Religion Of Peace

Fatah said he's reported the threats he's received since 2003 to Toronto police, who are investigating the allegations.

Fatah... you're complaining to the wrong people. TO police are corrupt commie stooges.
Call the OPP. Ooops. No luck there. They're too busy protecting local terrorists from the wrath of whitey.
Maybe contact your Conservative MP.
Oh... forgot... you don't have one!?
I guess yer screwed ..or maybe you should move --but good luck with the book anyways.

It baffles the mind how callers to talk-radio shows can still call America the evil empire and blame them for all the ills of the world. Many of them place the blame squarely on the U.S. for this latest mid-east war. Never mind that Hezbollah's sole reason for being is the destruction of the Jewish state. That doesn't register in their pea-brains. These liberals are the enablers of Hezbollah et al and all of that evil ideology, and if they don't grab brains pretty soon, there is huge trouble up ahead for all of us.

Really too bad for Mr. Fatah. Can't say I'm surprised that he was threatened, though. That's what they do best.

"Toronto police are corrupt commie stooges". ??? I would love to have you elaborate on that one a little bit more, please!

ON C>B>C>

My pardon. I mis-spoke. Meaning to say, in general reference to leadership and support: Stooges of corrupt commies.
No slight intended on the individual officers.

So the moderates have spoken out and their lives are threatned for doing so. Does such a "small minority of radicals" wield so much power as to keep the "moderate majority" in check, or is the small minority of radicals alot bigger/more influencial than the chattering classes like to tell us?

It is unfortunate that this is happening but hopefully it opens some eyes as to just what it is that we face. Many eyes however will remain willfully blind and many minds will endlessly ask the question "how did we get here?" while ignoring the thought "where do we go from here?"

Why would this surprise anyone with half a brain? I find it really sad that there are so many appeasers and just plain losers in this once proud Country. As I have stated here before the first fight this Country will have to maintain it's freedom will be within. How long will it take for those on the left to shake their Chamberlainic induced stupidity and realize that sooner or later you have to stand and fight. This so called tolerance the left preaches is a death sentence for us all. After 14 or so centuries of muslim intolerance you would think even the dumbest of the dumb would realize what is happening in the world today.

Really, who is the biggest threat to our Country and our Western way of life?? An intolerant muslim or the internal rot of the left?

Do you think Mr. Fatah will live long enough to write his book?

Wasn't Chamberlain a Conservative?

Chamberlain was, indeed, a member of the Conservative Party, (nowadays he'd likely be called a CINO), but his foreign policies/attitudes are scarily similar to those exhibited by today's Canadian Lib/left.

This is very unfortunate. Radical Islam knows that their ideals can only be beaten within the Islamic religion and Tarek Fatah was a strong voice. The message here is that you cannot negotiate with radical islam and anyone who thinks it is possible has their head in the sand.

I have said a number of times that there are only two reasons why members of the Muslim community wouldnt speak out against the radicals.

1) They agree with the radicals
2) They are being threatened

I gave Mr Fatah lots of credit post the plot of the 17 being revealed. He spoke stridently and forcefully against the virus within the community. Good for him and some others. It was good to see and I think it gave others within the community the courage to speak. Thus showing that many members of the community do not agree with the radicals statements.

Sadly, it seems that the croallery was true....yes people spoke out and the reasons why mor edidnt was becasue they were threatened.

I made my analogy to the KKK, the equivalent in "my community", to these radical islamicists and that the way they were "broken" (debate ensued about how broken, so lets say neutered and marginalized) was by people they were suipposed to be defending telling them they were wrong. In the case of the US it was a white protestant power structure in the 50's (from the north) breaking a white protestant terorist group.

Those who are not muslim oww it to Mr Fatah to congratulate him and others for their stance. There are others but clearly the power within that community is powerful. If the apologistas cannot see how dangerous this is then it may only take something worse.

Only the power of the state, through due process, and the power of community shame (meaning the community shaming them not shaming the community) can break this.

While I didnt agree with everything Mr Fatah and his organization said I am saddened he felt the need to do what he did. It is a wake up call and it should be heeded. The Muslim community is being threatened into submission and browbeaten into the "death cult".

These arent my speculations, Mr Fatah's statements and actions are proof and the warning bell. If you are a muslim and you disagree you need to speak up, numbers matter.

IF you are non-muslim then support and reinforcement are required for the moderate forces and solid backing and a stiff spine are required to defend our own "values" free speech. political change vs violent change, seperation of religon and state. This means no guilt and no apologies for criminal beahviour, it is not our fault that islamicists are wanting to blow things up, assisinate community leaders etc.

This is not a call for any change in our laws or values it is a call to stand up for the values and laws we expect of ourselves and the ones that built a peaceful prosperous society.

Mr Fatah, your words will be missed.

My congratulations to Mr. Fatah. Speaking out publically took enourmous courage. The fact that he did so is a good sign. Moderate Muslims are speaking up. I heard on 640 AM in Toronto on Saturday of a former Syrian Commando who was describing how the Mosques are far more radicallized than we realize.

We on the right will never convince the left. We have no credibility with them. Muslims themselves have far more power to convince Canada of the dangers we, on this site, see.

We need to support Mr Fath and others who want to speak out.

Here's my question to this group.

How do we help them feel safe enough to speak out?

JD

answer...start enforcing the laws of this country, and arrest all who threaten, charge, and convict of hate crimes/assault/whatever

"How do we help them feel safe enough to speak out?"

By helping to give them the courage and a forum where their voices will be heard by the correct people.

Sadly, there seems to be few courageous people at this blog. Most people are big on criticism, shouting down people with opposing views, sarcasm and labelling ie., 'trolls' and such.

A very good example occured earlier in this thread when some track star posted; "Toronto police are corrupt commie stooges" only to retract when they were challenged and their brain kicked in.

Mr. Fatah is a brave courageous person that has far too much to endure .

If tax-exempt property is used as a setting for counselling others to commit crimes against the state, then I don't see how it is to the benefit of society for that location to retain its tax-exempt status.

If ideology and a moral conviction are not enough to have a community expose and expel the radical element, then maybe their pocketbooks will motivate a response.

Other Muslims speak out against hezbollah.

There is also a war within Islam; Muslims killing Muslims.

Muslims in Canada with roots in Lebanon are not allowed to speak out against hezbollah.

Fatah and other Muslims must speak out again.

Stand with Israel.

Stand for freedom and democracy. ...-

Saudi Arabia Breaks Up Pro-Hizbullah Rally

(IsraelNN.com) Saudi police broke up a pro-Hizbullah rally Thursday in the eastern region, which is heavily populated by Hizbullah-backed Shi'ite Moslems. Saudi Arabia, as well as other countries, fears that Hizbullah will become too influential in the Middle East and threaten the stability of several monarchies.

It was the third protest in a week in which demonstrators paraded with Hizbullah flags and pictures of the terrorist organization's leader, Hassan Nasrallah . ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1677643/posts

Civilzed bunch of folks aren't they? Well, Ours would not be the first civilization desroyed by a bunch of barbarians. History books are full of them. We are after all in a fight for civilization and we are not doing well. Not because of our many sons and daughters fighting and dying for us, not because of poor leadership. Because of our media underminng the will of our people to defend ourselves.

Tarek Fatah was, and I hope remains, a moderate voice. His resignation shows, however, that Canada is not providing the environment for debate and dissent but is instead, setting up sects with singular voices. That's both multiculturalism and Liberalism.

Remember, the Liberal Party insists that the only valid Canadian is a Liberal; its public statements and election ads make that very clear. It is 'unCanadian' to dissent.

Then, multiculturalism directly enables people to set up isolate, self-defining, self-justifying communities, with rules, beliefs and behaviour, that are the opposite of the Canadian civic community. We do nothing about this; our leftist MSM, academics, and bureaucratic ideology, all work together to enable and empower these isolate groups. They are empowered; our Charter empowers their viewpoints and behaviour as in their own control, not within the larger civic control.

Therefore, we enable 'ideological development by force' - where the bullies and thugs take control of a community by threats and fear. The people are isolated from others; our educational system doesn't challenge their beliefs but accepts them; our judicial system doesn't challenge their beliefs; our political system doesn't challenge their beliefs. So, within the group, no-one is enabled by Canada, to dissent, to critique, to challenge the thugs and bullies who rule the group.

Mr. Fateh tried, but, the thugs win; they threaten him with death. Canada does nothing to assist its citizens to critique and dissent. Remember, it is unCanadian to critique and dissent. That's called 'intolerance'.

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The Canadian Islamic Congress:

Sept 2003
Canadian Islamic Congress Alerts Public, Community and Media Not to Confuse it with Newly Formed Group "canadian Muslim Congress"

"...CIC has recently learned that a similarly-named group headed by Mr. Tarek Fatah, called Muslim Canadian Congress (MCC), has been reported in the media and has attracted some media publicity..."

tinyurl.com/enpjc

June 30, 2006
Smearing Islam and Bashing Muslims, Who and why
Dr. Mohamed Elmasry

"...Fatah, who is well known in Canada for smearing Islam and bashing Muslims, shouted "It has got nothing to do with youth [alienation]. It is 90-year- old ugly men spouting hate against fellow Muslims who are driving this nonsense." Fatah and Wente are among a few who take every opportunity to badmouth Islam and Muslims in Canada..."

tinyurl.com/zc4fc

Submission indeed. Mr. Fatah is a coward of the first order.

Blogging is an undertaking of great courage. Thank you for putting it all on the line to get the truth out there, whatever the cost. We owe you a great debt.

Speaking of enabling democratic dissent, if I remember correctly, Elmasry is the thug, and I use the term with intent, who is suing the Western Standard for publishing the 'Danish cartoons'.
According to Elmasry you may not critique Islam. No-one is allowed to debate, dissent, discuss its axioms; they are protected by defining Islam as a 'religion'. This means that these axioms cannot mature, evolve, move into the modern world; they remain medieval.

Fateh is correct; the 'alleged terrorists' within Canada are not the result of ordinary Canadians. Elmasry is attempting to do the usual leftist 'blame the victim' - which is to blame Canadians as the 'root cause' for terrorism. This is the basic socialist left tactic; blame the victim. Blame the west, blame the US, blame anyone but the perpetrator.

This Switch-And-Blame tactic is astute. And malicious. And fallacious. And corrupt.

The tactic is, that when, for example, the Muslim group is charged with terrorist plots, you Switch causality from those individuals, to blame the proposed victims of those attacks.

Naturally, Canadians will feel disturbed by hearing about these terrorist plots against them. So, you 'lift' that feeling of apprehension and anger - which emerges when you hear about proposed attacks against you. AND YOU THEN move that anger and apprehension BACK, BACK in time... and assert that these Muslims, who are charged, are behaving as terrorists, because they are upset by your 'apprehension and anger' at them.

Get it? That's the Switch-and-Blame tactic. It works, because you DO feel apprehensive and angry. What is ignored, is that you didn't feel that way BEFORE these Muslims were charged with terrorism. This is a common tactic - and we all fall for it.

Fateh denied this tactic. He said the root cause of these Canadian Muslim terrorists, was not that these individuals felt isolated and rejected by Canadians (who are apprehensive and angry)...but that they were indoctrinated by 'angry old Muslim men'.

Fateh is telling the truth; he is saying the root cause of Islamic fascism is within Islam.

And, we have to support him. He's telling the truth.

"Religion", or death-force of muderous, nazi, goathumping, cave dwellers,... now that we are all agreed, can we now drop the bombs stored on the top shelf.
No more Canadians need die over in "their" sandy little shitholes because we decided to fight with one arm tied behind our back

Faster/Harder Israel !

Everytime there's deafening silence from the Canadian muslim community over outrageous comments or actions from individuals within their community I know now with certainty that it's a silence of fear imposed by ignorant hate filled extremist bullies.

Tarek Fatah is a hero of the first order in Canada's war against extremist terror. Without individuals like him to bring out an insider's truth to other Canadians, we don't have a hope to stem the infection of hate that's growing within our borders. More moderates are needed to speakup! A voice gets stronger when joined by others of like minds and hearts. There's only one way to deal effectively with bullies and that's not to back down. But people have to wonder, if the police can't even deal with the Calendonia bullies what hope do moderate muslims have of Canadian authorities helping them face extremist muslim bullies?

Imagine, muslims who actually want to be Canadians? Thank you, Mr. Fatah for your courage.

What is interesting is Fatah is a "leftist"....check his wikpedia bio....but he is a democrat, buys into modernity and is largely buys into liberal ideals (small l)

El MAsry would be a "conservative"

Islam: The religion of pieces. Amen, Moh and Al.

Go for it, bros & sisses. Smash Islam into a billion plus pieces. ...-

Al Qaeda Web Site Calls for Undermining Its Islamic Rival Hezbollah in Lebanon

public.cq.com ^ | Aug. 2, 2006 – 7:30 p.m. | By Jeff Stein, CQ Staff
An al Qaeda Web site is urging its followers to create “sleeper cells” in Lebanon to undermine Hezbollah, its Islamic rival whose popularity has been surging with the resilience of its fighters facing superior Israeli forces in the southern part of the country. Some experts think the Web site might be a trick of Western or Saudi intelligence, who would benefit from a deepening rift between al Qaeda and Hezbollah. Al Qaeda is a violent gang of Sunni Muslims who are centered in Saudi Arabia. Osama bin Laden accuses the Saudi royal family of despoiling the faith through their alliance...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1677731/posts

stephen - because someone is in favour of democracy, doesn't mean that they are a 'leftist'!!! Because someone is in favour of modernity doesn't mean they are a leftist! Are you seriously asserting that people who support the CPC or Republican parties are against democracy, and are against modernity!

And Elmasry isn't a conservative, as in the CPC or Republican Party. He's fundamentalist.

You are confusing semantic terminology. Small-l liberalism is basic conservativism, an ideology that is at the foundation of democracy and modernity.

Where the Canadian left gets all caught up is that they think someone like El MAsry is their friend, multiculturalism, anti gloablization, the quasi neo colinialist attitude of todays left of lets protect the "native" rather than let the "native" have the tools and decide their fate (sorry tortured sentence)

Anyway, Fatah left the NDP because it was playiong footsie with religon (islam) and courting the islamacists. As much as there is a war within Islam there is a war within the West. We cannot even agree on our ideals anymore, many of these ideas are being turned against themselves....Free trade and property rights were once cornerstones of enlightenment and progress and now they are shiboleths.

As someone else said the McWorld opponents see the jihadists only as the "most committed" members of the anti globalization struggle. How wrong they are.

Anti gloablization they are, but anti just about everything else the McWorld opponents are. Anti drug, anti gay, anti womens rights, anti free trade, anti freedom of conscience anti free speech, association etc

Once again McWorld opponents are consorting with Fascists....ironic isnt it.

ET,

Of course not.

Checkout Fatah's bio on wiki....

By north american poltical lingo he is a leftist...as much as you may disagree with someone like Jack Layton you and he share largely similar political values of democracy etc etc....

Fatah is part of that mainstream, which we all appreciate, I was saying though do not mistake Fatah for a Canadian Conservative....thats all.

All other things being equal Fatah is more likely to vote Liberal (left liberal) or NDP.

But once again he is a secularist, and a believer in Western style democracy which means accomodating the traditional left right variants.

I am assuming you arent saying that only conservatives are democrats. :->

"...."Yay! Exclamation mark!'' shouted Mubin Shaikh, who helped provide intelligence to the Canadian Security Intelligence Service that helped lead to the June arrest of 17 Muslims charged with plotting to strike targets in southern Ontario. "Tarek Fatah is not and never was representative of Islam and Muslims."....

...He said he does not expect their opposition to subside now that Fatah has resigned from the MCC. "I will keep coming after him,'' Shaikh said. "He is a great... pretender of Islam."..."

tinyurl.com/zu5mz

The hard left IS anti-democracy hence the need for the Euston Manifesto. Google it, read about it, the hard left hates it. It's a manifesto prepared by decent sane lefties desperately trying to reverse the madness and brutal ignorance of the neocommie hard left hordes.

the principles:

1) For democracy.
2) No apology for tyranny.
3) Human rights for all.
4) Equality.
5) Development for freedom.
6) Opposing anti-Americanism.
7) For a two-state solution.
8) Against racism.
9) United against terror.
10) A new internationalism.
11) A critical openness.
12) Historical truth.
13) Freedom of ideas.
14) Open source.
15) A precious heritage.

is he the dude on the religious channel with the really big grey beard?

"is he the dude on the religious channel"

No, he's the failed NDP candidate/gay marriage extremist who left the NDP because it was too religious:

In 1987, he emigrated to Canada and settled in Toronto. He became involved in the Ontario New Democratic Party and worked on the staff of Premier Bob Rae. Fatah was an NDP candidate in the 1995 provincial election but was unsuccessful. In July 2006, he left the NDP to support Bob Rae's candidacy for the Liberal Party of Canada's leadership. In an opinion piece published in Toronto's Now Magazine, Fatah wrote that he decided to leave the NDP because of the establishment of a "faith caucus" which he believes will open the way for religious fundamentalists to enter the party.
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In 2003, Fatah engaged in a high-profile break with (insufferable statist lipstick lesbian - Bob) Irshad Manji in the pages of the Globe and Mail in which he repudiated the thanks she gave him in the acknowldgement section of her book The Trouble with Islam. Fatah wrote of Manji's book that it "is not addressed to Muslims; it is aimed at making Muslim-haters feel secure in their thinking."
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In this capacity, he has spoken out against the introduction of Sharia law as an option for Muslims in civil law in Ontario, has promoted separation of religion and state, social liberalism in the Muslim community, and endorsed same-sex marriage.
...
Wahida Valiante, vice-chair and national vice-president of the Canadian Islamic Congress told the Globe and Mail that "Tarek Fatah's views are diametrically opposed to most Muslims. There is a tremendous amount of discussion in the community. His point of view contradicts the fundamentals of Islam."

His daughter, Natasha Fatah, is a producer of the CBC Radio program As It Happens.

speaking of keeping the peace, OT: it seems ms gwen bonifarce soon to be ex opp commish, is in the news in Ireland visa vie stories flooding out of the CWC 'caledoniawakeupcall' web site. which I found out about courtesy this blog tqvm Kate.

now, who was it the ummm, 'asshole' there mr bruce?

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZDBhMzg5Mzk4NjQ5MjM5OTJhZjRjMWQ4OWMzNDhmMzk=

Great article above from the NRO about today's Islamofascism in comparison to the peaceniks (Chamberlin et al) of the 1930's

Best article I have read in some time. Check it out.

stephen - no, the fact that I disagree with Jack Layton does not mean that he and I share political values. My disagreement means that we DON'T share them. His version of democracy and my version of democracy are not the same.

I'm a secularist - as an atheist - and I certainly support the separation of church and state. And I believe in Western style democracy; indeed, I'm unaware of any other style of democracy in our modern world. And, that's not Liberal or NDP. I'm a Conservative.

I suggest that you are trapped within semantics. Political designations don't have only one meaning.

ET, good points as usual. Canadians, in general, believe in basic freedoms and non-prejudices such as race and religion. We want to be accepting of all religions, but Islam (radical and some moderate) are not tolerant of values that they disagree with (bring out the death threats). I also feel that most Canadians have a hard time accepting this imbalance as it's politically incorrect to look at a religion and say, "That's wrong and should not be allowed in our society!" Most of us don't realize we're in a war of idealogy and our foundations for a good, tolerant society are our Achilles heel - and they know it.

ET,

This is a small point that is out of proportion now. There is a lot of love for Fatah, deserved in my opinion, on what is generally a conservative board. My point is that he is not a conservative, to the extent that even matters.

All i was pointing out was that fact and potential irony or contradiction (morissette irony). I believe he is a courageous man. And as much love and respect as he is getting here I suspect on the rabble board, in other circumstances a more natural political home for him, he is likely being lashed and criticized.

On the last point, there is a difference between an opponent who will accept the result of the ballot box or rules, Layton, and one who wont. That IS a fundamental political value. I disagree with him as I did with broadbent but I never questioned either of two's willingness to accept a politcal result that was within Canada's rules.

The danger comes from those, left and right, who dont buy into those rules. Fatah did, El Masry I doubt, you correctly call him a thug. When your laws come from God then you focus solely on result and not process, Heaven is not a democracy at least not the way the religous texts describe it.

That is the one, and only one polticial value I believe you and Layton share, the acceptance of a free and fair election. That's all my friend.

Peace, please we really dont disagree on much here and in fact agree on most things.

VDH: The Brink of Madness (LGF)

Victor Davis Hanson’s latest column is exceptional, a look at the plague of moral equivalence infecting Western society: The Brink of Madness.

It is now a cliché to rant about the spread of postmodernism, cultural relativism, utopian pacifism, and moral equivalence among the affluent and leisured societies of the West. But we are seeing the insidious wages of such pernicious theories as they filter down from our media, universities, and government — and never more so than in the general public’s nonchalance since Hezbollah attacked Israel.

These past few days the inability of millions of Westerners, both here and in Europe, to condemn fascist terrorists who start wars, spread racial hatred, and despise Western democracies is the real story, not the “quarter-ton” Israeli bombs that inadvertently hit civilians in Lebanon who live among rocket launchers that send missiles into Israeli cities and suburbs.

Yes, perhaps Israel should have hit more quickly, harder, and on the ground; yes, it has run an inept public relations campaign; yes, to these criticisms and more. But what is lost sight of is the central moral issue of our times: a humane democracy mired in an asymmetrical war is trying to protect itself against terrorists from the 7th century, while under the scrutiny of a corrupt world that needs oil, is largely anti-Semitic and deathly afraid of Islamic terrorists, and finds psychic enjoyment in seeing successful Western societies under duress.

In short, if we wish to learn what was going on in Europe in 1938, just look around. ...-
http://victorhanson.com/articles/hanson080406.html

My mercenary view of the Middle east situation.

Send both the Shiite and Sunni all the guns and ammunition they need, if one side seems to be winning send the other more. That should solve any equality problems with a Made in Canadian equalization program. When they ask for help send over our best in the peace and anti war movement to discuss rational and logical solutions that would please both sides and end centuries of conflict. I just can’t understand why this keeps going on and on when the solution is so simple.

Cowardice knows no boundaries: you find it on the left and on the right, and it usually has to do with ignoring reality because life is too comfortable. The thought of having to sacrifice anything or do "the hard thing," which may be to speak out publicly against wrongdoing or to even fight against tyranny (and possibly die doing so), in order to preserve our hard-won democratic freedoms, isn't palatable, so we avert our eyes from what's happening and pretend that everything is going to be OK. To those who say, "No, it's not OK; we need to DO something," the appeasers say, "You're an alarmist, an extremist."

Victor Davis Hanson has this to say, and a whole lot more, about the West's most recent duplicity in an increasingly insane world:

"Our present generation...is on the brink of moral insanity. That has never been more evident than in the last three weeks, as the West has proven utterly unable to distinguish between an attacked democracy that seeks to strike back at terrorist combatants, and terrorist aggressors who seek to kill civilians."

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZDBhMzg5Mzk4NjQ5MjM5OTJhZjRjMWQ4OWMzNDhmMzk=

He's been receiving death threats for the past three years and police are still investigating??? (Perhaps the word should be ... procrastinating?)

Western Canadian: The great thing about a Sunni/Shiite war is that one doesn't care who wins............as long as there are LOTS of casualties on both sides.

The ignorance of so many Canadians about what's really going on is a scandal. Democracy--and Canada--is in big trouble when the voters are willfully ignorant, as I believe most Canadians are: "Our lives--'entertaining ourselves to death' (Neil Postman, I believe)--are just too pleasant to have to face the gathering storm. Who wants mayhem and death when we can have beer, wine, baseball, Harveys, reality TV, and not have to think, etc.?" (False dichotomy when mayhem and death are on the move--in our direction--anyway.)

In themselves, there's nothing wrong with the above--except for the last two! But WHEN THAT'S ALL THERE IS, something's very wrong. Think of Aesop's fiddling grasshopper: He ended up as dead as we're going to be, if we don't face the music. Myth: Everyone is nice. Don't rock any boats. (ET's right on the money here: Canadians are "tolerant" to the point of being suicidal idiots.) Fact: Some people are NOT nice. We need to figure out just who they are and not be nice to them: unCanadian, maybe, but that's what the grownups have to do. That, or live in dhimmitude, or die. Now THAT'S not very Canadian either!

This from David Warren today:

I see the communications director of Canada's leading moderate Muslim organization is quitting because he can't handle the death threats &
beatings any more -- from his fellow Muzzies, for being so moderate:

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/08/03/fateh-resign.html

Meanwhile, [a reader] forwards a six-minute clip of CNN interview with Brigitte Gabriel, Christian from South Lebanon now living in the States. In case you can't call up the video link, Hezbollah uprooted her Christian village in south Lebanon; she has written a book, & her message is Thank You Israel. She also suggests Shia civilians & Hezbollah are indistinguishable, that in the last 25 years through multiple wives, &c, they've bred a complete Shia "terror culture" (like the Sunni Palestinian one), & that the rest of the Lebanese know this, & were they not terrorized they'd be openly cheering for the [Jews]. She implies they would like the Israelis to exterminate the lot of them, with American help if possible:

http://www.video.exposetheleft.net/video/brigittegabriel.wmv

GOTTA SEE THIS-War4Freedom 8/5/06-Bekaa,Bayada,Wadi al-Akhdar,Saleem,Hermel, Baalbek,Ouzai
NASA, various TV, Yahoo, AP,AFP, Reuters, and the usual suspects | 8/5/06 | The Armies of Good against the Axis of Evil

GOTTA SEE THIS - War for Enduring Freedom 8/5/06 - Bekaa Valley, Tyre, Bayada,Tyre,Wadi al-Akhdar,
Nabatieh,Saleem, Ayt al-Fakhar, Akkar, Lebanon,
Hermel, Baalbek, Hizb'allahland, Nasrallah, Tel Aviv,
Beirut, Maameltain bridge, Al-Assy bridge,bridge of Halat, bridge of Madfounat, Ouzai,Bourj Shimali, Kila,Aitrun ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1677849/posts

The police do have their problems. Firstly, they are in a "brotherhood" which is represented by unions. All unions are socialist and fight for their members. Unfortunatly, I believe that all government controlled paramilitary forces should have their allegiance to their elected leaders and the people. No other political pressures than that should ever be brought to bear.
The heads of our police departments have shown themselves to be less than honest when doing their jobs.
Scott Brison, as a member of the Liberal caucus, who lets a banking buddy in on a pre-budget secret, with an actual e-mail for evidence, seems to be in the same boat as Cretien at Shawinnigan. Protected from living under the same laws as the rest of us.

The threat to the West posed by islamofascism has made some pretty strange bedfellows in politics these days.

for example, I don't think that the Trotskyite Christopher Hitchens would agree with me on just about any issue, but his writings would indicate we agree on this one big issue.

Same thing for the admiration shown for Mr. Fateh on this discussion.

oh, and lots of people claim the word liberal today- conservatives claim the classical version, where progressives claim the (mutant) modern version. It's at a point where it just doesn't have meaning anymore.

The National Post had about 1/4 of a column somewhere in the mid pages regarding Fatah today.

The Calgary Herald had absolutely nothing about Fatah. In fact there was a longer column about a young bear that died while being re-located than was the column about Fatah in the Post.

Yes - he and his organization probably fit better under the Liberals in the past - the Liberals were in power (everbody likes a winner) and the Liberals have always been the big brother of all close knit lobby groups - so what is new.

Nevertheless he was outspoken in terms of the moderate thinking Muslims. His departure is likely to mute the voices of the moderates even further than is already the case. The voices of the Muslims in the future are likely to be far more fundamentalist. If they hold rallies - then we just have to out-rally them.

The fact that he/his group supported the Gay/L/B community suggests that he and his group probably never would have found even a resting place in voting as a conservative, nevermind support a Conservative majority. A minority they can probably live with, but that doesn't do the rest of us much good.

Mundji (sp) is addressing the Out Games in Montreal and has the same position so it is unlikely her following will support the Conservatives when it comes to a vote either. I believe a whole lot of the silent majority are secular and at best agnostic if not athiest. The question becomes -even if they choose to show up to vote - where will there vote go. How does one not accept the Martina Navratalovas/the Mark Tewksburys of the world?

I am a secular (ex-united church) agnostic (not athiest) and I am o.k. with the small l liberal position as regards where this is/has gone. This does not make me a L Liberal. For those who disagree that it is all about a human rights issue - there will simply be a line in the sand. It is simply not acceptable to a large majority of Conservatives, and I'm afraid this is likely to cost the formation of a Conservative majority at the next election.

There are simply to many people in Quebec and Ontario who,when combined with all of the fundamentalist lobby groups, (including the francophones) will support them for their own reasons, (not just necessarily on this point) they are simply going to outnumber us collectively and will unite under the Liberal banner as their best hope for whatever reason.

This sounds quite insane but the Liberals are hopelessly leaderless and at their lowest point ever - yet one cannot ignore the polls that are showing their strength of support.

I can only hope that the future does not bear this out.

This is funnier than Bringing Up Tommy Douglas on the other fread;

George Bush won't answer the 'phone.

Imad is Imad is Imad, Imam. ...-

Syria Wants to Talk, But Bush Won't Answer the Phone
la times ^ | 8/4/06 | Imad Moustapha, IMAD MOUSTAPHA is the Syrian ambassador to the United States.

LATE LAST MONTH, a number of congressmen called me and asked for an urgent, unscheduled meeting. There, at the Rayburn House Office Building, we spent a couple of hours discussing in-depth the crisis in the Middle East. The paramount concern of these legislators was not the typical Capitol Hill rhetoric (offering unconditional support for Israel, or delivering the routine condemnation and demonization of Syria). Instead, they simply wanted to know what they could do to stop the ongoing massacre in Lebanon.

Their frustration and exasperation about the total nonchalance of the U.S. administration was overwhelming. The very first question they had for me was to clarify the confusion about whether the White House is talking to Syria or not. Although the media have reported that no contacts have been made between the two countries over the last three weeks, administration officials have sent vague signals that this might be happening through back channels.

But no communication whatsoever has taken place. U.S. policy remains to ignore the Syrian government. And it remains fundamentally wrong.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1677981/posts

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on
>Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in
>a bid to head off potential terror attacks.
>
> A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to
>Australia at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his
>ministers made it clear that extremist's would face a crackdown.
>
> Treasurer Peter Costello , seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted
>that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did
>not accept that Australia was a secular state and its laws were made by
>parliament.
>
> "If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia
>law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you," he said on
>national television.
>
> "I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws
>governing people in Australia, one the Australian law and another the
>Islamic law, that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law,
>independent courts, democracy and would prefer Sharia law and have the
>opportunity to go to another country which practices it, perhaps, then,
>that's a better option," Costello said.
>
> Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he
>said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the
>other country.
> Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslim's
>who did not want to accept local values should "clear off."
>
> "Basically, people who don't want to be Australians and don't want to
>live by Australian values and understand them, well, then, they can
>basically clear off," he said. Separately, Howard angered some Australian
>Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the
>nation's mosques.
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> AMERICA and Canada ..... ARE YOU LISTENING?
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> After hearing that the State of South Australia changed its opinion
>and let a Muslim woman have her picture on her driver's license with her
>face covered, prompted this editorial written by an Australian and
>published in an Australian newspaper.
>
>
> Quote:
>
> IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT.
> Take It Or Leave It
> I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some
>individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have
>experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.
>
> However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the
>"politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that
>our patriotism was offending others.. I am not against immigration, nor do
>I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to
>Australia .
> However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to
>our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.
>
> This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has served only
>to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Australians, we
>have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own
>lifestyle.
>
> This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles,
>trials and victories by millions of men and wom en who have sought freedom.
>We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese,
>Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of
>our society, learn the language!
>
> Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian,
>right-wing, political push but a fact because Christian men and women, on
>Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented.
>It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If
>God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as
>your new home, because God is part of our culture.
>
> We will accept your beliefs and we will not question why. All we ask
>is that you accept ours and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.
>
> If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A Fair Go," then
>you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet.
>
> We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we
>really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means,
>keep your culture but do not force it on others.
>
> This is OUR country, OUR land and OUR lifestyle, and we will allow you
>every opportunity to enjoy all this.
>
> But once you are done complaining, whining and griping about Our Flag,
>Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage
>you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, "THE RIGHT TO
>LEAVE " If you aren't happy here, then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come
>here. You asked to be here. So, accept the country that accepted YOU!
>
> The United States of America could learn something from this!
> Pretty easy, really, when you think about it. I figure if we all keep
>passing this on to our friends (and enemies), it will sooner or later get
>back to the complainers. Let's all try, please. Thank you!
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Amen to that. Thanks, Canadian.