The United Nations is investigating a suspected child prostitution ring involving its peacekeepers and government soldiers in the Democratic Republic of Congo, the U.N. mission said on Thursday.Among accusations being investigated is that pimps are using the presence of U.N. peacekeepers to lure vulnerable girls to go and work as prostitutes in areas of South Kivu where they are deployed, the mission said in a statement.
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Last year, the U.N. barred peacekeepers in Congo from fraternizing with local people after investigations found some soldiers and civilian staff were guilty of rape and paedophilia including enticing hungry children with food or money in exchange for sex.
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Well, I have documented the UN's nearly-infinite perfidies and malfeasance until I was blue in the face:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1096037/posts
-"No Blood for Oil"- Kojo & Kofi: Unbelievable U.N. stories--
Why do you pretend to care? It's been pointed out repeatedly to you that Israel is one of the 10 worst nations for human trafficking and slavery. You give Israeli human trafficking a free pass, just like you give Israeli terrorism a free pass. So seriously, why do you pretend care about this?
who is the lead country on the peacekeeping mission in the congo?
who is the lead country on the peacekeeping mission in the congo?
Some dipshit wrote:
"Why do you pretend to care? It's been pointed out repeatedly to you that Israel is one of the 10 worst nations for human trafficking and slavery. You give Israeli human trafficking a free pass, just like you give Israeli terrorism a free pass. So seriously, why do you pretend care about this? "
Uh, ok Bob. You can go back to the rally now and leave the serious posters of this site in peace.
I would guess that the UN soldiers involved in this, probably come from a culture that accepts this type of behaviour. Probably AFRICAN UN peacekeepers. If that is the case, then nothing will come of it. If the Peacekeepers are not African, then hopefully the home countries will do something to stop it.
Some women in my family and friends attended an AIDS talk by Stephen Lewis in my Church. I would not go because of my bias that he’s so leftwing political that all he would do is blame Bush. The report I got back from them was that he was not political and that he laid the problems out and placed the blame exactly where it belongs without political correctness.
Lewis said the primary cause of AIDS in Africa is the attitude of men who think they can do anything want to women from 14 to 80 and not surprisingly they don’t wear condoms.
JamesHalfax is right; nothing will come of this because that’s just the way it works in Africa.
I have heard the same said about some of the Peacekeeping forces in Kosovo. Note that the US military, or none that I know of have been involved in any of that. It does tend to make one wonder whether the blue helmuts are a solution to a problem or ARE the problem.
"Some dipsh*t wrote:"
Nice.
"I would guess that the UN soldiers involved in this, probably come from a culture that accepts this type of behaviour. Probably AFRICAN UN peacekeepers."
Outstanding. The plain meaning of the above statement is that Africa is, according to James "Jimmy Pogey" Halifax, a pedophile culture. If we accept this premise for argument's sake then why does Canada allow tens of thousands of - allegedly - pedophilia tolerant Africans to immigrate to Canada every year?
"Lewis said the primary cause of AIDS in Africa is the attitude of men who think they can do anything want to women from 14 to 80 and not surprisingly they don’t wear condoms."
Yes, and he also said that married women in Africa are most at risk. According to you and your lover Stephen Lewis all African men are rapists and pedophiles; women are of course perfect little angels. To summarize: marriage and men bad, women and committment-free sex good. Down with men, abstinence, and marriage; up with women, women who bang everything that moves, and bastard children!
i understand bob's point of view. another example of your moral clarity (simple-mindedness). your only goal with this post is to plant more seeds in the minds of the typing heads that worship your every innuendo.
Bob - Why do you pretend to have a brain and anything worthwhile to add to the discussion? You appear to have neither. Please go way.
Richard, the UN itself is the problem. Its agenda has largely been hijacked by of all kinds of thug states who have as much say in that decrepit and discredited institution as the democracies. Look at that despicable, smooth talking snake, Kofi Annan, African, and up to his ying yang in the Oil for Food scam--his son too--among other indiscretions.
The UN has lost whatever moral authority it might have once had: It's pretty much a West-baiting, Israel-hating front for some of the most vile states on this earth. The UN needs a complete overhaul: I'd say no membership unless a country's a full-fledged, working democracy. And I say good on the USA for refusing to go along with the UN's dangerous and destabilizing hijinks.
jeff, you can go away too.
I hope we can ignore these two spoilsports: Once jeff takes over, the thread's a gonner. From now on, let's pretend we don't hear him.
looky: "Bob - Why do you pretend to have a brain and anything worthwhile to add to the discussion? You appear to have neither. Please go way."
Well, it looks like I've made another bulletproof, indomitable comment. Nothing but angry, angry insults in response to my factually accurate and rational comments only confirms that my commentary is head and shoulders above whatever you mendacious mediocrities can manage. I realize that it is fun to take out life's frustrations on SDA's last dissenting voice, but you need to understand that as long as you folks continue debasing yourselves by acting like angry monkeys I'll continue to win every single thread. Bonne chance!
Is bob a masochist? in a closet?
well lemme put it this way bobaroonie:
please cite some recongnized source for your assertion regarding Israeli slave trafficking. make it a good one. supermarket tabs dont count.
on t'other hand feel free to google 'modern slave trade' which pulls up mention of mozambique, sudan, west africa, etc in 1/10 of a second....
Bob lies. But Bob entertains.
Bob truth value = 0
Bob entertainment value = 10
We all need a laugh from time to time, so we should just let Bob post away.
Bob - "I've made another bulletproof, indomitable comment."
One of your best lines yet . . . absolutley hilarious.
robert j says: "please cite some recongnized source for your assertion regarding Israeli slave trafficking. make it a good one."
I already did, to a devastating degree, right here at SDA, recently. Don't pretend you didn't see it. Seach the archives here at SDA if you must but I've already posted a great deal of information on the subject. The onus is on you not to be ignorant, not on me to spoonfeed you what I've already spoonfed others.
p.s. people: 'Bob' is actually a bit of software written by a masturbatory geek who hates everyone and yearns to destroy the world but not before he boinks the elisha cuthbert lookalike next door.
so fret not !!!
Hey, that's right Bob, I've heard that too! My sources tell me the biggest clients for those Israeli trade goods are southern democrats and Hollywood movie moguls who need new gardeners(what with the US immigration situation). Apparently they come over in the holds of Paul Martin's ships!
Now back to our regularly scheduled semi-literate conversation...
aaaand it appears the software has some bugs in it for sure.....
we used to run a text echo game on a digital PDP 10 back in the 70s called Liza. it consisted of a huge loop recollecting and repeating statements input by previous programmers. it was part of the software package bundled with the system.
worked much the same as bobaroonie here, spouting the same old same old in a great huge loop with minor variation to simulate real time response.
Israel has significant anti-prostitution legislation it enforces. (These laws were tightened in 2001 and 2002). In accordance with a bill passed Feb. 7, 2002, convicted traffickers of women must serve a minimum jail term of two-and-a-half to four years. The bill, as described in a Jerusalem Post article the following day, applies to such crimes “committed here [in Israel] or abroad.” The law further states:
The Justice Ministry's legal aid department will represent the women. The department will look after their interests during the process of administrative detention and deportation and will help them press civil suits against their procurers ...According to the police, 60 suspects were arrested in 2001 on allegations of trafficking in women. (emphasis added, “Knesset panel sets minimum sentence for trafficking in women,” Feb. 8, 2002)
Bob makes no distinction between Israel’s intensified efforts to halt trafficking in women, and the rampant forced prostitution and inherited slavery that plague much of the world. By what criteria does Bob single out Israel and omit say the Sudan?
Since 1983, Sudan’s extremist Islamic government has killed over two million people and displaced over four million in fighting and slave raids conducted on a vast scale. In the course of enslaving the southern Dinka, Sudan has committed terrible acts of brutality. The U.N. Special Rapporteur on Torture cited the following Sudanese barbarities to the U.N.’s Commission on Human Rights: “cross amputation (i.e., the amputation of the right hand and left foot), death by hanging with crucifixion, and death by stoning.”
Bob, are you trying to say that Israel is not perfect? Who ever said it was? Just like Canada Israel has problems with crime and just like Canada, Israel uses its courts, laws and police to handle it.
Wow Bob have you just discovered that Jews aren't perfect? congratulations
Another TKO by Bob! I love the way he provides factually accurate information and rational argument, it's soooooo hott!!!!!! Notice how nobody ever wins arguments with him; they only grunt insults!!!! Wow, I sure feel privileged to read his powerful words and hope he continues to ignore the death threats and insults he receives here on a daily basis....
I remember LIZA! Started out as an preliminary exercise in AI in the 60s. Variations got ported out to Apple, TRS-80, the early IBMs too. Apparently an evolutionary dead end.
From my comments on May 17th 2006 in the post www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/003992.html:
Israel a Human Trafficking Haven
TEL AVIV, Israel — Human trafficking (search) is turning into a real problem in Israel, where law enforcement officials say women are bought and sold into the indentured servitude of the sex industry.
The women in question are usually from the former Soviet Union (search) and are traded by the Russian mob (search). The same Bedouins who smuggle weapons into Israel bring the women up through the Egyptian desert, oftentimes with a load of weapons.
"It's a kind of meat market. It's very brutal — most of this kind of auction," said Gadi Eshed of the Israel Police.
Thinking they are escaping the harsh conditions of home, a reported 3,000 prostitutes each year come to Israel. Their fist experience in the Holy Land is a forced march across the Egyptian desert, crossing the Israeli border through routes used to smuggle weapons and drugs.
"They have a big gun. If you not go like everybody, then maybe they kill you," said one woman.
foxnews.com/story/0,2933,129157,00.html
Israel women trafficking soars
Between 3,000 and 5,000 women have been smuggled into Israel in the past four years to work as prostitutes, according to a parliamentary inquiry.
The report described how the women are sold at public auctions for as much as $10,000 and forced to work up to 18 hours a day.
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Zehava Galon, of the opposition Yahad Party, presented the report to the speaker of the Knesset on Wednesday.
"We began this inquiry to investigate the extent of this phenomenon and raise political awareness of their plight and the brutal nature of the trafficking of women in this time of globalisation," said Ms Galon.
She said the biggest challenge in addressing the plight of women in the sex trade was changing the attitudes of the Israeli public and police.
The inquiry also criticised judges for passing light sentences, sometimes only community service, for men running prostitution rings.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4380067.stm
The Interior Minnistry is planning to expel some 15 women who were brought here to work as prostitutes and agreed to testify against the men who imported and sold them. The Justice Ministry, however, is planning to help them fight expulsion, through its department for legal assistance to the needy.
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Yasmin Keshet, the lawyer who is representing the victims, last week applied to the Interior Ministry on behalf of a 19-year-old from the Ukraine, who infiltrated into Israel via Egypt. She grew up with an alcoholic mother and a stepfather who abused her and agreed to come to Israel as a prostitute. According to the charge sheet against her procurers, she was sold at a Tel Aviv parking lot to the owner of an escort agency, where she worked without being paid, ostensibly to pay for her travel expenses to Israel.
www.theawarenesscenter.org/Sholkin_Grig.html#Interior
Although official statistics are not available, it is widely believed that in the past few years thousands of women, including some girls, from FSU countries have been trafficked to Israel to work in the sex industry.
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Tatiana arrived in Israel from Belarus in April 1998 on a tourist visa. She had been promised a job working 12 hours a day as a cleaner in a hotel in the resort of Eilat. She was told the job would pay her enough to support her mother and her six-year-old son.
Tatiana was met in Eilat by a man pretending to be from the hotel where she was to be employed. He took her to a brothel, where she was forced to work in the sex industry against her will and told that she would have to repay her ''sale price'' and the travel costs.
Tatiana made various plans to escape. She was finally released from the brothel after a police raid -- a friend of hers had contacted the Belarus Consulate who contacted the police. Tatiana was taken into custody as an illegal immigrant and detained in Neve Tirza Prison awaiting deportation.
Three days after her arrest, Tatiana found an anonymous note on her prison bunk threatening to kill her and punish her family if she spoke out about what had happened to her. Tatiana wanted to testify against her captors in Eilat, but she was terrified that if she did so and was returned to Belarus the traffickers would meet her at the airport or come to her home, since they knew all her passport details and the address of her family.
web.amnesty.org/library/Index/engMDE150172000
CAPITOL HILL, Washington D.C., April 25 (IslamOnline) - Witnesses testifying before the Congressional Committee on International Relations’ subcommittee on International Operations and Human Rights Wednesday slammed the U.S., United Nations, and Israeli officials for directly participating in trafficking human beings, specifically women and young girls, for the sex industry in Bosnia and Israel and involvement in what witnesses and congress members classified as “the rapes of women and children.”
www.islam-online.net/english/News/2002-04/25/article67.shtml
Study shows women trafficking convicts receive light jail terms
By Ruth Sinai, Haaretz Correspondent
During the course of 2005, human traffickers who forced women to engage in prostitution have received an average prison sentence of five to six years despite the 16-year maximum sentence afforded by the law, a new report reveals Thursday.
The authors also criticize the fact that women's claims against the traffickers need to be submitted to labor courts.
"Prostitution which takes place within the framework of human trafficking is not work, but slavery," the report said.
haaretz.com/hasen/spages/715013.html
Human Trafficking in the Construction Sector in Israel
Speech presented at the OSCE conference on trafficking for labor exploitation
For more then a decade, Israel allows the entry of thousands of migrant workers for work in the construction sector. These workers come from countries such as China, Romania, Bulgaria and Turkey. In many cases, these workers experience work conditions which amount to "practices similar to slavery".
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The highest recruitment fees are being collected from Chinese workers. What's even more alarming is that these fees are being collected with the blessing of the Chinese government. In a discussion which took place at the Knesset Committee on Migrant Workers on June 1, 2003, a representative of the Chinese Embassy in Israel admitted that the Chinese authorities allow local manpower agencies to collect over 3,000$ for arranging visas abroad (supposedly because they are responsible for keeping the worker's rights in Israel). In practice, Chinese Migrant workers pay these days up to 12,000$ for the "privilege" of working in Israel. Hence, Kav LaOved has recently appealed to Israeli authorities in demand that no Chinese workers would be allowed into Israel.
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There are also documented cases, in which employers and manpower agencies coercively took employees to the airport and put them on planes back to their home countries, so that they could bring substitute workers to Israel, and collect additional Recruitment Fees.
kavlaoved.org.il/katava_main.asp?news_id=1609&sivug_id=3
nomdenet, it's all very well that Stephen Lewis said, "the primary cause of AIDS in Africa is the attitude of men who think they can do anything [they] want to women from 14 to 80 and not surprisingly they don’t wear condoms," but that is to deny the ability of African cultures to change. What he said is fine as far as it goes, but it doesn't go far enough.
A fact that Stephen Lewis has completely ignored, as far as I can see, and I've seen him interviewed on CBC and quoted in the Star, G&M, and the NP, is the Ugandans' success in lowering the rate of HIV/AIDS in their country. They've done it by launching a massive abstinence and monogamy in marriage campaign and it's working.
Abstinence will not pass Stephen Lewis' lips, unless it's to sneer, jeer, and leer at those who suggest it. I wonder if he was one of the mockers of Bill and Melinda Gates when they emphasized the importance of abstinence and self-control in eradicating this disease?
To ignore abstinence and to suggest that Africans are incapable of self-control--which is what Stephen Lewis and his ilk do when they pooh-pooh abstinence programs--is retrograde. Stephen Lewis becomes part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
When are socialist-leaning, feminist supporting, "useful" and gullible idiots like Stephen Lewis going to wake up, smell the coffee, and begin to use more than the leftie-party line to solve one of the most massive health epidemics raging in the world today? His wife is uber-feminist/journalist Michele Landsberg, his son is ex-CBC presenter Avi Lewis (always from the left), and his daughter-in-law is ultra-feminist Naomi Klein. No biases here, right?
Stephen Lewis is falling right into the clutches of the pharmaceutical companies when he refuses to acknowledge the importance--and possibility--of abstinence as an effective and INEXPENSIVE tactic to ward off HIV/AIDS in poverty-stricken parts of the world (not to mention, right here in North America).
I'd like to know if he's got shares in any pharmaceutical companies, because he sure as heck is promoting their products: condoms and all the HIV/AIDS medications once the condoms haven't worked.
nomdenet, it's all very well that Stephen Lewis said, "the primary cause of AIDS in Africa is the attitude of men who think they can do anything [they] want to women from 14 to 80 and not surprisingly they don’t wear condoms," but that is to deny the ability of African cultures to change. What he said is fine as far as it goes, but it doesn't go far enough.
A fact that Stephen Lewis has completely ignored, as far as I can see, and I've seen him interviewed on CBC and quoted in the Star, G&M, and the NP, is the Ugandans' success in lowering the rate of HIV/AIDS in their country. They've done it by launching a massive abstinence and monogamy in marriage campaign and it's working.
Abstinence will not pass Stephen Lewis' lips, unless it's to sneer, jeer, and leer at those who suggest it. I wonder if he was one of the mockers of Bill and Melinda Gates when they emphasized the importance of abstinence and self-control in eradicating this disease?
To ignore abstinence and to suggest that Africans are incapable of self-control--which is what Stephen Lewis and his ilk do when they pooh-pooh abstinence programs--is retrograde. Stephen Lewis becomes part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
When are socialist-leaning, feminist supporting, "useful" and gullible idiots like Stephen Lewis going to wake up, smell the coffee, and begin to use more than the leftie-party line to solve one of the most massive health epidemics raging in the world today? His wife is uber-feminist/journalist Michele Landsberg, his son is ex-CBC presenter Avi Lewis (always from the left), and his daughter-in-law is ultra-feminist Naomi Klein. No biases here, right?
Stephen Lewis is falling right into the clutches of the pharmaceutical companies when he refuses to acknowledge the importance--and possibility--of abstinence as an effective and INEXPENSIVE tactic to ward off HIV/AIDS in poverty-stricken parts of the world (not to mention, right here in North America).
I'd like to know if he's got shares in any pharmaceutical companies, because he sure as heck is promoting their products: condoms and all the HIV/AIDS medications once the condoms haven't worked.
When I got back from my run, I thought the thread may have wound its way back to the UN.
I'd like to hear more about that.
The UN efort on AIDS in Africa. Would SOMEONE please tell me why AIDS/HIV in Africa is my problem. They refuse to use condoms, they refuse to be circumsized, they tend to screw around a lot and then they claim it's the West's problem to fix.
Yet the UN led by Lewis attempt to lay major guilt on Canadians including Harper's government for not doing more i.e. send money, not prayers. Lewis and his new best friend Clinton say "but it's for the kids" which is the usual phrase used by everyone from Childfind to school trustees.
I'm sick of it....Africa, please fix YOUR problem.
"I mean, it's a recipe for disaster."
Gen.MacKenzie on UN in Lebanon.....
"In an interview with BBC Radio 4's Today programme, General MacKenzie said that he expected it to take a year before the UN force was operational - and it would be hamstrung by a mandate, under Chapter 6 of the UN Charter rather than the more robust Chapter 7, that would allow it to use lethal force only in self-defence.
"We all understand that what comes out of the Security Council is the lowest common denominator for the best-case scenario. What will happen is the worst-case scenario and the UN will be ill-prepared to cope with it," he said.
"I understand that the UN commander will have to get approval from the Lebanese chain of command before he can use deadly force. I mean, it's a recipe for disaster."
General MacKenzie also warned that the lack of a proper mandate could see a repeat of the tragedies of Rwanda or Srebrenica, where UN commanders lacked the authority to prevent atrocities.
He said: "What will happen is that the UN commander, much like General Dallaire in Rwanda, will come back to the UN for permission to intervene and use force, and the UN will turn him down, and then the international community will condemn the commander for not doing what the international community thinks he should be doing.
"But if they read the fine print of the resolution it will be quite clear that he does not have does not have the authority to proceed." ...-
newsbeat1.com
The UN is set up as an unaccountable bureaucracy, which means its members are 'hereditary' or unelected. And, the members are not accountable to anyone - neither to their national populations nor to the other states. This is, right from the start, an unworkable system. It is unworkable because it has no accountability, either to a leader, to a rule of law or to a home population. It is unnatural and inherently unworkable.
It rapidly, as in the famous Lord of the Flies, moved into a system operating by force rather than the rule of law. I now think it should be disbanded. The enormous funds paid to it by the democratic states would be far better spent on direct funds to needy populations, rather than to the UN bureaucracies that take up 80% of that money, for their own high-living corrupt lifestyles.
Compare other associations of states - such as NATO, which accomplishes far more, and faster without funding of corrupt bureaucrats. Kyoto for example, is a UN project; it is a money laundering scheme and has zilch to to with pollution control. But the Asia-Pacific association, which includes the US and China, is directly focused on pollution control. And it isn't run by the UN.
With regard to AIDS - it has moved out of being focused on a cure for the disease and into a political weapon against the West. Indeed, I'll suggest that this move heralds the end of a solution to AIDS, for the political followers must ensure the ongoing maintenance of the disease, to ensure their use of it for political purposes.
Lewis's moving AIDS into the realm of the feminists is a dead-end, for the basic problem in Africa isn't psychological, ie the 'arrogant nature of men'. It's political. The political systems of Africa are all, if I may use the dreaded 'T' word - tribal. They are based on their original economic mode, which was both pastoral nomadic (based around herding of animals) and horticultural (peasant agriculture). The men are privileged in these economies because they supply the food; it's as simple as that.
So- the feminists are going to go all 'gung ho' about the psychological nature of men in Africa - which won't accomplish a thing - and the real problem that requires change, is the poltiical system of tribalism.
Notice how feminists say nothing about Islamic tribalism, which also denigrates women, and which is also political. But, the feminists say nothing about the psychological nature of Islamic men, nor about the political nature of Muslim states. Hmmm.
Re military operations, I once heard Lew MacKenzie say, "Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way."
As the UN is incapable of anything approaching effective leadership and as it follows orders from all the wrong states, I think the UN should get the hell out of the way.
I wish . . .
I want to agree that it is africas problem. I laugh when they blame all their problems on Imperialism etc. Yes all we did was build roads and schools etc etc. Oh what have you done since, nothing! Also we have been out of africa for over 50 years now. Get on with solving your own problems. I think that they won't because they don't have to after all we keep it afloat by just giving more money.
Boy, and some CDNs like to be reminded of their "peace keeping" myth!
MacKenzie's outline of the proposed UN force is accurate. It will be worse than useless, for it will act as a cover, hiding reality.
The reality will be that the UN force 'standing by' up front in the area will enable an enormous activity behind this UN cover. Hezbollah will re-arm and Iran-Syria will, with ease, consolidate their arms, force and plans for the area - and start a more massive war in six months.
"The men are privileged in these economies because they supply the food; it's as simple as that."
In many African countries the women do a large part of the agricultural work.
Fightin' Irish are set to stay out of:
Kofi Annan's UN War Against Israel. ...-
Ireland likely to refuse UN peacekeepers call
Irish Independent - 12 hours ago
IRELAND is set to turn down, for the first time, a United Nations call for peacekeeping troops following intelligence that there is little prospect of a permanent ceasefire in Lebanon and that the Hizbollah will refuse to disarm. ...
leftist- that's NOW, with the loss of the men and labour force, and the changing economy. The ideology of a people takes generations to change, and the old ideology is still very strong.
I think that nations should refuse the UN request for military, since the mandate, as MacKenzie points out, sets the force up to not merely be useless, but to act as a cover for Hezbollah re-armament.
A quote on language to get rid of the bad taste in my mouth after having caught up on a couple of thread's worth of comments:
"Political language — and with variations this is true of all political parties, from Conservatives to Anarchists — is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind."
George Orwell, Politics and the English Language (1946)
agitfact - The symbolic nature of language, which means that the relation between the word or phrase and the meaning is arbitrarily assigned, is a fact of language. It is both harmful and immensefly beneficial to our species.
It means that we have the capacity to lie, for we can openly deny that there is a relation. If we try to establish a relation: did you murder this person?, then I can deny the relation. Or, I can assert that there is a relation when none exists. The MSM asserted that Stephen Harper doesn't hug his children and arbitrarily assigned a meaning - that he doesn't love them.
And, it also means that we can come up with more valid relations. So, we can relate a disease to the number of times we see a black cat. Or, we can relate a disease to its symptoms and come up with the notion of a bacterial cause.
My point is only that this arbitrary capacity of language isn't confined to politics; it's in the nature of language. The real question is the ethics of a system.
Is the UN involved in an ethical, or accountable proposal in Lebanon?
Block I think agitfact is accidentally agreeing with you.
Clever usage of “political language” is what Stephen Lewis was doing in my Church full of mostly women. Appealing to their feminism. He collected a lot of donations that day by blaming African men – and men are certainly a problem. But he was not focusing on the “tribal” political problems in Africa he was focusing on the politics of men.
Africa needs the implementation of the Bush Doctrine to bring democracy and property rights so that all citizens, not just the despots, can participate in the global economy. A middle class needs to be created. Ditto Lebanon and the whole ME region.
The UN has already been in Lebanon for 28 years, as UNFIL. Other than more hands to unload HezB rockets, what purpose will 15,000 more serve? The Lebanese army says they will not disarm Hezballah in S.Leb. The Lebanese Army says this was the LAST peace treaty they will sign with Israel. Won't be surprising to see the UN routed out of there again within the month.
Wow, I think that was the first time I've read anything from Agitfact that I could whole-heartedly agree with. The whole political spectrum is full of (to paraphrase Twain) liars, damn liars and political pundits.
...and then, of course, worse than that, are the lawyers and journalists.
(Sorry...off-topic)
"leftist- that's NOW, with the loss of the men and labour force, and the changing economy. The ideology of a people takes generations to change, and the old ideology is still very strong."
No, I think it's been the traditional pattern. This is, of course, only one study, but it's worth considering: "In the predominantly agricultural regions of Uganda, women do not share proportionately in the surplus income from their own labour. While they do most of the agricultural work, their husbands often control the income that accrues from the produce, the traditional rationale being that both the woman and the natural resources such as land belong to the man and that the woman can only work and manage resources such as coffee estates, banana farms, etc., on behalf of the head of the family who is the man (Tibeijuka 1997)." In other words, it's not who does the work but who owns the land, etc.
many paeleontologists assert human species originated in africa.
sooooo theyve had 1,000,000 years to get it right.
any signs of progress there mr aids squawker?
RobertJ, who are you talking to? Who is "mr aids squawker"?
Robert J. Liberal said: "well lemme put it this way bobaroonie: please cite some recongnized source for your assertion regarding Israeli slave trafficking. make it a good one. supermarket tabs dont count."
Hi Robert J. Done and done. If you scroll up you'll see I've posted an extremely large amount of information supporting my factually accurate claim that Israel is a hotbed of human trafficking and slavery, as you requested. I made sure to include a link from Fox News, just for you. This is relevant to this thread because it is illogical to care about the UN's human rights issues when one ignores Israeli human trafficking.
there are political bigwigs in ahfreakah right now who claim the indicated treatment for aids has something to do with garlic and lemon juice. I didnt look that closely for obvious reasons.
aids squawkers are the mouthpieces that sqwawk and squawk about aids but actual do nothing.
any continent that still practices female circumcision definitely need a, ummm, 'upgrade' of some sort which hopefully includes addressing other societal attitudinal deficiencies.
so now Im a liberal too.
a cummuniiiist, now a liberal, any other labels you people want to slap on? better hurry, running out of room on my denim vest.
Bob relies on Fox news. theres a switch!!!
well Bob statistical probability has been confirmed. you have actually finally posted something useful and important. I will be checking into this Israel slave market story forthwith.
you'd think after that Moses-Egypt-40yrs thing the Jews would be a little more sensitive to the problem.
Finally, A deletion debate record….
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/United Democratic Nations
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The result of the debate was Delete. (aeropagitica) 20:43, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
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United Democratic Nations
Delete. This organization does not exist, and external links are to the author's personal pages. Stephen Gilbert 16:51, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Delete per nom. Fiction. Slowmover 17:02, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Delete per nom, WP:NFT. [1]. PJM 17:34, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Delete as fiction, WP:NFT. --Kinu t/c 17:44, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Delete a pipe-dream of some nut who thinks his organization is going to replace the UN. --djrobgordon 18:09, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Delete as net.kookery. --BWD (talk) 19:48, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Delete WP is not for things made up in school one day. (aeropagitica) 21:28, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Delete as WP:NFT per Mr. Pagitica. Kuru talk 02:46, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
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**Delete a pipe-dream of some nut who thinks his organization is going to replace the UN. --djrobgordon 18:09, 13 March 2006 (UTC) **
United Democratic Nations is merely a proposed title name for a possible alternate entity for the presently troubled United Nations. Ambassador Bolten himself suggested the need for same. http://tinyurl.com/psdhw
DirobGordon imagines that suggestion of this name, UDN, somehow makes me :
[1] **some nut **
[2] ** an organization owner **
[3] ** someone who hopes to replace the UN **
One has to wonder about the emotional maturity of persons wielding destructive power at WP.
Does this mean that any constructive or original proposal is automatically destroyed?
Guess I should be flattered that someone could think I owned an organization called United Democratic Nations and that my personal organization could replace the UN. = TG
Another fun project. Nothing like notoriety.
leftist - your quotation supports my view that the men are privileged because the economic viability rests with them - This 'modern economy', based around market sale of crops, which privileges the men, is directly embedded in the old traditional African economies of the area.
The old African economies privileged the men, because they 'brought home the bacon', so to speak. They did this either by the labour of looking after the animals, or, the labour of clearing the land, first crop planting (weeding, gathering etc were women's work). The rights to land use were focused in the men, who had to protect those rights against others. Land ownership came later; traditional economies were based around the rights to land usage.
And women weren't the 'property' of men, in the Western sense of property. The extended (not nuclear) family was an economic unit. Women coming into the family ensured the continuity of that economic unit. That's why a 'bride price' was always paid to the family/economic unit that lost that woman. This doesn't mean that the woman is 'property'; it means that her birth family lost both her work and above all, her reproductive capacities.
The point is, that AIDS in Africa is not a problem of the 'psychological nature of men', which feminists assume to be 'patriarchal, domineering, blah blah. It is a political problem of a non-industrial society that privileged the men for their economic role. That takes time to change, and will only change when the economy enables economic strength from both genders. And, when the political rhetoric promotes this type of economy.