And the benefits are only so-so…
C- If the vacation exceeds what is allowed, then, the relative salary will be withheld (prorated) except if those in responsible positions (in order of hierarchy) approve a holiday extension.
Other clauses cover salary, medical coverage,torture.
This sounds like a job for secret agent Buzz Hargrove! Unionization has brought down bigger outfits than this, I tell ya!
Kate,
Go gentle on Buzz now….!!!…???
As always, all the best!!
Sorry…I missed the Valentine and HBD salutations!!
‘Osama Bin Laden’ Buys Ticket On Via Rail
VIA Rail officials are red-faced after news got out that one of the company’s employees purchased a train ticket under the name of Osama bin Laden on the second anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
via nealenews +
VIA Rail is a union shop: CAW, CAW, CAW… Buzz is everywhere.
CAW – TCA CANADA : Who We Are
The CAW represents 15000 rail workers at CN, CP Rail, VIA Rail, Ontario Northland, BC Rail, and Algoma Central. We are the largest rail union with members …
http://www.caw.ca/whoweare/ourmembers/sectoranalysis/railways/summary_index.asp – 19k –
Al Qaeda is unionized. Who would have thought. This should come as a comfort for US labor unions – the cretins that always financially support the Dems with their dues.
Of course, it may be Al Qaeda’s ultimate undoing like GM and the airlines. Greed in the face of banckruptcy with its failure to make concessions eventually kills the golden goose.
So, will Merril Lynch be doing 401K plans in the future for them? Has the NYT’s seen this? This will be fodder for how wretched Bush is in not supporting organized labor.
Al Qaeda advocates free medical care – just like Canada! Given that ‘free’ medical care is the only acceptable way to define Canada these days the Liberal Party had better watch out, many Canadians would be just as happy to vote for Al Qaeda if they chose to run candidates. Corruption, theft, mismanagement and negligence doesn’t bother liberal voters – but they could get all that plus a glowing review from the multi-culti crowd by voting in Al Qaeda.
These Canadians, mainly Liberal voters, have no problem with fascist dictators like Saddam Hussein, they have no problem with fascist Islamic movements that control Canadian publishing of political cartoons, they have no problem with fascist Islamic governments like Iran’s so long as they’re appropriately anti-American – in short, the Liberal Party could lose seats to a group that appeals to modern liberalism’s belief that humans should be controlled, coerced or cajoled into doing what the powerful believe to be ‘acceptable’ at the moment.
I assume the Al Q pension plan is running a healthy surplus due to experience gains calculated by the plan’s actuary.
Perhaps Buzz could help get those surpluses returned to the folks who earned them.
Incredible, really and truly incredible. Who’d have thought they were really that organized? Impressive actually. Isn’t it in The Art of War that it tells you to never underestimate your enemies?
Maybe we’ll get lucky and they’ll all go on strike.
Kate, are we all being “trolled” here… ? it’s almost too much.
Maz2, are you pronouncing “caw, caw, caw”, like the sound a crow makes? I don’t want to seem the total dunce here, but it works for me today… haha.
“severance pay”, severance of what? I like it.
Unions = terrorism 🙂
Hmmm… an extra 700 rupies for each additional wife. No wonder the Liberals were chomping at the bit to get rid of the traditional definition of marriage and get on with poligamy! It has all become clear.
If secret agent Buzz is looking for excitement and adventure, I hear they are remaking the Pink Panther movies. Perhaps the role of Kato hasn’t been filled yet.
Daniel
everybody has to pay the soldiers.
even the ones that are planning on killing themselves for the glory of the cause need to eat up until the day of the attack. they also need vacation to keep their head (for a short time)!
seriously though, it does highlight how we can be effective at disrupting their supply lines.
Serious point.
How does this affect the case of enemy combatants vs pow vs criminals….
some say they should be held as criminals. The law enforcement approach. It has its limitations and problems.
This document shows it is an organization with a purpose, I know the point seems obvious but being able to point to bureaucratic flotsam is key to blaming those at the top for the crimes of those at the bottom.
Also builds the case that this is an organization built not for crime but for combat. If this is the case then when are they pow;s vs enemy combatants. Well, POW;s apply if there was a government to sign a peace treaty with.
In this case it is unclear. Perhaps Al Queda is a stateless org that could be held to these criteria, effectively control of their org. That might reinforce the case for POW.
However, they ARE stateless. Hence the reason for the enemy combatant nature.
The main point is there is no need to charge these people, they arent criminals. They are POW’s at best and enemy combatants at worst. They do not belong in the criminal status requiring charges etc etc.
Thoughts?
Stephen-
I think terrorists should be treated as criminals albiet organized ones. There’s already plenty of precdence for this. Terrorism didn’t get invented on 9/11. Anything else cheapens us and elevates them.
The problem with putting it as a criminal designation is that we then need to charge them, and run them through a justice system following due process. This is one of the problems critics have raised about Guantanamo. If they are criminals they are being held without charge.
If they are enemy combatants OR POW’s then no charge is required.
The difference between POW and Enemy Combatant is the obligations owed to them by us a signatories of the Geneva convention.
Although Kate has posted this document as a bit of a larf…it is…I believe it is more significant, in that it belies the organization behind Al Queda. Nazi’s were convicted in war crimes tribunals in part because of bureacratic association. In other words, being the head of the organization made you responsible for the organizations activities, even though you were unaware of the gory details.
This document indicates Al Queda are “an army”, although a stateless ones. Criminals you capture,try and put in jail, following due process. The enemy in a war….you kill unless they surrender and no charges or due process are necessary. Fundamental distinction to be made. Designating Al Queda as an enemy army doesnt elevate them, it just identifies the appropriate tools and tactics.
One of the problems is there isnt broad consensus as to what Al Queda is, not saying on this board but in broad society. There is more consensus in the US, they were attacked, but it isnt broad. Across America’s allies there isnt even consensus (however narrow). Significant slices of Europe, Canada and Australia see Al Queda and Islamacists as criminals..if they see them as a problem….those who do see them as an army see them as a resistance army or a liberation army.
So there are two hurdles to overcome, seeing Al Queda and Islamofacism as an enemy army and secondly that they are not a resistance or liberation army.
In some ways the error of the Bush administration has been to let this fundamental distinction go unchallenged. They have assumed there was agreement. The splinter on the right (America firsters and Buchananites) is caused by seeing Islamofascists as an enemy of resistance, that if America and the West kept its hands out of the area then they wouldnt be fighting these people, that political accomodation can be had.
The left has a similar view, but wishes to take a more criminal view of these people. Interpol and the RCMP and FBI are our defence.
Sadly, we are still debating a fundamental question that ultimatley dictates the tools and tactics to deal with Islamofascists.
Sorry for the length of reply.
Seems to me that no one should be surprised there is an infrastructure with rules and entitlements. These aren’t primitive people who co-exist in daily personal contact with one another, it’s a spread-out organization operating in a society that does not value individuals making up the rules as they go along.
The death benefits are missing…I suppose they figure the Martyr is taken care of by the 17 virgins supplied by the Union exec upstairs but the family of the departed seems to be neglected in the plan….I realize they will be spared burial expense by the nature of the union’s human grenade attack agenda against infidel swine, but without the guaranteed income of a working unionized terrorist what will the family do?
Mansoor Ijaz is an American Muslim of Pakistani ancestry who expresses his feelings towards the riots, Osama and Al Queda, you can read his article here.
Buzz was “outcast”, stomped, by the NDP Elders… CAW…. +
Crows:
Physical: In the presence of Elders, Ancestors
Emotional: Seeking peace, needing reconciliation, finding a place among peers. Being �put in one�s place� by an episode embarrassing in nature. Crows have a definite hierarchy. Those who step out of line are �outcast� or stomped. Redemption is slow and hard to come by. +
http://www.qcislands.net/vision/dictionary_2.htm
….but without the guaranteed income of a working unionized terrorist what will the family do?
The widow and the kids can immigrate immediately to Europe or Canada where they can go on the dole.
If we get a Democrat back in the White House, they might have a shot at it here.
No much burial expense when all you have to do with the old man’s vaporized remains are hose them down. It does give peace of mind over funeral expenses.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/19/nsharia19.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/02/19/ixnewstop.html
Very interesting survey.
Stephen-
No problems with the length reply.
The IRA analogy works even better here. The Brits first response was to sick the army on them. That never worked and it led to incidents (torturing people to death, killing civilians) that only elevated the IRA’s status. Eventually they switched to a law enforcement angle, subjected the terrorists to public trials and showed them up for what they really were. As time went on the IRA became increasingly isolated from their base of support (which was international, irish americans mainly) until eventually their position became untenable.
The IRA still exsists btw. They are now organized criminals smuggling cigarettes and gasoline.
Al Qaeda is more ruthless than the IRA was but I’ve seen nothing to suggest that they are alien in nature to any terrorist organization we’ve seen before. The main difference is likeability. A lot of americans and canadians supported the IRA whereas noone likes beardy muslims.
Bush had it right for the first year. He won support among muslim countries, took on Afghanistan and arrested large numbers of Al Qaeda types. Then he dropped the ball by invading a country that had nothing to do with Al Qaeda. That’s where he lost his support amongst muslims. Not because they loved Saddam but because they’re paranoid that he’s got another agenda.
Since then support for Al Qaeda has skyrocketed and pretty much everything he accomplished in year one has been undone. Al Qaeda is now gaining members faster than they’re losing them. And while Bush has been wrestling with the Iraq tar baby the job in Afghanistan, his one well advised war, remains unfinnished. Hopefully we’ll clean up Afghanistan but there’s now little doubt that Iraq won’t be a hotbed of terrorism after the US pulls out.
Now instead of a multi year campaign to get rid of a terrorist organization people are bracing themselves for an inter-generational war with 1.6 billion people.
I think the Bush administration realized its mistake a year ago and is positioning itself for a slow, face-saving u turn.
Since then support for Al Qaeda has skyrocketed and pretty much everything he accomplished in year one has been undone.
Jose, you’ve made some very good points regarding the universality of terrorism, but things are not as “undone” as you suggest with the invasion of Iraq.
Bush’s strategy with Iraq was to liberate and tranform it into a viable democracy. Iraq made sense. It has a high literacy rate and was a very secular ME country. Saddam and the Baathists were not loved. We also need for our security to have airbases in Iraq next to Iran and safe oil.
Something had to shake up the pathetic political structure of the ME. It wasn’t coming fast enough internally.
That is Bush’s big picture and history hasn’t rendered a verdict yet. But, I feel it is worth the effort.
When you don’t have a free press, a fair capitalistic system, and no political voice it’s easy for the angry mob to turn to extreme religious fundamantalism.
The IRA and their sympathizers felt politically disenfranchized. The cause at the time was right. The IRA inexcusable as the voice. That the murderous thugs are now busy in drug trafficking is no surprise. AQ, when it is defeated, will default to the same criminal underbelly.
Please don’t think that I ever condone terrorism under any circumstances. I’m just pointing out what I think are some of the dynamics. Choosing to murder or staging peaceful public protests like the Ukraine/Lebanon should either send you to the gallows or make you a saint.
They have good holidays, course they probably save lots by only needing a few pounds of c4 for your retirement program.
CAWBuzz is hoping to unionize the Liberals.
Why? The checkoff dues: cash in brown envelopes?
See it here: Local #$$$ A. Gagliano, Prez., Svend Robinson Chief Whipper, P. Martin, Jr., Treasurer,
Don Boudria, Consultant, Libby Davies, Weight-Watcher, S. Brison, Hand-Holder, Willy Graham, Recruiter, Toomy Douglas, Patron Saint, Karl Marx, Historian.
Next Meeting: 01 April 2006.
Place: Sub-basement, Mama Teresa’s Ristorante, Ottawa.
Topic: Merger.
Admission Price: Cash $$$$
Sponsor & Guest Speaker: CAW, CAW, CAW…
Hargrove Suggests Liberal-NDP Coalition
Josh Pringle
Tuesday, February 21, 2006 6:05 AM
Buzz Hargrove suggests the Liberals and the NDP should lay the groundwork to form a coalition.
The President of the Canadian Auto Workers Union says his plan is not a merger.
Hargove says the Liberal Party of Canada should stop running candidates in NDP-friendly ridings.
He adds the NDP should pull out of Liberal strongholds.
Hargrove says he doesn’t believe anyone would have the courage to support a merger between the two parties. +
cfra.com