Julie Burchill on "bleeding heart ignoramuses"

Awesome piece. It speaks to the self percieved intellectual superiority of those who adhere to the philosophy of the church of reason.

Leftist academic institutions breed and foster this insidious racist frame of mind and somehow manage to convince themselves of their rightousness.

When will they realize where the rubber meets the road?

I suppose I should just sit back and watch for the collective deer in the headlights look as their assholes are rudely introduced to their lips.

Unfortunately me and mine travel the same road and I'm not ready to quit.

Syncro

The utopians that use “civilians vs. Israelis” are always cheering for the underdog, because being self-loathing utopians they relate more easily to losers than success. It’s not hard to tell that the utopians are cheering for – the Hez versus Israel.

The utopians are correct; it’s not a fair fight. It’s not proportional because we intend to win. We are winning. I can’t believe I read this over at David Warren’s site …

http://www.davidwarrenonline.com/

… (an excerpt) The good news, from examples like these, is that fewer and fewer people in the West are allowing emotional trash to sap their morale.

And even some of our more “liberal” journalists have been taken aback. We have had such startling performances as that of Dan Rather, the retired CBS anchor, on Fox TV. He admitted that the media are reporting Lebanon without factual and historical background, that what “doesn't get reported is the bigger picture”.
“It's a problem that those of us in journalism have been reluctant to address. I do not exclude myself from this criticism. Reluctant to address that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization, committed to the destruction of Israel. It isn't committed to trying to just gain territory. It's committed to its destruction.”

phyllis chesler has a very good article on 'the new anti-semitism', where she focuses on the alliance of the left with terrorism and anti-semitism.

Go to the usual url setup and then, dot phyllis-chesler dot com slash articles slash leftist-anti-semitism dot htm

I agree with Chesler that much of this left alignment with the terrorists fits into their structural alignment with anti-capitalism, which they see as American, and anti-globalism, which they also see as American. Their socialist and communist utopian agenda, with its insistence on making people focus on a non-existent mythic purity based in the future - is irrational. Note also that feminists, who are all passionate about gender equality say nothing, not a word, about the open gender inequalities of the Islamic world.

And there's a nice article by Micheal Behe in Beirut, from Metula News Agency, noting how Hezbollah has essentially set up a state within a state in Lebanon, with its own ministers, institutions, and controlling its own army, with missiles shipped in from Syria and Iran. All uncontrolled by Lebanon's govt, which did nothing to control this sub-state.

I hear now that Hezbollah is claiming a 'right to resist' Israel. So, criminals are claiming rights to resist the law. Someone who murders, is claiming not only the right to murder but also the right to resist anyone stopping them. And the Left supports these people!

The utopians that use “civilians vs. Israelis” are always cheering for the underdog, because being self-loathing utopians they relate more easily to losers than success. It’s not hard to tell that the utopians are cheering for – the Hez versus Israel.

The utopians are correct; it’s not a fair fight. It’s not proportional because we intend to win. We are winning. I can’t believe I read this over at David Warren’s site … davidwarrenonline dot com

… (an excerpt) The good news, from examples like these, is that fewer and fewer people in the West are allowing emotional trash to sap their morale.

And even some of our more “liberal” journalists have been taken aback. We have had such startling performances as that of Dan Rather, the retired CBS anchor, on Fox TV. He admitted that the media are reporting Lebanon without factual and historical background, that what “doesn't get reported is the bigger picture”.
“It's a problem that those of us in journalism have been reluctant to address. I do not exclude myself from this criticism. Reluctant to address that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization, committed to the destruction of Israel. It isn't committed to trying to just gain territory. It's committed to its destruction.”

nomdenet, you GOT IT RIGHT. In my opinion, a huge factor in this terrorist bullshit is jealousy. They hate our life style, they hate what we have, they hate our "non-culture" type of society, they hate our common sence, they hate, hate. They hate because they are jealous. Muslims in Austrailia raped girls on the beach because they hated the power beautiful women had over them. Their objective is to infiltrate our countries and destroy our way of life. We are an easy target because of our recent (last 40 years) extreem political correctness.

HOW SIMILIAR is their (ISLAMIC FASCIST, MUSLIM, whatever) methods and jealousy to that of Trudeau like policies imposed on Canadians for the last 40 years ?? Lax imigration for groups like Somolian terrorists, tough on stable Ausies, UKers, ect. Infiltrate us. The criminals have more "rights" than the victims. The poor have a right to be jealous of the haves, level the playing field through crime. Breake down our society. Multiculturalism used to impose other cultures on Canadians and destroy Canada's culture. Caledonia shows the extent political correctness runs our country. Reward failure and tax sucess. Quebec was way behind the ROC 40 years ago, for whatever reason. Jealousy, have to level this. Not by doing better, but by infiltrating the civil service. The MSM goes along with it because chaos and bad news sells more papers. Smooth running countries are no fun for them.

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ET, you're right. And criminals are also resisting the law in Canada. They think they have a right, Charter, to do it. Why do the media always portray the criminals in a poor-me-light, society-made-me-do-it. The terrorist agenda is to break down our civilization/way of life. Is the Left joining them ? Why were they marching in the pro H-bolah parade in Montreal. These are MPs we are talking about.

BHoax - I think that the MSM are primarily left; this means that they focus on groups, the identities and rights of groups over individuals, and they focus on a fictional rather than factual reality.

They assume that a Pure State is possible, where everyone is alike, is homogeneous, where there are no variations of good, where evil, ill-will, malice, jealousy don't exist, where 'stupidity' is merely a term and not a fact. This Socioworld is pure fiction, as is the Islamic agenda of world domination. Both peoples, however, insist on its values, its legitimacy, its inevitability and insist that you accept this Socioworld as The End of History. A perfect world.

These people, ignorant as they are of the biological necessity for non-homogeneity, for differences, for variation, think that the Best World is the Homogeneous Pure World. So, they reject any factor that can introduce change. They reject the Iraq War because it had the agenda of introducing change. They prefer the no-change stability of Hussein the Dictator, for that meant 'everyone behaved'. They prefer the no-change stability of the Taliban rather than the burgeoning democracies in Afghanistan and Iraq.

They reject individuals - for individuals are the source of new ideas and change. They reject reason for reason enables new ideas; they insist that we all live best within only emotion - for emotion bonds people together in states of high excitation - like boiling water. But, emotion disables the capacity for reason.

This means that the left also rejects science, technology and innovative ideas; they hide this rejection under their defining science as 'all about corporate greed' - ignoring that science research requires a LOT of money for the equipment and researchers.

The left are completely hypocritical; they themselves live off the benefits of individual questions, the freedoms acquired by the focus on the rights of the individual, the technologies developed by individual reasoning.

They ignore the harm done by group pressures - the gender inequalities in the Islamic societies, the harm done by multiculturalism which defines people by their ethnic/cultural behaviour and totally ignores their intellect. They ignore the realities of Islamic fascism expressed in terrorism. They ignore the causes of Islamic fascism - namely the repressive tribal gov'ts of the Middle East. Indeed, they prefer these repressive dictatorships for they keep the people 'quiet' - and the left considers that a quiet people is superior to a questioning people.

The left's extreme hatred of individualism, indeed, their fear of the individual mind and questions, means that they insist in imprisoning everyone within a group. That's their idea of a Good Society. Confinement within the pressures of a group.

This is an AP release, in the Toronto Star:

"Prominent British Muslims, including three members of Parliament, said in an open letter today that "current British government policy risks putting civilians at increased risk both in the U.K. and abroad.''

The letter, printed in several British papers, said Britain's intervention in Iraq and the failure to secure an immediate cease-fire between Israel and Hezbollah militants in Lebanon were providing "ammunition to extremists who threaten us all.''

"The debacle of Iraq and now the failure to do more to secure an immediate end to the attacks on civilians in the Middle East not only increases the risk to ordinary people in that region, it is also ammunition to extremists who threaten us all," said the letter, which was signed by three of four Muslim members of Parliament and 38 Muslim groups, including the influential Muslim Council of Britain."

Note what they say: the cause of Islamic fascist terrorism is --British foreign policy. Not the Islamic ideology of world domination of Islam. Not a word about this agenda of world domination.

Note that they refer to the current Lebanon war, ignoring that the present plot to blow up ten airliners was hatched months before this war.

Note also that they reject Iraqi democracy; that they don't say a word about the fact that the insurgents in Iraq are Muslims against Muslims, tribe against tribe - and have nothing to do with the West or with British foreign policy.

Note that they ignore the repressive tribal governments in the ME, which have externalized the anger of local Muslims against their total lack of power in their own countries - and externalized this anger against a Diversionary Cause - the West. Not a word about the root cause of Islamic fascism - ME tribalism.

Not a word about the hate preachings of their own imams. Utter silence about this.

No- the cause, the only cause of Islamic terrorism - is British foreign policy.

But wait -a lot of us might not like the foreign policies of other gov'ts, or even of our own gov'ts. Is our response to plot to blow up ten planes of uninvolved and diverse civilians? Do these esteemed representatives of the Muslim world not, for one second, see the difference in behaviour between most non-Muslims and Muslims? Why is it that it is young Muslim men, who, apparently disagreeing with foreign policy, decide that the Best Solution is to blow up ten planes of civilians? How would that help?

But, these estemmed Muslim leaders have nothing to say about the mandate of religious imperialism in the Koran, the continuous hate preachings of the imams against all non-Muslims, the vicious and repressive tribal regimes of the ME. Not a word.

Un-reformed Islam is looking more and more like a death cult. I still think there are Moderate Muslims because I know some. Salim Mansur, a brilliant and courageous Muslim, has another good column in today’s Toronto Sun. He’s referring to himself as a stranger to Islam in the ME. Still a confusing way to put it. We need a new word for Moderate.

There seems to be no question that in our modern world, those that fail to help themselves and defend themselves are "victims" and deserve our sympathy and support, and those that strive to improve their condition are viewed as the enemy. In Canada this is exemplified by our "Universal Health Care System.
Unfortunately,the reality is that in much of the more primitive parts of the world, this attitude is viewed as weakness, and an invitation to domination. When one adds to this the fact that the groups that view compassion as weakness' and glorify death, are also the same people that have strong religious beliefs, we have the ingredients of an incredibly scary struggle, and one that doesn't look that good for the west.

nomdenet - there may be moderate Muslims, but they are few, and are threatened by 'regular' Muslims. Salim Mansur is not welcomed by the Muslim community - and he is also not welcomed by the left, for he rejects Islamic terrorism and supports the Iraq War.

The Islamic community refuses to recognize the faults in their own unreformed religion and the unreformed ME - that are the root causes of Islamic fascism. Instead, they set up false reasons, red herrings, such as 'Western policy in the ME' - ignoring that other religions and peoples might not like 'Western policy in the ME' - but those same peoples don't go around blowing up planes, trains, cars, restaurants, hotels.

As has been said, not all Muslims are terrorists, but 99.999999% of modern global terrorists are Muslim. And, they carry out their murders in the name of their religion.

Do 'moderate Muslims' stand up and reject these actions? No.
Instead, as I pointed out in the AP article, the British Islamic leaders are claiming that it is British foreign policy that is the 'root cause' of Islamic terrorism.
Again- why is it that no other group, who dislikes a country's foreign policy, expresses this dislike by blowing up civilians? Well?

Therefore, the root cause is not the foreign policy, it rests within the religion, or the group.

And then - you find out that the imams are preaching hatred of the West and are preaching Islamic world domination. And you realize also, that ME tribalism, with its repression of its own citizens, is the 'root cause'.

In my family my mother, brother and sister all are NDP socialists. They can talk for hours about how terrible it is that Stephen Harper "is supporting the Israeli's terror on the Lebanese". When presented with any fact that shows that Hezbollah is actually the real aggressor, they very quickly shout "I/we don't want to talk politics! All I/we know is that innocent Lebanese civilians are being killed!"

On other occasions they go so far as to state that "since Stephen Harper has supported the Israeli's terrorism, have you noticed that more Canadians are being targeted in Afghanistan?"

The truth of the matter is that I have a family full of anti-Semite socialists, and that is very disturbing.

ET
all your posts here have been right on.

I know the feelin', Trent. Throw in some of my friends (it IS Sk., after all... tough to miss 'em) and I feel pretty damn lonely some days.
Oh, yeah, don't you just love it when, say, a news report on TV starts off with "Israel has ramped up...", or some such, and then, if there's at least 2 of 'them' in the room with you (and nobody else with your political views), one will turn to the other(s) and say "Damn those Israeli's", or, "That bloody Harper supports THEM?!", or... You just KNOW the comment was thrown out there for YOUR PERSONAL COMSUMPTION.
They know nothing.

Trent

In my family my brothers, sistersinlaws, cousins, other inlaws are all life long NDPers or Liberals. They have said to me that electing Stephen Harper is the same as the Palistinian Arabs electing Hamas.

At family gatherings this summer they called my husband and I rascists and Hitler for questioning whether Canadian tax dollars should be spent on bringing Lebanese Canadians-of-convenience to Canada.

They think Israel is the cause of all the problems in the Middle East and when you present them with facts, they quickly shout "I don't want to talk politics, I know what I feel!"

The truth of the matter is that I have a family full of Jewish anti-Jews socialists, and that is very disturbing.

I can totally relate to what you are saying

I have wondered from the beginning of the conflict along the Lebanese border as to how the media have been able to distinguish "civilians" from "Hezbollah". Of course, it can't be done, except for children younger than about - what was the age of the youngest suicide bomber? - possibly four years old.
The same with 12 Israelis killed in a single rocket blast, who were described as "soldiers", and then as "reservists". Nearly every Israeli male is a reservist.

Lying, treacherous, the MSM don't even deserve our contempt.

I am currently vacationing in Glasgow. Day after the latest terror plot arrests the Scotland Yard spokesman hastened to assure everyone that this was "criminal activity" that had nothing to do with any particular "community." None of the mainstream television media here saw fit to challenge this bit of PC piffle.

The MSM reports from Lebanon are equally contemptible. BBC is the worst. Their reporter on the six o'clock news tonight sounded like a paid agent of Hezbollah.

I thought the Canadian press was biased, ignorant and lazy, but even those hapless nitwits are starting to look good compared to their British counterparts.

There are 3 kinds of utopians

Two of them ET has referred to as:

1.The leftwing, socialists who are “utopians of the future”

2.The Islamists who are “utopians of the past”

As ET has explained above , these 2 strains of utopians have formed an alliance because they don’t champion the individual, they prefer confinement of thought, no dissent allowed.

But recently a new strain of utopian has become apparent to me-
utopians of the right.

An example of a leftwing utopian would be Ned Lamont of Greenwich Connectiticut. Old money, so old that he’s forgotten how it was made – like Ted Kennedy. This is the Land Rover set of Greenwich Connecticut - investment bankers, so rich they feel guilty – but not so guilty that they won’t have shielded their assets from tax.

Then the utopians of the right are George Will (elitist bow-tie and all) and I hate to say it but - William F Buckley – my hero from university days when I’d watch him debate on Firing Line. These guys seem to think America is so morally-right and so powerful that the neo-cons are whacko for seeing a need to get into a military fight for what’s right. The neo-cons have been trying to tell the utopian right that, like ET says, “that it’s not the End of History”, the West hasn’t won, and evil still exists. That it’s necessary to defend against this Islamic Fascist threat.

But the utopian rightwing anti-war crowd of Will and Buckley don’t seem to understand that Roosevelt and Churchill made more horrendous military mistakes than Bush. But back then the MSM and Hollywood tried to stay positive and just win the War despite the fact War was hell. But, maybe we need to also remember that the utopians dominated in the USA until Pearl Harbour Dec 1941 .. pretty late into the War, that’s what worries me.

The curse is UTOPIANS. We must battle the utopians just like Churchill did in the 1930’s. Because as others have said here, utopians don’t want to deal with the facts they just want to tell you how they “feel” about things. Utopians will say that “civilians” are dying in Lebanon, whereas ONLY “Israelis” are dying in Israel.

Yeah, I confess too! Basically my whole family is comprised of leftards and worse - can't see anything but the poor Lebos and the eeeeeevil Jooos!

Worst is my brother working in Germany - a no-hoper if there ever was one. Sad...

I am a former Liberal Party supporter who says thank you every day for the fact that for the first time in many years Canada has a Prime Minister in Stephen Harper that all Canadians can be proud of.

Thank God for Stephen Harper.

The Left would prefer our foreign policy be determined by terrorists rather than our democratically elected leaders. Imagine Bin Laden determining US foreign policy, essentially serving as US Secretary of State. He could hardly be the recipient of more vitriol than our current democratically elected leadership.

LOL! In the real world, of course, bin Laden has been precisely "determining US foreign policy" for the last 5 years. The purpose of 9/11 was to provoke the US into becoming insane and lashing out violently against the Middle East, leading to heaping piles of Muslim corpses displayed all over al-Jazeera TV, and thus providing vast pools of new recruits for extremist groups like al-Qaeda. Thanks to the knuckledragging dimwit in the White House, it worked spectacularly.

Bush could hardly be a more effective tool of al-Qaeda if he had electrodes implanted in the back of his head, with Osama holding the control box.

" and thus providing vast pools of new recruits for extremist groups like al-Qaeda."

Of course in the real world, islamofacists need no excuse to bomb, torture, behead....etc,etc.

troll alert!

Conflation and twisting of facts! Bush demonizations and analogous mutterings!

sneering and sputtering from prosaic defender of dhimmitude!

thar she blows - beluga2!

beluga2, yes, I'm sure everything would have worked out GREAT if Americans would just die quietly and vote in compliant dhimmis like the Spaniards. I presume the US administration could have just asked Bin Laden to tea, like Clinton virtually did after the '93 al queda attack on the WTC and everything would have been coolio?

Please do share your theory on the Islamofascist strategies employed in Casablanca, Madrid, London, Kuta, Karachi, Nairobi, Dar es Saalam, Riyadh, Taba, Luxor, Bombay, Moscow, Beslan, Amman, Istanbul? Any thoughts on the thwarted terror plots in France and Germany? From the reaction of Muslims to a few Danish cartoons, it looks like it doesn't take much for them to hop on the hatewaggon. So, do tell what YOU would do if Toronto were attacked? Other than ask the US if you could borrow some planes?

Thanks jrb, I thought I saw the pink water spouts. Troll indeed!!

It amazes me that the people that I meet that are truly hate filled, in fact they overflow with hatred, are the lefties. Even the most violent right wing nut cases that I've met don't hate to the extent of the lefties. It's almost like they're possessed by the very hate that they've cultivated and anything that might diffuse that hatred is attacked as a threat.

In the words of the old Saturday Night Live shows... Very Interesting!

Pat

From all the previous comments, TWO THOUGHTS struck me.

1) Is the UNITED NATIONS not a huge problem in the WEST"S FIGHT AGAINST TERRORISTS ?? I mean , really, it's like the UN's, Annan's, Maurice Strong's, Saddam's, Tongsun Park's, Boutrous's, role in the world to is run interference in the left's/terrorist's attempt to install ONE WORLD GOVERNANCE.

2) Maybe TED KENNEDY has forgot where his leftist money came from. I don't know. Where??

BHoax

1. I’m amazed Bush has put as good a guy as Bolton into the UN. Perhaps they figure, since we’re not in a conventional war, getting good information is the key to winning and why not have as many as corrupt delegates to the UN on the East side of Manhattan as possible, where we can spy on them. I used to live near the UN. I trained my dog to pee as we passed the despots’ limos in front of the UN. What a bunch arrogant jerks many of the delgates are.
2. The Kennedy’s made their money in booze during prohibition. Then in broadcasting, which was regulated but you could rich if you pulled strings in Washington. Joe Kennedy was anti-Semite, he liked Hitler. What a bunch. Having said that, I’ve learned to have more respect for JFK, at least he hated commies and would stand up to them.

Great commentary, ET.

We're up a creek.

That's not an admission of defeat, just a realistic analysis of what's going on. The unfortunate thing is, when you're dealing with lefties who refuse to face reality, that it doesn't matter how much reason, logic, or logical consequences you bring to bear on the argument, they're immune to it. They live in a parallel universe to the one we live in, and no amount of shining light into the darkness or illuminating the landscape seems to have any effect on them. What's the word for this massive disconnect? Mass insanity? Gross stupidity? Colossol idiocy? (Too much dope?)

As you say, they're agin' change, and they seem to like the ghettoes they're a part of (probably because, up to now (BH), they're government-sponsored or -funded). Never mind that the leaders of ghettoes which others may be a part of deny the lifestyles we enjoy--like Af'stan before the Taliban were sent packing or most Muslim countries where women, as ET points out, have none of the freedoms women in the West have (feminists, where the heck are you? Where are your marches? your placards? your passionate discontent? They could be very well employed in the WOT, to ensure the rights and freedoms that you enjoy in Canada, the U.S., Australia, Britain, Europe...).

Lefties are all too capable of lionizing these regimes--viz. CUPE's and the Communist Party of Canada's support of Hezbollah in the counter demonstration to the pro-Israel rally today in Toronto--in complete disregard of what these regimes actually stand for: suppression of human rights and freedoms, subjugation and repression of women, outright death and destruction to those who disagree with them, and the list goes on.

There's something so wrong with this picture that it's stupefying: To try to comprehend the mindset that can support "the rights" of anti-democratic and murderous Islamofascist terrorists while at the same time ignoring the wretched lifestyles of the majority of those who live in countries run by these terrorists ties one into a pretzel--or a Gordian knot.

If these lefties think that life under the Hezbollah is so great, why don't they go and live in the ME? Why don't they ask themselves why so many Muslims have left the ME to live in countries which are founded on, and protect (or at least, used to protect), their citizen's democratic freedoms?

This phenomenon actually has precdents in the left-leaning members of the MSM in the 1930s who defended Stalin's Communism and turned a blind eye and a deaf ear to the millions of people he murdered in his own country and in the Ukraine. There does seem to be a common thread here--and it is, as ET points out, their rejection of individuals. They also totally rejected the Judeo-Christian God, who of all Gods expresses a deep and abiding love of and concern for the individual, not just as part of a group: "...Fear not, you who I have created, you who I have formed, I have called you by name..."

To disregard the connection between the increasing rejection of the (Judeo-) Christian religion in Western culture and the concomitant rejection of reality, reason, and logic in a critical mass of our population is to ignore every possible consideration in understanding what the H*** is going on: Why are so many lefties supporting Islamofascist terrorists in the ME and even in Canada and the other Western democracies?

Malcolm Muggeridge had quite a lot to say about this.

NKOTB, My oh my, I wish I had your eloquence in stating the obvious.

New Kid, I guess the lefties don't just hate Christians and Jews after all. They must also hate Buddhists, Hindus, aethiests, wiccans, women, gays, dogs and pigs. What other conclusion can one come to?

Look at the dust up the left caused over the gay "right" to marriage? Horrific and biggoted that truly liberal western societies were not willing to redefine the age old definition of marriage to suit them, but let Islam lop off gay heads at large -- no big.

When all the lesbians drape their "females" in black sheets, cut slits out for their eyes, forbid them to drive or be seen in public without a male escort with a verifiable swinging dick, and execute each other in our stadiums for walking or talking to loud, I'll take the left seriously again.

To the idiots wanting to misunderstand, I am not against gays. I have no problem with gays. Please just think about what I said. I've heard all kinds of bullshit from the left about religious extremists, and NONE OF IT IS DIRECTED AT THE REAL THING.

multirec: Stating the obvious in this whacko era of disconnects and numerous bewildering cul-de-sacs is hard work, seeing as nothing is, exactly, "obvious" in all of this. We've got a modern-day equivalent to the Tower of Babel, where common meanings to words and expressions have been lost. Stumbling towards the light would be more accurate....

In addition to asking, "Why are so many lefties supporting Islamofascist terrorists in the ME and even in Canada and the other Western democracies?" I might have added, "Why have so many lefties rejected the individual to clamber for the "rights" of collectivities?" It's clear from past experiments that ignoring individual's rights and organizing societies as collectivities doesn't work and has resulted, besides, in mass murder and human suffering on an unprecedented scale.

Tom Penn, you're right: Given the company they're now keeping, lefties must hate "Buddhists, Hindus, aetheists, wiccans, women, gays, dogs and pigs," that is, if they're going to be consistent. But since when has being dumbfoundingly and irritatingly inconsistent ever bothered them? They're getting government handouts, academia's, the MSM's, judiciary's, and entertainment industry's support, despite their twisted "logic."

'Love the "escort" the Burqua-clad feminists are going to need! Dhimmitude is the logical consequence of their collaboration with the enemy, though Dhimmitude doesn't seem to be a word that's made it into the lefties' vocabulary. 'Really on the cutting edge, aren’t they?

You're also dead on when you talk about "bullshit from the left about religious extremists, and NONE OF IT IS DIRECTED AT THE REAL THING." I'm getting pretty fed up with Christians’ being labelled as extremists, fundamentalists, a big part of the problem: 'Can't remember the last time Christians participated in a demonstration supporting illegal terrorists, planned murder on a mass scale, suppressed the human rights and freedoms of women and minorities that don't happen to follow their faith... I do, on the other hand, recall Christians having sent massive relief to the Tsunami victims, supported orphaned and underprivileged children around the world, developed workable toilets and wells in Africa, etc., etc., often in areas where there are no Christians.

In other words, being Christian is not criteria for being the recipient of aid. Do Muslims routinely rush to the aid of needy people who do not share their faith? The accurate answer is “No, they don’t.” In fact, as we are seeing, if you’re not of their faith, you are an Infidel, a target of their wrath, and quite deserving of punishment and death.

Who are the religious extremists, again??

Michael, a *rigid liberal*, learns from Marine Dad, the logic of Western resolve.

Sadly, it came down to a question of them or us. Think about this Michael: them or us.

Who would die and who would live? the American government is sworn to protect Americans.

Absent a surrender from the Japanese we had every reason to believe that they would fight us down to the last man, woman or child standing. We were expecting American casualties in the hundreds of thousands.

Instead we leveled three of their cities in the hope that this would eliminate their will to fight.

It did. The Japanese died and the Americans lived.

Am I proud of that decision? No, frankly I'm not. This is not a question of emotion, its a question of cold hard rationality.

Do I find the use of nuclear weapons barbaric? yes, I honestly do.

Would I advocate their use against Muslim population centers if it comes to a question of them or us?

Yes Michael I would.

Do I admire Truman for making this choice? yes I do. It was a difficult decision and not one that he took lightly, but ultimately he did his duty to the people he had sworn to protect.

It was them or it was us. don't forget that.

Next, did this bring civilization to Japan?

Well given that they are the number two economy in the world I would have to say that it did. Japan is a vibrant and civilized place. We in America are pleased to have them as both friends and allies. We spend an enormous amount of our money protecting the Japanese and we are glad to do so. I cannot ever recall anyone complaining about the cost of keeping Japan safe. They are stalwart people solidly democratic and very peaceful.

We buy their cars, we eat their food, we pay for the privilege of watching their best athletes play our favorite game.

do you now understand my point?
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http://IraqTheModel.blogspot.com

Please, no emotional labels like * warmonger *. Debate about direct defense is not popular or easy, but we better be real rather than surprised. = TG

the long term view:

lets say for arguements sake, the lefty position takes hold.

supporters are going to find out eventually much to their horror and discomfort, that the left view is counter to nature; there are physical, biological, economic and sociological laws that will assert themselves in time.

you cannot defy nature no matter whut ideology is locked in your pretty littel leftist head; look at china during mao's cultural revolution, bizarreness to the max. economic policies in the soviet union that came to a collosal crash when loans and technical support halted in the reagan administration.

the leftist view is a true utopia; and thus based on fiction and wishful thinking.

ANY socio-political-economic model MUST incorporate the fundamentals of human nature and behavior. amongst them enlightened self interest. emphasis on SELF.

a leftist victory WILL result in a few power elitists at the top impervious to public rights or wishes. except there will be no DEMOCRATIC means to oust them.

biblical end times come on down !!!

TG:

God bless Harry Truman and his resolve to END the war the moment he was told of the success at trinity.

it became at that point no longer a protracted war of attrition and carnage.

to those who claim the japs were on the verge of surrender I pose the question: who was in charge on the jap side? the 'warmongers' who started the whole thing and willing to sacrifice 10s of millions of japanese lives to stay out of a war crimes trial? yep!

but the 1-2 punch shock effect of the nagasaki bomb gave the surrender capable japanese CIVILIAN authorities the brief opportunity to step in and SIGN the documents on that aircraft carrier in tokyo bay.

the undeniable FACT is the end of the war coincided with the use of a ghastly new weapon.

well, it wasnt a coincidence, was it?

hiroshima was the wake up call, nagasaki was the message and it WORKED.

imagine Truman's legacy if the thing had dragged on another 6 months to a year with another 1,000,000 to 5,000,000 casualties and then we all found out he could have opted for the Bomb?

God bless Harry Truman. the last american president with scruples and genuine overriding principles.

Everyone is missing out on the most important, world shattering snub of the century, STEPHEN HARPER DID NOT ATTEND AIDS CONFERENCE, the cause celebre of the decade for Stephen Lewis, renowned Aids activist.

We all hope a cure will be found for sure, I don't think Harper's absence is of any consequence. Until a cure is found, the suffering and dying from that disease will continue, they can rant on forever to no avail. Behaviours and education are the only tools we have in this fight, both are hard to force and implement
Sorry, off topic!

Everyone is missing out on the most important, world shattering snub of the century, STEPHEN HARPER DID NOT ATTEND AIDS CONFERENCE, the cause celebre of the decade for Stephen Lewis, renowned Aids activist.

We all hope a cure will be found for sure, I don't think Harper's absence is of any consequence. Until a cure is found, the suffering and dying from that disease will continue, they can rant on forever to no avail. Behaviours and education are the only tools we have in this fight, both are hard to force and implement
Sorry, off topic!

Beluga2,

In comments above,
informs us that *Bush*, made all the wrong moves.

That opinion was challenged, yet, Beluga2 failed to answer. Failed to outline the CORRECT approach to solve the Terrorist act of war of 9/11.

Why is it that emotional reactive liberals are never able to suggest anything constructive?

Why are they only able to whine and complain? = TG

I've been watching quite a bit of CNN lately. They have an interesting way of reporting casualties in this conflict. When refering to the numbers or Jewish casualties they refer to them as "Israelis". When refering to the Lebanese, they say "mostly civilian and many of them women and children". It appears that most MSM is reporting in this manner. It makes me want to puke.