“An Ontario Catholic youth camp that former hostage James Loney once worked for has been closed — apparently because of his sexual orientation.
“Loney, who spent four months in captivity in Iraq before being rescued in March, had kept his homosexuality secret from his abductors. He had feared that revealing his sexual orientation would have put his life in greater jeopardy.
“Upon returning to Canada, Loney introduced his partner Dan Hunt on national television.
“Days later, the chairperson of the Knights of Columbus Ontario State Council — which funds the camp — expressed concerns to the camp’s director that the event was promoting a homosexual lifestyle, making specific reference to Loney, the former hostage said in an interview yesterday.
“While Loney declined to discuss details, he is holding a news conference in Toronto today to address the situation.”
(Via J at CBCWatch)
It’s especially infuriating that the GLBT community can proselytize anywhere (except Iraq) but Christians can’t (even on their home turf!) for fear of jail time.
Q’uelle surprise.
I assume our hero will play the victim card and do a paint by numbers smear comparing his plight in Canada to being held by Jihadists and implying that disapproval by anyone of this lifestyle connotes the same type of behavior as the Jihadists.
Boooooring.
I smell a HRT issue here–poor Loney–so brave–so proud of his homosexuality that he kept it secret from his captors–odd–he is only proud of his homosexuality when he can beat us over the head with it–but when it might cause him to be knocked on the head, he shuts up about it! Real courageous of him–but typical of this group–only when they can force themselves and their agenda on us is it worth promoting.
Despicable behaviour–but so revealing of those promoting it.
You’re all just a bunch of creepy old alcoholics bitter about your expanding waistlines, enormously obese wives, kids that will abandon you ASAP, and not intelligent enough to do anything about it. So you blame gays for everything.
Great strategy…
Naw, I gave up booze. To much tax on it.
Do priests represent a homosexual lifestyle? Maybe they should close the churches too.
LOL, Phantom! 🙂
Not only do I not drink, but I have no kids AND my plump, buxom wife divorced me! (Which leaves me needing to get a life and hanging around seedy conservative blogs and websites. :-)))
Truthserum (so he calls himself), steve(duh) and the gays promoting perversion in thought and action and foisting it on the rest of us, while attempting to shut down freedom of dissent, opinion and speech at the same time.
Remember, the dog eventually rolls over on the tail.
Truth serum just hangs around blogs spewing invective because, being lost past prime, there is nothing left in the sad, shallow, world of the gay “community” except to project personal darkness on to others.
Aw guys, I thought SOMEONE would have made a “camp” joke by now. I’m really disappointed…
While Looney has the right to be campy (there you go Kathy!) he has no right to expect a Christian group to fund his camp. If Gays want a camp in which to be campy (there you go again…) they can fund it themselves. Why do they think they have a right to have their stuff funded by money that isn’t theirs?
It never ceases to amaze me the left wing groups who think they have a never ending right to have others provide them with everything they want. You want a camp? Buy some land and make one yourself.
He had feared that revealing his sexual orientation would have put his life in greater jeopardy
But I thought Islam is a religion of peace and that only Christian right-wingers are a threat to homosexuals.
I wonder what the KOC would have done if he had merely stated that he was gay and had an additional reason to fear for his life. Would the KOC have been more charitable?
Armen,
Shirley, you jest!
There’s a gay rights group, Outrage, in London that’s been targetting muslim authorities in Iraq and Iran for staging a pogrom against gay people, some in their early teens.
(http://www.petertatchell.net/international/ahmed.htm)
Pym Fortuyn, who was a gay politician from the Netherlands, died because he criticized the effect of unassimilated Muslim immigrants on his country.
I agree. They shouldn’t have to hire gay counsellors, nor blacks, Jews, handicapped people or natives.
Warwick,
Right back at you, Sweetie.
Balboa park, the largest city park west of the Mississippi is in the middle of the city of San Diego. The city let the Boy Scouts lease several acres at the cost of $1 per year. The problem is that the BSA excludes gays and atheists. So why should the BSA expect a multimillion dollar subsidy partially funded by gays and atheists? If the BSA is a private organization, why can’t they use private land?
Whoa, that one came outta nowhere JLM. Take your Ritalin and try again.
Todd, if a pro-gay organization refused to hire a Christian who discouraged homosexual behaviour, would that be unjust too?
Hey Todd, you forgot about aliens, cyborgs, people with multiple personalities and those with pattern baldness.
Stevie D.
You have now taken to slandering the clergy.
Would this be considered to be a “hate” crime?
After having to see the behavior of this group for 22 years in public washrooms & children’s playgrounds (I work for parks & Rec, in Civic 2).
Its plenty obvious this group is highly dysfunctional if not deviant. The obsession with sex in general & there entire identity based on these urges. Is neurotic in the extreme. An entire underground devoted to one purpose. Sex with strangers, of the same sex.
The gays cruise on bikes going from one partner & location, to the next. One public place to another. Which even among hetro’s is looked down on.
Especially when children frequent these places. Most are by playgrounds, in parks.
Even gay city councilors go to these strips. I think of this group as no better than Johns on the lookout for hookers. With political clout by judicial fiat.
As individuals they deserve the same respect ALL people do as citizens. With that also goes the fact they ought to respect others as well. Maybe they ought to learn some tolerance as I see none from them .
Trying to take the rights of others away to justify there own obsessions. Or from my point of view , force people to agree by penalties with using a phony court system(HRB).Trying to force children threw schools, & Parents threw fines there life style is normal. Is unconsonable , is anti democratic & smells of corruption. All in order to convince themselves, that there’s is a normal way to live?
Perhaps its why so many in this community is full of rage & anger. They don’t believe there own propaganda.
Most I have meet online are raging bigots when confronted with Christianity but adore Islam which would chop there heads off. I hope they never learn first hand there tolerance. Or any other belief systems. Ask yourself why only Christian Countries allow gays ANY freedom?
On the list of world problems I put them about last on my list. Who really cares about sex obsessed lefties, with a hard on for anyone who disagrees with them.
This is what I really think of Gayness. The religious reasons why anyway. The secular you have read, in this rant.
Personally I don’t hate gays nor feel any empathy for them either. There a small group, with a withered soul. I fear in the end they will go to far & society will put the boots to this. As in the Weimar Republic before the Nazis they had all outed themselves as well. It got them a seat in concentration camps. A fate I wish on no one, including my enemies or those I disagree with.
You can already see it by the calls(justly in my opinion) to raise the age of consent. The 60’s are over.
This group even turned on its own members by outing. I wonder how many peoples lives where burnt by these fanatical instigators? As all cults do, in the end they eat there own.
I warn you, this is a long thoughtful essay.
http://www.touchstonemag.com/
The Gay Invention
http://touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=18-10-036-f
Doogie,
Do you really have any evidence that Christians are jailed in the U.S. for discussing their religion?
Canada is generally f****d because of the speech codes. However, Christians were protected by those codes long before gays were. Why didn’t Christians object then? Why don’t most Christians and most gays object now?
From the article:
“Loney said he will release an open letter to the province’s Catholic community at the news conference to bring to light what he called “an act of discrimination that impoverishes the Catholic community as a whole.”
“The purpose of the open letter is to inform the Catholic community and to spark a dialogue about the place of gay and lesbian people in church,” he said.”
—What about the place of gay and lesbian people in MOSQUES? What would he dare say about that? Is he afraid to challenge the Islamic community to be inclusive of gays and lesbians? Or does he know that the folks he went to Iraq to support actually don’t like or accept him because he’s gay? If so, then why single out the Catholic Church? It doesn’t seem fair, does it, to single out one religion over others in this way.
Why doesn’t the GLBT community and activist groups go after the Muslims to be inclusive? Why not?! Too cowardly?
This is a question I don’t see anyone asking much, if at all.
I think Christianity is being attacked and Islam let off the hook.
Why do gays and other special interest groups complain and fight etc saying we all must be tolerant and accepting of their lifestyle, but when they win, the first thing they do is become very intolerant of those that don’t agree with them. Why don’t we have the freedom to disagree. Canada is not a tolerant country, when it comes to being against certain practices. The KofC’s do fund camps that hire minorities, and also fund many projects for the handicapped. Looney and his partner have just received some honor to mark gay pride week and will be on cbc, as I type. When the cdn tourism org buys huge ads in homosexual magazines to promote the gay lifestyle and ssm, (in that bad old country USA) and tells them to come to Toronto, makes you wonder, are they accepted for beining gay, or because they spend lots of money. Once gays discover they are being used to promote business they will get angry.
Toronto wanted a new logo, maybe it should be The City of Gays. Straights stay away.
If Islam is a religion of tolerance, then why was Mr. Loney so afraid of letting them know about his “secret”? Does he know that the “tolerance” thing is just public relations and not real? Hmm? Hmm?
I don’t know… If I were a Jewish Canadian and I had been captured by terrorists in Iraq, I don’t think I would go about spouting my religious beliefs in front of them… much like Loney didn’t tear off his shirt, slap on some lipstick and start performing a one man broadway version of “Hairspray” for his captors… (you have just entered… “The politically incorrect Zone…”)
: )
Being gay does not automatically make one stupid. I’m not sure that being gay actually makes you a pedophile either, which some may infer here. Nonetheless, I doubt Catholic beliefs should be overlooked, ie homosexuality = bad. It never ceases to amaze me why (some) gay people love to put their head in the mouth of the lion when it comes to religion. I feel sorry for the Catholic community that has to constantly face discrimination charges from these types of instances… thier beliefs are obviously not supportive of homosexuality. Yet, here we go again!!
Here’s a funny thought for you though:
If your non-catholic kid for any reason went to a Catholic camp, I would think that there is more chance of your kid turning out Catholic than if you sent him to a Catholic camp with a gay counsellor, and the kid turning out gay.
: )
Cheers!
Leto
One look and a dozen words and you knew what side of the old apple tree Loney was hanging from. His Taliban captors and the K of C seem to be equally dense if they hadn’t figured that one out. The Taliban you could understand, but—–.
Canadian Sentinel,
As I wrote above, some gays, like Pym Fortuyn and Peter Tatchell, are fighting a culture war against Islamism. They risk their lives to do so.
Canada’s speech codes make it as intolerant of differing points of view as the chador makes Iran intolerant of women’s rights.
You can quote me as a real live liberal American homosexual activist.
Feeling fearful?
Frozen with fealty?
Forced to feighn forgiveness?
Then, foist a “fearless” fallacy.
The prize is a statue of Ned Hanlan in tight shorts using a jello media.
Yes, MaryT. Everybody in Toronto is gay. Well, except for my wife and I and a small circle of friends, and our two daughters. But everyone else is gay. Perverts, all of them. It’s so icky.
Loney is holding a news conference? Can anyone hold a news conference to demonize a group with which they don’t agree?
I was extremely disappointed yet not surprised at the MSM coverage of the Margaret Somerville debacle. Every TV station referred to her stance on gay marriage as “controversial.”
She and half the country are against gay marriage, and yet those views are the ones that are “controversial.” Not the ones that go against 2000 years of experience, common sense, and tradition.
I was also appalled when she stuck to her guns and yet apologized for causing hurt. Apologize? I would have told those yahoos in the audience and on stage to stick it where the sun don’t shine.
Leto: welcome aboard…very balanced and insightful commenting, IMHO.
Regarding Catholics/Christians being “anti-gay”, I would say that is not NECESSARILY the individual Catholic/Christian that is “anti-gay”…it is the God whom they worship that is “anti-gay”. They are simply following along like a good devotee should.
If anyone’s got a problem with Catholics/Christians being “anti-gay”, then they should take it up with the Big Guy upstairs, not the “bureaucrats” and “grunts” down here. They don’t make the rules, they just follow them…and if they don’t accept the “rules” (and I’m speaking about GOD’s Rules in the Bible, not what some humans have decided to interpret), then they aren’t truly Catholics/Christians and they should go pick a different religion.
Why shouldn’t the camp executive have the right to run their camp as they see fit, according to their beliefs???
That’s what a democracy is….Looney can’t force his beliefs on other people, anymore than other people’s beliefs can be forced on him.
There’s no discrimination here, but there is choice.
Western Canadian, I think Loney’s narrow escape means that Islamic terrorists have really bad gaydar.
Stevie D said: “Do priests represent a homosexual lifestyle? Maybe they should close the churches too.”
Building on this brilliance let’s round up the Buddhists and teh ghey Buddhist monks. Any other religions you deem too ghey that need to be shut down?
“From a Buddhist point of view, men-to-men and women-to-women is generally considered sexual misconduct.” – Dalai Lama
JLM,
Whah? When did I say anything about jail time? I could point to Scott Brockie as a Christian who has been financially penalized for picking and choosing which customers he will accept business from.
It’s the age-old double standard, AKA section 15, subsection 1 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
And this whole nonsense about Christianity being anti-gay is a plain lie. The most hostile thing that could be said is that God expects everybody to conform to the same moral norms, no matter which way one’s watch is wound.
And I’m a man who would, if I gave in to my primal urges, be considered a homosexual. You hear that world? I’m a non-practicing homosexual and a practicing Catholic!
Visit http://www.couragerc.org for more of us.
“Aw guys, I thought SOMEONE would have made a “camp” joke by now. I’m really disappointed…”
Hey Kathy, was that you I saw one time at bandcamp??? Pretty lame I know but then so it this perceived injustice. Mind you, the Human Rights Commissions that are multiplying like rabbits, will probably get involved and make some cockamammy ruling. Like Supreme Court Justices, these unelected do gooders make up the laws as they go or interpret what the legeslative folks were not able to state clearly (in their mind).
So much for that gay campaign to dispell the myth that homosexual are prone to hypersenitivity
and paranoia .
This after assuming he’d be killed in Iraq for being gay and now having a hissy fit over a camp closing just because he’s gay and the Cathoilcs are out to get him.
Anyway, just becuase a person is paranoid doesn’t man people aren’t out to get him.
BTW , I love his denial that he’s making this a gay issue, he’s getting an award from McGuinty during peide week and will be honoured in the Pride parade and may get his own float .
Hassle: Thanks M8!
I agree with you. It’s not the catholics themselves, but the catholic faith that equates homosexuality with sin. Whether or not this equates to christians being anti-gay can only be left to individual views.
As to the comments made about islamic terrorists having bad “gaydar”… I’ll bet you dollars to donuts that you all know someone or have met someone that is a “homersexual” and probably don’t know it… so quit bad mouthing the insurgents!! They’ve got enough on their plate without this for Pete’s sake!
: )
Doogie Said:
“And I’m a man who would, if I gave in to my primal urges, be considered a homosexual. You hear that world? I’m a non-practicing homosexual and a practicing Catholic!”
You may want to restate the above. Let me elaborate:
I’m a man who would, if I gave in to my primal urges, be considered a murderer. You hear that world? I’m a non-practicing murderer and a practicing Catholic!
Perhaps one more:
I’m a man who would, if I gave in to my primal urges, be considered grossly obeise. You hear that world? I’m a non-practicing fatman and practicing Catholic!
Doesn’t really make a lot of sense to me.
Cheers!
Leto
so, a gay camp counsellor and a homosexual canoe instructor walk into a bar…
ah, nevermind. the fruit loops of the will probably hunt me down and hurl cream horns my way for telling a *bad, bad* joke.
btw, i write this with a lithsssp…heh heh
It’s especially infuriating that the GLBT community can proselytize anywhere (except Iraq) but Christians can’t (even on their home turf!) for fear of jail time.
That’s the problem with the word “community,” isn’t it? Loney belongs to both.
The Homosexual Agenda: The Polygamy Agenda: The Polyandry Agenda; The Paedophile Agenda, etc.
First Lesson Plan:
How To Jubilate a la Loney. …-
Teacher’s union begins plans to promote homosexual marriage in public schools.
Posted by Iam1ru1-2
On 06/20/2006 3:32:52 PM PDT
American Family Association ^ | Donald E. Wildmon, Founder and Chairman
The National Education Association is set to endorse homosexual marriage at their convention coming up in Orlando June 29 through July 6. The new NEA proposal essentially says schools should support and actively promote homosexual marriage and other forms of marriage (two men and one woman, three women, two women and three men, etc.) in their local schools. The new proposal, expected to pass overwhelmingly, is found under the B-8 Diversity paragraph: The Association… believes in the importance of observances, programs and curricula that accurately portray and recognize the roles, contributions, cultures, and history of these diverse groups and individuals….
freerepublic
After what the Catholic chruch has been through with wayward priests is it any wonder they would shut that camp down, and quick?
maz2: That’s always the result, eh? First step: tolerance, normalization. Then active advocacy. This in essence is my beef with the GLBT “community”, which isn’t a “community”. And despite those laughable bromies about “tolerance” these GLBT advocates are a wickedly hate-drenched totalitarian lot.
Mine (now 36 and 33) went to public school. I would not send them there now. Not out of any anti-gay sensibility, rather this: politics and ideology (and let’s be clear, this is) has NO place in the classroom. Period.
The teaching of tolerance and kindness are the role of parents. Government employees can’t be surrogate parents. Let’s remember this: they’re goverment employees, just like at the motor vehicle branch.
I have never understood that liberal double standard.
It is okay for a liberal to blast the church and smear Christians because of the doings of some kiddie diddling priests.
Bring up the fact that many of those priests were homos, and that they should have their feet held to the same fire, and they go nuts.
It’s Gay Homosexual Week here in Toronto. I’ll see if I can find Loney and do a ‘human interest’ interview.
I’ll let you know,
Scoop Marshall
Leto,
Please don’t belittle my struggle. I didn’t just make it up to score points! I find it very difficult to relate to the GLBT movement when so many of its members are lobbying not for acceptance of their character, but for approval of their actions.
As a gay man who has never had a gay encounter – and not for lack of opportunity, believe you me – I can’t for the life of me figure out why having a homosexual inclination forces one to act on it. Where does free will come into play, if I am a slave to my passions?
Our society has reached a point where nearly any sexual practice is tolerated, and this is why homosexuality is where it is today. The Catholic Church’s expectation for individuals struggling with homosexuality has always been clear: live chastely. Her compassion for us is also deep, if we listen closely enough. I know that compassion, and I feel it most keenly when I control my urges.
That’s how I can say there is no conflict for me as a “gay” man living chastely in obedience to what the Church teaches. That’s what I proclaim to the world.
Me No Dhimmie writes: “maz2: That’s always the result, eh? First step: tolerance, normalization. Then active advocacy.”
Yup, that’s the way to soften up the populace to ideas that until recently it found, for good reasons many of which have to do with health, abhorrent and “unnatural.”
Back in the early ’90s the Globe and Mail began running pro-gay articles, first one a week, usually in the Arts and Entertainment section. Then they got a little bolder, and ran two or three pro-gay articles/week for a few months, until, around the mid-’90s, the whole paper was full of gay propoganda, either praising the lifestyle or defending pedophile rings when they were busted by the police: what about the gay men’s human rights, yada, yada, yada?
I started calling the G & M the fag rag, and wonder if it was any coincidence that its publisher was none other than Bill Thorsell, a gay man?
Dear Doogie,
Thanks for your courage; you remind me of another person who similarly is a non-practicing Gay, practicing Catholic–John Mckellar.
There is distinction between the condition of homosexuality and the practice of homosexuality. That you remain chaste is clearly by God’s grace and you ought to be commended for it. You clearly understand the design God laid out for human sexual discourse, and that abberrations are inevitable given our fallen state. God bless you as you continue to serve Him.
Doogie,
I’m a real live ex-Catholic, non-practicing homosexual, myself.
I’m familiar with “Courage” and lots of other things RC. Let me guess. Were you raised in a liberal home? I was raised in a very conservative home and lived in the deep South. You say that the Catholic Church has compassion for people like us? In my experience, which was a long time ago, the compassion, if it existed, was undetectable.
Truly, the Church’s love was a love that dare not speak its name, or speak at all for that matter.
the gay pride parade in tranna what a sight to behold! will you be taking your children to the parade?
JLM et al,
I had no idea there were so many non-practicing homosexual readers of SDA!
I was actually raised as a Protestant. I arrived at my conservativism myself, but am not out of sync with my family. And rather than the Deep South, I was raised in the Deep Flat (that’d be Saskatchewan).
[Q: Where’s the highest point in Saskatchewan?
A: Everywhere!]
I’m in my early thirties and so have no exposure to pre-Vatican II Catholicism, but in reading the Catechism of the Catholic Church I see messages of hope and love for people with homosexual temptations: (2358) “This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity.”
Nonetheless, (2359) “Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.”
Knowing that this is the Word of God is what comforts me in my times of struggle. The authority with which the Church speaks assures me that, despite some inconsistencies in the application of that Word, the Word remains intact – and it can be fully known.