Caught On Camera

The photos posted are a bit difficult to interpret, but they seem to show Soviet era 2x23mm anti-aircraft mounts as opposed to rocket launchers. Are there other photos to be shown?

Also related to this topic see:

http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2200

AND

http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/07/31/israel-resumes-the-fight/

There is now also the Hezbollywood posing of a dead child in the rubble of that building and the parading of her body around over several hours.

Simply abhorable.

There are several more links at Michelle Malkin's and LGF's blogs to the alleged Qana massacre.

andycanuck:

Are these the links you're referring to?:

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005640.htm

AND

http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/188571.php

AND

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2006/07/a_tyre_for_qana.html

(h/t: andycanuck's above post ;))

Also see this link, interesting stuff about the guy in the photos?:

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/07/who-is-this-man.html

They must get their tin foil from the same place as the 9/11 conspiracists.

The death of these Lebaneese people including children is a tradgedy, not a crime, not a planned act of horror, not a sideshow, just a tradgedy of war.
Their death is a result of terrorists tactics by Hezbollah who hide and fight like cowards behind children, not by a free and democratic country fighting for its own existence.
Israel has lived with the threat of terrorist attacks from these kinds of factions for so long but they still have the guts and determination to finish what they started.
They cannot and should not allow Hezbollah to claim victory for their cowardly terrorists actions.

Jaymeister,

You might want to Google "pattern recognition". Just as a lark, see if you can figure out how others perceive you.

I am breathlessly awaiting the 9/11 conspiracy experts on building demolition for their take on how a building falls 8 hours after being bombed. And why no one thought to leave.

Act 556754

Scene 1

Time Midnight (dark)

Light up the sky. Take to helicopters (make 3 look like a hundred).

8 hours later (light)

Scene 2

Have a building collapse ...

Ward, what exactly don't you understand about 8 F**KING hours later. For F**Ksakes I need some people I can work with.

Here's a really amazing video posted in one of the other comment sections which is extremely relevant to the potential faking of the Qana bombing...
http://www.siamlady.com/Movies/Pallywood.wmv
Posted by: one of the other greg's at August 1, 2006 12:52 AM

Islam: Cult of Death/Thanatos*.

Allah is the god of death; Mohammed is the prophet of the god of death. ...-

Hizballah's Body Handler Photographed in 1996

EU Referendum has an update on the Hizballah “rescue worker” in the green helmet, the guy who paraded around with children’s bodies for hours at Qana, posing them for photographers.

Turns out that Green Helmet Guy must be the official Hizballah body handler; he has a history of turning up at attack sites and putting on ghoulish shows. EU Referendum found a photo from 1996, apparently showing the same person displaying another dead child to photographers: Who Is This Man? (WARNING: Graphic images.)
04:53 PM PDT
link at LGF

* Thanatos, the god of Death; a child of Nix (Night) and the brother of Hypnos (Sleep).

How many Conservative MPs opposed to the CPC's foreign policy are ready to leave the Conservative caucus?

Off the top of my head I can think of two CPC MPs who are candidates for the high jump:

Vic Toews: A Mennonite who is the son of Mennonite missionaries. What is a Mennonite?

"The Mennonites are a group of Christian Anabaptist denominations named after and influenced by the teachings and tradition of Menno Simons (1496-1561). As one of the historic peace churches, Mennonites are committed to non-violence, non-resistance, and pacifism."

It's highly unlikely Vic Toews is comfortable with the CPC's position on Palestine, which is the most pro-Israel position in the world.

Carol Skelton: Carol is a former Red Cross relief worker. Not only have Israelis been targeting Red Cross vehicles on a consistent basis, but not a few observers have noted that the precision missles used to attack the ambulances appear to have used the red cross emblem on the roof as a target, and have scored a direct hit on a number of occasions. The Israelis' daily claims of daily "mistakes" resulting in dead children, Canadians, relief workers, and other innocents cannot reasonably be believed anymore.

For the record, I never believed the Bush-Harper meme and fail to see much linkage between the two, and I still don't believe he gets his marching orders for the White House. Having said that, Harper's recent foreign policy failures are so spectualar in magnitude and incongruent with his record of near-flawless campaigning and governing that it is entirely logical to speculate whether it reflects his true beliefs and he is being either enticed or otherwise persuaded to take foreign policy positions which, whether right or wrong, unambiguously harm Canada's national security.

The essence of intelligence is to process incomplete data and form a hypothesis. Creating order from chaos.

Like questioning what happened at Quana, or on 9/11, for example.

Somewhere along the line the name for this excercise changed from "The Scientific Method" (which was banned in politically correct Canada back in 1993) to "conspiracy theory making". It is an abdication of reason to buy what the Bush administration and its various wingmen are selling, and it is the duty of those who are blessed with the ability to discern spit from shinola to debunk their nonsense. It's also quite fun.

Bob said: "Like questioning what happened at Quana, or on 9/11, for example." ...-

'Disabled children placed inside building'

"We have it from a credible source that Hizbullah, alarmed by Siniora's plan, has concocted an incident that would help thwart the negotiations.
Knowing full well that Israel will not hesitate to bombard civilian targets, Hizbullah gunmen placed a rocket launcher on the roof in Qana and brought disabled children inside, in a bid to provoke a response by the Israeli Air Force. In this way, they were planning to take advantage of the death of innocents and curtail the negotiation initiative," the site stated.

The site's editors also claimed that not only did Hizbullah stage the event, but that it also chose Qana for a specific reason: "They used Qana because the village had already turned into a symbol for massacring innocent civilians, and so they set up 'Qana 2'." Notably, the incident has indeed been dubbed "The second Qana massacre" by the Arab media. ...
voy forums ... more:

Photos that damn Hezbollah

Chris Link

July 30, 2006 12:00am
Article from: Sunday Herald Sun

THIS is the picture that damns Hezbollah. It is one of several, smuggled from behind Lebanon's battle lines, showing that Hezbollah is waging war amid suburbia.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,,19955774-5007220,00.html

A sneaking suspicion is oozing from Bob's comments.

Is Bob a paid shill for the Librano$/NDP Socialist Party of Toronto?

But, there is no nuance, a la Bill Graham in Bob's message.

Bob's message seems to be: Bob supports hezbollah.

Is Bob saying that the Joos are bribing Mr. Harper? Does Bob love the death cult/religion, aka Islam? Is Bob an agent provocateur for hezbollah?

Is Bob anti-Jewish, anti-Israel? Come out, Bob. ...-

Bob said:"Harper's recent foreign policy failures are so spectualar in magnitude and incongruent with his record of near-flawless campaigning and governing that it is entirely logical to speculate whether it reflects his true beliefs and he is being either enticed or otherwise persuaded to take foreign policy positions which, whether right or wrong, unambiguously harm Canada's national security."

VANCOUVER (CP) - More than 1,000 people at a Vancouver synagogue gave Prime Minister Stephen Harper's support for Israel a standing ovation on Monday.

Unfortunately, these pics only 'damn Hezbollah' in the eyes of those who ALREADY appreciate the situation.

The 'Canada should remain neutral/unbiased/impartial' types, (who would probably support Clifford Olson, because "The murdered kids outnumbered him 10-1, and it was ASYMMETRICAL killing), and the 'Israel=BUSH' ranters who believe all killing is justified, EXCEPT when the West is doing it, will either ignore/scoff at the photos, or continue to cheer for Hezbollah regardless.

Mazbot2000 spammed: "A sneaking suspicion is oozing from Bob's comments."

I'm so surprised to see you write something that could conceivable pass the Turing test that I'll gladly respond to your eminently reasonable questions:

"Is Bob a paid shill for the Librano$/NDP Socialist Party of Toronto?"

No, Bob has made many pro-Harper/CPC comments right here at SDA. He's one of the majority of Canadians who oppose Harper's foreign policy choices, see "Only 32% back PM on Mideast" for reference. Bob dislikes Libranos, NDP, socialism, and Toronto and has commented to that effect repeatedly.

"But, there is no nuance, a la Bill Graham in Bob's message."

Bill Graham is repulsive.

"Bob's message seems to be: Bob supports hezbollah."

No, Bob does not support Hezbollah. Bob supports a two-state solution, replete with security fences and Israel's inherent right to defend itself. Regrettably, neither side realistically endorses this solution, and any claim to the contrary is factually inaccurate.

"Is Bob saying that the Joos are bribing Mr. Harper?"

Elections Canada caps the amount a party can spend in an election. The Conservatives warchest is overflowing, and its support base is remarkably broad. They will raise and spend the max without needing the support of any interest group. Even the Liberals spent the max last election. Since any hypothetical increase in financial support via an interest group would be in excess of what the CPC will raise anyway under a cap, the financial benefit appears to be slim to none. So to answer your question, no. And the fact that Muslims outnumber Jews 2-1 in Canada makes it unlikely Harper's stance has gained him votes.

"Does Bob love the death cult/religion, aka Islam?"

I've already pointed out that Muslims are the only religious segment of society in Canada with a fertility rate sufficient to prevent extinction and as such cannot reasonably be desribed as a death cult.

"Is Bob an agent provocateur for hezbollah?"

No, although since you raised the subject may I direct you to this article in the conservative Times:

Israel backed by army of cyber-soldiers

"WHILE Israel fights Hezbollah with tanks and aircraft, its supporters are campaigning on the internet.

Israel’s Government has thrown its weight behind efforts by supporters to counter what it believes to be negative bias and a tide of pro-Arab propaganda. The Foreign Ministry has ordered trainee diplomats to track websites and chatrooms so that networks of US and European groups with hundreds of thousands of Jewish activists can place supportive messages.
...
A student team in Jerusalem combs the web in a host of different languages to flag the sites so that those who have signed up can influence an opinion survey or the course of a debate."

******************************

"Is Bob anti-Jewish"

No, and I've posted pro-Jewish sentiments right here at SDA as recently as yesterday. I'm pro-religion; truth be told, it's the atheists who freak me out a little bit these days.

"anti-Israel?"

It appears 68% of my fellow citizens don't support Harper on this issue, see recent poll. Can't say I'm thrilled by some of their recent actions, but as noted above I support not only the existence of state of Israel, I also support their right to defend themselves, build security fences, and even take an innovative approach to civil liberties in a tradeoff for security, within the context of a two-state agreement. And if that dream were our present reality, I and about 68% of Canadians would buy that Israel is acting purely in self defense.

"Come out, Bob. ...-

My pleasure, Maz-bot.

Nemo 2 said: "The 'Canada should remain neutral/unbiased/impartial' types,..."

The ankle-biters will be out today in Ottawa; off their leashes, continuing Kofi Annan's War Against Israel.

The pooper-scoopers will runneth over on Parliament Hill, Ottawa.

The Headline: Pooper Scoopers Filled to Overflowing by Librano$/NDP Socialist Party. ...-

Watch/listen to the nuance from Willy "Hans Off" Graham and the Islamist appeasers/pacifists; the PPG will be brutal.

Willy Graham and pals will have the feathers in their mouths; feathers of nuance, aka UNance.

Here is Nuance Willy Graham: "Mr. Harper is proud of the fact he wasn't nuanced about this," Graham said. "Nuance has kept us in a position where we could help. Lose the nuance and you lose your capacity to act and help others . . . .we lose our position to work with moderates." ...-

MacKay to face grilling by MPs
Toronto Star - 5 hours ago
MONTREAL—The federal cabinet's powerful operations committee will meet today to discuss Canada's response to the escalating Middle East war, as Foreign Affairs Minister Peter MacKay submits to an opposition grilling at a specially convened Commons ...

Yawn! Wake me when we're in Syria and Iran.

"bob":
You're in good company.
Most everyone, including Isreal and the US, supports a "two state solution". It hasn't happened because the Arabs and Palestinians don't support it.
This could have been implemented decades ago, simply by slicing off the chunks of Lebanon and neighboring areas that are already mostly Palestinian and calling it Palestine.
Why hasn't this been proposed and implemented to solve this insanity? Because the goal is not two states, it is the destruction of Isreal, and always has been.
There. Does foreign policy supporting Isreal make sense now?

Kate

Note to self, if the evidence you can muster up to prove a point is PATHETIC, it is better to say nothing- you actually look more credible.

Those "pictures" of Hezbollah fighters are a joke- two of them are the same shot and the other a guy with a gun that hardly looks like DOWNTOWN. So sad you can't edit yourself.

maz2: What Mr Graham appears not to recognize is that 'moderates' don't NEED to be 'worked with'.

SteveV: Are you volunteering to smuggle out more 'credible' pics?

I think the 'civilian' issue is problematic. The terrorist war is carried out by civilians-who-are-terrorists. Then, there are civilians-who-are-not-terrorists.

Since the primary attribute of both is that they are civilians, then, how is a military force, whose members are by definition, NOT civilians, supposed to differentiate between the two types of civilians?

Perhaps the answer is obvious to some; I, for one, can't differentiate between the two, with ease. Remember the neighbours of all the various suicide bombers, refer to them as 'But, they were nice boys'. So?

Mad Mike - I'm not sure if you are aware, but, our global government, whether it exists or not, can't go around 'slicing parts off sovereign states' and then, with glue, attaching them together to form a new state. I'm not sure that Lebanon or Jordan would be willing to give up their territory - just as Canada is not willing to give up its north to Denmark.

Certainly, Arafat rejected the two state solution, because he would instantly lose power. I don't think that the Palestinians had the opportunity to debate or vote on his actions. And, Israel's actions of occupation and the massive settlement of those lands, were not conducive to a two-state solution. Remember, Israel didn't recognize a Palestinian state either.

But this current Hezbollah/Hamas fight has nothing to do with the Palestinians. It's all about Iran's ambitions to be Emperior of a new Persian Empire in the ME. Iran is, like those civilians-who-are-terrorists, also hiding behind a screen. It's using Hezbollah and Hamas as its cover - but - what it wants, is to provoke a full scale war in the region.

It is also, I speculate, assuming that it can use a nuclear weapon, but that the US would never use one. Therefore, ..and this is pure speculation..possibly working for a situation where the other ME states attack Israel, where Israel then attacks them..and it hopes the West will also move onside with Israel. Then, Iran would move in...and pick up the pieces. Pure, absolute speculation. But the key lines are: Iran's ambitions in the ME, its attempt to achieve these ambitions by proxy, by having the ME degenerate into a set of weakened ME states, and then, a negotiated 'peace' where Iran becomes dominant.

I don't think it will happen, because Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iraq, are extremely worried about Iran. They don't want to be under a Persian rule.

And, the rest of the world, has to allow Israel to be its proxy for it - and allow Israel to 'beat back Iran'.

Any validity to these speculations?

"Most everyone, including Isreal and the US, supports a "two state solution"."

As previously noted, this is factually inaccurate.

If you wish to spread factually inaccurate information, "Mad Mike", on behalf of a foreign government in a matter that jeopardizes national security mere days after said government killed a Canadian soldier under cloudy circumstances, then please, be my guest. It will help sort out who is on Canada's side, and who is not.

Likud doesn't support a two state plan and never did. The amount of asterisks affixed to the support of Likud's successor (the current Kadima government) of a 2 state solution makes it a joke, even if one were to take it at face value. From their platform:

"The Israeli national agenda to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and achieve two states for two nations will be the road map. It will be carried out in stages: dismantling terror organizations, collecting firearms, implementing security reforms in the Palestinian Authority, and preventing incitement. At the end of the process, a demilitarized Palestinian state devoid of terror will be established."

Right, and my support of a socialist utopia will be carried out in the folliwng stages: threesome with the Olson twins, donkeys attain flight, and hell freezes over.

Governments claim they support certain policies with varying degrees of earnetsness all the of time; I am under no obligation to take the government of any foreign nation at face value.

The Arab League has advocated a much less qualified 2 state solution. The fact that Fatah was about to hold a referendum on a 2 state solution endorsed by Israeli-jailed Palestinian extremist leaders from Hamas prior to hostilities breaking out is, of course, merely a coincidence.

Nemo

I would do that, but normally I don't travel to areas where atrocities are taking place. Admit it, those pictures are ridiculous and for anyone to trump that is evidence only speaks to the weakness of their argument.

bob- I agree with you that the idea of completely disarming the Palestinians, after a generation of occupation as well as Arafat - which occupation and Arafat's agenda brainwashed them into a seething hatred of Israel - is almost a deliberate stonewall.

I also have my doubts that Israel will accept a two-state solution; many of them are in support, but many also subscribe to the myth that the land was empty when they arrived, that all Palestinians are 'really Jordanians' and so on.

However, I think the world is realizing that there is no other solution possible.

Your statement that the Israelis killed a Canadian soldier is deliberately misleaading. Why are you doing this?
The individual in question was not acting as a soldier, he was not under the orders of the Canadian military; he was a UN Observer. An observer is, by definition, not military. And, he was under the authority of the UN - which should have removed that group from the observation post, because it was being used by Hezbollah as a launch site.

Again, this current conflict has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the Israel-Palestinian conflict. It's all about the rise of Iran in the ME. Iran is using Hezbollah and Hamas as proxies, to weaken Lebanon, - so that Syria-Iran can move back in. And, to try to get the West to attack Lebanon - so that Iran can get the other ME states on its side, and it can move in as The Boss.

ET: Take it up with the Right Honourable Stephen Joseph Harper:

"Prime Minister Stephen Harper today issued the following statement on the death of Major Hess-von Kruedener.

"I am deeply saddened to confirm today that Major Paeta Derek Hess-von Kruedener was killed in Lebanon last week following the attack on a United Nations Observation Post.

Major Hess-von Kruedener was missing and presumed dead following the attack, but his remains have now been positively identified.

On behalf of the Government of Canada, I extend my profound sympathy to the family, friends and loved ones of this brave soldier, who served our country with distinction and honour.

I join with Canadians who grieve the passing of Major Hess-von Kruedener, and I am proud of the contribution he made to bring assistance and hope to citizens in countries far from our shores.

I commend Major Hess-von Kruedener for his selflessness in the face of danger and my prayers are with him."

I've often found your inevitable rebuttals to my sourced commentary to be so sub-optimal as to prove my point rather than disprove it, so I ignore them. You freely admit to "Bobbing for apples" (trolling Kates site saying things to get a reaction from me), yet in the only time I can recall ever answering, you and Vulcan Boy had a good laugh over how stupid I was and how irrelevant my commentary was. So forgive me if I continue to ignore you.

Your attempt to characterize a member of the Canadian military serving in a military capacity in a war zone as a "civillian", however, is so comically inept and such an inverion of reality that thought I'd pay you a bit of attention for once. Have a nice day :-)

Bob: is your comment "The fact that Fatah was about to hold a referendum on a 2 state solution endorsed by Israeli-jailed Palestinian extremist leaders from Hamas" in any way related to this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5123230.stm

In this agreement, Hamas has accepted the idea of a Palestinian state on the West Bank and Gaza.

But it also points out that NOTHING is said in the deal about Israel.

One of the Hamas MPs, Salah al-Bardaweel, told the Reuters news agency: "We said we accept a state [in territory occupied] in 1967 - but we did NOT say we accept two states."

(Emphasis mine).

I just have a small suggestion. In the future, if a tank or missile launcher rolls up beside your house and begins firing at an already insane army, move! Get the hell out of there. You are the targets if they turn your neighbourhood into a military base. Get out if you can! For example, I watched as Anderson Cooper did a show on CNN while they fired rockets right beside him. Anderson, put on a helmut and get in your bunker. Why are you the only one standing out in the open? If CNN went to the moon, would the military follow?

bob - the fact that your comments are 'sourced' doesn't make them valid comments.

The fact is - that Major Kruedener was not under the authority of the Canadian military, was not acting in any military role, and was with the UN as a non-military observer. Therefore, your statement claiming the opposite, sourced or not, is invalid.

By all means, I think you should continue to ignore any and all criticisms that reveal that your comments are unfounded, are not based in facts, and focused only within your own biases.

You state that I "freely admit to "Bobbing for apples" (trolling Kates site saying things to get a reaction from me)"

No- this is absolutely untrue. I've never said the above. I'm not interested in your opinions, I don't go searching for them. If I come across an opinion with which I agree/disagree and want to comment - that's the grounds for my comment. It's the issues, bob, not the person.

I don't know who 'Vulcan Boy' is - and whoever that is, we 'didn't have a good laugh'. Again, it's the issues, not the person - and be open to critique of those issues.

"bob"
No, my satement is not "factually inaccurate". You go on to directly quote a Likud policy statement, accurately, to prove my point.
We can certainly debate whether or not a "two state solution" is actually possible in the real world and I would tend to agree with ET that it's not possible at this point. WHY it's not possible leads me to the conclusion that it is generally the Arab and Iranian governments who wish to perpetuate the mayhem. ET has, I believe, accurately posited why.
As far as laying blame for the death of a Canadian officer, the UN should have pulled all the unarmed observers out when the shooting started. The UN dithered, he died.
Further, and correct me if I'm wrong, but your comment seems to imply that I am supporting people who killed a Canadian soldier. As a member of the Candian Forces myself, let me assure you nothing could be further from the truth. Blame lies entirely with Hesbollah and their Iranian and Syrian backers, even if the bomb itself was IAF.

Kate: Sorry if I let myself get into a personal debate that maybe should have been taken off-line.
My only excuse is that "bob's" implication seriously pissed me off...

My god you people are stupid.

These terrorists who don civelian clothing and hide amounst the civelians are the bigist cowards around just like the ones who are always wearing those hood and masks they are hiding something

Lot of brain - dead posting on this zionist
site.