One of the 401 incidents in which a “piercing object” was threatened or used in Saskatoon in 2005;
The 16-year-old was stabbed multiple times after three people wearing red bandanas broke into the house, first opening the door with a shotgun blast before going on a rampage on Brian and another teen on Aug. 20.
“The cops classified it an assault but I was stabbed nine times. I call that attempted murder,” said Brian (not his real name).
The wound that resulted in the centipede-like scar lacerated his liver. A second stab pierced his stomach. Brian was also stabbed in the chest just above his heart, twice in his leg, twice in his arm and twice in his back. The attackers pushed the hunting knife through Brian’s rib cage in one instance and nicked his tailbone in the other. They have never been found.
And now, Indian gang “swarming” in Saskatoon is beginning to hit the big leagues, as the crimes become more brazen;
He speculates that four robberies in the past two weeks along 22nd Street West may have been part of an initiation process into a gang.
Six or seven men entered Bridges Ale House and Eatery at 2415 22nd St. West just after 11 p.m. on Tuesday. They threatened an employee of the off-sale outlet with a tire iron and escaped with cigarettes and liquor.
On Monday at about 9:30 p.m., six people wearing masks robbed Source Adult Video at 1504 22nd St. West. One of the men was armed with a sawed-off rifle while another had a knife.
The suspects ordered those in the store to lay on the floor before making off with an undisclosed amount of cash from the till and the wallets belonging to two of the victims.
At around 1 a.m. on Sunday, four men whose faces were covered by hoods and scarves threatened staff members of Bell Island Pizza located next to Source Adult Video. The men, armed with metal bars, demanded money and ran away with an undetermined amount of cash and a purse belonging to one of the employees.
(If my use of the words “Indian gang” threatens to burst a blood vessel in the politically correct hemisphere of your brain, repeat the words “root causes, root causes, root causes” over to yourself until unwanted symptoms of reality subside.)
Predictably, there are noises being made at City Hall about banning the carrying of knives. In the context of giving police the legal authority to disarm gang members before they swing them into action, I suppose there’s merit in the argument.
There’s more merit in scrapping a youth justice system that turns these vicious little hoods back onto the street faster than police can collect them, and then keeps their names and juvenile record from the public.
I would suggest there’s a more effective way to tackle one of the primary “root causes” behind street gangs – pull funding on the cottage industry of baby farming. End the practice of paying women on social assistance additional $$ for every new baby they bring into the world, and in a few short years, I suspect the number of young children wandering the streets looking for a “family” would be in decline.
Discuss.
Related reading.
“pull funding on the cottage industry of baby farming”.
Bingo.
When something is subsidized, inevitably there will be more of it.
There must be a way to direct these poor darlings to the nearest ivory tower where they will be met with the open arms of compassion and understanding. The open arms will make it much easier for them to stick the knife in too.
“The cops classified it an assault but I was stabbed nine times. I call that attempted murder,”
Well yes but calling it “assault” helps keep our crime rate lower than that in the U.S.
How about hitting these little darlings hard for a first offence, and just maybe there wouldn’t be a second one. I hope one of the changes our new justice minister brings in is the publication of names. Political correctness has caused most of our problems with youth because it is racist to mention the race of the trouble makers. All the dogooders should have to take these darlings into their homes for 6 mos. I agree, cut off money to women who breed only for the welfare cheque.
Well Kate we now know you as both a Muslim and Indian hater which I guess is a function of being cooped up at minus 25 surrounded by loss making farmers supported by the federal teat. You managed to keep your tongue well during the election which I suspect had something to do with that trip with Ezra.
But why no headers on the crime last week in LA or Atlanta? Yes, yes we all know about 22nd Street and the odd stabbing but if you read the posts above they would advocate some sort of genocide. Well fuck you.
“who breed only for the welfare cheque”.
But, but…who else will refill Canada’s population base…?
I hope the day will come, when someone with enough guts to do the right thing, will toss out all mention of race from our federal and provincial law books. all.
McDonald – I provided instructions to assist those who have difficulty dealing with reality.
I suggest that if you can’t address the topic on its merits, or provide a rebuttal any more significant than a sentence or two of anonymous namecalling, that you find a venue more sympathetic to your peculiar type of self-rightous denial that condemns little kids to abbreviated lives of crime and violence.
That’s real logical mcdonald, report on crime and you’re a bigot. Good choice of language, sign of an impressive intellect.
And Fuck You Too, mcdonald.
I’m so sick of you shitstains whining “racism or hater” when people bring up the violent acts worldwide done in the name of Islam, and I am sick and tired of your ilk defending the Indians who terrorize Saskatoonians on a daily basis.
I double dog dare you to take a walk in the 20th Street area at night unarmed.
We’ll see how long you last before getting your ass beaten by the Indian gangs running wild in this city. One of my employees missed 3 weeks of work because he was beaten half to death for the 12 pack of beer he was carrying (which wasn’t too smart on his part but drunk ppl do stupid things).
You go, Kate. Keep on telling it like it is. Our robbery rate is the highest–per capita–in Canada and the US. Yes, our robbery rate is higher than major cities like Toronto, NYC, and LA. Indeed, our robbery rate is about 4 times higher than US cities of Saskatoon’s size. I saw it in a pamphlet sent out by Carol Skelton. I was shocked and wondered where she got her numbers from; she got them from Stats Canada.
Imagine a troll showing up here!! Judging by the lack of manners, lack of logic and rude language, I would say it’s that new species “plumbeus probus” which have shown up so frequently since the Conservatives won government. Blog on, Kate!
I find it painfully difficult to understand why young thugs who immigate here and quickly find themselves in trouble with the law aren’t shipped back to whatever it was they came from. We have enough “home grown” criminals; do we need to import problems?
I think the point mcdonald was trying to make, Kate, is that you should shut your mouth about the stabbings and gang violence in your community, because this country belongs to people like him, aka the left, the people whose policies created these problems in the first place. So butt out, eh? Besides, they’ve alread got a system worked out:
1. Create racist policies which f**k people up and cause enormous cruelty and grief within the community.
2. Accuse opponents of said policy of cruelty and racism.
3. Stand proudly atop the mountain of corporeal suffering where weak limbs reach up to receive cheques.
I can’t think of a more noble approach to living, personally. Why can’t you be more like that, Kate?
Read it…shove them into the Edmonton remand centre…fodder…
What Saskatoon needs is a little of the Paul Kersy
Solution.
Kate–you are absolutely correct–this is the by-product of social engineering practiced for the last 12 years. Kids of 14 are old enough to consent to sex but not old enough to know crime from social behaviour? Hogwash! If you do the crime you do the time–race and age should not enter into the equation at any level. A criminal is a criminal no matter who–and I for one am getting sick of being considered cannon fodder for the criminal class.
I lived in Saskatoon for 20 years and have been in Toronto for the past 6. Indian crime there and Jamaican crime here. Mostly, you can avoid the whole thing by avoiding 22nd Street West in Saskatoon and Jane/Finch in Toronto. Except when they move the action to downtown (the Boxing Day shooting in TO, the swarming incidents in Saskatoon). BUT, someone has to tell me how jailing teenagers for 3 to 5 years is going to help. It just seems to make for better criminals!
The John Thompson article is interesting, but not new. He should have footnoted The Simpson’s for the “Burn The Observatory” reference. It’s one of their classical episodes.
All retailers who work evenings and nights should be trained in firearms use and armed appropriately. (or at least have the option) All gang members, regardless of race, who attempt to rob an honest, hardworking member of society with a weapon (club, knife, gun) should be executed – on sight. The police should be trained to ‘shoot to kill’ if they need to draw their guns (use hollow point ammo – it doesn’t riccochet as much leaving bystanders somewhat safer). I’d love to see a police quota on ‘gang members’. Then I awoke….
Take all our money. Give it to them. Hire one government keeper for each.
That will fix the problem.
Brian M:
Just shoot them? The police or anyone else? Excellent planning. I don’t think I’d want to live in your neighbourhood.
why Indian Gangs. why not First Mafiaoso?
BUT, someone has to tell me how jailing teenagers for 3 to 5 years is going to help. It just seems to make for better criminals!
Andy, throwing teenagers into jail for 3 to 5 years is the last step, not the first one. The current system does nothing to discourage violent youth from continuing their criminal acts. It’s like saying “Stop… or I shall say ‘stop’ again!!” Yeah, that’ll work!!
Until the judges are directed to impose meaningful penalties, youths will continue to laugh at the courts and continue their violent behaviour. Meaningful penalties doesn’t have to mean jail time immediately but the lesson has to be clear: if you screw up, expect to be punished.
Having been a witness to many a beating, and stabbing, I was always impressed how the victims came to see the problem much clearer. People like McDonald have never had the pleasure of being beaten for a half an hour after begging the assailants to “stop”. That decision to accept death gives you moments of clarity, and you see the charity of our justice and social systems as wasteful and flawed.
You will never find a person who has been brutally beaten who can’t describe for you the simple steps to solving the problem of youth violence. The solution to every problem is found in an accurate description of the problem, and Kate has described the problem in detail.
One of the solutions is the way that we support and counsel families, and that support may take many forms, but it should pay them to have more children.
Thank you Kate.
Folks like McDonald who like to minimize our crime problem by invoking the crime problems of LA or Atlanta should know that a Saskatchewan resident is 8 times more likely than a U.S. resident to be the victim of violent crime.
Shocked? Have a look at the Stats Can’s Victimization Survey which shows 160 incidents of “violent victimization” (defined as sexual assault, robbery or assault) per 1,000 persons 12 years of age and older: http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/051124/d051124b.htm
In the U.S., the comparable victimization survey shows about 20 incidents of the same types of crime per 1,000 people: http://www.rainn.org/docs/statistics/ncvs2004.pdf
A further shocking statistic is that while Stats Can’s report consoling tells us that the “rate of violent victimization in Canada, based on information provided by Canadians themselves, was no higher in 2004 than it was five years earlier”,
the American report shows a drop of 1/3!
Maybe the despised American’s have something to teach us about criminal justice policy (and I doubt that that would be more conditional sentences).
Hmmm, interesting! mcdonald has an email link to his name- arenbergsb@yahoo.ca but nothing about it looks even vaguely Scottish. renbergs is a Swedish surname. I didn’t realize there were Swedish trolls!
Kate,Kate,Kate. There you go again. What is it with this reality thing?? Come on. If we really took a good,honest look at this and tried to solve the problem, do you know how many bleeding heart lefties would be out of work?? My God. No more victims of youth gangs to blame!! No more babies for welfare Moms to throw more money at!! No more offensive weapons like duck guns to ban?? Why,it would kill our economy!! And I’m sure you know it is more correct to say that “true Canadian without white skin” was only defending his/her territory???
And Terry, just what are you trying to do here by bringing up real FACTS. Especially when it involves those evil Yanks??? Damn. Do I have to start a jihad here??
Scary stuff from my hometown. Canadians have always been so busy looking at how bad crime is in the states, they never look in their backyard.
I live downtown, so I’m at least a little seperated from the west end where all of this stuff takes place. Still it doesn’t make one feel any better. Its scary stuff, it really is.
I am so sick of our lax sentences. Knocking off the welfare is an interesting idea, one worth pursuing, but right now we need to lock these criminal wanks up for a good long time when they do the crime.
I mean, how do the police feel when they arrest the same people over and over, only to see them out on the street the next day? That certainly can’t be good for their moral, and the ultimate consequence of that seems to be police working beyond the law, which certainly isn’t a good situation either.
Anyway, I’m off to bed, but not before I double check the deadbolts. Locks are nice, but they’re only there to buy me time to ready the artillery. I should note at this point that I am illegally storing a firearm in my house, for reasons of self-defense. The gun is registered and all, but to keep it handily available(a guns no good if you can’t get to it), one must break the law.
Sometimes I can’t help but think; what an ass backwards place we live.
What I found hard to understand when I found this out was that people on welfare can have their fertility treatments paid for. (in Saskatchewan, I don’t know if this is true in other prov.) Working people have to pay thousands of dollars for these treatments and then will pay the costs to raise the child. Why would the government pay for these treatments for a fammily that cannot support the cost of raising a child? I guess the “do-gooder” mentality would be not to deny anyone their right to have children, even if they cannot afford them.
Green mamba — bang on.
I recall a judge in B.C. several years ago (mid 80’s?) suggesting our prisons be based on the Amercian Military style prisons. He thought that there would be a 90% or better rehabilitation rate. Well, this sounds good to me. Tattoo parlours in prison is a joke. Good old fashioned work and an insistance on respect is called for. All freedoms (including TV) are earned. Highway road side brush and garbage clean up? Yes. A demand for a yes sir, no sir attitude from detainees? Hell yes. For repeat offenders? No. This is treatment right from day one for all offenders. There has to be some sort of deterent to crime. In this country, at this time, there is precious little deterent. I am so sick and tired of reading about the poor misunderstood lad who gets arrested for the 20th time for car theft, only to be released with a conditional sentence.
Hi,new to this site,like what I see Kate.
I believe without certain and swift punishment these people will never change their ways.With the Torys now in power hopefully we can get some laws with real deterrence value and get the violent repeat offenders off the streets longer.
(awesome airbrush work by the way)
There is no doubt that the sentences need to be longer and programming better once we get people into jail. We also need more money to yes, gulp, go after the root causes of why kids join gangs. There is no one easy solution to the problem of gangs in Saskatoon – it will not be solved simply by locking people up for long periods of time. Do sentences need to be tougher – yes. But as I said, we need better programming and more ways to help families create a stable atmosphere.
troll? where’s a troll? I’ve never seen one in real life…wowza.
Reference the baby factories – read the comments
in the FREAKECONOMICS book that explains that the rapid drop off in the young criminal element was due to the Roe vs Wade case. Unwanted babies were not born and the crime rate dropped. We should perhaps be looking at licencing the pregnancies. It’s time
that the christian right pulled their heads out of
the sand.
Has Saskatoon become worse than Winnipeg?
Damit! Does this mean that I’ve got to get rid of my “Winnipeg murder capital of Canada” t-shirt.
Unwanted babies were not born and the crime rate dropped.
True, leftists raising fewer little leftists makes for less crime.
Another factor in indian youth crime – young teen moms farm their babies, toddlers and children out to foster homes for months every year. That way by the time they are 12-13 years old they’ve been in 1/2 dozen foster homes,so they are really screwed up and ready to join a gang who will provide acceptance and security, something that their life sadly lacked. We were foster parents in Sask. for 6 years. It’s a recipe for social disaster and the chickens have come home to roost.
Interesting post, I read the SP as well with the kid’s foot long scar on the front page. A couple of observations:
– I have no problem with IDing the gangs as Indian. From what I read in the paper, thats my impression too.
– Something must be done about the problem, stiffer sentences might work, lets try it
– Its not just white people that are victimized. In fact I think more Indian people are victimized by the gangs and a lot of it is not reported
– The welfare system may need some adjustment, but I’m not sure if its really one of the root causes of gang violence.
– These kind of discussions may be useful, but I think efforts should be made to build bridges as well. There are many more shades to this argument than black and white (or red and white?) (brown and white?) pun intended.
Grandfatherly A. Murray Coursey ‘is looking for friendly, young ladies’ to be his pen pals. Serious inquiries only for a serial pedophile
…Yet, despite his imprisonment, this long-time predator is still able to troll for “friendly young ladies” — all thanks to a couple of U.S.-based websites, one which carries the warm-and-fuzzy Internet address of thepamperedprisoner.com…
http://www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/Bonokoski_Mark/2006/02/19/pf-1450606.html
JM….but of couse…how else are these young ladies suppossed to learn about the perils of life unless they experience it first hand??
The next femnazi who comes up to me and whines about pedophiles is going to be looking up her nose to find her whoppy spot!!!
Hiding the truth about native schooling
February 20, 2006
The road to a better life for Canada’s Aboriginal people begins with a good education. But the scant evidence available indicates that they are still failing at school. After decades of wrangling among Aboriginal leaders and federal and provincial governments about what to do, and after so many billions of taxpayer dollars spent, why has there been so little improvement?…………
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/issuesideas/story.html?id=2a894aa5-aa0a-4c1a-ad61-417ee6fcb322
Quickly Liberals and socialists to the walls…we’re under attack by barbarian hordes who do not mindlessly worship the utopian state..time to deploy our secret weapon:
“THE SHARP OBJECT AND NASTY THING REGISTRY!!”
Jailed for five years… yeah, right.
On Nov. 5 a man was arrested at the crowded Yorkdale Mall allegedly with a loaded, stolen gun that had its serial number scratched off.
The 20-year-old was released two days later on bail and is now facing a second-degree murder charge in connection with the slaying of a used car salesman at a North York dealership this month.
This former “rising young basketball star” (in the newspapers all the thugs were somehow destined for greater things) was pissed because his bling ride got repo’d when he neglected to pay the lease. His solution was to kill the car dealer.
Just the facts ma’am.
interesting link about “Project Turnaround” in Ontario. A note: “Strict Custodial Incarceration” is not cheap. Generally these are more than “boot camps”. They cost about 5X more. Also the effectiveness of these camps is marginalized because of the shortness of the duration of their stay. They can just wait it out. However if we could swallow the cost, I feel longer terms a needed for “reprogramming” these ones to be socially successful.
Even though it costs more. What about the hidden costs, that result from the crimes they commit/recommit
http://www.encourageyouth.com/index.htm
troll? where’s a troll? I’ve never seen one in real life…wowza.
Posted by tomax at February 20, 2006 12:43 AM
You will never see one in “real life” because they can only exist in the rarefied realm of cyberspace. In the real world, they’re usually too timid to speak their minds. Even in cyberspace, they usually spew their illogical thoughts and run away.
When I was a teenager ( I was never a ‘youth’, and I never intend to be an ‘oldager’, isn’t ‘youth’ an adjective? Why is it used as a generic, collective noun?), I wanted to be independant and I wanted excitment. I think that most young people want to ‘live it up’ before they get too old to have any fun!!(That is how people under thirty think and I was no exception). The regeressive, confining , coddling, limiting, restrictions for living that years of Liberano/Dipper thinking have imposed on parents and education systems, and by default, on all the people of Canada – of all ages – has left a big hole in the ‘fun and exciting’ part of our lives. When people are ground down by rules and regulations governing everthing from enforcing the wearing of helmets when bike riding (helments do not look GOOD on anyone!) to how to blow your nose, then all laws become a joke! Last week I was treated like a criminal for lighting up a cigarette in a smoky bar! Four and one half years ago I was stopped near Commox, B.C. for not wearing my seatbelt on Set. 1, 2001!!(What were those Law Enforcment people thinking? – the twin towers in NY were burning, and that idiot was fining people for not wearing a seatbelt!) People will not respect ANY law when the system is hamstrung by being responsible for enforcing punitive, repressive, stupid legislation. A man or woman who has dodged bullets and bombs in a war or hauled hay out to cattle in a Sask blizzard should not be arrested or fined for smoking a cigarette in a public place, for not buying and wearing a helmet on a bike, for not wearing a seatbelt, or for playing cribbage in a bar in Shaunavon, Sask. How can anyone respect the “laws” or the “Law Makers” when a freedom loving person’s innate good sense tells them to feel revulsion and disgust for both? Stephen Harper is not a ‘sheeple herder’, this I know from reading and hearing things he says and does. When young people and old (er) people have reasons to respect the Laws and the Law courts; then people will see a change in the ‘tolerance’ level for real crime. BTW, why did I recently see Annie M.(former Justice Minister) smoking a cigarette? In public. In Canada. Why was she not swarmed by silly servants like I was for her ‘crime’? ‘Practise what you preach or just keep quiet’, that is what my cigarette smoking , occaisional roaring drunk, coffee drinking, non seat belt wearing Dad used to tell us when we were kids. Dad never stole a dime from anyone , he treated all women with kindness and respect (even if he didn’t like many of them), he was color blind when it came to judging people, he made me work after school(for 10 weeks!) to pay for a rich old lady’s car fender that I had run my bike into by accident, he fired his shotgun off over the heads of would be gas thieves – they always ran off! We have no common sense in this country. We can’t go on ‘living’ this way, we will self distruct.
By “indian”, do you mean native or east indian?
As usual, Ol hoss, you gave me a laugh today for which I thank you for.
Heh, surely there’s another solution, other than leftists killing their young, to reduce crime.
Did you hear the one about the crew on a sinking vessel radioing the German Coast Guard that they were sinking?
After hearing the radio message that they were sinking several times, the German Coast Guard radioed back and asked them what they were “sinking” about.
I’m descended from Austriches, so I can tell that joke.
Aboriginal women pushing up birth rates
…The Inuit population has the highest birth rate in the country, with Inuit women averaging about three births during their lifetime. By 2016, Nunavut, where 85% of the population is Inuit, will be the only Canadian jurisdiction where families, on average, are producing more than 2 children — the minimum required to replace a population.
The median age of aboriginal people in Nunavut is 19 years, while that of the non-aboriginal population throughout the rest of Canada is almost 20 years older.
But because of high rates of teenage pregnancy –the average age of Nunavut first-time mothers is 21.7 years, the lowest in the country — the births are coming at a high cost to territories, with teenage mothers less likely to complete high school, more likely to have complicated births and more likely to raise the child as a single parent…
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/bodyandhealth/story.html?id=b588537c-8335-4195-b2c6-1c050b3d5b4c
We need to grow some cojones here in Canada and create a real justice system. Find the gangs and crush them, utterly and ruthlessly. They are entrenched, vicious criminals and will not respond to spineless socialist measures to address “root causes.” They are cockroaches and need to be fumigated, stomped and burned out of existence. Whether it’s indian gangs in Saskatoon, Jamaican gangs in Toronto, white bikers in Montreal or Asian gangs in Vancouver, they need to be found and obliterated.
Watching the rise of indian gangs in my home of Saskatoon, I am seriously considering buying his and hers Glocks for myself and my wife…..