Jack Layton

Lets hope "Smilin Jack" leads the way to the caves and deserts to "Negotiate" with these people who have no resoect for human rights or Life.
He can be the poster boy for the next generation of left wing "I know better whats best for you" party.
Jack, go save the world on your own time and leave the heavy thinking to people who realy care about human rights, that includes the rights of people in Canada and the USA.

According to the CKOM web site Jack! is on at 10:00 am local time. It's open line from 9:00 - 10:00. I might call. Anyone suggest any good questions?

Jack, why are people afraid to talk and just stay the course instead because that's what their leaders told them is best. And why do poeple keep coming up with inane analogies to ww2 and pretending to be Churchill.

Why are we in Afghan when pakistnan is supporting Osama?

Just listening to John Gormley, I think Jackie could be in for a "rough ride". "Tea with the Taliban anyone?????"

I agree with you Dave M. We should be taking a more muscular approach to Pakistan.

Hot pursuit is quite legitimate and we should chase the bastards down, even in Pakistan. Also, maybe, get a few of the Pakistan Intelligance Agency too.

I hearby and for-to-with empower Jack Layton the Head, Chief and Only negotiator to the crisis situation in Afganistan. (Any deal must be approved by the government)

He must immediately dispatched to formulate a deal with the Taliban. (I know he gallantly go alone without security since he believes the Taliban to be fine upstanding citizens.)

But seriously, a question for Jack? Well since the only thing he has ever said that I agree with is an expression for the loss of life of our soilders.

So here is my question: Jack Layton prefaces most of his statements with "Canadians believe...". I would like to know if Jack considers me to not be a Canadian. Or if he just doesn't really care what people (like me) think.

Too bad I have to go to class. Hope you have fun listening to him.

It will be interesting to see if anyone but the ndp phone jammers get through. Common practice for them is to have all their supporters jam the lines.

Is the real reason you want Canadian troops out of Afghanistan because you know the amount of depleted uranium that has been dropped there and the consequences that will occur 6 years from now. As Saskatchewan (NDP)is the worlds number 1 supplier do you feel guilt for the thousands of years worth of suffering the canadian soldiers family's will feel and the people of afghanistan will suffer.

Is the real reason you want Canadian troops out of Afghanistan because you know the amount of depleted uranium that has been dropped there and the consequences that will occur 6 years from now. As Saskatchewan (NDP)is the worlds number 1 supplier do you feel guilt for the thousands of years worth of suffering the canadian soldiers family's will feel and the people of afghanistan will suffer.

Hey, ku klux troll,

Nothing wrong with dupleted uranium, except that it greatly agitates lefties - which on second consideration is good.

Questions for Jack ...

You want to negotiate with the Taliban. What concessions are you willing to make on the NATO side, and what concessioins do you want in return from the Taliban ?

Or how about: Please write an op-ed in rebuttal to Lew Mackenzie in the Globe, and another one in rebuttal to Andrew Coyne in the National Post.

"I agree with you Dave M. We should be taking a more muscular approach to Pakistan."

Wimpy,I agree with you both.I've been bitching about their duplicity for months now.Arguably,pursuit of the Taliban by Pakistani troops within their own borders could ultimately lead to civil war...I say tough sh*t!

G.W.Bush said it best...

"In this war on terror,you are either with us or against us."

The bottom line?
Pakistan is harboring terrorists who are killing young Canadians.

The NDP socialist meeting in Montreal: a foretaste.

Barcs said: "Jack Layton prefaces most of his statements with "Canadians believe..."."

This is a rhetorical tactic favoured by sophists, such as Lenin/Stalin, and Comrade Jack "Taliban" Layton.

Notice in this article/speech of Stalin,the use of the words, by Stalin:

"as everyone knows".

Jack "Taliban" Layton, aka Comrade Layton, is a communist, well-versed in communist ideology, rhetoric, duplicity.

"Taliban" Jack has now forged an alliance with the G. Duceppe/ Bloc Quebecois, fellow communists.

Their aim/goal is first, to bring chaos to Canada by whatever means. Secondly, by this chaos, they hope to establish a communist dictatorship. For them the end justifies the means.

Down with the NDP/Bloc Quebecois.

Long live freedom and democracy. ...-

Unpublished Speech by Stalin
at the Plenum of the Central Committee, CPSU

October 16,1952

Opening paragraph and excerpt:

Yes, we did hold the Congress of our party. It went very well, and many of you might think that, amongst us there exists full harmony and unity. But we have not this harmony and unity of thought. Some of you are even opposed and do not like our decision.
........
STALIN - (interrupting Molotov) This is nonsense. I have no students at all. We are all students of the great Lenin.

Stalin suggested that they continue the agenda point by point and elect comrades into different committees of state.

With no Politburo, there is now elected a Presidium of the CC CPSU in the enlarged CC and in the Secretariat of the CC CPSU altogether 36 members.

In the new list of those elected are all members of the old Politburo - except that of comrade A.A. Andreev who, as everyone knows now is unfortunately completely deaf and thus can not function.

VOICE FROM THE FLOOR - We need to elect comrade Stalin as the General Secretary of the CC CPSU and Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR.

STALIN - No! I am asking that you relieve me of the two posts!

MALENKOV - coming to the tribune: Comrades! We should all unanimously ask comrade Stalin, our leader and our teacher, to be again the General Secretary of the CC CPSU. ...-
http://www.northstarcompass.org/nsc0004/stal1952.htm

Red Star is gloating; Aunty-American is gloating.

The pussy-wussies in Halifax have caved to the Taliban. ...-

Airshow drops US plane after 'friendly fire'
Toronto Star - 32 minutes ago
HALIFAX — The Nova Scotia International Air Show dropped a US warplane from its program Wednesday because it's identical to planes that killed a Canadian soldier and wounded dozens of others in Afghanistan. ...
google news

Ghormley just gave you a shout out, kate :)

Kate, John just mentioned you and SDA! Congradulations! It is great to seee you get acknowledgement that so just deserved!
Jack didn't hang around very long, maybe he realized that he was in "hostile territory".

I liked what Jack said about how we should concentrate on our northern sovereignty instead of Afganistan. He seemed to think it was incredibley important.
I wonder if he thought it was important enough so that Stephen Harper should have missed the Aids conference to go up there?

Speaking of Bananada Jack

here is an importnt item to check out if you time.
Funny Pick of Jack too.

http://tinyurl.com/pqgss

I was listening to Jack Layton the hezbollah sympathizer briefly and managed to get through to Gormley.
The fact I am in Ontario and listening to CKOM peaked their curiosity so I explained I was onto logged Kate's SDS site and she had made her readers aware thus I was listening on the internet.
Gormley sounds good in Ontario!
I wonder if Layton is still ululating on the way to the airport?

Taliban Jack knows what to say to the terrorists in Afghanistan in order to get them to not provide a base for international terrorist operations and stop killing Afghans too supposedly - so why is he talking at us???

If Taliban Jack knows how to talk to these guys - he should be talking to them!!!

Jack is making the rounds today. He was just on Tom Young's show in the Maritimes. Now, I heard him on Cross Country Checkup as well and noticed something. He loves to point out how Harper won't use the word "war" when describing Afghanistan, yet in both interviews I heard, Jack refuses to say the word "Taliban" when talking about "the combatants". Did anyone notice that on Gormley today? Murphy tried 2-3 times to get him to say it but Jack was in full prepared statement mode and wouldn't budge.

Tal-Jack, sometime known as "the Buffoon" (I will cherish that editorial forever, Licia:) won't call them Taliban, because the policy position of the NDP is that they are only ordinary Afghani citizens that we are terrorizing. To call them Taliban is to admit they exist. To admit they exist is to have to acknowledge what the entire world acknowledges -that they are terrorists rampaging the Afghan nation, which is inconsistent with his party's position that the true terrorists are our children.

Circularity is a bitch, Buff - it comes around to bite you in the ass every time. lol!

Layton is either the most naive person I know or one of the most ignorant persons I know. I can't decide which. OK, I'll go with Ignorant. These are the same Taliban that took great joy in beheading women in packed soccer stadiums (the only time women were allowed in soccer stadiums), and the same Taliban that don't allow women to be educated.

Jack must surely know that when you seek to make a deal with the devil - it is likely to cost you your soul.

Well said a different Bob! I agree 100%, he is an idiot.

I have 22 questions for Jack Laydown:

1. Regarding your suggestion that we negotiate with the Taliban, do you really think Nato would ever agree to that?

2. Who are you to suggest that we negotiate away the gains made by the Afghans over the last four years?

3. Why don't you respect the authority of the elected government of Afghanistan?

4. If you won't fight terrorists when we are winning when will you fight them?

5. What do you think of our soldiers killing 200 terrorists and capturing another 80 while sustaining only four casualties?.

6. Why aren't you prepared to have Canada help defend Afghanistan from terrorists?

7. Do you think this job should be done by our allies without our help or should Nato withdraw as well?

8. If Nato withdraws will the democratically elected government of Afghanistan be able to defeat the Taliban?

9. Even if the democratically elected government of Afghanistan can defeat the Taliban won't there be many times the number of innocents killed as are now being killed before the Taliban is eventually defeated?

10. Do you think Canadian blood is more precious than Afghani blood?

11. If the Taliban regains power won't they again give safe haven to al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations?

12. Do you remember what happened the last time the Taliban was in power in Afghanistan.

13. Did the Taliban reign of terror not bother you?

14. The NDP is very quick to stand up to the Unites States why is it afraid to stand up to Islamic terrorists?

15. Do you think Islamic terrorism is a threat to the world?

16. Are you aware of the Islamic attacks in Darfur, Thailand and India?

17. Did you hear of the "convert or else" threat issued by al Qaeda this past weekend?

18. Do you think you can negotiate with such people?

19. What are you prepared to give them?

20. Do you condone Islamic terrorism?

21. Why are you unwilling to stand up to it?

22. Please explain what use pacifists are in this war which has been declared upon western civilization?

Lament for a Nation--Canada, to be precise, hat tip to George Grant.

How did we manage to get such a light-weight, dull-brain, assinine, idiot as leader of a party whose ideas "matter," in the sense that about 20% of our population votes for the NDP?

Jack and Olivia, DINKS who make a yearly combined salary of about $400,000, want to rob the rest of us to pay for their hair-brained, no-brain, social programs. I don't think they have a clue about raising kids (I know he has kids, but was he an in-house dad? I don't think so, and Olivia has never had kids), but they sure have a lot of ideas on how those of us who are paying for these kids and are bringing them up ought to do it.

I wish they'd take a long walk off a short pier--the pier they're standing on, which is rather small and has no depth. I'm totally fed up with J and O's air-headedness, Jackass's pompous, empty, martinet earnestness, and Olivia's breathless speech and giggling: They're poseurs and the only reason they've made such a success of themselves is because too many Canadians have been brainwashed and deprived of their marbles,

God spare us from these useful, know-nothing idiots.

Jack Layton illustrates the reason why I support the following voting restrictions:

1) minimum IQ to vote
2) must be a net tax payer to vote
3) must pass a civics exam which covers all aspects of Canadian government as well as the issues of the campaign

Terry Gain - what marvellous questions. Thanks. Hey - email them to Layton. And copies to the PM, and Bill Graham and Duceppe. And to a few in the MSM - Margaret Wente, Peter Worthington, etc, etc. Please.

Just don't talk about the Koran to Gormley. One caller talked about 'taquiya' (sp?) and Gormley shut him down. I'd love to see Robert Spencer on his show but for some reason I don't think that will happen.

Other questions for Jack!:

Jack!, when your Taliban buddies re-introduce mass executions at the local soccer stadiums, will you be sitting up-front with the bourgeoisie or waaaaaay at the back with the proletariat?

Will the executioners be unionized? What kind of benefits will they get?

Thomas Paine wrote in the first Crisis paper, published on December 23, 1776, began with the famous words:

"These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph."

So would we be a summer or a winter soldier for our country?

It appears times have not changed too drastically from years long past.

A fit of clarity from Rick Mercer no less:

http://rickmercer.blogspot.com/2006/09/farewell-to-summer.html

Well since the only thing he has ever said that I agree with is an expression for the loss of life of our soilders.
The difference is, barcs, you meant it.

Thank you ET. I've had a child custody situation arise today and I'm quite pressed for time. I'm quite content to have you or any of the other visitors to this site forward my questions to whomever they wish - whether they be friend, foe or indifferent to the plight of the Afghanis.

And one further question should be asked of our dear friends on the left side of the political spectrum:

Why is a self-described progressive like you so opposed to progress for Afghanis and Iraqis?

Now Nasrallah is saying that attacking Israel was not a mistake:

http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php?StoryID=20060905-062422-6711r

Evidently, the Hezbollah leader must have misspoken himself as this CBC report suggests:

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/08/27/nasrallah-abduction.html

Hezbollah leader Nasrallah regrets war
Last Updated Mon, 28 Aug 2006 05:26:06 EDT
CBC News

The leader of the militant group Hezbollah says that if he had it to do all over again, he wouldn't order the capture of Israeli soldiers that ignited the war in Lebanon.

Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah in the Aug. 27 TV interview. (New TV/Associated Press)

"You ask me, if I had known on July 11 … that the operation would lead to such a war, would I do it? I say no, absolutely not," Sheik Hassan Nasrallah said in an interview with Lebanon's New TV station broadcast Sunday.

It was a mistake, and now it was not a mistake?

Go figure.

From Rick Mercer's Blog:

Agenda for Historic Peace talks between Jack Layton and Taliban leader - room 202 Casino Du Lac Leamy, Quebec

8:00 am – Jack Layton opening comments and welcome to assembled media and Taliban representative.

8:05 am – Taliban representative walks to podium, poses for photographs with Mr. Layton.

8:06 am – Taliban representative cleaves Mr. Layton in the forehead with giant axe.

8:08 am – Peace talks end.

8:10 am – Olivia Chow says she is "encouraged by talks” – announces plan to run for leadership of NDP.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Funniest thing I've read all day

"I liked what Jack said about how we should concentrate on our northern sovereignty instead of Afganistan."

Yes, we should use JTF-2 Special Forces to force out Innuit from their igloo bunkers. That will teach them to horde snowflakes during a time of crisis.

Mercers Blog

LOL...very funny

Another question for Jack-what will you give up in order to get the taliban to accept gay marriage and quit killing homosexuals. Also, who are you going to negotiate with. Have you got some deal with the Afgan government to negotiate on their behalf. Why don't you suggest that the next aids conference be held in Iraq or Afganistan to help their economy. Or are you afraid that too many of the delegates would be beheaded. If you and your wife think you are going to be the next political couple to become media darlings, think again. Media idiots, maybe.

WARNING: SPOILER AHEAD

Re Rick Mercer's Blog: It sounds like he's taken a page from the movie "Mars Attacks," where the President of the U.S., played roguishly by Jack Nicholson and his wife, played ditzily by Annette Bening, welcome the aliens' and their spaceships with marching bands and white doves.

Jack comes forward to shake the head alien's hand and someone lets the doves loose. Immediately, the doves are zapped to cinders and the true motives of the space beings are unmasked: too late.

It's hilarious--but it's Hollywood.

NDP tastes crow, caw...caw...caw. NDP no like craw,er caw,...

Jack "Taliban" Layton has no comment; head must've exploded again. Caw, Jack, caw, Buzzz,....

"The wording caught the attention of some Conservative blogs, landed on the front page of a national newspaper, and provided welcome fodder for right-wing radio hosts."

CP says: no big deal... vote NDP/Taliban. ...-

http://www.paulding.net/bin/url.cgi/13397.15

The provocative wording was part of a preamble to a resolution that called on Canada to withdraw its troops from Afghanistan.

It read: "No matter how noble our intentions, such as 'bringing democracy' or 'enabling peaceful development,' these goals cannot be achieved by violence when the 'enemy' cannot be distinguished from ordinary citizens. In such a situation Canadian troops end up acting like terrorists, destroying communities, killing and maiming innocent people. In turn our troops become easy targets for others."

The wording caught the attention of some Conservative blogs, landed on the front page of a national newspaper, and provided welcome fodder for right-wing radio hosts.

Party Leader Jack Layton, who has come out publicly in favour of a withdrawal from Afghanistan, wouldn't comment on the matter. But his office emphasized that it was unlikely the resolution - among more than 600 being put forward by riding associations - would even make it to the convention floor for debate.

On Wednesday afternoon, riding association president Sue Creba issued a statement saying members wished to withdraw the preamble.

"We in no way intended to suggest that our Canadian Forces personnel were in any way associated with terrorism," Creba said.

"The very intent of the motion was the protection and safety of our Canadian Forces and we regret that the words chosen in the preamble have changed the focus away from why the current mission in Afghanistan is the wrong mission for Canada."

The main part of the resolution stands, including a line that suggests "foreign troops engaging in combat will make peace more difficult to achieve." via CP (Communist Pravda)

capt_bob,

I agree wholeheartedly that the NDP should be the ones to negotiate a peaceful resolution to the current fighting in Afghanistan except for one point.

I think that the great leader with the porn star moustache is far too busy trying to save Canadians from prosperity to take on the job. Perhaps Audrey McLaughlin is up to the task.

Cheers

I posted, in regard to what lang said about the absurdity of "equality" yesterday. My earlier post seems to have been lost.

lang hit the same nail on the head that Kurt Vonnegut did in 1961 in his brilliant, prescient, jet black humour short story, "Harrison Bergeron". This is a must-read for sda afficionados. (Just google "Harrison Bergeron".)

First, LOL. Then weep: We're just about there.

P.S. The story, "Harrison Bergeron", starts this way:

"THE YEAR WAS 2081, and everybody was finally equal. They weren’t only equal before God and the law. They were equal every which way. Nobody was smarter than anybody else. Nobody was better looking than anybody else. Nobody was stronger or quicker than anybody else. All this equality was due to the 211th, 212th, and 213th Amendments to the Constitution, and to the unceasing vigilance of agents of the United States Handicapper General."

I don't want to beat a lame horse again - but - dear jack layton is just so out of touch with reality that it demands that we "canadians who believe" [such ego to think that he speaks for all canadians!] get our individual points made - like the other posting by maz2 - such talk from socialists - is all so much 'seen it before' rhetoric!

Thank God that still a great majority is so 'aware' when he engages in all the NDP double-speak - while in the back of his mind he knows that people like me are out here - people who are victims of his 'western socialism'!

It makes me laugh how they guise their brand of 'absolute power' in 'for the people programs' [wolf in sheeps clothing]- the idea is that people shall ignore their invasive ideology - because of their 'social programs'.

Of course - good and fair social programs can be operated by so-called right-wing governments.

I didn't listen to him on today's radio show as i no longer have an AM radio!

I would have called and asked him why he and his NDP caucus have ignored my MANY pleas to them to 'have a talk with their saskatchewan collegues - the provincial NDP government and to tell them that an 'chipping or implanting program is anti-charter and anti-canada' - but alas - he was spared my call.

I wonder how Jack and the federal NDP can ignore such an abuse of human rights as I'm enduring - how they can ignore the egregious apathy of the provincial NDP government - in this connection.

51 months and 1 day ago today - i went to the dentist for a simple tooth extraction and - without morals and ethics - the NDP's 'jewel in the socialist crown' - SGI - usurped that procedure - to have the dental 'professional' implant an extraneous object - i.e.: something that was not a dental appliance - within my lower sinus cavity - this abuse has induced a terrible state of terror within my life - which 'state' continues unto this day - as IT is still there within my sinus and - at this point - I still wait for answers - I still wait for IT to be removed - I still wait - for rights.

It must be considered that there is no question of anyone factually having rights - at least not until they are encroached - then - the question of having rights is satisfied and validated by an enforcement of those rights - otherwise - they are simply nice words on paper.

From where I sit Jack Layton cares more about the so-called rights of terrorists - a.k.a.: the taliban than they do about the Charter Rights of canadians - who have been abused under an NDP system.

If there are any leftists here reading this - please - just visit my protest website and just see how an 'abuse of power' can become so bad within a socialist system - even one - within Canada.

http://www.dental-spy-implants.blog.ca

If Jack Layton reads here by happenstance I just want to remind him that this implant abuse is an historic 'case in point' - one demonstrating to the population the very lucid reasons WHY the NDP should NEVER form ANY federal government - nor even an 'official opposition' status.

Yes Jack Layton - yah'll never have and - yah'll never will...

I would like to remind people visiting Saskatchewan from outside the province of this important fact:

You should know that if you do not reside in Saskatchewan - and are here visiting [doing business etc.,] and - [heaven forbid] you were to get into any accident - [a drunk driver hits you - or any at-fault accident that you are NOT at-fault for] - just know that YOU CANNOT sue [SGI decides what small compensation you get - if any - not a court] - you will be 'processed' under the NDP no-fault legislation!

No payment for injury - no payment for pain and suffering and loss of quality of life - only permanent impairments are so-called compensated [lost wages and medical are not always paid either] the maximum payment under no-fault insurance for permanent impairment is less than $200.000 - and you would have to be so messed up to see that amount - you would not be in any state to care.

The fact is - this NDP government [under 'extreme pressure' from SGI in 1994-5] decided that it was not a problem that the legal rights of non-residents were wiped out - when they created the no-fault insurance legislation - so yes - 'even you a non-Saskatchewan resident' can be ill-affected by 'this' SGI and it's no-fault nightmare!

Beware - SGI Canada sells auto insurance in six other provinces too [but the NDP and SGI do NOT want private insurance choices for auto insurance within Saskatchewan!]:

http://www.sgi.sk.ca/news_releases/2006/june_20_2006.html

don muntean

Who would ever vote for Taliban Jack and his band of idiots? According to polls, 18% of Canadians. That is truly scary!

Here is a somewhat recent reply i've posted to a socialist - who - like others of the socialist ilk either have - a difficulty understanding what a terorist is or - is in double-speak support of terrorists [i think it was the latter] - this was posted to another site - for the full exchange - please see the URL to follow:

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"Originally Posted by Danielle Field:

Is there an incy, wincy chance that I might not be contradicting myself and that, as has previously occurred, you might have thought I meant something I didn't? Just a thought . . . I hope its not the reference to Muslim fundamentalists being morons. I always thought that. They are a very tiny minority of the Muslim population. Most current Muslim resistance is against imperialism and the attacks imperialism is making on the rights of all Muslims wherever they are in the world. I show solidarity to Muslims who wish to overthrow capitalism. If you think that most Muslims are fundamentalists and don't understand the damage that that conception of Islam has on peace loving Muslims then you need to deepen your analysis so that it doesn't exacerbate Islamaphobia.

[...]

I understand why Muslim's get swayed by the arguments of fundamentalists when they see little in the way of solidarity coming from the rest of the world.

[...]

The problem with Muslim fundamentalists is the same problem as with Hindu fundamentalists. They think they have a direct line to God and don't have to refer to the will of the greater populace in their choice of methods of controlling society. Tony Blair is only answerable to God now by his own admission. He is a fundamentalist, a capitalist fundamentalist, just like George Bush. I fear them more because they have greater access to arms and a larger mandate to use them. They cause Islamic fundamentalism by targetting and scapegoating muslims in their bid to conceal the war they are waging on the international working class. I hold them and their administrations directly accountable for the rise of Islamic fundamentalism.

My argument is nothing if not consistent. If you've failed to recognise the constancy of my argument be open to the possibility that it is because you have not fully absorbed or understood my position. It shows a succint lack of humility for you to begin this with the assertion that I am contradicting myself. I have not accused you of any such thing. I have suspected it but have been open to the fact that there may be some means of correcting that position should I be in the wrong. Discussion and enquiry require humility. To assume someone is wrong just because you don't understand them is indicative of pride and makes disussion fraught."

[my reply]

You've wrote:

"...Islam alone is not capable of overthrowing capitalism, only the workers are.

...[muslims] have been targetted as the cause of economic problems that are actually caused by ruthless and inethical economic policies...How tolerant do we expect people to be and can we not understand when a group so harried for the natural resources present in their homelands resort to methods of violence to resist the extreme violence being meted upon them..."

Only extremist islamist muslims are trying to do this and - Muslims are not being targeted as you say.

I think your position may be thinking that since socialists wish to upset the capitalist apple cart too - it is somehow fortuitous to your cause that these [or any] extremists are also fighting the 'capitalists'.

Your hope is that the varied results of this 'resistance' may become an opportunity to sway the variety of populations to socialism or in the worst-case [for the world] scenario - if the attacks of extremists on 'capitalists' induced a widescale anarchy it could be an opportunity to induce a socialist revolution - however - the real result would be a nasty war between the islamists and the socialists.

You boldly say that Bush and Blair [and the rich ruling class] are responsible for the incitement of global terror and ithe violences are only reactionary - to them - this 'Islamic revolutionary activity' - that is what i clearly read.

This must be the case in your writing - ...'They cause Islamic fundamentalism by targetting and scapegoating muslims in their bid to conceal the war they are waging on the international working class'...

It is odd wording - taken with - 'How tolerant do we expect people [terrorists ] to be and can we not understand when a group so harried for the natural resources present in their homelands resort to methods of violence to resist the extreme violence being meted upon them' - and that point taken with - 'Capitalists must use force....It is this force I challenge but we are so many and they are so few such resistance would bring an end to war rather than perpetuate it as the capitalist system does of necessity. Muslims are not to blame. They feel threatened because their homelands have been under attack and threat of attack since the ruling class realised it needed control over the region to secure a constant oil supply' - none of that accounts for the known facts about the islamists radical revolution programme.

The global islamic revolution hasn't been born out of any fighting of 'capitalism' [or even so-called western domination] - infact - they are trying to widely impose their radical revolution for decades now - by propaganda by force and - by terror.

The so-called fight against so-called western domination is a sham they use to con some 'others' into following them and - to divert attention when their islamist programme begins to sound too radical.

You seem to not think of that 'component' in writing about this 'scenario':

Islam alone is not capable of overthrowing capitalism

You seem to be saying that Islam in particular and muslims in general - are at odds with western capitalist society but - that isn't true and - you don't see that you advance islamaphobia on that basis - by trying to confuse the lines of identity among the players of consequence.

Please don't try to make people think that Islam is united in some 'resistance' against capitalism - where it's only some radical so-called muslims who are so disposed.

So to say:

the only way we will overthrow the rising movement of Islamic fundamentalism is to overthrow the power structures that attract them to world domination - that is just plain wrong.

They are attracted to "world domination" - for other reasons - as noted.

Quote:

The problem with Muslim fundamentalists is the same problem as with Hindu fundamentalists

Reply:

Not even close. One cannot compare any other 'fundamentalists' with islamists - as they are the only ones that kill for their programme - not even evangelicals do that! But in this i think you're calling me a hindu fundie?

It was on that basis that I think you've been contradictory...

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"Taliban Jack"

Ooooh... I do like that.

Taliban Jack and the Enemy Party.

Didn't they do a couple of gigs at the Albion Hotel in Guelph once?

Maybe Jack has a point.

Canada has it's own Taliban - it's called the NDP and the Bloq. Maybe our troops should come home and concentrate military operations against these enemies of freedom and democracy first. The majority of Canadians would probably agree.

Other than the refined art of beheading and forced conversions to Islam, could someone post at least one medical advance, invention, technology improvement, patent, or anything else that has been discovered in the ME in the last 100 yrs, that is a must have in our society. What are they teaching in their schools and universities, that can be put to use in their own country? Another question I would like answered is, if they have no power, conveniences etc, how do they keep those white robes so clean.