera.

I ask again: who out there would turn to Grace if they found themselves in need of legal counsel?

***NEWS FLASH***

AP: Smoke on space station attributed to global warming, Bush blamed for cutbacks at NASA who ended up using "Made in China" parts on the Space Station.

Warrenty had just expired and the manufacture doesn't do "On Site" repairs.

http://www.sonic.net/~paul/humour/msg00342.html

A new cooperative agreement between the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration will help fill the lack of spare parts.

Space station blowing smoke is no more important than donut
consumption trends for good reason at this time.

I can*t help but be preoccupied by Pakistan*s accomodation of the Taliban and it*s leaders. Seems like a very dangerous double cross with nasty fallout to come.

Pakistan: Hello al-Qaeda, goodbye America
By Syed Saleem Shahzad

MIRANSHAH, North Waziristan - With a truce between the Pakistani Taliban and Islamabad now in place, the Pakistani government is in effect reverting to its pre-September 11, 2001, position in which it closed its eyes to militant groups allied with al-Qaeda and clearly sided with the Taliban in Afghanistan.

While the truce has generated much attention, a more significant development is an underhand deal between pro-al-Qaeda elements and Pakistan in which key al-Qaeda figures will either . . .

http://atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/HI08Df03.html

= TG

Bob, maybe Beijing would like a pipeline across Afganistan too? Nothing like giving suicide bicyclists more choice when it comes to targetting foreign troops handing out candy (or knock-off's).

To carry on with the Pakistani theme.

"At issue in Pakistan was the Hudood Ordinance, a pernicious bit of antediluvian legislation based on Islamic law. It requires a woman who claims to have been raped to produce four adult male witnesses to "the act of penetration" to get a conviction. If she fails, she can be convicted of adultery, which, like rape, is punishable by death.
...
Musharraf, who's trying to buff his image as a modern moderate before an official visit to the United States this month, made a modest attempt to correct this egregious injustice last week by moving rape - zina bil jabr - from the Islamic courts to the civil penal courts. There, four adult witnesses - male or female - would be enough to convict. As a standard, this is still preposterous by Western standards, but even the proposal to make this tiny change was enough to raise howls from religious-based political parties, both in the governing coalition and in the opposition. With one voice, they denounced Musharraf's measure as anti-Islamic."

Given this mentality, how can NDP MPs, (or any one else) support the notion of "consultation".
If they pull the "anti-Islamic" card out at negligible nudges towards this century, what would we hope to bargain for?

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/editorial/story.html?id=2f8f2140-3442-4ee5-8ba2-e508e63ae0a6

What do we need space stations for, anyway?

How the heck is this a false alarm, Kate?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060918/D8K7CNFG1.html

"NASA declared a spacecraft emergency for only the second time in the eight-year history of the station."

A less than catastrophic emergency, perhaps, but a false alarm, no.

What Liberal Media?

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14784419/#ImFired

"My correspondence with liberals has convinced me that liberalism has grown dangerously out of touch with the realities of our world — specifically with what devout Muslims actually believe about the West, about paradise and about the ultimate ascendance of their faith. On questions of national security, I am now as wary of my fellow liberals as I am of the religious demagogues on the Christian right.

This may seem like frank acquiescence to the charge that "liberals are soft on terrorism." It is, and they are. A cult of death is forming in the Muslim world — for reasons that are perfectly explicable in terms of the Islamic doctrines of martyrdom and jihad. The truth is that we are not fighting a "war on terror." We are fighting a pestilential theology and a longing for paradise," - Sam Harris author of The End of Faith

http://incorrections.blogspot.com/2006/09/sam-harris.html


Read: Benedict on Islam, Sept 13, right here on SDA. A few Muslim's have posted in the comments. It's a good insight into what 'moderate' Muslims actually believe.

Deception, confusion, obfuscation, bald-faced lies are all acceptable if not preferred forms of Islamic behaviour when dealing with infidels.

Either that or Muslims possess lower than average IQ and therefore less ability to reason. Which isn't any more comforting.

Also, thesixthcolumnagainstjihad has good articles on the muslim mind and islamic methods for psychological warfare.

Is it just me or what? Is anyone else sick and tired of all this Montreal/Dawson stuff? It was a horrible event that no one wanted to happen (except the idiotic shooter) but the media has gone on and on and on with their whimpering about the need for psychologists, group hugs etc etc to the point where they have most of the students believing they are scarred for life and nothing will ever be the same again etc etc ad nauseum. Can't they just get on with it and quit dwelling on all the sensationalism?

Maybe it's just me. Perhaps I have become so old and jaded that only cynicism remains.

Total agreement with your comments, Irwin Daisy. Trying to reason with a muslim is like riding the space station...the debate just keeps going 'round n round with the occasional smell of burnt wires.

The laws of our land are based on reason...just how well can a group of immigrants that are conditioned to ignore reason integrate with the rest of us?

BCer,

I agree. The media is pathetic. Death is good for ratings. Look at how quickly they have a logo designed and jingle composed for events such as this.

Human suffering and trajedy means nothing more than premiering a new season of 'Lost' for these vultures.

BCer- I fully agree with you on the pathetic soap opera being played out within the MSM on Dawson.

As for the Islamic mind, I can only say that they have moved into their own totally fictional world. They refuse to read what Benedict wrote and react only to a fictional and false account of it. He was asking them - is violence really an integral part of your religion? Violence is the antithesis of reason, and therefore, if this is true, then, your religion rejects reason. Is this true?

Instead - they say they are 'insulted' by being defined as violent. Well, what fictional world are they living in? They are violent; in word and action. Totally, completely violent.

Then, they talk about 'the crusades'. Hey, that was 600 years ago. Christianity has evolved, reformed and matured. Islam had its crusades and you know what - it still hasn't evolved, reformed and matured. It is still involved in violence, aggression, hatred of others, and complete intolerance of others.

And, a refusal to read the works of others and debate, a refusal to allow other religions in its territory (that's called intolerance) and perhaps Aslam, the Pakistani who said "Anyone who describes Islam, as a religion, as intolerant, encourages violence'...should be reminded that Islamic nations won't tolerate other religions.

The Islamic world is currently trapped in a death cult mode, a totally fictional world, detached from the accountability of empirical fact or reason. That's why the Norwegian imam can assert that 'no Muslim' caused 9/11; that Al Qaeda and Bin Laden don't exist'...and so on.

How do you deal with a people who live in a Cave, a world that they have self-defined, inhabited by shadows created only by themselves, who reject the outside world, reject reality, reject reason?

Nancy Graceless is a menace. I never watch her. Just seeing her squirrelly face, with the weird eyes and the dyed-blonde bimbo hairdo is enough to make me switch channels, like, pronto.

Why does CNN seem to think that the whole world is interested in kidnappings and murders? I used to occasionally enjoy Biography and Larry King Live before they turned almost exclusively into whodunnits.

This morning, they did a segment on Benedict XVI's "apology," making out that he had apologized for his remarks about Islam. A few minutes later, they showed a clip with his apology and it was clear that he was apologizing for the very negative REACTION to his remarks, not for what he said.

This is rudimentary editing stuff. To not know the difference between apologizing for what he said and the reaction to what he said means you fail Journalism 101. Major error, and yet most CNN watchers won't know it. 'Talk about misrepresentation of facts.

It's becoming harder for "journalist" and "professional" to be seen together. "Journalist" and "spin doctor," "opportunist," "biased," and "don't confuse me with the facts" are a better fit.

Lmuffin: "What do we need space stations for, anyway?"

...for lack of rest stops and washroom facilities when on the galatic highway while hitch hiking...

The only religion that should be apologizing here is the sickness that is Islam.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20436609-2703,00.html

BCer
"Is it just me or what? Is anyone else sick and tired of all this Montreal/Dawson stuff? It was a horrible event that no one wanted to happen (except the idiotic shooter) but the media has gone on and on and on with their whimpering about the need for psychologists, group hugs etc etc to the point where they have most of the students believing they are scarred for life and nothing will ever be the same again etc etc ad nauseum. Can't they just get on with it and quit dwelling on all the sensationalism?"

RIGHT ON. It's reached the point where I have the almost irresistable urge to smash my TV.

A few days ago, a bus rolled east of Calgary. One passenger was killed and several injured - a couple seriously, i.e. about the same as the Dawson mess. The incident got a couple of brief mentions on CBC. After all, there was no political angle to be played. Every time I hear the "news" being broadcast by those bastards, I can hear an axe being ground in the background, but I'm adicted and continue to turn them on every night.

As school massacres go (and there have been a lot of them) Dawson was pretty small beer. The world record, as far as I know, was set at Beslan, but even here in gentle, huggy huggy North America, at Bath Michigan in 1927, a disgruntled school board member killed 45 including himself. Good thing there was no TV then, or we'd still be getting in-depth interviews from the aged survivors, detailing their trauma and how their lives were never the same afterwards.

Whooaa, i just googled Bath Michigan. That was positively horrifying. And he didn't use a gun. Check it out if you have a bit of a taste for violent crime stories....

In a nutshell, Islamofascism as described by Victor Davis Hanson:

"...no modern ideology, no religious sect of the present age demands so much of others, so little of itself."

About the tragedy at Dawson College, ad nauseum. I agree with both BCer and Zog. But WHY does the MSM go on and on and can't let it go?

It's connected to the neglect of the ritual of mourning that people used to participate in, as a matter of course, in churches. Someone died, their body went to the funeral home or was waked in the family parlour, then to the church. The priest ministered (and still does) to the family, the community gathered at the appointed time, the coffin was slowly taken down the aisle to the front of the church, prayers were said, hymns were sung, the Bible was read, sometimes holy water was sprinkled, assurances were read from Scripture about eternal life--not just pie in the sky; people firmly believed, and still do, in the resurrection of the body at Christ's Second Coming.

Prayers like this were said (more than a nod to the incomparable Thomas Cranmer):

Almighty God, Father of all mercies and giver of all comfort: Deal graciously, we pray thee, with those who mourn, that casting every care on thee, they may know the conoslation of thy love; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.

Give rest, O Christ, to thy servant with thy Saints, where sorrow and pain are no more, neither sighing, but life everlasting; where thou, O Christ, with the Holy Ghost, art most high in the glory of God the Father. Amen.

Rest eternal grant unto him/her, O Lord, and let light perpetual shine upon him/her. Amen.

The Lord bless you, and keep you. The Lord make his face to shine upon you. The Lord lift up his countenance upon you, and give you peace, both now and forevermore. Amen.

At the grave, more prayers, tears, final farewells as the coffin is lowered into the ground. A return to the church or house to celebrate the life of the deceased.

When you leave a funeral like this, when you have faith that this is just a temporary farewell, then you are able to let go. The ritual mourning is important and essential if people are to move on.

'Problem is, these days, that fewer and fewer people know how to mourn, let alone participate in a mourning ritual that is meaningful and uplifting.

For most members, for instance, of the MSM, death is IT. It is final, it means darkness, nothingness. They have neither thoughts nor words of hope after a tragedy like the shooting of Anastasia De Souza. So they work it like picking at a scab.

Not having any way of putting the death of this young girl into a larger context--that of the fact that death is a part of life, that we do not go through a tragedy like this alone, that there is hope despite the pain and sorrow--the media has a hard time letting it go.

Their "mourning," if you will, becomes hystrionic, insincere, maudlin, and tiresome.

The Story behind "Smoke On The Water":

"The lyrics of the song tells a true story: on December 7, 1971, Deep Purple had set up camp at Montreux, Switzerland to record an album using a mobile recording studio (rented from the Rolling Stones and known as the Rolling Stones Mobile Studio) at the entertainment complex that was part of the Montreux Casino (referred to as "the gambling house" in the song lyric).

On the eve of the recording session a concert featuring Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention was held in the casino's theatre; during the concert a fire broke out (said to be caused by a Swiss fan shooting a flare gun in the ceiling, as mentioned in the "some stupid with a flare gun" line) that eventually destroyed the entire casino complex, along with all the Mothers' equipment.

The "smoke on the water" that became the title of the song (credited to bass player Roger Glover, who related how the title occurred to him when he suddenly woke from a dream a few days later) referred to the smoke from the fire spreading over Lake Geneva from the burning casino as the members of Deep Purple watched the fire from their hotel across the lake.

The "funky Claude" running in and out is referring to Claude Nobs, the director of the Montreux Jazz Festival who helped some of the audience to escape the fire."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoke_on_the_Water

Zog ..

No, I agree with you. The MSM uses this simple case of personal depression and fills hours on end of news time with it.

Suicide used to be jumping from a bridge.
Now with the Columbine and postal models made pervasive by MSM and video games, there is a new model.

Its still suicide. = TG

Gee, Bernie Lord gets blowed up real good, and nary a comment to be seen. In deep denial folks?

***NEW FLASH***

Riots in Budapest, Hungary after official admits lying about the economy and items for almost 2 years.

In Canada, the Liberals get voted back in and AdScam become a national holiday.

Don,

Who is (was?) Bernie Lord?

Zog, I believe Don is referring to the NB election. PC's popular vote 48% 26 seats, Lib's 47% popular vote, 29 seats, NDP 5% popular vote no seats. Re-distribution of electoral boundries.

Theo van Gogh's 13 year old son is under constant threat from Dutch muslims.

http://pajamasmedia.com/2006/09/does_this_make_you_angry.php

The MSM, particularly the CBC, are salivating over Lord's loss, connecting it to Harper's projected loss. Chantal Hebert is predicting, a Liberal 'revival' and a Liberal win of the next election. She tries to be fair, but, she's basically a Liberal, and very much into the traditional Quebec ideology of a centralist state that must take care of everyone.

Do people know that Quebec's deficit is the largest in the country and that Quebec can't pay for all its social services and requires the rest of Canada to pay for its daycare, its lowest university tuition fees, its bloated bureaucracy, its lack of investors and investment? Do Canadians realize that Canada has to get its act together and move into the world, rather than sitting isolate?

But note that the Liberals in NB got 46.9%, ie, 47% of the popular vote and 29 seats; while the Conservatives got 47.7% and 26 seats. The ratio is statistically exactly identical. The change was due to electoral boundary changes.

But the Liberal MSM are stating, openly, that Harper is 'finished'. That he's lost Quebec, for Quebec is pro-Kyoto, anti-American, anti-Afghanistan, pro-gun law and that Harper has lost his 'friends', Charest and Lord - and will lose the next election. Hebert openly said that the sponsorship was irrelevant - ahh, Canadians don't care about being bilked out of millions by a political party, that refuses to pay the taxpayer back.

Instead, the MSM are asserting that Canadians prefer to live in a fictional world, thinking that Kyoto is about pollution rather than money transfers; that the gun registry is about citizen protection rather than a Make-Work project; that fighting in Afghanistan is irrelevant, and that the USA and Bush are, as the Islamic fascist/leftist fiction-dwellers assert, the font of all evil. Is that the definition of Canadian ideology?

a tragedy if it goes against the CBCpravda grain but a mathematical quirk if it goes by the Pravda script.
from CBCpravda tonight.


N.B. Liberals topple Lord's Tories
Last Updated: Monday, September 18, 2006 | 10:05 PM ET
CBC News
Leader Shawn Graham's Liberal party will form a majority government in New Brunswick. Projections show the Liberals will take 29 of the province's 55 seats.

Graham will end seven years of Tory rule with a narrow victory that provides him with a small majority of seats in the legislature, but in a mathematical quirk, the Liberals won more seats but received a smaller proportion of the popular vote


please Stephen, kill CBCpravda soon, I cant hack another election with these hack journalists.

Check this out Religion of Peace fans..

did the BBC and NYT orchestrate outrage in the Muslim world?

Read on. Truth is stranger than fiction.

BBC, NY Times and Guardian Appear to Have Stage-Managed Muslim Anti-Pope Hatred
Ratzinger, now Benedict, has been favorite Catholic target of liberal media for years

by Hilary White

LONDON, September 18, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) – The international furor over the Pope’s comments at Regensburg last week appears to have begun through a series of carefully stage-managed media reports

Tracing the media coverage from the day of the Pope’s speech in Regensburg, Germany, a distinct shift in approach, what media analysts call a “meme,” of “Islamic outrage”, is clearly traceable starting with the BBC’s coverage three days later.

The day after the speech, Wednesday the 13th, the Pope’s lecture elicited little response from apparently bored secular journalists who had little interest in what was considered his “obscure” and “academic” points on the relationship between religious belief and the secular world.

Catholic news sources who reported the day after the lecture were also quiet. “Pope spends quiet afternoon at home with brother,” was the leading headline at Catholic World Report.

On Thursday the 14th, however, under the headline “Pope's speech stirs Muslim anger,” the BBC began with a report that police in Kashmir had seized newspapers carrying coverage of the pope’s speech in order “to prevent tension.” The BBC’s coverage did not include any quote from the Indian-administered Kashmiri police force.

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/sep/06091805.html

I lived near Moncton NB for about three years in the sixties and they seemed to be as bright as most of us.

My suspicions are that the good folks of NB are really in an envelope of Librano MSM and I suspect the access to internet is minimal compared to other provinces.

NB, shielded from reality. What a shame.

No offense to NewBrunswickers now. I*m open to correction if my perceptions are off base. = TG

So New Brunswickers voted Liberal eh?

Don't bite the hand that feed's ya. I'z the bye dat built de boat, I'z the bye that sinks it.

Atlantic Canada, proof the Liberal inbreeding program was a success...

No offence to Conservatives from New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, PEI, Cape Briton, Labrador & Newfoundland eh...

Especially CS...a moore in the darkness.


My two cents worth: I lived in new Brunswick in the seventies and the politics there are on a par with Louisiana and such. I drove on 4 lane super highways that abruptly ended at a county line (because it was Robichau's riding), saw the provincial vehicle fleet be insured by a company that was owned by a political party president or chairman. It was basically an 'old boys network' and I doubt it if it has changed.
Also of note: the province always seemed to elect a government that was different than what was in Ottawa so the province never really got on the gravy train federally.

Just my observations.

Disclaimer: I have taught French and love the language. As a teenager, I spent a summer in Quebec, at a camp for handicapped children, in order to learn the language better. I'm convinced that it's always beneficial to speak more than one language, and next to Spanish, French is one great language to learn.

Listening to Chantal Hebert gloat, however, on CBC's The National last night, about how Harper is losing support in Quebec, I found myself becoming furious.

Is anyone else sick and tired of Quebec, basically, running the Canada show? Like the misbehaving miscreant in the classroom, sucking off all of the teacher's time and a good deal of the school's resources, Quebec, as ET has pointed out, enjoys a high level of social support programs on the backs of the rest of us. If any government were to move to balance payments to the provincial governments--which would mean removing some of the payments Quebec enjoys--Quebecers would howl and scream that they were being discriminated against.

We have reverse discrimination in Canada, and I would like to see it come to an end. My Canada DOESN'T include Quebec if it is going to continue to bleed the rest of us dry and to foist Quebecois Prime Minister's on us.

There is a certain way of doing business in Quebec, all about cronyism, greasing palms, and brown paper bags--we've seen it in full view with Adscam, not to mention Shawinigate, etc., ad nauseum--and I'm really fed up.

Canada as a Banana Republic, with the members of our MSM, foot soldiers for the cause--so open, tolerant, and inclusive that they encourage, aid, and abet, thugs and crooks rather than honest, hard working politicians like Prime Minister Stephen Harper and his CPC colleagues.

I'm gagging at the thought of another Liberal Government. Under which leader, with what policies? Bob Fife on yesterdays' Puffy/Fluffy/Duffy Live laughingly said the Libs didn't need any policies; they just need a leader under whom the Librano$ can turn on the smear tactics in order to win the next election.

How do we bring this travesty to an end? If Quebec ever threatens to leave Canada again, and if I get a chance to vote in a referendum (how come only Quebecers got to vote last time? ALL Canadians should have a say) I'll vote for them to go.

Go ahead, Quebec. You don't like being part of Canada, with all of the perks you enjoy, paid for by the majority of Canadians who cannot avail themselves of the same "benefits"? Well, be my guest, here's the door. See if going it alone in North America is going to get you packaging in French, bilingual road signs (in Quebec, they're in French only, whereas in the rest of Canada they're bilingual: what's with THAT?), seats at the negotiating table with instant translation services.

Quebec, I'm tired of your snivelling, whining, and bullying. If you can't or won't be an equal partner in Canada, instead of demanding to be "special," I want you out of my backyard, off my block, in your own Parliament where you can pay your own bills: "Nous ne sommes plus en Kan...ada, Toto."

Pulitzer Prize for Felony Murder.......
" the Associated Press, rather than expressing any embarrassment that it has been publishing propaganda photos taken by an apparent associate of al Qaeda in Iraq, is campaigning for Hussein's release, saying that it is normal for journalists to have "relationships with people that others might find unsavory."

3w.powerlineblog.com/archives/015301.php

tomax7, the NB Liberal party is nowhere near as bad as their federal counterparts. Both they and the NB PCs would fit in the political axis between the federal Liberals and federal Conservatives. There's no moonbat population worth catering to in NB (the NDP barely got 5% of the vote last night) so both parties can sit comfortably in the center/center-right and ignore the left.

Nova Scotia, on the other hand .. our PC party is left of both the NB Liberals & NB PCs in my view, and the moonbats rule in Halifax. If the NDP win the next election here, and I think they will, I'm going to take a hard look at transferring out of here.

I lived in Nova Scotia for six years, a daughter was born there, and I left part of my heart there. My family and I loved living in N.S., the people were great, family-oriented, and seemingly common-sense.

So I can't figure out why they vote Liberal all the time. Even my family-oriented, pro-life, Catholic friends would vote Liberal, despite the fact that the Trudeuapian policies were against everything they stand for in their 'real' lives.

What's--and why--the disconnect? Too much Allan McEachen $$$$$$????

...having a wife from Montreal with family in NB we go back every couple of years as a ritual and the wonderful change I see between year is very dramat...err discouraging.

In-laws vote Liberal no matter what. Their french neighbours vote Liberal no matter what.

Why? Expo 67, 76 Olympics, PET, and only party that will "stand up" to western bully tactic's like "let them freeze in the dark".

They are truely frightened if Conservatives, especially from the West get in, Atlantic Canada will be forgotten and everyone would have to start wearing stetson's. The Liberals feed on this, and not just Atlantic Canada. Ontario.

They are villified Alberta makes it into the news when there is so much to talk about in Ontario, NB and NS.

Until these folks come out west, it's a cozy little world for them down east.

Heck, if it was so good out here, how come 85% of the population is Ontario and the east?

Like I said, inbreeding works.

I spent seven years of my young adult life in NB. Coming from Northwestern Ontario I was always amazed when people we met there would talk about going out west... to toronto! In fact, it was almost a rite of passage to graduate high school, head out to live with a cousin in toronto for a while and then return to get married, have kids and work in the pulp mill or on the lobster boats (or collect pogie). Loved the people in Atlantic Canada but never quite understood the mindset. The maritimers I worked with in the air force were great people but most had spent their entire careers being posted to Chatham, Summerside and Greenwood.

Part of what Around the Block said. 9:02am . . .

**There is a certain way of doing business in Quebec, all about cronyism, greasing palms, and brown paper bags--we've seen it in full view with Adscam, not to mention Shawinigate, etc., ad nauseum--and I'm really fed up. **

During the time when we were making lists of Adscam **borrowings**, there was more than one provincial grant to bouy up the softwood communities. The popular and repeated figure was $450 $million. = TG

'been around the block: the rise of the NDP here came about due to two factors. Alexa McDonough (however you spell it) on the federal scene, and the implosion of the provincial Liberal party. Halifax just luuuuuuuvs Alexa. Doesn't matter how loopy the rest of her party is (notable exception: Peter Stoffer), where Alexa goes, Halifax follows (try reading some of the letters to the editor in today's Chronicle-Herald; you'll see how deep the moonbat mindset has taken hold in this city). The last provincial Liberal government was such a fiasco, from what I know of it (I wasn't here then), that Liberal support collapsed and went NDP. The PCs have paradoxically moved farther left as a response and are alienating real conservatives big-time these days. I didn't think that much of John Hamm when he was premier, but compared to this doofus Rodney MacDonald, he's a political mastermind. Rodney's going to finish paving the road to an NDP government in this province if he doesn't extract his head from his ass.

for the price (100 billion and counting) nasa and any other space agency for that matter could swarm the entire solar system with some cookie cutter type satellite (with variations of course).

thousands of them, checking every nook and cranny and double checking and then more followup to investigate 'stuff' out of sensor range for good data.

thousands of them; but that doesnt cater to the masculinahmanhood masculinahmanhood approach of sending live (and mortal) humahns into the hard radiation drenched vacuum of space.

no great ego massaging and slaking of the urge to compete in lieu of REAL science.

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