Not satisfied with simply publishing classified information, the New York Times goes one better - they cherrypick from it. Mario Layola;
In retrospect I am so glad that the Times suppressed the second sentence in this finding and thus assumed poll-position in the race to go down as the Official Laughinstock of the '06 Election.
"Declassified Key Judgments of the National Intelligence Estimate" (PDF)
(Yes, I'm still on this road trip - just taking a couple of days break before we head onward to Michigan. I'm completely out of the loop on Canadian news, but - and I know this will surprise a lot of you - am spending a lot of time with Rush who is positively chortling over this story. Democrats ... red meat ... cliff. You know how the rest of it goes. Thanks again to the guest bloggers for doing such a great job!)
Yeah, thanks from me too to everybody stoking the fires while Kate's away.
Rush is great, Kate.
He can be bombastic but he is ALWAYS right and his articulation is absolutely priceless and so helpful in these times.
I got to the point I just could NOT stand cable and network news... it was so outrageously biased.
... and yes, 'chortle' is the word... tickled pink with that press conference with Karzai and Bush today... now that conference was a keeper.
I love Karzai's response to the idiot reporters question.
declassify this dear dubyaist:
Sep. 27, 2006. 05:10 AM
OLIVIA WARD
STAFF REPORTER
NEW YORK—Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf's biography has made international waves with its allegation that the United States threatened to bomb Pakistan "back to the stone age" if his country resisted joining the "war on terror."
But at a book launch at the Council on Foreign Relations Monday night, the Pakistani leader spoke of deep and potentially serious problems with neighbouring Afghanistan, where the Taliban are exerting lethal power despite NATO troops.
Yesterday, he also bluntly suggested Canada shouldn't be in Afghanistan if it can't take casualties without bemoaning them.
Thirty-six Canadian soldiers and one diplomat have died there since 2002. Canada's troop complement, largely in the Kandahar combat zone, is about 2,500. As leader of neighbouring Pakistan, the general said "the nation must be prepared to suffer casualties. So if you're not prepared to suffer casualties as an army, then don't participate in any operation."
ooooooo ya, with friends like that eh?
"yield to our will or suffer the same fate"
earmark of a criminal mind and/or world power.
Snowbunnie said: "I love Karzai's response to the idiot reporters question."
President Karzai,
before he went on to respond to Loven's second question, added his own observations on what must have seemed to him to be an expression of sheer lunacy:
PRESIDENT KARZAI: Ma'am, before I go to remarks by my brother, President Musharraf, terrorism was hurting us way before Iraq or September 11th. The President mentioned some examples of it.
These extremist forces were killing people in Afghanistan and around for years,
closing schools,
burning mosques,
killing children,
uprooting vineyards, with vine trees, grapes hanging on them,
forcing populations to poverty and misery.
They came to America on September 11th,
but they were attacking you before September 11th in other parts of the world.
We are a witness in Afghanistan to what they are and how they can hurt.
You are a witness in New York.
Do you forget people jumping off the 80th floor or 70th floor when the planes hit them?
Can you imagine what it will be for a man or a woman to jump off that high?
Who did that? And where are they now?
And how do we fight them, how do we get rid of them, other than going after them?
Should we wait for them to come and kill us again?
That's why we need more action around the world, in Afghanistan and elsewhere,
to get them defeated
-- extremism, their allies, terrorists and the like. ...-
powerlineblog
Snowbunnie said: "I love Karzai's response to the idiot reporters question."
President Karzai,
before he went on to respond to Loven's second question, added his own observations on what must have seemed to him to be an expression of sheer lunacy:
PRESIDENT KARZAI: Ma'am, before I go to remarks by my brother, President Musharraf, terrorism was hurting us way before Iraq or September 11th. The President mentioned some examples of it.
These extremist forces were killing people in Afghanistan and around for years,
closing schools,
burning mosques,
killing children,
uprooting vineyards, with vine trees, grapes hanging on them,
forcing populations to poverty and misery.
They came to America on September 11th,
but they were attacking you before September 11th in other parts of the world.
We are a witness in Afghanistan to what they are and how they can hurt.
You are a witness in New York.
Do you forget people jumping off the 80th floor or 70th floor when the planes hit them?
Can you imagine what it will be for a man or a woman to jump off that high?
Who did that? And where are they now?
And how do we fight them, how do we get rid of them, other than going after them?
Should we wait for them to come and kill us again?
That's why we need more action around the world, in Afghanistan and elsewhere,
to get them defeated
-- extremism, their allies, terrorists and the like. ...-
powerlineblog
Pakistan's president, Pervez Musharraf:
Al-Qaida linked to journalist murder
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) - The top al-Qaida operative who masterminded the Sept. 11 attacks
either killed or participated in the murder of American journalist Daniel Pearl,
Pakistan's president has alleged for the first time.
national newswatch
Yeah, you can't declassify something that shows Bush's war has had the opposite affect on world terrorism! That would, like, give the terrorists the advantage. It's not important that the War in Iraq is what gave them the advantage, but it is important that the words on paper have emboldened the enemy to kill thousands more Americans than they previously have in Iraq.
It's all broad brush perspective using general commentary having questionable meaning (as one would find in an intelligence report). Let's forget about how thrilled the leadership in Iran and Syria must be to have American forces now strategically entrenched next door in Iraq. Let's forget about how little almost everyone knew about Islamo-facism before 9-11 and how much more it is understood and discussed openly now. Let's ignore how much worse terrorism could have grown in the world if America stubbornly chose to act only in unison with other security council members (i.e. achieve nothing meaningful).
Maybe if everyone kept to themselves there'd be a glowing mushroom garden in Washington by now helped in part by TotalFinaElf oil-for-food contributions and enrichened Pakistani scientists. It's a huge mistake to think that the terror problem would have remained static as a mostly ME problem if we would've just not got involved. However, that seems to be the bill of goods MSM is trying so hard to sell with their never ending Bush Administration attacks.
It's easy to paint a harsh "hindsight 20-20" picture of the world. But there's still a war to fight and there's still victories to achieve that won't come easy. If we pack it up now those victories will never come and the war to protect Western values and culture will be immediately lost.
Think about how bad things looked in 1944 with 1 million casualties expected during an invasion of Japan or the tough last German push during the Battle of the Bulge. WWII wasn't ever an easy apparent victory. It required a steady supply of courage, faith and conviction to carry on with the needed sacrifices to achieve victory.
The problem with MSM that reports with perfect hindsight is they can conveniently ignore foresight. There have been many victories in the WOT but to recognize those victories requires using foresight...something that gets in the way of MSM telling an even more dramatic story.
Any bets on if the Allies would have won WWII with current MSM reporting? I think Canada would have been out by Dieppe and the Dutch would have starved.
Mertin,
Actually, I think the New York Times would have leaked the D-Day invasion plans...
I really don't know why people do not get the concept of "classified intelligence". I cannot think of a single instance where telling the enemy what you know would be a smart thing.
Thanks for putting it in a great perspective. Indeed, the Dutch WOULD have starved as they nearly did anyway...and Dieppe would have definitely been it for Canada in these times. SOMEBODY , somewhere should be arrested for leaking classified documents and the NYT right along with them.
I am sick and tired of the false , contrived , put up jobs against the Bush administration in a dire time of war. ( read Plame Affair) All the while REAL crimes are being foisted on a White House that should not have it's hands tied with domestic sabotoge. SOMEBODY at the CIA, NIS ( WHO wrote that anyway??) FBI, The Justice Dept..WHO??
Let's find THAT out and fire their asses and then prosecute them with at least the intensity they are trying to ruin Louis Libby!!
Good news sells less papers and advertising. In the CBC's case, good news supports an conservative ideology that is their antithesis.
I definitely agree that our tabloid MSM is party to deliberately misleading the public for their own agenda. Is their behavoir really treasoness or just plain idiocy? Some days one really has to wonder. But what kind of punishment fits the crime?
Here's a link to try, http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/idiocy/
I think "Tale 1 - banishment of the idiots" is a good start for what the tabloid MSM gossippers deserve for dousing us with their daily BS.
"somewhere should be arrested for leaking classified documents and the"
project merlin there snowbunny, project merlin!!!
the CIA leaked blueprints for a fission bomb to iran with a glaringly obvious planted flaw in hopes the flaw would be overlooked and the bomb constructed from it would fizzle and discourage the iranians.
bottom line is, the flaw was spotted quickly, corrected and now iran has the documents which have been proven hundreds of times ove the years, to build their precious nuke.
thanks to the dubya white house and CIA.
etc etc. read 'state of war' by James Risen.
so, who gets arrested over THAT leak ???????
t. schmuck esq.
I can hardly wait until the NYT breaks open your "project merlin" story and beats "World News" to the headline. Also, may I suggest that you check out the link in my last post above to help plan your next vacation. Tale 1 may give you an intelligent idea.
"Actually, I think the New York Times would have leaked the D-Day invasion plans..."
That's rather unlikely, because someone with the plans would have had to have been a Nazi sympathizer, and there would have been the desire at the Times for thousands of allied forces to die in a failed invasion. What you're seeing with leaked reports these days has to do with good people in a corrupt government, giving the public a glimpse at the utter Bull Shit they put up with on a daily basis.
Saskboy, I respectfully disagree - with today's leftist tabloids, D-Day would have been leaked by someone who thought it was their job to prevent further bloodshed from war (i.e. stop the invasion at all costs).
As for the "good people" and corrupt government you're talking about, if you think the U.S. government is corrupt I wonder what you think of the Calvert Calvary you live under (presuming you're actually a Sask resident). If the "good people" in government want to endanger lives by being self righteous loose lips maybe they should be prepared to spend time in the slammer for breaking their oath of allegiance and abandoning the duty they assumed when they decided to work in public service.
Saskboy, I respectfully disagree - with today's leftist tabloids, D-Day would have been leaked by someone who thought it was their job to prevent further bloodshed from war (i.e. stop the invasion at all costs).
As for the "good people" and corrupt government you're talking about, if you think the U.S. government is corrupt I wonder what you think of the Calvert Calvary you live under (presuming you're actually a Sask resident). If the "good people" in government want to endanger lives by being self righteous loose lips maybe they should be prepared to spend time in the slammer for breaking their oath of allegiance and abandoning the duty they assumed when they decided to work in public service.