Baalbek

hmmm,, France is going to boycott the meeting of contributing nations to the international peacekeeping forces. Strange, rumours today had France be asked to command it, since they had been so vocal in demanding a ceasefire. Hows the view from the cheap seats France, Put up or shut up

Isn't it that the commander of the UNIFIL in Lebanon for the longest time to date is a French General who commanded the UN Force in the Balkans ? Do you really want the French to take lead role again?

Hmm...pretty sure I just read some Israeli guy say: "Funny how there isn’t a single hospital in the Arab world that would even consider the necessity to build a hospital in a bomb shelter. Why? Because they know we would never target a hospital."

OK, so they didn't bomb the hospital (like they bomb the Red Cross, Canadian soldiers, children, civillians, ambulances, fleeing convoys, picknicking families on beaches, etc.), so technically he may be correct (the day ain't over yet) but they did invade a hospital to take prisoners. I don't even bother checking to see if Israel's latest stunt meets the standards of Western Civilization as elucidated in the Geneva Convention anymore, I just shake my head and reflect on how Canada EARNED their non-universally loathed reputation through honourable conduct on the battlefield rather than boastfully bogus claims of being the most moral military in the world.

Lebanon: Battle At Baalbek Hospital
August 02, 2006 00 19 GMT

Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and Hezbollah militants clashed near Baalbek hospital in eastern Lebanon on Aug. 2. The IDF was reportedly trying to capture a Hezbollah official in the hospital, but Hezbollah denied that Israeli forces have taken any patients.

So just when Hezbollah needs time to rearm , a staged attack on civilians shows bodies with all the signs of being dead before being placed in the building , now the Hezzie PR boys claim the IDF is using a Hospital to wage war.

Next we'll hear that a bomb hit a orphanage for blind/handicapped/aids infected/cancer victims waiting for the truck with fresh blood for the really sick children in wheelchair that are also deaf autistic.

Once again, Bob, and unfortunately probably not for the last time, if the IDF entered the hospital it would be in pursuit of Hezbollah militia. The democratically elected government of the country of Israel has instructed its army to remove the threat of Hezbollah to the citizens of Israel. If Hezbollah hides in hospitals, mosques, Red Cross ambulances or UN Convoys they have broken the Geneva Conventions. This is not a Monty Python skit, this is life and death to Israel. They are conducting a war. You putz.

Odd. I just had an onslaught of previously rebutted rhetoric and strangely skewed reality cross my screen. There was also the pungent scent which remains after a collision between cause-and-effect and a twisted reality field.

Is my Bob filter broken?

I just shake my head

Not. Hard. Enough.

Your friends in Hizb'Allah don't even warrant Geneva Convention priviledges, because they don't appear in battle dress nor do they follow the rules of war.

They do all the things that you claim to abhor, and yet you remain strangely silent on that.

Whatever could be the reason?

BOB=TROGLODYTE

BOB=TROGLODYTE

BOB=TROGLODYTE

There is a fundamental moral difference between the Israelis and Hezbollah.

Israel regrets and apologizes for the death of civilians. Hezbollah targets innocent civilians and celebrates their deaths.

To (loosely) quote Winston Churchill:
"Some people think the neutral middle ground is between the firefighters and the fire."

Bob, your post shows that you have not a clue about the requirements and obligations of the Geneva Convention. Neither, apparently, do the Hezbollah TERRORISTS you're defending.

Actually, they do know all about the Convention, but know that useful fools, such as you, will only hold Israel to such high standards. Hezbollah knows that people like you both disqualify them from honourable behaviour and accord them win-win staus, no matter what happens. Their positions get razed? "Disproportionate" Israeli reaction. Civilians--put in harm's way quite deliberately by Hezbollah, who care not a fig for human life, Israeli or Muslim--dead? Simply propaganda fodder for the West's lefty elites and their camp followers.

Do you really want Iran's proxy, Hezbollah, to overrun the only western-style democarcy in the ME? Remember, if that happens, we're in their crosshairs next. (Well, even more in their crosshairs, as we're already in that unenviable position.)

Bob, your thoughts on this?

Bob, not to mention more serious charges, you're an idiot.

The Hezzi official isn't a patient -- he's commanding the HZB forces from there.

The Hizballah’s Beqaa commander Muhammad Yazbek is reported by DEBKAfile’s exclusive sources as having converted the Dar al Hikmeh Hospital in the village into the headquarters for his staff. Israel troops who made for this target are engaged in heavy clashes around the building.

Another example of this evil strategy comes from HZB's own disinformation site, http://www.ghaliboun.net - boasting of an alleged ambush on IDF from the Ayta El-Shaab school:

where fierce clashes are still being fought between the combatants and the so-called Elite Israeli forces on the outskirts of the town. After the destruction of a tank and a military bulldozer in the morning, these forces have re-entered the town.
Upon their arrival at the town school, they fell in a tight ambush by the resistance, whose combatants poured their fire on them, perfectly directed by God the exalted and holy.
This left the enemy with fifteen dead and wounded casualties on the battlefield.
Fierce clashes are still being fought, while the enemy is trying to evacuate casualties from the battlefield.
The Islamic Resistance

I wasn't going to say it, but, yes, at this point--though he may have something to add to change my mind: I've asked him to respond--I too think that Bob's a troglodyte.

Possibly the IDF thinks their 2 captured soldiers are in the hospital, or, Nasrullah is in there. It had been reported earlier that he was at a meeting Damascus. Hope the IDF gets the targets they were after!!!

Bob,

Are you a typical NDP or Lib supporter (not that it makes a difference anymore ... both the same)?

BTW: I support you 100% and I encourage you to post your views on every board you can ... do the media thing also.

I used to regularly read this site, up to the point when it started taking sides in the Arab/Israely conflict.

I cannot understand how is that canadian conservative ("right-wing") = pro low taxes/govmnt AND unconditional support of Israel. Since when? I thought the equation is pro low taxes/govmnt AND unconditional support of CANADA!

I am a conservative, but one that does not like war. Something that no news cast can give you is the smell of war. It stayed with me forever! Ever wonder why so many combat veterans become pacifists?

I am a conservative, but one that has a lot of respect for resistance movements.

I personally think that the cons are making a catastrophic mistake my unconditionally supporting Israel: most of the jewish vote goes to the liberal party, and it will not move from there irrespective of the support. Same as in the US. The alienation in other parts of the population, however, will drive people away.

IMO, say godbye to any dreams of a majority.

Good luck and good bye.

I neve thought I'd see the day that I'd jump to Israels side but we are here today!!

Israel at the very least, generally adheres to accepted moral tactics, procedures. You cannot say the same for some of its enemies. IF and I mean IF, an enemy was using a hospital as a headquarters, during a battle, well to fucking bad for the patients. This is a fight to the death, and you sink to the enemies level ...if you want to win...er I mean LIVE!

The terrorists are making their own rules, NO FRICKING RULES!!

SO BE IT!! ..exterminate them..ANYHOW ANYWHERE.

Just not enough Vandoos to go around I guess.

Jeepers, Jerry!

Not many people like war, but please don't confuse the absence of war with peace. We can debate to the ends of the earth who started it, and I'm confident you and I would never come to common terms with the cause or the results.

I don't think you'll find a lot of folks around here will temper their support for Israel based on the potential to swing the Jewish vote for or against the Conservative party.

Looks like Hizballah and Hamas have been trading notes again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ONKb9J2YeU&search=United%20Nations%2C%20Ambulance

So jerry....big FLQ supporter were you? Boy, great buncha guys in that 'resistance movement', they sure showed that Laporte a thing or two didn't they?

So jerry....big FLQ supporter were you? Boy, great buncha guys in that 'resistance movement', they sure showed that Laporte a thing or two didn't they?

As so many posters have adequately pointed out Bob, your logic defies logic.

Maybe shake your head a little harder. You have a classic case of your left side not knowing what the right is doing. I won't bother countering with the pictures of Hezbollah dressed as civillians, hiding behind the U.N. and in residential areas, because it seems you're a touch dyslexic.

Also could you explain this: "Canada EARNED their non-universally loathed reputation through honourable conduct on the battlefield rather than boastfully bogus claims of being the most moral military in the world." ?

Non-universally? Loathed reputation through honorable conduct? boastfully bogus claims? What tense(s) are you speaking? What universe? What battle? Any sources?

And lastly this; "Hezbollah denied that Israeli forces have taken any patients"
First of all, where's your link and what's your point? You can't seriously be suggesting they they wouldn't lie.

Go Israel. A successful kill and snatch operation.

Commenter says: It was a Baal*breaker.

Stand with Prime Minister Harper.

Stand with Israel. ...-

Baalbek operation completed successfully
ynetnews.com ^ | August 2, 2006 | Roee Nahmias

IDF commando units return safely to Israel after nightly raid in Lebanese territory. Several Hizbullah gunmen, killed, at least three terrorists captured in operation. Lebanese officials say 10 civilians killed in IDF air strike

Israeli commando units returned safely to Israel Wednesday morning, after a nightly raid on a Hizbullah stronghold in the town of Baalbek, located close to the Syrian border, and exchanges of fire with terrorists. ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1676207/posts

*Baal was a god of the Canaanites; Anat was his sister/consort=incest.

Go Israel. A successful kill and snatch operation.

Commenter says: It was a Baal*breaker.

Stand with Prime Minister Harper.

Stand with Israel. ...-

Baalbek operation completed successfully
ynetnews.com ^ | August 2, 2006 | Roee Nahmias

IDF commando units return safely to Israel after nightly raid in Lebanese territory. Several Hizbullah gunmen, killed, at least three terrorists captured in operation. Lebanese officials say 10 civilians killed in IDF air strike

Israeli commando units returned safely to Israel Wednesday morning, after a nightly raid on a Hizbullah stronghold in the town of Baalbek, located close to the Syrian border, and exchanges of fire with terrorists. ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1676207/posts

*Baal was a god of the Canaanites; Anat was his sister/consort=incest.

A successful kill and snatch operation.

Go Israel....-

20:12 PDT The IDF raid on Baalbek ends. Israel reports it has captured Hezbollah targets and killed others, all men out with no casualties among the raiders. (Fox) via Belmont club

The hospital in Lebanon raided by the IDF was built by Iran for its Hezbollah terrorists.

Bleeding heart/lib/socialists please do not read this c/p. ...-

Go IDF.

Stand with Israel.

Israeli forces step up attacks
BEIRUT (AP) - Israel poured up to 10,000 armoured troops into southern Lebanon on Tuesday and sent commando forces deep into the eastern Bekaa Valley where they raided a Hezbollah-run hospital and captured guerrillas during pitched battles, a major escalation of the three-week-old war

I think the IDF boys took the hospital first so the Hezzies couldnt go there. It is Hezbollah firing AT the hospital not protecting it.

The rabble is on the outside, the trained forces on the inside.

A gutzy move , very much like Cannae- drawing them in and then trapping them in a ring.

let's put it this way...if your neighbour was constantly lobbing hot charcoal from his bbq into your backyard daily...the police do nothing...it never hits your kids, but gets closer every day...what would u do???..i would beat the crap out of him...it is called SELF DEFENCE....

Jerry of the "I am a conservative, but one that does not like war" statement.

Too bad. So sad. The war between Israel and Hezbollah IS Canada's war, Mr. Johnson, and the sooner all Canadians realize this the better. If Israel, the only western-style democracy in the ME, loses, then we all lose. All Western democracies are under attack now, but if Israel loses this battle, you'll be smelling war right on the street where you live, Jerry. Right here. In Canada. And I'm not making this up.

Where did you fight, Jerry? I'm sure the stench of war is Hell, but I'm not clear that the answer to not wanting war is to become a pacifist. Peace, peace, where there is no peace is no answer to forces that wish to annihilate us and force us into Dhimmitude. 'You think there'll be peace in Canada when Hezbollah, Hamas, Al-Qaeda, and company bring their war over here?

Think about it.

As for "Good luck and good-bye": Why don't you take a flying leap, Jerry...? Or better yet, why not head over to Lebanon and join Hezbollah? Lots of peace there, buddy.

Bob and jerry: sounds like some sweet smelling mush gone rancid.

jerry, you sound like an appeaser to me--an "apple (for betrayal) eating surrender monkey". When the going gets tough, you want to cut and run. Guess what, jerry? That just gives the enemy more time to regroup for the INEVITABLE battle. It's coming, jerry, whether you admit it or not. And how self-centred and immature to think that your "likes" have anything to do with it: You whine, "I am a conservative, but one that does not like war." You have the audacity to think the rest of us do?

Let's say your neighbour makes it perfectly clear that he intends to destroy your house and your family. You know he means it and the first grenades start exploding. Then what? You say, "I am a conservative, but one that does not like war." That's going to do the trick is it? Maybe you'll change your tune when the top floor of your house has been reduced to rubble and your teenage kids to tiny, disconnected body parts. And that's just the beginning of the assault--which, BTW, your neighbour has attempted many times before.

Even though the neighbour has proven over and over to be a vicious, implacable ENEMY by attacking your property and killing your family, will you still be saying, "I am a conservative, but one that has a lot of respect for resistance movements"? "Resistance movement"? Give me a break: Hezbollah is a TERRORIST organization. If you really believe the resistance delusion, I think you're a pretty dim-witted conservative--or just person.

In our present situation, if everyone in the West were as obtuse and deluded as you, I think I'd be stocking up on some burqas for me and my daughters. (If you see what looks like a suicide bomber in the subway or wherever, why don't you try walking up to that person and saying, "I am a conservative, but one that has a lot of respect for resistance movements . . . [and I do] not like war"? BOOM!)

I'm going to a huge pro-Israel rally next week. The young Jewish person to whom I spoke on the phone while ordering my tickets, admitted she'd always voted Liberal but is going to vote for the Conservatives the next time. But, jerry, that's not why I'm on Israel's side.

Jerry, I don't think you're really a conservative at all. You sound like a Liebrano type: They do everything for expediency and nothing just because it's the right thing to do. The present Conservative government and our principled PMSH are supporting Israel, first of all, because it's morally the right thing to do--if you were a real conservative, you'd understand that, jerry--and also because it promotes Canada's national self-interest: If the Israelis knock out Hezbollah--a proxy for Iran--we'll all sleep safer in our beds. Or, jerry, do you want to be fighting Islamic terror in a town near you?

The C(c)onservatives are better off without useful--to the enemy--idiots like you. Your sign off is gratefully accepted.

Israel only Western style democracy in the ME? So it has to be WESTERN style? You mean like voting like Palestine did? Like Lebanon did?
You are so right--Israel is the only WESTERN style democracy--democracy at the end of a gun--do it our way or we bomb the hell out of you democracy? Who the hell would wnat it other than a morally bankrupt country like Israel or the USA?

So, George, what's wrong with Western style? Typical, drive by lefty swipe: no substance at all.

You've stated your thesis, George. That's all you've done. Now back it up. Be sure to provide verifiable fact, not just self-serving opinion.

Also, what do you think of Hezbollah or proxies in a city/town near you? Here. In Canada.

But I forget: People like you don't seem to think.

Ok, lets all go for a cease-fire.
Who is going to negotiate with Hezbollah and guarantee absolutely that they will cease hostilities and wont be rearming.
I hate to say it, but if Israel would stop protecting its citizens, get the civilian body count up, then they would have more world-wide support.

I heard that the libs popularity has increased in Ontario. I want to know just what the hell exactly is going through the minds of the citizens of that Province. What on earth have the liberals done to make them attractive as a political option?
These two thoughts are not disconnected. It occurs to me there is a mind-set out there that is divorced from reason and clarity of thought.
i despair for the world.

George says "Who the hell would wnat it other than a morally bankrupt country like Israel or the USA?"

Pick me! You can join the morally flush and take a flying leap from Hizballoonie rocket for all I care. If we're morally bankrupt, then the evil little creeps that consider murder some kind of holy endeavour rewarded by Allah must your version of Cash for Life. I'll gladly be bankrupt. I've been there and I've recovered. I doubt there's hope for you, however.

George says "Who the hell would wnat it other than a morally bankrupt country like Israel or the USA?"

Me too, Tom

George says "Who the hell would wnat it other than a morally bankrupt country like Israel or the USA?"

Me too, Tom

maz2,

In all your glee you're forgetting many important facts.

1) There are 700 million people in the region that want Israel out and only 6.5 million that want them to stay.

2) Any international force established in south Lebanon will be under constant rocket fire and attack.

3) The Americans are loosing the war on terror.

4) Terrorists now have all the weaponry and equipment previously only available to the USA and its allies.

5) Terrorists have the support of the 700 million in the area.

6) Terrorists tell better lies and have won the hearts and minds of that 700 million.

More glee from Israel.

Notice,also, that the warnings were also given by "Arab media". Is that a first?

Go Israel. ...-

IDF Calls On South Lebanon Residents To Leave Their Homes (Leaflets Dropped)

Ynet ^ | 8/2/06
The Israel Defense Forces called on residents of the southern Lebanese town of Nabatiyeh to leave their homes. Air force aircraft dropped leaflets asking residents to leave for their safety and similar warnings were given by the Arab media. (Efrat Weiss) ...-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1676409/posts

This bit about "I used to be a Conservative" is a lefty tactic. Don't get upset about it. These losers were never Conservative. Obviously from their irredeemable stupidity they don't possess the IQ.

I think bob just made an appearance at Dust My Broom. Check out the comment section for "Death Cult Ride". Somebody's losing it

tru2 said:

"There are 700 million people in the region that want Israel out and only 6.5 million that want them to stay."

Not exactly true my friend. 700 million people in the region? Just how big is this region you are talking about? Are you just throwing around the number of Muslims in the world? They certainly don't all live in the middle east. Could you also not make a case that Israel is in the Mediterranian region? How would the stats stack up then?

But even if I conced the point about the numbers (which I don't), so what? Europe in the 1930's was profoundly anti-semetic, and the European Jews were c ertainly outnumbered by a huge margin, and lots of people had (for centuries) wanted them to leave. Pogrom after pogrom was launched, until the biggest one of all, the holocaust. But hey, I guess they were okay because the majority wanted the Jews out of Europe.

I guess by your logic the forced expulsion of Muslims from European states where the majority don't want them (eg: Holland, Denmark) is also justified.

Your whole post is filled with question begging. Assertions are not arguments.

Karl,

1 step at a time.

The region I'm speaking of is the Middle East. Yes, the numbers are only a guestimate. Point being though is Israelis are outnumbered by about 100 to 1.

I don't think any similarities can be drawn to 1930s Europe. A different time all together. It was large army against large army. Now it's small bands hiding in civilian clothes using hit and run tactics. The allies who eventually liberated Europe were more interested in liberating countries than they were races. They were horrified when they discovered evidence of the holocaust largely kept quite by the Nazies. The allies knew it was going on but failed to realize the extent.

Big difference with Muslims in Europe as well. They now compromise up to 40% of some of the populations. That's a ratio of .4 to 1

40% , lucky France , I wouldnt wish it on anyone but them.

wait till they establish a Hezbollah equivalent there.

tru2: I would hazard a guess that the ratio of readers who want you to continue commenting on this site is about a 100:1. So, how's about taking your own (unstated) suggestion. Bye!

"Oh look! We're outnumbered! Let's give up!"...that is about all I can surmise from your comment. Are you French, by any chance? Muslim? That would explain it.

Oops: meant to say "ratio of readers NOT wanting you to continue".

What happened to George?

Somebody's losing it

Somebody's lost it.

Thanks for the tip, Greg. By the time the Bobster gets to the end of his rant, he completely flips his wig.

Such delicate nuanced creatures these left-wing pacifists are, wouldn't you say?

Sorry, for the delay in giving the glee message from the IDF pamphlet.

Mohammed: "We'll Find You Anywhere" even if that anywhere is Gehenna*.

The Muslim Islamist terrorists are sacrificing children to their god, Moloch, aka Allah....-

IDF to Enemy Fighters: We'll Find You Anywhere

Arutz Sheva - Israeli National News ^ | 8/2/06
(IsraelNN.com) IDF forces have been distributing and dropping leaflets in Lebanese towns this evening aimed at Hizbullah fighters. The leaflets warn that IDF forces are in control and call for the Hizbullah terrorists to surrender immediately. "We are in the field and we will get to you anywhere you are," the leaflet says. ...-

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1676463/posts

*Gehenna: The place where children were sacrificed to the god Moloch was originally in the "valley of the son of Hinnom," to the south of Jerusalem (Josh. xv. 8, passim; II Kings xxiii. 10; Jer. ii. 23; vii. 31-32; xix. 6, 13-14). For this reason the valley was deemed to be accursed, and "Gehenna" therefore soon became a figurative equivalent for "hell."

More to this than meets the eye according to...

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