Another Broad Strata Gang Apprehended

Somewhere and somehow the MSM will put all the blame on the Satanic Americas and the Schmutzige Juden, not the innocent Muslims merely trying to express themselves.

i'm glad they caught these men. it makes me think that an awful lot of spies must be operating within the ranks of some terrorist groups. that's good news and a reminder that the vast majority of muslims are not terrorists.
the msm receives alot of criticism from you and your readers, sometimes rightly so. however, it strikes me that most of the content here comes from other bloggers who in turn, get all their breaking news, images etc from the bbc's,cnn's and cbc's of the world. essentially, blogs like this are offering nothing but partisan spin. while this is clear to you, it is obvious that many commenters here read only what you read and have little objectivity. that's problematic isn't it? surely your goal is to challenge your readers. the cartoon to depict my meaning would portray a ventriloquist (you) with your hand up your dummies arse (your readers). the caption would read something like," blah blah blah left-wing blah blah media conspiracy blah blah cbc tool of satan blah.." you get the picture.

Looking at Catnip's profile I wouldn't read anything she wrote. There are more credible Liberals somewhere I'm sure. This is definitely one to ignore.
I'm a Virgo so know she is a frigid nitpicker;-)
One of her favourite movies is Airport - she's kidding I hope.
And her favourite books are anything by His Holiness The Dalai Lama?
Ummmmmm

jeff: Oh..did Scotland Yard allow you to sit in on briefings, ("it makes me think that an awful lot of spies must be operating within the ranks of some terrorist groups")?

There ARE such things as electronic surveillance, and 'turning' group members under pressure, (not everyone who informs on his erstwhile buddies is an altruistic undercover agent).

As to blah blah...perhaps you can add: blah blah the vast majority of muslims are not terrorists blah blah.

nemo2, i admit to speculating about the existance of spies, however, it's hardly a stretch. we know that spying was key to the apprehension of the terrorist suspects in toronto.
as for your blah blah the vast majority of muslims are not terrorists blah blah. comment, please tell me what unique abilities you possess that allow you to pass judgement on a biliion people.

Is there such a thing as a Moderate Liberal?
Or
Are they all like “Catnip”?
How can we tell the difference?

I think it’s time that Moderate Liberals stood up and denounced the “Catnip” extremists.

please tell me what unique abilities you possess that allow you to pass judgement on a biliion people.

I think the inspiration came from this:

it strikes me that most of the content here comes from other bloggers who in turn, get all their breaking news, images etc from the bbc's,cnn's and cbc's of the world. essentially, blogs like this are offering nothing but partisan spin.

jeff: Perhaps 'most' Muslims are not 'active' terrorists, but many are supporters and enablers, note the crowds at the Cartoon Riots as just one example.

No 'unique abilities'....exposure maybe....most of a decade in Saudi and time spent in 7 or 8 other Muslim countries.....it tends to provide one with a modicum of insight into the mindset.

It's a plot to improve George Bush's "(and, in this case, the UK and Israeli governments)" polling numbers

Come on conspiracy theorists! Certainly you can be more creative than this. Haven't you considered that Oliver Stone is really behind this in an attempt to drive box office for his WTC movie? After all, he is not unfamiliar with conspiracies.

I am immensely relieved that this plot appears to mostly be intercepted. I have to wonder though if there is a plan B, or C... or how well this one is sewn up. Only time will tell. Will this jog the memories of the 30% (supposedly) of Americans who have forgotten about 9-11 (what year)?

It remains quite frustrating the amount of people who refuse to profile (bad word) these terrorists and are pointing fingers at Blair and Bush. They may as well just hand over the keys to the airports, the nuclear facrories etc. Maybe send some care packages to Lebanon (marked explosive). What a way to wake up. For some.

I just dont understand catnip are people really that blind

Just ranting here, but, we still have 8 Egyptian alleged exchange students on the loose and our airports will be in further gridlock for months now. Granted there is no connection, but, can the cretins at the State Dept. or Homeland Security explain why we are still permitting Muslim males into this country?

There is something more than ironic that our freedom and convenience of movement is becoming more restricted while any Islamic male can still head out on the highway as soon as he lands. And, yes, I consider them all suspect until proven otherwise.

Haven't we been fighting them over there so we wouldn't have to fight them over here?

While watching news reports (FOX) of various airports, seeing Police with machine guns; I can't help thinking how vulnerable passengers could be packed into terminals, with the possibility of more terrorists slinking around with explosives, yet to be inspected...

penny said: "why we are still permitting Muslim males into this country"?

Thing is...if you start refusing Muslims, they'll just say "We're not Muslim"...look at John Walker Lindh or Richard Reid.

jeff - I think that one has to ask you, as well, what qualifications you have to judge one billion people. After all - you HAVE judged them, as non-violent and against terrorism. So?

I, for one, am absolutely fed up with the criminality of these Islamic fascists. I am fed up with their agendas of mass murder, which they argue are justified as 'reactions' to the 'evils of the USA/UK etc'. Those are invalid excuses; there is no justification for the murder of civilians by civilians. Evil is evil - and I am fed up with the evil mindset of these Muslims.

Where are the moderate Muslims? Why don't they condemn these criminal actions? These young men are all involved for the power, the thrill, the presumed esteem of being seen as 'killers'. That's pathological.

Where are the moderate Muslims? Why don't the condemn this pathology? Instead, their imams actually promote it! How can a people promote murder? What kind of people are these?

And, why should the West put up with this mindset, why should the West accomodate their preaching, their attacks on our own religions and morals?

When is the West going to say - enough. If you are involved in preaching hatred, you are deported. If you are a citizen, you lose your citizenship. If you are born here, you are jailed for life. If you are involved in terrorist plots - the same thing - except with the addition of severe, no bail, jail sentences.

Enough.

Haven't we been fighting them over there so we wouldn't have to fight them over here?

Excuse me, but, because of the nature of terrorism you fight them everywhere you can find them which is global in the WOT, isn't it? Global terrorists - NYC, Beslan, Madrid, London, Bali, notice the location changes? - don't confine their activities to any one place.

That's the best you could come up with?

Qatar is a haven for "moderate" Muslim Islamist terrorists. Where is Qatar?

Moderate Muslims live only in USA, Canada, Great Britain, Australia, etc.

Thanks Moh/Al/AdScam Chretien-Martin/Volpe/Sgro/Coderre/LaytonNDPsocialists/Bloc/BQ, etc., for sending/bringing the "moderate" Muslims to Canada. ...-

Qatar Airways Plane Attempted Hijack Thwarted

Sky News citing Al Jazerra

via free republic

Penny,

Of course terrorism has to be fought wherever it rears its ugly head. But the rationale for the war in Iraq (after a few others were exhausted) was to turn Iraq into flypaper for terrorists so they'd be in one place and could be dealt with there and so they would not be able to function in the West. They sure have concentrated terrorists in Iraq, as we see on a daily basis, but the grandiose plots over here haven't stopped. The plots are then foiled by good old intelligence and law enforcement. Is it not a reasonable argument to suggest that the WOT could have been better fought without the Iraq diversion? Or more simply put: Even if you wholeheartedly agree with an aggressive and pre-emptive effort to defeat terrorism, at what point do you consider the conception and execution of the plan less than successful?

"What's wrong with you people?"

About half of Canadian Conservatives do not support Harper's unqualifed support of Israel. I am one of them, so I'll field this one.

I'm confident that if Ehud Olmert and the Israeli cabinet gangraped and snuffed "gentile" women live on FoxTV that you'd still support Israel. I and others have posted oodles of data which would lead any rational human with a shred of morality to be utterly revolted by the actions of the Israelis. It is difficult to believe that a woman of your demonstrated intellect and character supports the Bush/Olmert Axis of Torture. All of which is a very nice passive-aggressive (or "civil") way of me saying you are brainwashed to the Nikes.

What's wrong with us is that we are revolted by the Israeli White Slavery Trade that everyone but you acknowledges. We are revolted by Israeli dungeons that would make Zed's treatmeant at the hands of Marcellus in "Pulp Fiction" look like nirvana. We are shocked to see Stephen Harper stand up for Israel rather than stand up for Major Paeta Hess-Von Kruedener.

Fortunately you are among a tiny, dwindling minority. People like you, Canwest, Fox, and Benador Associates can spin, spin, spin all you like, but the Canadian people will never buy what you are selling.

jeff - I can't judge what's in the hearts and minds of each individual Muslim. But, I have observed this, that five years after 9/11 with subsequent atrocities committed globally, no effort has been made by Muslims anywhere to publicly and significantly condemn the terrorists. No massive rallies in DC, Paris, Dearborn, London, Berlin where it is safe to protest. In poll after poll in European countries, their Muslim populations have in significant numbers voiced approval of the terrorists. And, those are the most modern, urban and affluent of the world's Muslims.

I can judge a religion as primitive, violent and intolerant. I can judge a culture that denigrates women, scorns science and literature, and has made no political advancment as primitive. So, jeff, using those metrics, I would say that judgement has been passed on Muslims by those of us in the modern world. They are a failed culture with a very toxic religion.

Be indignant all the you want. It doesn't change the facts.

Once again, the trolls avoid the hard questions. (1) if Israel completely stops fighting back, will Hezbollah leave Israel alone? (2) if Israel is thrown overboard, will that appease the terrorists?

This calls for a prediction of the future, based on a view of history, knowledge of human nature, etc. There is no formula to give the binary answer to these questions. It is, at the end of the day, a matter of opinion.

The Islamofascists have set about to convince us that they want to (1) wipe Israel off the map (2) destroy western civilization. They've worked hard to convince us. I am convinced. I get it already.

There is no retreat into the Librano wishy-washy comfort zone of compromise. It's binary.

Consider the risks of being wrong.

Make your call. I've made mine.

Alert: Muslim Islamist Terrorism...

Quote: "It wasn’t clear what significance the airline information might have."

What does that mean/signify? 12 phones in the car? Osama and Ali; the O'Shaugnessy brothers, right?

Here is the left liberal way/ the hug-a-terrorist way to fight Muslim Islamist terrorists: bring the law/ the Sheriff/the Asst. County Prosecutor into play. The Judge will give Osama and Ali bail; suspend sentence; give Osama and Ali house leave, and, etc.

The law cannot deter/battle Muslim Islamist terrorists.

Irregulars/undercover squads, etc. must be deployed immediately to counter the Muslim Islamist terrorists. Fight fire with overwhelming counter-terror. ...-

Terror suspects found with passenger lists

The Repository (Canton, Ohio) ^ | August 10, 2006 | Staff

MARIETTA Two men were charged Wednesday with money laundering in support of terrorism after authorities said they found airplane passenger lists and information on airport security checkpoints in their car. Deputies stopped Osama Sabhi Abulhassan, 20, and Ali Houssaiky, 20, both of Dearborn, Mich., on a traffic violation Tuesday and found the flight documents along with $11,000 cash and 12 phones in their car, Washington County Sheriff Larry Mincks said. It wasn’t clear what significance the airline information might have. Assistant County Prosecutor Susan Vessels declined to comment on whether the manifests were for upcoming flights or those that already...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1680977/posts

Bob; yer a dumb ass. You obviously didn't read or more likely mis-interpreted, Kate's link on August 5 - "They're a bunch of terrorists, we're an army."

In case you missed the purpose behind the breaking news today...terrorists were planning to blow, as many innocent tourists, women and children as possible, out of the sky. The same jihadists who hide behind civilians and the U.N. in Lebanon and elsewhere.

Thankfully God seems to be on our side on this one. I guess Allah didn't think it was a good plan either.

p.s. No I wouldn't believe a live video of such a scenario, especially if it came from Al Jazeera, Reuters, CBC or some other pinko production.

Bob,

When did the conflict start, in your estimation....2 months ago, 2 years ago, 67? Or is it just about current behaviour?

Just curious to understand your perspective.

"whats wrong with you people"
"about 1/2 Canadian Conservatives do not support Harpers unqualified support of Israel"
I know, I know don't feed the trolls, but where do you get your info from, are you a qualified pollster on how Canadian Conservatives Feel, Well in my humble opinion Canadian Conservatives DO SUPPORT STEPHEN HARPER and it sure looks like a few more that are not conservatives also support him too.
The first PM to have the Balls To Take a Stand Against Terrorism, more then i can say for Liberals that March beside a Terrorist Flag, committing treason against Freedom & Democracy in denouncing the government & supporting Acts of Terrorism against innocent civilians.
Oh & yes Iam a card carrying member of the CCP.

bryanr: Oh & yes Iam a card carrying member of the CCP.

CCP? I guess you haven't read your card very closely.

When you have a terrorist organization that's dedicated to your destruction, along with the heads of countries with nuclear weapons saying that you have no right to exist, you might have a tendency to react rather strongly to any aggression against you, particularly since it's only a generation since one madman nearly wiped out your race.

Or possibly not.

It depends on whether you're a boob.

Ok, ok, jonsey
Conservative Party of Canada. It's was a mistake, so shoot me. Do you want my Membership No.? but your right i will be more diligent in future ref's
thanks

Is there ANYONE left who doubts the vile anti-Semitism of the Liberal Party???. As for that twit "catnip", with views that uninformed and downright dumb, no wonder she does not give her name on her cutsy "all about me" web page. Here in Canada we have our parliamentarians actually marching lock-step with terrorists. Ok they don't actually call them terrorists, those poor Hizbollites are really just a bunch of nice guys who are sadly misunderstood. We should feel sorry for them because Israel is actually firing back at them. So with that kind of support, how long before Hizbollah sets up shop OPENLY in Canada. Or have they already done so?? Thanks a lot Liberals.

jaymeister - the problem I have with your argument is your first premise - which is that The Iraq War was initiated with the agenda of acting as a honey-pot for terrorists. All presumed, hope-to-be, terrorists would travel by train, plane, donkey, to Iraq - and we'd collect them all and wipe them out.

This plan belongs in a Mission Impossible movie; it's pure fiction, not reality. It doesn't make any sense!

The agenda of Iraq was to free an Arab state from a tribal dictatorship, enable the people there to initiate democracy - and that democracy would disseminate into the ME. Democracies are governed by rule of law and not amenable to terrorism. (Note - unless you have Liberals in power, as in the McGuinty Liberal gov't refusing to obey the rule of law and therefore, permit native terrorism in Caledonia).

Islamic fascism is not, in my view, about Israel. That's a 'front', a kind of 'honey-pot' all on its own. But, even if Israel weren't there, Islamic fascism would exist. If Israel couldn't be used as a convenient 'causus bellum', then, we in the West might have to face Islamic fascism for the basic pathology that it is, in itself and by itself.
Instead, we move into 'guilt trips', blaming ourselves for Islamic fascism - blaming the existence of Israel, blaming the existence of oil, blaming the 19th century colonialism.

We ignore the centuries of colonization and imperialism by the Muslims, the centuries of their rampages through Europe (funny - we don't move into terrorism to 'get back' at them for what they did 500 years ago).
And we blame ourselves because we exist.

But the real cause of Islamic fascism rests within the Islamic world itself. Nowhere else. It's their refusal to modernize that is the cause.

Now- what's with these external young men - and they are all young, all men, all reasonably well-off - why have they turned into mass murderers and ideological criminals? I think it's akin to Gangs - which are emotion traps for young men, gangs make them feel powerful - and the hate preachings of Islam are a powerful intellectual trap, because these hate speeches move people out of the realm of fact and into the realm of pure fantasy. It's all about the fantasies of power.

Nothing to do with Israel; that's a diversionary excuse. These young men don't give a damn about the Palestinians or anyone else. But, it makes them feel powerful to plan, plot and murder. Trying to 'understand' them is useless. The West has to be extremely vicious and firm in its reaction.

And Muslims have to speak up and reject this internal pathological rot within them.

Speaking of being caught live on video...Michelle Malkin, LGF and others have a video of Green Helmet playing movie director.

Man, Bob, you are getting loonier with each post. I would have thought that would be impossible, but you keep getting nuttier.

Islamic fascism is not, in my view, about Israel. That's a 'front', a kind of 'honey-pot' all on its own. But, even if Israel weren't there, Islamic fascism would exist.

Look no further than Darfur, Nigeria, Indonesia and India - no Jews there - and Muslims are inflicting terror on their non-Muslim neighbors.

ET: Blame, blame, blame.....one of our guys in Riyadh had his vehicle run into by a Saudi driver.......Saudi said "If you weren't in our country this would never have happened".....i.e. you wouldn't have been on the road, so I couldn't have hit you.

There's always a 'reason', and it's always someone else's 'fault'. It's the Arab/Muslim way.

"And Muslims have to speak up and reject this internal pathological rot within them."
ET, Do you think "muslims" are afraid of these islamofacists? Does their religion bump their moral objection into 2nd place? I'm curious.
I had a muslim tell me that he doesn't associate with extremists because they are taking the Koran out of context.

ET,

You and I are in more agreement than you realize. But let's get one thing straight: I have not cited Israel as the genesis for Islamist terrorism - take that argument up with others.

As for the "honey-pot", again, that was not my idea, but one that was cited by Bush and others as a rationale for the war in Iraq. At one time, there were so many new reasons for the war that Floyd Landis could have been White House press secretary. It was Bush who came up with "fighting 'em over there so we don't have to fight 'em over here."

But the real cause of Islamic fascism rests within the Islamic world itself. Nowhere else. It's their refusal to modernize that is the cause.

Bingo!

The agenda of Iraq was to free an Arab state from a tribal dictatorship, enable the people there to initiate democracy - and that democracy would disseminate into the ME.

Then why not start with some of our so-called allies like Saudi Arabia for whom you can accomplish that feat without a war? Considering that's the country where bin Laden and most of the 9/11 terrorists came from, they'd be a great country to set an example for others. Plus, democratizing that country would seriously curtail recruiting for terrorism. (BTW, while Libya has disarmed, I don't hear any news about Qaddafi setting up a liberal democracy there.)

I stand by my philosophical question: Even if you accept the principle of aggressive action taken in the WOT, at what point would you conclude that the plan and execution of it needs retooling? If we "stay the course", at what point will it be considered a failure?

Once again, the trolls avoid the hard questions. (1) if Israel completely stops fighting back, will Hezbollah leave Israel alone? (2) if Israel is thrown overboard, will that appease the terrorists?

Before anyone attempts to answer (2), stop and take a look at the hezb'allah flag. You'll note three things: 1. the word allah in stylized black script at the bottom, 2. an AK47, 3. a globe.

That is their mission statement - Israel is only phase one and only the wilfully blind could miss it.

Jaymeister, we aren’t fighting them over here. We’re arresting them – so far. No tanks on my street yet. But it’s possible, if we don’t all get serious about this and fight these sicko plotters on innocent lives every which way we can.

Iraq was held in check by no-fly zones enforced by the Brits and the USA. Chirac and Putin and Koffi were about to dismantle that containment and ramp-up their Vichy-like ways of trading with the enemy – oil for food and all that. I’m sure happy to have Saddam and his crazy sons out of business.

ET, yes Muslims “have to speak up”. These Pakistani Muslims were living in a nice neighbourhood in a suburb of London or Londonistan as Melanie Phillips calls it. These arrested people weren’t oppressed, poverty stricken people that self-loathing liberals would have us believe.

I’ve tried to argue until I’m blue in the face over at the Shotgun that there is such a thing as a Moderate Muslim and not to tar all Muslims with the same brush. Today, I admit, I’m a bit discouraged. The Moderates need to speak up; I’m getting tired of defending them.

I also think some Liberal Canadians are going to start to expect their Liberal leadership candidates to speak up versus appeasing Liberals in denial. We’ll see … maybe that party too far gone with their own pathological rot.

I'm with ET on this one. The more these events occur, the angrier I get with these murderous thugs.

It's time to stop the debate and take real action. I don't know about you folks, but I don't really appreciate people out there trying to kill me simply because I'm an infidel.

Everyone should take this as a personal threat and not something that just happens "over there".

Forget the "root causes", the "nuances" and the
"disproportionate responses" and meet the problem head-on. Once and for all.

jaymeister - 'fighting them over there so we won't have to fight them over here' does NOT mean that invading Iraq would draw all terrorists, like mechanical bees, into Iraq, so that we could 'wipe them out there'.

Fighting them over there means removing dictators over there, so that the basic cause of Islamic fascism will be removed.
The fact that the 'honeypot' image wasn't your idea is irrelevant; you promoted it on this discussion.

Why Iraq? Why not? It was a military dictatorship, dysfunctional because the size of its population required democracy - and - it had links to terrorists. So - it was one of the group that required change - and, as a military dictatorship, change couldn't develop internally.
Are you seriously suggesting that things would have been easier if the Coalition had invaded Saudi Arabia rather than Iraq? And you can't be assuming that SA would move, 'just like that' on its own into democracy, are you?? Without a war? Without conflict? That is a completely unprovable and logically untenable assumption.

The answer is no - it won't; it is a tribal regime and has no intention of moving into democracy. The movement to democratize has to come from within, from its people. It most certainly won't be 'top-down'. Can you imagine a hereditary tribal clan removing themselves from money and power???

What's the key source of terrorists? Iran, Syria, Pakistan. They are also the major source of the insurgents fighting to prevent the Iraqi people from having democracy and stability in Iraq.

What does 'disarm' have to do with setting up a democracy?

just like the 1930's all over again.

The failure by the west to stand up to mad dictators while they are too weak to be dangerous.

Cut to the chase - It's Iran that needs to be taken care of, and soon.

War is coming. Not the little gunfights that we have happening in Afghanistan or big gunfights like Lebanon, but really big, no holds barred stuff. Millions dead, WW2 style destruction + .

It will start when the whackjob running Iraq gets a nuke and blows Tel Aviv to ashes. No telling where it will end but Tehran won't exist anymore either.

The time for focused action is now, before the really bad stuff happens.

I don't think the West has the moral clarity or spine to do anything now and will only wake up after the hammer blow falls. Weakned by a blind press and spineless liberal and socialist political philosophies, the West just drifts along .

Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Ban Bob.
Over, and out.

What are police to do? If they catch terrorists they are accused of making up a plot for political reasons. If they fail, and a terrorist plot matures, then hundreds or thousands die.
There have been enough successful plots that it is best to err on the side of caution, and to assume that the police are telling the truth.

It was so hard being in a remote occassion in Northern Ontario fishing for a week. No SDA to tell me who to be afraid of, no SDA telling me who to hate....

jeff,

Great comments. Maybe that dummy that Kate has her hand up its arse could have 'maz2' embroidered on its cardigan.

Hey Don,

Go back. It was so nice to not hear from you complaining about nothing like a good little socialist mamby-pampy.

If you don't like SDA, ne clickez pas ice

Next up Darwin Airlines

No security. No line ups. No restrictions on carry on luggage.

Boarding passes not required.

LPC membership cards will do.

Please insure that your AK-47 is in the upright position and all RDX is placed in the overhead rack prior to takeoff.

Those passengers with return tickets may wish to make alternate arrangements prior to departure.

And I dont associate with the KKK becuase they are idiots who dont represent any view of mine and I have no trouble saying so, it isnt about anything being "out of context".

Afraid, of course they are afraid, look at Mr Fatah....

Hey backhoe, let's not ban Bob.

Better idea involves a backhoe, Bob and a gravel pit...