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From CBC:

Ontarians work less than Americans

"Ontarians work 3 1/2 less weeks annually than their U.S. counterparts, according to a study released Friday."

Only the combined magic of a government news agency and a goverment-paid study on productivity could produce the following gem:

"The study says that "intensity gap" — defined as the hours worked by employed residents in creating prosperity for themselves and their families — is costing not only residents of Ontario, but the federal, provincial, and local governments as well.

If Ontario workers matched the average work hours of those living in the U.S., the study estimates the federal, provincial and local tax revenues from the province would rise by $17 billion dollars annually."

www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2006/09/01/work-ontario.html

More on the cowardly Steyn and Warren:

"Mark Steyn and his comrades think they are so courageous (as they make clear virtually every day). But a courageous act entails risk, and they never risk anything. Quite the contrary, they are desperate to eliminate all perceived risks to their "safety," regardless of the costs."

http://url123.com/ewavn

I received this email today. Thought I would share it.

============================================

"AMERICA!"

Osama Bin Laden, your time is short;
We'd rather you die, than come to court.
Why are you hiding if it was in God's name?

You're just a punk with a turban; a pathetic shame.

I have a question, about your theory and laws;
"How come you never die for the cause?"

Is it because you're a coward who counts on others?
Well, here in America, we stand by our brothers.

As is usual, you failed in your mission;
If you expected pure chaos, you can keep on wishing
Americans are now focused and stronger than ever;
Your death has become our next endeavor.

What you tried to kill, doesn't live in our walls;
It's not in buildings or shopping malls.

If all of our structures came crashing down;
It would still be there, safe and sound.

Because pride and courage can't be destroyed;
Even if the towers leave a deep void.

We'll band together and fill the holes
We'll bury our dead and bless their souls.

But then our energy will focus on you;
And you'll feel the wrath of the
Red, White and Blue.

So slither and hide like a snake in the grass;
Because America's coming to
kick your ass!!!

"If Ontario workers matched the average work hours of those living in the U.S., the study estimates the federal, provincial and local tax revenues from the province would rise by $17 billion dollars annually.""

so Dulton was right all along . . there IS a fiscal imbalance in Ontario

www.break.com/index/security_test.html

Aussie security test...

Report: Hordes of U.K. terror supporters
UPI ^ | 9/2/2006

LONDON, Sept. 2 (UPI) -- A top British police official warns in a new documentary that supporters of terrorist plots in the United Kingdom could number into the thousands.

London Deputy Assistant Commissioner Peter Clark said that while exact numbers were difficult to pin down, there was a broad base of support for terrorist attacks in Britain ranging from actual conspirators to those urging them on.

The Mirror quoted Clark as saying, "All I can say is that our knowledge is increasing and certainly, in terms of broad description, the numbers of people we have to be interested in are in the thousands."

The BBC2 documentary "Al Qaeda - Time to Talk" concludes that threats exist both within the homegrown British Muslim community and immigrants from other Muslim nations. It also contends that British Muslims have been joining terrorist groups in Iraq.

The program will air in Britain Sunday night. ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1694896/posts

Productivity studies are a joke; why people put so much faith in them I'll never know. They're about as accurate weather forecasts. As the saying goes - Garbage IN, Garbage OUT; believe them if you want; but if you do, it's like basing your election voting on an Ipsus-Reid poll and we all know how accurate they are!

More on the cowardly Steyn and Warren:
"Mark Steyn and his comrades think they are so courageous (as they make clear virtually every day). But a courageous act entails risk, and they never risk anything. Quite the contrary, they are desperate to eliminate all perceived risks to their "safety," regardless of the costs."

Do I hear something beneath that bridge?

Sunday, September 03, 2006
Palestinian Terrorists Fire on Children, AP Obfuscates

This is a great example of how appallingly corrupt the wire services have become in their reporting from Palestinian areas, relying on Palestinian journalists and editors who are doing the bidding of terrorist groups and covering up atrocities.

Associated Press writer Ali Daraghmeh’s story is about a gang of masked terrorists who fired on a crowd of schoolchildren to enforce a “teacher’s strike,” wounding a 12-year old boy.

Think about that. They used live fire against a crowd of children.

But the Associated Press headline for the story is deliberately worded to be as innocuous and misleading—in fact, downright confusing—as possible: Palestinian teachers’ strike hurts boy.

NABLUS, West Bank - Masked militants trying to keep students away from school during a politically charged Palestinian teachers’ strike on Sunday shot and wounded a 12-year-old boy.
LGF

Not only that, but the troll under the bridge cites a quote from everybody's favourite sock puppet, Glenn Greenwald.

A timeline of Greenwald posting under fictitious names to support his own rubbish can be found at

ace.mu.nu/archives/187585.php

It may be nice in Sask. but here it is miserably raining and my dry suit has failed so I can't even dive :-(

Steyn and Warren aren't talking about their own courage or cowardice, and it is ingenuous of anyone to make such a claim.

They are discussing the nature of 'conversion to Islam at the point of a gun' and asking what does such a conversion mean to the person who does such an act and the person who insists on that act. They are asking 'what is the meaning of such an act'. Both are claiming that to deny one's own belief system, and/or to take on another belief system, is not trivial and that the two Fox reporters trivialized it by treating that act 'with a shrug'.

What I think both Steyn and Warren ought to have done was to explore further. They should have asekd questions about the nature of Islam.

Does conversion to Islam at gunpoint show the weakness of the belief system of the Forced Converter or the weakness of Islam?

If the choice of a particular religion is made only by a threat to one's life, then the content of that particular religion is irrelevant.The meaning of the act of conversion rests solely and only within the physical preservation of one's life. The religion itself is meaningless.

What ought to be talked about, is the shallowness of a 'religion' or set of beliefs that can be accepted without knowledge, without study, without deep self-exploration and is instead taken up only by threats at gunpoint.

What set of beliefs wants people in their group who can reject their former belief system at gunpoint and take on another, at gunpoint? Doesn't this mean that yet another belief system could just as rapidly 'convert' the individuals, by the use of a gun to one's head?

Does Islam consist of such a shallow set of beliefs that one can convert to it, without knowledge, without study, without comparison between one's current beliefs and Islam? Does Islam operate with such shallowness and emptiness of beliefs that people convert only out of physical self-defense without any intellectual action?

Those, in my view, are the questions that ought to be asked of Islam.

Sadness & Triumph

http://hallsofmacadamia.blogspot.com/2006/09/kicking-tali-butt.html

At the battle of Vimy Ridge, arguably Canada's greatest military victory ever; which some people claim is what forged our country's national identity, if Canadian troops had this same kill ratio... there would have been 175,000 German bodies to bury.

It goes to show that Canadian soldiers are led from the front by senior NCO's,as seen in two warrant officers listed amongst the casualties in Afghanistan.Rest in peace boys ,i'm sure you gave 'em a taste of hell before moving on down the line.

What is the value of a poll when 46-50% of respondants eithe are unsure or not bothered (nothing).

http://www.ottawasun.com/News/National/2006/09/03/1797929-sun.html

FAR-RIGHT extremists?

Muslim Islamist extremists?

How to tell them apart? ...-

"Massoud Shadjareh, chairman of the Islamic Human Rights Commission, said the videoed threats were extremely worrying."

Britons threaten Muslim beheadings in footage

The Australian ^ | 09/03/2006 | by Daniel Foggo
FAR-RIGHT extremists have adopted the tactics of Islamic jihadis by posting videos on the internet in which they threaten to behead British Muslims. The films show balaclava-clad white British men brandishing guns, knives and clubs, calling on all Muslims to leave Britain or be killed. One appears to be a soldier who has served in the Gulf. In one film, a man tells Muslims to "go home" or risk being burned alive. He threatens, "I'll cut your head off", and claims to have "comrades" across Britain who have "had enough". The videos were made after the arrests three weeks ago...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1694957/posts

LIVE POST

CBC radio news 1900 Sunday

The CBC is reporting, with glee, the deaths of 4 soldiers. The "fearless Taliban fighters" are puting up "resistance".

According to the way this is being reported by the CBC, the noble victorious Taliban are killing casualties (sic). This is then immediately followed by Jack Layton saying this is the "wrong mission".

A brief report from some conservative guy that they did not die in vain.

But doubts from somewhere else.

Now discussion with Michel Drapeau (who's he??)

"A fearless determined enemy (Christ, they killed 4 and lost how many?? I would rather say stupid enemy).

CBC reporter reveals ignorance - why not soften up more first before going opn the ground: Answer: weed the m*kers out.

Is Drapeau a serving military person? From commetns, it does not appear so. Can someone answer this?

Why I ask is because he is giving political opinions, something a serving military person would not.

"Every day we are in Afg, we lose abuility to respond to other crises" Is this the military speaking? or some CBC retired flunky???

Yes, former DG dept. of defence, RETIRED etc....

Why didn't the CBC interview sopmeone who wasn't promoted by the Liberal party??

L'État, c'est moi

Excerpt from comments:

wretchard said...

The State monopoly on the use of violence to enforce justice, like all monopolies, is tolerable only for as long as it works reasonably well. When it begins to fail due to political correctness or inefficiency, a black market for security will emerge. People who have followed Iraq the Model will note how "neighborhood patrols" soon begin to emerge where the state is perceived as being unable to provide security. The "Minutemen" on the southern border derives largely from the perception that the border patrol has failed.

Hamstringing law enforcement with PC rules then reacting to the resulting public disappointment with magisterial pronouncements about the sole of legitimacy residing in the state has the effect of disempowering those who would trust the state and empowering those who would subvert it. Hence the bizarre phenomenon of laws which only restrict the law abiding, while scofflaws are more less left to scoff.

On an international scale the result is Darfur, where only the sleeping lifeguard is authorized to save the drowning man who, though capable of swimming, is prohibited from doing so. ...-
http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12136206&postID=115724066883707748

Has the tipping point been reached? ...-

Pyrthroes said...

Forget national-state military establishments. Contract soldiering out to properly equipped and trained bodies of specialized super-troops, tasked with hunting down and killing designated targets and their leaders.

.....

You may think Eurabia is a done deal, but surprise!

At tipping points, we'll take leaves from your own book.

Allah has forsaken you and your abominable conceits for lo! these thousand years. Mullah-cracies from Marrakesh to Zamboanga definitely need a dash of realism, straight. ...-
belmont club

Stones

Ht: An email from Tiger:

If you don't think our military pilots earn their pay ... you need to take a look at this picture ... and then look again and realize what you're seeing ..
...-

If this does not impress you ... nothing ever will. Gives me the chills and a serious case of the vertigo ... I can't even imagine having the nerve ... much less the talent and ability ... God Bless our military!!!!! ...-

http://observanda.blogspot.com/2006/09/stones.html

why Whacko-Jacko Layton is such a pathetic excuse for a human being . . .

http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Colu...03/ 1798329.html

Licia Corbella

I recall the first time I travelled to Rome I was completely blown away by how old it was.

I would point at various buildings while my cousins drove so expertly through the seemingly chaotic but actually well-ordered traffic, and repeatedly asked: "How old is that?"

At first my cousin Bianca would ponder the question for a few seconds. "That is 2,000 years old," or "that is about 1,000 years old" or "that is not so old, maybe 800 years" etc. etc.

Within a day or two her answers would be more brusque: "1,000," "2,000," "500."

I did a similar thing in Afghanistan in December 2003 to the various interpreters who expertly drove me around Kabul in the literally chaotic traffic.

Only, instead of asking them how old is this or that, I would ask "who destroyed that building?" or "who flattened this block?" or "who bombed the palace?" or "who burned the movie theatre?"

At first, like my cousin, the interpreters would turn their head, look at the building and consider their answer. "That was burned by the Taliban," or "that was bombed by the Taliban," or "the Taliban flattened this entire block" etc.

Eventually, one of our interpreters, Patrice, turned to me and essentially said, "the destruction you see everywhere, 99.9% of it was caused by the Taliban.

The war with the Soviet Union actually didn't destroy much of this city, in fact, the Soviets actually built a lot of the buildings" and he would point out the ugly, still-standing tenements that looked like luxury in that destroyed city.

He went on to explain further.

"The only things the Taliban didn't destroy were their own houses, their own businesses and mosques. They destroyed everything, made people destroy any art and photos of their families, all books but the Qur'an and they murdered thousands of people with no trial.

They destroyed this entire country. I hate them. Everyone hates them."

The Taliban -- which literally means "religious scholars" were, and still are, fascistic Islamists who hate all who disagree with them and are intent on killing them.

These are the people NDP Leader Jack Layton wants to sit down with and negotiate a peace settlement with.

"We believe that a comprehensive peace process has to bring all combatants to the table," said Layton on Thursday, when he called for Canadian troops to immediately withdraw from Afghanistan.

"You don't accomplish peace if those who are fighting are not involved in a peace-based discussion that's fundamental," added Layton.

What he refuses to acknowledge is you also don't accomplish peace when one of the groups you are fighting doesn't want peace, they only want to terrorize an entire country and rule that country with a draconian iron fist.

So, I urge Jack, go right ahead.

It's clear he should visit Afghanistan because he clearly has no clue what he's talking about or who he thinks our soldiers are dealing with.

So, go sit down with the Taliban, Jack.

If all they do is laugh at you, you'd be lucky because the likely outcome would either be an axe blade embedded into your skull delivered cowardly from behind (as happened to Canadian Lieut. Trevor Greene, who almost died) or some kind of a slower death, such as burying you up to your neck and stoning you in the soccer stadium (as happened to tens of thousands of innocent Afghans for heinous sins such as hiding photographs of their family, reading a book other than the Qur'an or being accused of adultery) or simply cutting off your head with a dull and rusty knife while screaming "Allah is great!" (as continues to happen today in some Islamist states to presumptuous and well-meaning western infidels who fall into the wrong hands.)

So, actually, I don't recommend trying to sit down with the Taliban.

But I do recommend Layton visit Afghanistan, as Prime Minister Stephen Harper has done and just this past week Gordon O'Connor, Canada's defence minister did.

In Afghanistan, Jack would meet with Afghan people, particularly women, who, as soon as they would find out he was Canadian, would say something I heard dozens of times in my 12 days in that des-troyed -- but rapidly improving country.

"Thank you so much for what your country is doing. Because of Canadian troops, I now have clean wells where I can get water for free, I can once again work to help support my children after my husband was murdered by the Taliban. My girls can once again attend school in buildings built by Canadian troops and supplied with Canadian supplies.

"Thank you for giving us hope again after we lived in hell for so many years." Those are the exact words I heard from Mahfooza, a young widow, who looked much older than her 32 years, who lived in a hillside village just outside of Kabul.

While virtually everyone in Afghanistan suffered terribly under the Taliban it was women and children who suffered most.

Women had to remain covered up when in public completely. The windows of their homes had to be blackened to ensure that no man could gaze upon them when they were inside their homes.

They were not allowed to work and were not allowed to be in the presence of men who were not relatives. That meant they could not ever see a doctor, since females doctors were not allowed to practise.

Toys were banned. Music was banned. Photographs and pictures of any natural object had to be destroyed.

They were prisoners for three years, unable to feel the sun on their skin the whole time which led to severe vitamin deficiencies that caused many of them to lose their hair and teeth.

Many starved. Many others purposefully walked out in front of trucks to be killed.

Jack Layton wants to negotiate with people who think such a society is ideal.

What a buffoon

Thanks, wimpy, for the quote from the CBC:

"Every day we are in Afg, we lose abuility to respond to other crises".

Such an incisive logic! Such an incredible awareness of the basic reality of If X, then Not Y. Therefore, "every day we are in X-country, we lost ability to respond to other crises in Y-country. And when we are in Y-country, we lost the ability to respond to crises in Z-country. And when we are in Z-country....oh heck...let's just sit in our ice huts and fish.

Thanks Fred, for the outline. Very good. Remember the old Buddhist statues the Taliban blew up despite the world asking them not to? That shows what they think of Others.

thanks fred
jack should be shipped to his body castro together with his wife - they not deserve to live here.

By the way, with reference to my question about the nature of a religion or belief system that considers conversion by threat to be a valid conversion, I wonder if this is really valid in Islam.

The Quran, II, 256 specifically says "No compulsion is there in religion". So, presumably, if the Islamists follow the Quran, then, they can't accept a conversion made under compulsion. However, the Quran is, in my view, less a religious tract and more a sociopolitical tract and therefore, it also encourages all out war against 'the unbelievers...the friends of Satan..(IV, 75).

But, I think the question should be asked. What should one think of a belief system which is so superficial, so shallow, that it doesn't ask the convert to study and know its axioms, and accepts a conversion made under duress and within ignorance and fear.

And a further thought on conversion.

To convert at gunpoint, might mean to some, that the person who converts is a 'weakling'. That is what some people (Warren, Steyn) are suggesting will be the view of the Islamists who will triumphantly declare that the 'western converts are weaklings'; the 'satanists convert at the point of a gun'.

I am a great fan of both Warren and Steyn, but on this issue I will disagree. I think it's more profound than a street corner gangland show proving who is 'not afraid'.

To a Westerner, life is itself valid and valued. And therefore, each individual who lives is valid and valued.

To an Islamic fascist, life itself is meaningless. Only the afterlife has any value. Living individuals are therefore expendable; they are not valid and valued.

Therefore, the forced conversion doesn't show any weakness of Westerners; it shows that they value life and living, and that Islamists have no interest in either life or the living.

I think this disinterest in life and living is revealed in the Islamic disinterest in science, in knowledge, in questions, in exploration of our world - as well as in their focus on massacres, revenge killings, repressive social and political modes and rejection of other views.

Thanks Fred and ET and Mazz
hopefully we are starting to see Islam for what it is.

Another White Feather* goes to Jack "Taliban" Layton, leader of the Canadian New Democratic [socialist] Party. ...-

Soldier killed in Afghanistan remembered as ideal neighbour and loving father
CFB PETAWAWA, Ont. (CP) - A soldier killed in heavy fighting in Afghanistan Sunday was described by a neighbour as a man with a "genuine soul" who was devoted to his children and committed to his work in the Canadian Forces. ...-
cnews

*The White Feather is a symbol of cowardice.

Blasphemy does not raise the tone of discussion on a blog. It does reveal the wretched heart of the person who contributes it. Christ crucified -- afresh.

What a country........ Hezboliberals, Gilles and a lib marching with the Hezbollah supporters, Dosanhj talking about negotiating with terrorists, and now Taliban Jack denigrating the effort and sacrifice of the brave man and women who are putting it all on the line to bring hope to people that have been severely oppressed under the Taliban.
I hope that this support for terrorism is remembered next election.

Wimpy protests this at 6:14 above.

**CBC radio news 1900 Sunday

The CBC is reporting, with glee, the deaths of 4 soldiers. The "fearless Taliban fighters" are puting up "resistance".

According to the way this is being reported by the CBC, the noble victorious Taliban are killing casualties (sic). This is then immediately followed by Jack Layton saying this is the "wrong mission". **

===== Bias again? Why do we sheeple put up with this manipulation via the CBC.

Wimpy may have just finished a coffee and was on full alert. I have also twigged to several of these anti-Harper / CPC reports from the CBC.

Makes my blood boil. We pay for this **SPIN** with our taxes. How stupid do we Canadians have to be to swallow this without protest?

I notice now that the CBC are careful to mention that while [4] Canadian military were lost, there were 200 Taliban wiped and eighty some-odd prisioners taken. = TG

Interesting comments. ET, as always. I think Mark Steyn and David Warren's respective columns were not so much attacks on those "fake-conversion" journalists as expressions of an uncomfortable truth about the relative moral spinelessness of the West, and about the propaganda value to Islamists of such performances.

I've noticed that those who take the most umbrage with David Warren's admittedly harsh point seem to stand on an underlying principle that abnegation of country, queen, faith is the appropriate action when one is under duress. But this -- not entirely unreasonable -- "Hey, wouldn't you?" defense should not block consideration of the larger issues.

The "conversions", insincere though they may have been, affirmed for Islamists their understanding that the citizens of the West are whores to the wind's direction, and weak in their core values. It's certainly doubtful that many Muslims would never calmly act out scenes abnegating their personal beliefs after several few days of green tea and an uncertain future.

No one should villify the reporters, but -- as a separate issue, and in defense of Warren's position -- in the long run it's not a bad thing to have a social proscription against abnegating one's honour on short notice, or against pledging allegiance to the god or political system of whoever happens to have the upper hand physically at any given moment.

Read Steyn and thought he was right on.

ET; great thoughts/questions. I'm still catching up on news re: this group that kidnapped Centanni. I would think that no self-respecting Muslim would want to have anything to do with this forced conversion and says alot about the hypocrisy of these fanatics, who happen to be Muslim.

Is this group being embraced/accepted by Al Qaeda? I would think they would want to put some distance between themselves and this
ill-concieved stunt. What message, if any are they trying to send? Is it possible their message is as much to Westerners/Christians as it is to other Muslims? A message of dominance to Muslim subjects? A rally cry to others?

I thought Steyns' conclusion and your observation about the value of the after-life
presented an interesting juxtaposition. The funny side of me asks;why then, do they want to kill us if we're already dead?

Too much time spent trying to understand
hypocrisy.

Read Steyn and thought he was right on.

ET; great thoughts/questions. I'm still catching up on news re: this group that kidnapped Centanni. I would think that no self-respecting Muslim would want to have anything to do with this forced conversion and says alot about the hypocrisy of these fanatics, who happen to be Muslim.

Is this group being embraced/accepted by Al Qaeda? I would think they would want to put some distance between themselves and this
ill-concieved stunt. What message, if any are they trying to send? Is it possible their message is as much to Westerners/Christians as it is to other Muslims? A message of dominance to Muslim subjects? A rally cry to others?

I thought Steyns' conclusion and your observation about the value of the after-life
presented an interesting juxtaposition. The funny side of me asks;why then, do they want to kill us if we're already dead?

Too much time spent trying to understand
hypocrisy.

Headteacher who never taught again after daring to criticise multiculturalism

Excerpt:

Last week, 22 years on, he was finally vindicated. The same liberal establishment that had professed outrage at his views quietly accepted that he was, after all, right. Ruth Kelly, the Communities Secretary, made a speech, publicly questioning the multiculturalist orthodoxies that, for so long, have acted almost as a test of virtue among "right-thinking" people. As Miss Kelly told an audience: "There are white Britons who do not feel comfortable with change. They see the shops and restaurants in their town centres changing. They see their neighbourhoods becoming more diverse.

Detached from the benefits of those changes, they begin to believe the stories about ethnic minorities getting special treatment, and to develop a resentment, a sense of grievance. We have moved from a period of uniform consensus on the value of multiculturalism, to one where we can encourage that debate by questioning whether it is encouraging separateness. These are difficult questions and it is important that we don't shy away from them. In our attempt to avoid imposing a single British identity and culture, have we ended up with some communities living in isolation of each other, with no common bonds between them?"

http://www.paulding.net/bin/url.cgi/13395.13

Hi Kate!

Great to see you're still blogging - you do have a great blog and of course I hope you're still conservative!

I'm now quite pleased with the conservative government and I think that they have a very long tenure ahead!

You may recall that I was suffering with an abuse of my human rights at the hands of an socialist insurance company - the matter has yet to be resolved and I still have a protest website - I would like to share the new link with your readers if I may:

HTTP://WWW.DENTAL-SPY-IMPLANTS.BLOG.CA

Thank-you for letting share here and - here's to many good years of conservative house cleaning in canada!

Jack "Taliban" Layton must be called into this challenge to negotiate an end to this "serious nomination challenge". Jack would bring an end to this "nail-biter" forthwith by imposing sharia law. ...-

Former Supporter Challenges Benoit's Riding Nomination
MP Leon BenoitFive-term Conservative MP Leon Benoit is facing a serious nomination challenge from a former supporter, and Tory insiders are predicting this to be a nail biter with a "strong possibility" that the veteran incumbent MP could "very well lose the nomination battle." ...-
nationalnewswatch

A sign of things to come if the Libs had won?

"Day care trouble looming at Toronto City Hall
August 25, 2006 01:20 PM

TORONTO — Trouble is looming at Hester How Daycare Centre, located in Toronto’s city hall, where a strike/lockout deadline has been set for midnight Wednesday, August 30th"

http://www.cupe.ca/childcare/Day_care_trouble_loo

ET

you have exactly described the depth (or lack of it) in Islam. One does not have to study and practice for any amount of time before converting. One simply has to convert/submit. Islam means "submission".

I also think this forced conversion shows what their agenda really is. They are not concerned with land or nationhood - they are all about converting or killing infidels or having them submit to living as dhimmis and paying the jizra tax.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think a single mullah or Islamic religious expert has condemned this forced conversion, I assume because this is considered an appropriate method of spreading Islam across the world.

Associated Press, aka AP, says the Muslim Islamist terrorist "shouted "God is great!"".

AP is attempting to cover up that which the Muslim Islamist terrorist shouted: alluah akbar.

The Muslim Islamist terrorist was praising Allah; murdering in the name of Allah.

Islam: Allah is a god of murder; Islam is a religion of murder. ...-

Gunman Opens Fire On Tourists In Jordan

AP ^ | Sept 4 2006
A gunman opened fire on tourists at the Roman Amphitheater in Jordan's capital on Monday, killing a British man and wounding six other people, including a police officer, officials said. Interior Minister Eid al-Fayez said a British man was killed, while two British women, a Dutch man, an Australian woman, a New Zealand woman and a police officer were injured. The man, clean-shaven and appearing to be his mid-30s, shouted "God is great!" before firing several shots at them, said an Iraqi witness, Mohammad Jawad Ali. The worst attack, a triple suicide bombing at hotels in Amman in November, killed...
free republic

ex-liberal - to my knowledge, no Muslim imam or other authority has condemned the forced conversion. This is an integral aspect of the refusal of the 'average Muslim', the so-called 'non-violent Muslim' to condemn the actions of those whom the Muslim community has tried to inform us are merely a 'few extremists'.

When terrorist attacks occur, the response of Muslim authorities is almost homogeneous. They immediately verbally attack the West, accusing the West of 'islamophobia', accusing the West of thinking that 'all Muslims are terrorists', stating that they, the Muslim community, are now 'fearful of their lives'. They refer to the actual terrorists as 'the few extremists', trying to imagize them as outside of the Muslim reality and outside of Muslim authority.

They say nothing about the terrorist actions, they don't condemn them, they don't condemn the imams openly preaching hatred in the mosques, they say nothing about the open web sites preaching hatred, they say nothing about Al Qaeda, Iran's insistence that the West 'convert'. Nothing - other than lumping actual terrorists into the peripheral zone of 'a few extremists', which is an attempt to define terrorists as 'outside of the Muslim world'. But, all evidence shows that these people are very much part of the Muslim world. The Muslim leaders refuse to discuss this.

They haven't condemned hostage-taking, they haven't condemned murder of hostages, they haven't condemned terrorism, forced conversion. Nothing. When they speak out, it is to accuse the West of hating them, the Muslims, for 'the actions of a few extremists'. But- why don't they condemn those 'extremists' and their actions, instead of trying to suggest that they have nothing to do with Islam?

Islam has to acknowledge this deep rot within themselves and start to address it, by themselves and for themselves.

Gates Of Vienna

At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war.

Western Feminism and the Need for Submission

by Baron Bodissey

The noted blogger Fjordman is filing this report via Gates of Vienna.

Some commentators like to point out that many of the most passionate and bravest defenders of the West are women, citing Italian writer Oriana Fallaci and others as examples. But women like Ms. Fallaci, brave as they might be, are not representative of all Western women. If you look closely, you will notice that, on average, Western women are actually more supportive of Multiculturalism and massive immigration than are Western men.

I got many comments on my posts about Muslim anti-female violence in Scandinavia. Several of my readers asked what Scandinavian men are doing about this. What happened to those Vikings, anyway? Did they drink too much mead in Valhalla? Despite the romantic mystique surrounding them today, the Vikings were for the most part savage barbarians. However, I doubt they would have looked the other way while their daughters were harassed by Muslims. In some ways, this makes present-day Scandinavians worse barbarians than the Vikings ever were.

One of the reasons for this lack of response is a deliberate and pervasive censorship in the mainstream media, to conceal the full scale of the problem from the general public. However, I suspect that the most important reason has to do with the extreme anti-masculine strand of feminism that has permeated Scandinavia for decades. The male protective instinct doesn’t take action because Scandinavian women have worked tirelessly to eradicate it, together with everything else that smacks of traditional masculinity. Because of this, feminism has greatly weakened Scandinavia, and perhaps Western civilization as whole. ...-

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/

P.S.

Think of Jack "Taliban" Layton's press conference; Layton, with the white feathers of cowardice spewing from his brain: Submission, dhimmitude to the Taliban.

When the ignoble, traitorous Layton walked away from the reporters (who fawned him), Layton's wife, Olivia Chow, obediently, hand-in-hand, walked away, submissively, with him. ...-

"But, I think the question should be asked. What should one think of a belief system which is so superficial, so shallow, that it doesn't ask the convert to study and know its axioms, and accepts a conversion made under duress and within ignorance and fear."

ET,I must take exception with your entire comment/question string on these'alleged'conversions.You are assuming an awful lot.
Firstly,nobody converted anybody.If someone put an axe over my neck and told me to admit I was a purple people-eater,I would comply.That would not make me one.This was strictly a display of bravado and power over the infidels,the video to be used,I'm sure,in aiding brainwashing recruits.
Secondly,to judge an entire religion of millions on the actions of some extremists is unfair and just plain inaccurate.Nobody with any common sense believes these men actually converted religions,no matter what words they uttered to save their lives.I'm sure any good Muslim(surely you believe some do exist)would be as appalled at this as we.

ET,just as the act of rape is less about sex and more about power and control,this was less about conversion and more about a public display of power and submission to their ideals.The freed men's shrugs showed they realize this.

Canadian Observer - I disagree with you. Read Steyn and Warren for their columns on the meaning of this 'conversion'. The fact that the word 'conversion' was used by all parties can't be ignored and can't be reduced to 'everybody knows they didn't really, really, really convert'. That's not the issue.

Equally, the majority Muslims should have openly and publicly derided and rejected this action. They should have stated that such a 'conversion' is invalid; they didn't.

That means that they accept force as a legitimate mode of interaction with others in the world. And that's important; that should be rejected. It wasn't.

- Steve Irvin passed away due to stingray barb.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,212037,00.html

- Canadian soldier dies due to friendly fire.

You're a warrior maz2.

What do you call your war?
Operation Wash, Rinse, Repeat or Operation Enduring Heroin?

Blatchford's romance with Jack "Taliban" Layton ends. Olivia is poutingly pleased. Sad. ...-

Daily Column | September 4th, 2006

Globe | Christie Blatchford::Love the soldiers? Love the soldiering

I covered Jack Layton during the last federal election. I like him. I know him not to be a stupid man, and he’s certainly fun. We exchanged iPods on the campaign plane one day. I used to joke and call myself his unofficial publicist, so shamelessly affectionate were the pieces I filed from my time on his tour.

I saw him on CBC Newsworld yesterday afternoon and if I could have, I would have reached into my television set and grabbed him by the throat — anything to shake some sense into him and knock off that pious expression of sorrow.

Mr. Layton had his sad face on. This is what our politicians wear when they talk about dead Canadian soldiers. Mr. Layton is not alone in this. And I don’t doubt that he also was genuinely sad, or that all of them are sad.

But of the major federal parties, only Mr. Layton and the New Democrats want to invite the killers of Canadian soldiers to the negotiating table. ...-
jack's newswatch

T'is a sad day for whom enjoyed Steve Irwin's doco's on wildlife. After all the dangerous animals he handled, he copped it just swimming next to a stingray! No handling of it or nothing. While many Aussies think him an embarassment, he did much to bring awareness to us all. He will be sadly missed.

More from: September 4, 2006 10:40 AM

Unlike [dave m.] Seattle, Jordanians Know

Terrorism When They See It
9/4/06 | 60Gunner

In Amman, Jordan, a Muslim male (surprise, surprise) shot one British tourist dead and wounded five others, including a Jordanian police officer. As the Muslim male opened fire, he shouted (surprise surprise) "Allahu Akhbar" (Muslim for "I'm going to kill you").

Jordan's Interior Minister Eid al-Fayez told reporters at the scene, "This is a cowardly terrorist attack, which we regret took place on Jordanian soil," [italics mine]. Al Fayez continued, "This operation is considered a terrorist act unless the man is found to be deranged."

Well, how about that. When a Muslim male opens fire on non-Muslims anywhere in the world except Seattle, it is a terrorist act. But in Seattle, where a Muslim male (surprise, surprise) opened fire on Jewish women after identifying himself as a Muslim, Police Chief Gil Kerlikowski refused to call it a terrorist act. He was even reluctant to call it a "hate crime." Seattle's city council and police department went through the some shocking gyrations in their attempts to avoid calling a terrorist act what it indeed was. Kerlikowski even went so far as to post police cruisers around Seattle-area mosques in order to prevent retaliatory assaults against Muslims.

Now let me ask you this: when was the last time a retaliatory attack against Muslim males or mosques occurred in the continental United States? I can't think of a single incident. Now why would that be? Could it be that Americans are above that sort of thing? I certainly think so.

But deranged liberals like SPD Chief Gil Kerlikowski and Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels live in a world where everything is upside down. The perpetrators become the victims, and the victims are to blame for tempting the criminals. Shame on us. ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1695366/posts

You keep hewing to that line, maz2. It’s a winner.

A real vote getter.

Just heard a report that 90% of heroin comes from Afganistan, and profits from this is used to arm and support AlQueda. Does that mean that all those supporting a safe injection site in Vancouver, for heroin addicts, and the addicts themselves are supporting our enemies and indirectly responsible for killing our troops. Do any drug users, recreational or addicts, feel a little responsible for their life choices that lead to death in afganistan. Or is their attitude, at least we are not killing our addicts, who are very responsible and contributing members of canada's society. In days gone past, anyone found supporting the enemy in any way were called treasonous and many were killed.