CP, aka Communist Press, is first out of the gate with the Librano$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ propaganda.
A hero for sparing Canada an election: an election prevented by the calumny of AdScam Martin & his regime.
Even death has no meaning for the socialists.
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Independent B.C. MP who saved Liberal government dies after cancer fight
VANCOUVER (CP) – Chuck Cadman, the Independent MP from B.C. whose vote rescued the minority Liberals and spared the country a summer election, has died.
Good riddance. Too bad you couldn’t collect on the graft the Libs promised you in exchange for your vote, eh Chucky? Hahhhhhh.
Instead of saying “died” the euphemism used to be “passed away” (i.e. to somewhere else, assumed to be better). Now even Kate uses the current contraction of that phrase, “passes”. What? a football? a poker bet? a vehicle on the road? on one’s moral obligations?
Kate: Let’s keep the language clear.
Mark
Ottawa
Here is the language of the Librano$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Who cast the deciding vote? The Speaker cast the deciding vote. Deliberate lie? Only the Zanadian Broadcorping Castration knows for sure; and, it will never tell the truth. BTW, BS is not mentioned; BS is finished.
Librano$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
CBC News – 1 hour ago
Independent MP Chuck Cadman, who cast the deciding vote that let Paul Martin’s minority Liberal government survive a confidence motion in May, has died of skin cancer. Cadman, 57, died on Saturday with his …
I guess that leaves a senate seat available. I wonder what his ‘judgement’ will be for saving the Librano$, and goosing his country?
Rest in peace, kind sir.
You were a good man. I pray that you are having a wonderful reunion with your son, Jesse.
Too bad.
that so late.
However any of us feels about Mr. Cadman’s role in maintaining the Liberal government past its “best before” date, I’m ashamed that there are people out there who can say “good riddance” to this man’s death. No one deserves death by cancer. I know. It’s a brutal, brutal way to go, particularly in the last few days, and even with modern painkillers.
RIP, Chuck Cadman.
Iron Lady and Sean: God but I hope you’re not Conservatives. Do you lack no shame or compassion in your idiotic posts? Me? I’m Conservative and proud of it but I still liked and admired Cadman. Chuck was a kind, honest, decent man and I’m proud to say he’s a British Columbian.
Good thing there is no longer a Reform Party, or the MSM would have hailed the passing of an evil one.
In honour of a honest man and his family
In honour of a honest man and his family.
“I’m ashamed that there are people out there who can say “good riddance” to this man’s death.”
Yeh, well, I’m nothing if not honest.
“No one deserves death by cancer.”
I can think of a few who do.
“Iron Lady and Sean: God but I hope you’re not Conservatives. Do you lack no shame or compassion in your idiotic posts?”
Nope, I’m not Conservative. Even I’m not THAT intolerant of others. 😉
This question has been on my mind since I heard the news I wonder whether he was honest in his polling. He claimed that his constituents did not want and election. If he was honest he would have told them that his doctors had given him less than 6 months to live and there was a good possiblity a byelection would be forced. Given that information would they still have said “we don’t want and election”. Bottom line – they were likely going to the polls anyway.
I can’t say I’m sorry he’s gone. He stood up for corruption as his last act in parliament – what a disgraceful legacy for an apparently kind, honest and decent man.
I frankly do not understand it. I live in Cadmans constituency and voted for what I thought was an honorable man. No matter which way you slice it Chuck Cadman sold out.
Based on the fact that the advice Tim Murphy gave to Grewal on tape to justify his (Grewals)potential sell out was word for word the excuse Cadman used to justify his own sell out, one would think that Cadman had shrewdly negotiated himself a nice reward somewhere down the line.
But to die a month after doing so would suggest that Mr. Cadman must have known he was terminal.
The Liberals must have promised something to turn him. Unfortunately for Mr. Cadman, now that he has gone to meet his maker, the Liberals will see no reason to honor their promise (honor is not in the Liberal dictionary.)
So the unanswered question will be why Chuck why, if you new you were going to die did you do what you did??
I am just astonished that he would want his legacy to be one that will be left in the hands of the shameless, corrupt Paul Martin Liberals.
Why, Chuck, if you knew you were going to die, would you have not taken the opportunity to kick Trudeaupian liberalism (with a large dose of Chretien/Martin corruption mixed in)square in the nuts? I guess we’ll never know.
One thing I do know though, is that the impact of your capitulation to the Liberal side of the house will be felt for years to come. And I seriously doubt that anyone on that side of the house truly gave a shit about you or your cause.
There one thing that no doctor can cure … only voters in this very sick country .. that is the “East Infection” that is like a cancer on our dominion. We must cut out that horrid Liberal tumor before the rest of body dies. Perhaps if Western Canada disects itself from the “rest of Canada” we can have a two tiered country … one free, with some common sense prevailing .. the other remaining with the disease that can follow Eurabia down the chute.
ward ….that’s exactly as I feel…..he was bought.
Cancer of the skin. Must have been pretty virulent. Mr. Cadman rest in peace. I won’t forget what you did to this country. G*d forgives. I’m still trying to but I’m only human.
Exactly Ward
Why … if you knew you were going to die … why did you stand up for that government … and why did you claim you constituents told you to.
I maintained at the time that Cadman made the decision he did because he didn’t have the fight for an election at that time pure and simple.So he sold out the country.
Horny Toad
Very Disturbing, not even in a man’s passing can people be so uncaring.
Some of you could have waited.
Rick
below is my comment in story bfore this one.
I did not know at that time. So i waited ….and look what has happen!
Going back to Chuck Cadman.
I do not buy his “story”. knowing how Liberals coach on Grawal tapes.
It’s just enother sorry ass.
Posted by george at July 9, 2005 10:24 PM
Good riddance, are words spoken on the death of tyrants, child molestors or murderers not political opponents.
I certainly hope Mr. Harper et al will not be so calous, or stupid as to believe that anything Mr. Cadman may or may not have done as an MP was bad enough to warant such disrespect.
I have never bought into the idiocy of cannonizing a known moron upon his/her death. A jerk is a jerk, and when he dies he becomes a dead jerk.
Upon hearing of Mr. Cadman’s death, I understood his distaste for a June election, from a personal perspective. That being said, Cadman entered politics for a reason and a cause, centred around his son’s senseless murder and the laws that allowed it to happen. The Libs bought him by allowing his private bills full support of the government. I have no idea if they were ever passed (does anyone?), in which case I guess he got what he wanted. If they weren’t passed, then Canadians were not the only ones shafted in that deal.
Cadman was an honorable man placed in a difficult position. I would like to believe that, had it been me, I’d have chosen differently.
Unfortunately for Chuck, his legacy does not appear to be one of a man of honor, and for that, I am sorry.
Candace
And you s/b.honor…is this Canadian?
Value?
you not kidding?
are you?
Especially in light of his passing, I have only good things to say of Mr. Cadman right now. RIP.
Here’s the ironic thing, though. Apparently his constituents who were against having an election were the key deciders in the entire nation against having a federal election. When a byelection is called, it will be ONLY his constituency that is sent to an election.
Well I was going to wait for remarks on Cadmans death, he’s not in the ground yet, but he has changed Canadian hitory or delayed it, whatever the future brings. It burns my butt to see the Furerhor flaunting himself around the world on these phonie photo ops, which always give any Prime Minister orgasms and accomplishing as usual nothing, but he should be fighting an election now if it wasn’t for the “leftie” Cadman. He said his constituents didn’t want an election then. Just before the last election Cadmans riding came up for question when there were hundreds of new party applications taken out, and when Cadman was asked how many constituents were party members I remember him saying that there had been hardly more than 240 all the time he was there, and all of a sudden there were 2400 news ones.(give or take, but I don’t think my numbers are too far out, I heard the interview, someone correct me if I am wrong) that being so, then which of the so-called “Constituents” was he talking about? the 240 of the old guard, or the 2400 of the new guard, that lost the candidicy with Cadman winning as an Independent. Who are these people? If it comes down to a telephone poll, 2400 is a little bit larger than 240. However I think Cadman knew all along what he was going to do, and the way the Librao$ have been seen to be operating for the past twelve years, is it impossible that Cadman was not set up with a Swiss bank account, him knowing that he did not have long to go, and a MP Widows pension is scrap to live on as opposed to the cushy life style he and his family have become accustomed to. You see how corrupt the system has become for me to even think that, but look what they did with Inky Mark, and the both Grewalls, is it so outlandish with the present corruption in Ottawa to think that a little thing like a Swiss bank acct. is out of the question? If Herr Martin can operate what I consider an ill legal Govt, (The Governor General should have ordered him to have his own confidence vote the day after he lost the first one but friends will be friends?)then he is capable of doing anything, and a sick man in Cadmans position could agree to anything, especialy when there is money in it, and it wouldn’t be just milk and bread money here. We may never find out and I don’t need to, all I know is that we still have Herr Chretien and his gang of mafiosa thugs, and for that we can thank Cadman, rich or poor.
Stephen Parksville BC ww 2 vet.
Most of you still don�t get it, do you? Chuck didn�t vote to support the budget because he wanted the Liberal government to stay in power. He � and his constituents who backed him up on this (yes, Ward � there was a vote in the constituency. Were you paying attention?) made that decision because there was important legislation still on the table that we wanted a decision on before it died with parliament! Namely: Bill C-2 (child pornography), Bill C-10, Bill C-13, Bill C-26, Bill C-275 (this was a Conservative bill, by the way, that we wanted to have passed � also known as Carly�s Law � Chuck wanted it passed � you gonna say he �sold out� on that too?). There were other bills, some more urgent than others, but you can do your own damned homework on them. This is what it was about � the remaining work to be done, not who gets out for recess early!
I don�t know whether you�re all being obtuse on purpose, or you really don�t pay attention to what�s going on in this country. And in the end, it really doesn�t matter, because you are all too busy navel-gazing to figure out that you are not the only ones who live here, that you are not the only ones who have opinions that matter, and that you are not the only ones who care what happens to this country. Instead, you jump up and down with glee on the corpse of a man not yet cold, and you think you�re going to make a difference by doing so.
How very Christian of you.
outwest: Well said, outwest. I can’t believe I’m reading some of this hatefilled stuff. No wonder “they” think we are dingbats.
Outwest – Cadman did not say he supported this government because there were important bills on the table. First he was a single issue candidate trying to do something about the murder of his son – he wasn’t about all those other issues. And second, he said that his constituents did not want an election. By that point in time he knew his cancer was terminal – he knew they would be going to the polls anyway! – You have it wrong. Perhaps you want a legacy for him that is something other than standing for corruption and an inept government. He may have been a fine and honorable man – but that is not what his last act in parliament stood for. Enough said.
Sheila
Chuck may have gone into politics on a single issue, but he stayed � and got re-elected as an independent! � because of other issues.
Yes, he said his constituents did not want an election. It�s true. We did not want an election. We wanted the bloody government to finish what it started before it got to go home! We should have to explain this to the rest of the country? In words of one syllable, I guess so…
And he did not, at the time, know that his battle with melanoma was lost. He was gearing up to stand for election again, and he was gaining weight that he had lost during his last round of chemotherapy. It wasn�t until last week that his doctors told him he had very little time left.
I have it wrong? I live here. It took no more effort than to drop in to his office and ask questions and find out what was really going on. And what do you do when you�re not second-guessing and wishful-thinking?
“How very Christian of you.”
Now THAT is an insult. You have impugned me, sir.
Ward: I could not have said it better.
I voted for him twice and even gave him money.
I even rode around with his re-election signs on my motorcycle.
He was a good and decent man.. but I wished he has stepped down because, aside from the budget vote, he didn’t do much. His website has been frozen since 2004 and he’s got the second highest absenteeism in all of parliament.
His competition before this was a Conservative, race based candidate but the support for Chuck shows that this is a pretty fluid riding. It’s going to be an interesting by-election.
Outwest:
I was in contact with Mr. Cadmans constituency office on three different occaissions prior to the parliamentary vote.
Specifically I made my views clear on how I wished Mr. Cadman to vote and was adamant that I wanted to ensure that MR. Cadman heard my voice.
I was advised to leave a message on the answering machine. Never once was there mention of any “vote” within the constituency.
Mr. Cadman himself said that his decision was based on “polling” (very vague) his constituents on whether they wanted and election at this time.
Please advise me on where the polling stations were for the “vote” you speak of, the style and content of the questions asked, and advise on who oversaw the counting of the votes.
Commenting on Cadmans legacy, seeing as it is one that may well have significant impact on the country moving forward is legitimate, and that is primarily what I am seeing here save for the odd post.
Unless you can prove that there was in fact a democratic vote within the constituency, that all constituents were invited to take part in (which is your implication)then it would have to be said that Cadmans last and most important act of his political career was selling out.
Cadman as Victim.
“… an independent, a great rarity in parliamentary politics.” How so great a rarity? Not so.
“He saved the country from a summer election…”
Single-handedly?
“Cadman himself became a victim of politics,…” The V-word.
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On Chuck Cadman. By Joseph Planta. http://www.thecommentary.ca/archives/20050710.html
Ward
If you were in touch with the constituency office, and if you were confirmed to be a member of the Surrey North riding, and if you made your wishes known to Wendy, then you got your vote. Just because you weren�t in the majority on this issue does not mean that your vote wasn�t counted. Most of us expressed our wishes opposite to yours, obviously.
I didn�t always agree with Chuck�s point of view, or the way he voted. But I know that my views were always considered. And when things didn�t go the way I would have wished, I always knew that the majority of the riding wanted something else. I never once accused anyone of selling out when I didn�t get my way.
Outwest:
I’m going to call Shenanigans on that poll too.
I faxed, E-mailed and called up to 3 weeks ahead of the vote and got no responses. No one else in this riding heard about this poll either.
I’m well aware that a poll of constituents may have not wanted an election but that does not equal support for the Federal Liberals. Chuck Cadmans earlier press releases slammed the Liberals on a number of points so it was a shock when he stuck with this poll’s results.
BC Con, of course I’m a conservative, and of course I respected Cadman, for the most part. But he was on tv saying how he opposed the Liberals what they stood for, and how they shouldn’t get away with it. And I sent him an e-mail of support and encouragement when I heard how sick he was, and how he was a man of integrity. Therefore, when it came time to do the right thing in terms of a broader picture, and he opted to use ‘my constituents don’t want it’, which we now know was the mantra advised by Libs as Dosanjh and Murphy later pointed out, I felt quite sickend. I wouldn’t wish his fate on anybody, believe me. But I do think, if facing death, it would have been far more honourable to do the right thing than the safe thing. But I liked him, respected him, but will always wonder how he felt after the dirty deed was done.
Outwest:
Outwest, you stated there was a vote. What you describe is not a vote, and in no way describes what I experienced. Did you deliberately set out to misinform?
I will guarantee you that Mr. Cadmans constituency office has no empirical data to back up his (or your) claim.
Again, the “official” reason for his support of the illegal Liberal government was based on the questionable results of an impromptu “poll” framed around a Liberal talking point.
The last 4 federal elections were all called by the Liberals well in advance of the end of their mandate. Yet at any time did you ever hear the question asked whether people wanted an election??
Cadman started his career a as a Reform MP following the murder of his son. He did so out of a desire to change the system.
Since the Liberals were well entrenched, would it not made more sense for him to have run as a Liberal?
My guess would be that like most Reformers, his beliefs and values were polar opposites of the Federal Liberals (who were much closer to the center politically then than they are today), and that he realized that Liberal/Trudeaupian policies had much to do with the breakdown of Canadian society that in some part may have contributed to the death of his son.
Yet at the end of the day he propped up a government that was far to the left (and demonstratabley corrupt) of the Liberal government he opposed when he began his career.
Can you give me a good reason why Mr. Cadman did not “poll” his constituents on a more relevant questions such as “do you think the Liberals have lost the moral/legal right to govern”?
What do you suppose the answer to that question would be?
And finally, please do not confuse legitimate criticisms of Chuck Cadman MP with Chuck Cadman husband/father.
May God Have Mercy on Our Souls!-
Isn’t this typical of the mindset of Canadians these days!- Chuck Cadman dies suddenly and (even though he had cancer, unexpectedly)
The comments here raise the one issue we have been plagued with these last 10 or so years , particularly the last two or so and that is:
We have a penchant in this country to ‘blame’ , someone or something for the ills we face democratically. Especially ‘someone else’!
I have seen : “Ontario is the reason we have a corrupt liberal party in Ottawa. It is ALL Ontario’s fault if only they would wise UP!”
“It is ALL the Bloc’s fault. They are separatists after all so you can’t trust anything they say” ( even though when they did speak, particularly Duceppe, they make PERFECT sense on most issues) And on Adscam, more than perfect sense.
“Stephen Harper is ‘scary'” and not able to keep his caucus in check, so ergo, HE is weak and that is the reason for all our ills… ( notwithstanding the fact that everytime this hackneyed line shows up it is perpetrated by some media type ala Scott Reid marched endlessly across the screen by the CBC, CTV, etc.)
The scenario that led to Chuck Cadman being the tie vote that made it necessary for Peter Milliken to BE the deciding vote is complicated, varied and lays the blame, if one scrutinizes it carefully, exactly WHERE it belongs:
On the Canadian Electorate.
Chuck was a victim of circumstances as much as he was a victim of Cancer and of being the father of a murdered child.
CIRCUMSTANCES
The circumstances in this case ARE: WE the people are weak and uninformed. Lazy and lethargic when it comes to politics and policies. We let the MSM not only FORM opinion but MAKE our decisions FOR us.
How many of us would STAND for one second a thief who boldy puts his hand in our pocket and takes from us the money we worked for two weeks to make and have just cashed that cheque and put it in our wallets, only to have a greedy thief take it from us. THIS is what the liberals have been doing to us, not once but many millions of times over and for many years. Yet we continue to let it happen, even making excuses for the thief.
Now that Chuck has passed on to his ultimate reward , we who are left behave like a bunch of vultures over the carcass of some unfortunate thing left to the elements.
The ‘cawing’ and ‘caterwaling’ creates a din of truly monumental purportions that would offend the ears of God himself.
And I hope they have. Should HE visit some sort of catastrophe on us as a nation we could not deserve it more. Come to think of it, he might have already: In the form of Paul Martin and the liberal party, who it seems have been having us on for quite some time and we are just now getting around to realizing it. And, in the realizing, we continue to allow it.
Still we blame a poor man who has just died and whose family and friends now mourn in deepest pain at his passing and will be raw to the emotions of it for months and years to come.
Pity and pray for his widow and daughter. They have lost a son and brother and now have lost a husband and father.
They are still with us and should be our concern.
What Chuck did or did not do politically is no longer of any importance if it ever were.
For WE as a people bear the responsibility for the situation arising as it did.
We knew the liberals were corrupt and used money that was not theirs to attain and keep power, yet we pretended that Martin was not among them.
How silly and unsophisticated of us. Yet, knowing better, we put them in power with a minority government when in fact it SHOULD have been a Conservative majority by a wide margin.
But, then again, we aren’t all that bright when it comes to voting since we are not paying attention most of the time and when we are we let the TV tell us how it is.
May Chuck rest in peace and his family find comfort where they may.
And now it is up to us to make sure that changes come about that make it clear what we ALL think about crime , corruption and the theft of millions if not billions of taxpayer dollars and an illegitmate government making laws and policies for us. For it is not up to Chuck or one riding to make those decisions , it is up to us ALL.
Let us shange the subject… to Good Mr. Iron Man.
Mr. Cadman was a good man who may or may not have made a mistake that last time he was in the House.
Regardless, I salute him. I believed always he was principled. May not have gotten everything he wanted from the government on the justice file, but he did his part. I hope I someday do “my part” somehow as well.
And, “Knight”, yes, perhaps we must move on with life, I’m sure Chuck would’ve said so. Gurmant, I read via Neale, gave more tapes to the Mounties. This should be interesting to wait and watch.
“Chuck Cadman being the tie vote” is puzzling. BS in her defection caused a shift of two votes, no?
PM Martin’s vote can be designated the tie vote; or, Stephen Harper’s vote; or, any of the votes cast can be designated as the tie vote.
The tie in the voting was broken by the Speaker casting his vote. The Speaker could not abstain in the circumstances in which he found himself.
Some are saying Cadman is a victim of politics; a victim of circumstances; what is a victim? How do Cadman’s political decisions transmute him into being a victim?
Did he not make his decisions by his own volition? There are consequences when political decisions are made. Cadman made his political decisions a short few days past. The consequences are left for all Canadians.
Reading through the comments left here I am pleased to see that at least some people had the abilitiy to look past how Cadman voted, and took the time to at least wish his family well during this most difficult time. As for for the rest of slime here, are these the moral and traditional family values that we keep hearing about from the CPC? Is the level od descency that we can expect from Harper and the CPC? Hey you guys could go to his funneral and piss on the grave in front of widow to show your respects.
And you guys wonder why voters in Ontario don’t trust the CPC, we have you guys as a shining example of the values that the CPC respresent.
Nice job.
While I did not agree with Chuck’s vote to prop up the Librano$ government, I think he did us a favour by extending their time in office, and our time to get ready for the next election.
Let’s face it, we were not ready. The OLO communictions staff was (and is) in chaos.
Just look how they fumbled the Gurmant tape issue. We had them dead to rights and they let the whole issue turn to s&!t.
While I think that Harper is a smart guy, and I support him, I think that some of the people surrounding him are not giving him the best advice. At first, he supported Gurmant, then he distanced himself by being silent, and then came to his defence long after we had lost the story.
With things like this slipping through our fingers, in hindsight, you have to realize that Cadman did us a big favour in delaying an election.
But whatever you thought of Cadman’s vote on the budget, his short political career was a good one, and an honest one.
I for one will miss him.
See? Maz2 got it right. It wasn’t Cadman’s fault. It was all the fault of Belinda!! Please, everyone – read snowbunnie’s post again and let’s quit dumping on the first available target for what ails us. We’re the ones at fault …. not Chuck, not Belinda, etc etc
Jim Pook, I wish I was on Harper’s communications staff. I believe I could’ve helped make things work out better. But that’s hindsight, and it wasn’t all that good for the Libs, either, as we know it was the MSM that made them look better than us. It is mostly a matter of having mastery over the sheep that just love to hurt us CPCers.
We have to really learn how to deal with the MSM to actually change their behavior. It IS possible.
And I’m totally with Snowbunnie wrt her long post above.
“Snowbunnie”. Cute name!
“Zorpheous” and others: This is not a memorial site to Chuck Cadman. It is a politically oriented blog, and when politicians pass away, as sad as that is, their records are bound to be debated.
Chuck Cadman was a politician. He made the decision to enter the field of politics of his own free will and as such, post mortems of his political career are going to come thick and fast. It’s part of the deal.
He was one of a very few individuals who have sought and won a seat in Parlaiment. He was one of even fewer who had it in his hands to bring down a corrupt government, and he chose not to do so.
That decision was, and remains, a topic of fair debate and criticism. He chose his role, he made his decision, and it is his legacy, for better or for worse.
Argue how you will about whether he was right or wrong – in my opinion, that he stretched his moment in the limelight like a prima donna on stage for the first time, was not honourable, nor was it principled.
He is not being judged here as a private citizen, but as a politician. None of these comments are being pasted to cards and sent to his family, so give the “this is why the CPC will never be elected” crap a rest.
The people posting here are ordinary Canadians, period. As am I. Criticize their comments if you will – but it is inappropriate to assign their disappointment and anger at Chuck Cadman (which they are Goddamned entitled to) to any political party.
It’s cheap-shot politics and you know it.
The evil that men do lives after them; The good is oft interr�d with their bones.
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anybody want to buy a re-election sign?
“Hey you guys could go to his funneral and piss on the grave in front of widow to show your respects.”
That would be a waste of perfectly good moisture.
CP, aka Communist Press, is first out of the gate with the Librano$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ propaganda.
A hero for sparing Canada an election: an election prevented by the calumny of AdScam Martin & his regime.
Even death has no meaning for the socialists.
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Independent B.C. MP who saved Liberal government dies after cancer fight
VANCOUVER (CP) – Chuck Cadman, the Independent MP from B.C. whose vote rescued the minority Liberals and spared the country a summer election, has died.
Good riddance. Too bad you couldn’t collect on the graft the Libs promised you in exchange for your vote, eh Chucky? Hahhhhhh.
Instead of saying “died” the euphemism used to be “passed away” (i.e. to somewhere else, assumed to be better). Now even Kate uses the current contraction of that phrase, “passes”. What? a football? a poker bet? a vehicle on the road? on one’s moral obligations?
Kate: Let’s keep the language clear.
Mark
Ottawa
Here is the language of the Librano$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Who cast the deciding vote? The Speaker cast the deciding vote. Deliberate lie? Only the Zanadian Broadcorping Castration knows for sure; and, it will never tell the truth. BTW, BS is not mentioned; BS is finished.
Librano$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
CBC News – 1 hour ago
Independent MP Chuck Cadman, who cast the deciding vote that let Paul Martin’s minority Liberal government survive a confidence motion in May, has died of skin cancer. Cadman, 57, died on Saturday with his …
I guess that leaves a senate seat available. I wonder what his ‘judgement’ will be for saving the Librano$, and goosing his country?
Rest in peace, kind sir.
You were a good man. I pray that you are having a wonderful reunion with your son, Jesse.
Too bad.
that so late.
However any of us feels about Mr. Cadman’s role in maintaining the Liberal government past its “best before” date, I’m ashamed that there are people out there who can say “good riddance” to this man’s death.
No one deserves death by cancer. I know. It’s a brutal, brutal way to go, particularly in the last few days, and even with modern painkillers.
RIP, Chuck Cadman.
Iron Lady and Sean: God but I hope you’re not Conservatives. Do you lack no shame or compassion in your idiotic posts? Me? I’m Conservative and proud of it but I still liked and admired Cadman. Chuck was a kind, honest, decent man and I’m proud to say he’s a British Columbian.
Good thing there is no longer a Reform Party, or the MSM would have hailed the passing of an evil one.
In honour of a honest man and his family
In honour of a honest man and his family.
“I’m ashamed that there are people out there who can say “good riddance” to this man’s death.”
Yeh, well, I’m nothing if not honest.
“No one deserves death by cancer.”
I can think of a few who do.
“Iron Lady and Sean: God but I hope you’re not Conservatives. Do you lack no shame or compassion in your idiotic posts?”
Nope, I’m not Conservative. Even I’m not THAT intolerant of others. 😉
This question has been on my mind since I heard the news I wonder whether he was honest in his polling. He claimed that his constituents did not want and election. If he was honest he would have told them that his doctors had given him less than 6 months to live and there was a good possiblity a byelection would be forced. Given that information would they still have said “we don’t want and election”. Bottom line – they were likely going to the polls anyway.
I can’t say I’m sorry he’s gone. He stood up for corruption as his last act in parliament – what a disgraceful legacy for an apparently kind, honest and decent man.
I frankly do not understand it. I live in Cadmans constituency and voted for what I thought was an honorable man. No matter which way you slice it Chuck Cadman sold out.
Based on the fact that the advice Tim Murphy gave to Grewal on tape to justify his (Grewals)potential sell out was word for word the excuse Cadman used to justify his own sell out, one would think that Cadman had shrewdly negotiated himself a nice reward somewhere down the line.
But to die a month after doing so would suggest that Mr. Cadman must have known he was terminal.
The Liberals must have promised something to turn him. Unfortunately for Mr. Cadman, now that he has gone to meet his maker, the Liberals will see no reason to honor their promise (honor is not in the Liberal dictionary.)
So the unanswered question will be why Chuck why, if you new you were going to die did you do what you did??
I am just astonished that he would want his legacy to be one that will be left in the hands of the shameless, corrupt Paul Martin Liberals.
Why, Chuck, if you knew you were going to die, would you have not taken the opportunity to kick Trudeaupian liberalism (with a large dose of Chretien/Martin corruption mixed in)square in the nuts? I guess we’ll never know.
One thing I do know though, is that the impact of your capitulation to the Liberal side of the house will be felt for years to come. And I seriously doubt that anyone on that side of the house truly gave a shit about you or your cause.
There one thing that no doctor can cure … only voters in this very sick country .. that is the “East Infection” that is like a cancer on our dominion. We must cut out that horrid Liberal tumor before the rest of body dies. Perhaps if Western Canada disects itself from the “rest of Canada” we can have a two tiered country … one free, with some common sense prevailing .. the other remaining with the disease that can follow Eurabia down the chute.
ward ….that’s exactly as I feel…..he was bought.
Cancer of the skin. Must have been pretty virulent. Mr. Cadman rest in peace. I won’t forget what you did to this country. G*d forgives. I’m still trying to but I’m only human.
Exactly Ward
Why … if you knew you were going to die … why did you stand up for that government … and why did you claim you constituents told you to.
I maintained at the time that Cadman made the decision he did because he didn’t have the fight for an election at that time pure and simple.So he sold out the country.
Horny Toad
Very Disturbing, not even in a man’s passing can people be so uncaring.
Some of you could have waited.
Rick
below is my comment in story bfore this one.
I did not know at that time. So i waited ….and look what has happen!
Going back to Chuck Cadman.
I do not buy his “story”. knowing how Liberals coach on Grawal tapes.
It’s just enother sorry ass.
Posted by george at July 9, 2005 10:24 PM
Good riddance, are words spoken on the death of tyrants, child molestors or murderers not political opponents.
I certainly hope Mr. Harper et al will not be so calous, or stupid as to believe that anything Mr. Cadman may or may not have done as an MP was bad enough to warant such disrespect.
I have never bought into the idiocy of cannonizing a known moron upon his/her death. A jerk is a jerk, and when he dies he becomes a dead jerk.
Upon hearing of Mr. Cadman’s death, I understood his distaste for a June election, from a personal perspective. That being said, Cadman entered politics for a reason and a cause, centred around his son’s senseless murder and the laws that allowed it to happen. The Libs bought him by allowing his private bills full support of the government. I have no idea if they were ever passed (does anyone?), in which case I guess he got what he wanted. If they weren’t passed, then Canadians were not the only ones shafted in that deal.
Cadman was an honorable man placed in a difficult position. I would like to believe that, had it been me, I’d have chosen differently.
Unfortunately for Chuck, his legacy does not appear to be one of a man of honor, and for that, I am sorry.
Candace
And you s/b.honor…is this Canadian?
Value?
you not kidding?
are you?
Especially in light of his passing, I have only good things to say of Mr. Cadman right now. RIP.
Here’s the ironic thing, though. Apparently his constituents who were against having an election were the key deciders in the entire nation against having a federal election. When a byelection is called, it will be ONLY his constituency that is sent to an election.
Well I was going to wait for remarks on Cadmans death, he’s not in the ground yet, but he has changed Canadian hitory or delayed it, whatever the future brings. It burns my butt to see the Furerhor flaunting himself around the world on these phonie photo ops, which always give any Prime Minister orgasms and accomplishing as usual nothing, but he should be fighting an election now if it wasn’t for the “leftie” Cadman. He said his constituents didn’t want an election then. Just before the last election Cadmans riding came up for question when there were hundreds of new party applications taken out, and when Cadman was asked how many constituents were party members I remember him saying that there had been hardly more than 240 all the time he was there, and all of a sudden there were 2400 news ones.(give or take, but I don’t think my numbers are too far out, I heard the interview, someone correct me if I am wrong) that being so, then which of the so-called “Constituents” was he talking about? the 240 of the old guard, or the 2400 of the new guard, that lost the candidicy with Cadman winning as an Independent. Who are these people? If it comes down to a telephone poll, 2400 is a little bit larger than 240. However I think Cadman knew all along what he was going to do, and the way the Librao$ have been seen to be operating for the past twelve years, is it impossible that Cadman was not set up with a Swiss bank account, him knowing that he did not have long to go, and a MP Widows pension is scrap to live on as opposed to the cushy life style he and his family have become accustomed to. You see how corrupt the system has become for me to even think that, but look what they did with Inky Mark, and the both Grewalls, is it so outlandish with the present corruption in Ottawa to think that a little thing like a Swiss bank acct. is out of the question? If Herr Martin can operate what I consider an ill legal Govt, (The Governor General should have ordered him to have his own confidence vote the day after he lost the first one but friends will be friends?)then he is capable of doing anything, and a sick man in Cadmans position could agree to anything, especialy when there is money in it, and it wouldn’t be just milk and bread money here. We may never find out and I don’t need to, all I know is that we still have Herr Chretien and his gang of mafiosa thugs, and for that we can thank Cadman, rich or poor.
Stephen Parksville BC ww 2 vet.
Most of you still don�t get it, do you? Chuck didn�t vote to support the budget because he wanted the Liberal government to stay in power. He � and his constituents who backed him up on this (yes, Ward � there was a vote in the constituency. Were you paying attention?) made that decision because there was important legislation still on the table that we wanted a decision on before it died with parliament! Namely: Bill C-2 (child pornography), Bill C-10, Bill C-13, Bill C-26, Bill C-275 (this was a Conservative bill, by the way, that we wanted to have passed � also known as Carly�s Law � Chuck wanted it passed � you gonna say he �sold out� on that too?). There were other bills, some more urgent than others, but you can do your own damned homework on them. This is what it was about � the remaining work to be done, not who gets out for recess early!
I don�t know whether you�re all being obtuse on purpose, or you really don�t pay attention to what�s going on in this country. And in the end, it really doesn�t matter, because you are all too busy navel-gazing to figure out that you are not the only ones who live here, that you are not the only ones who have opinions that matter, and that you are not the only ones who care what happens to this country. Instead, you jump up and down with glee on the corpse of a man not yet cold, and you think you�re going to make a difference by doing so.
How very Christian of you.
outwest: Well said, outwest. I can’t believe I’m reading some of this hatefilled stuff. No wonder “they” think we are dingbats.
Outwest – Cadman did not say he supported this government because there were important bills on the table. First he was a single issue candidate trying to do something about the murder of his son – he wasn’t about all those other issues. And second, he said that his constituents did not want an election. By that point in time he knew his cancer was terminal – he knew they would be going to the polls anyway! – You have it wrong. Perhaps you want a legacy for him that is something other than standing for corruption and an inept government. He may have been a fine and honorable man – but that is not what his last act in parliament stood for. Enough said.
Sheila
Chuck may have gone into politics on a single issue, but he stayed � and got re-elected as an independent! � because of other issues.
Yes, he said his constituents did not want an election. It�s true. We did not want an election. We wanted the bloody government to finish what it started before it got to go home! We should have to explain this to the rest of the country? In words of one syllable, I guess so…
And he did not, at the time, know that his battle with melanoma was lost. He was gearing up to stand for election again, and he was gaining weight that he had lost during his last round of chemotherapy. It wasn�t until last week that his doctors told him he had very little time left.
I have it wrong? I live here. It took no more effort than to drop in to his office and ask questions and find out what was really going on. And what do you do when you�re not second-guessing and wishful-thinking?
“How very Christian of you.”
Now THAT is an insult. You have impugned me, sir.
Ward: I could not have said it better.
I voted for him twice and even gave him money.
I even rode around with his re-election signs on my motorcycle.
He was a good and decent man.. but I wished he has stepped down because, aside from the budget vote, he didn’t do much. His website has been frozen since 2004 and he’s got the second highest absenteeism in all of parliament.
His competition before this was a Conservative, race based candidate but the support for Chuck shows that this is a pretty fluid riding. It’s going to be an interesting by-election.
Outwest:
I was in contact with Mr. Cadmans constituency office on three different occaissions prior to the parliamentary vote.
Specifically I made my views clear on how I wished Mr. Cadman to vote and was adamant that I wanted to ensure that MR. Cadman heard my voice.
I was advised to leave a message on the answering machine. Never once was there mention of any “vote” within the constituency.
Mr. Cadman himself said that his decision was based on “polling” (very vague) his constituents on whether they wanted and election at this time.
Please advise me on where the polling stations were for the “vote” you speak of, the style and content of the questions asked, and advise on who oversaw the counting of the votes.
Commenting on Cadmans legacy, seeing as it is one that may well have significant impact on the country moving forward is legitimate, and that is primarily what I am seeing here save for the odd post.
Unless you can prove that there was in fact a democratic vote within the constituency, that all constituents were invited to take part in (which is your implication)then it would have to be said that Cadmans last and most important act of his political career was selling out.
Cadman as Victim.
“… an independent, a great rarity in parliamentary politics.” How so great a rarity? Not so.
“He saved the country from a summer election…”
Single-handedly?
“Cadman himself became a victim of politics,…” The V-word.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Chuck Cadman. By Joseph Planta.
http://www.thecommentary.ca/archives/20050710.html
Ward
If you were in touch with the constituency office, and if you were confirmed to be a member of the Surrey North riding, and if you made your wishes known to Wendy, then you got your vote. Just because you weren�t in the majority on this issue does not mean that your vote wasn�t counted. Most of us expressed our wishes opposite to yours, obviously.
I didn�t always agree with Chuck�s point of view, or the way he voted. But I know that my views were always considered. And when things didn�t go the way I would have wished, I always knew that the majority of the riding wanted something else. I never once accused anyone of selling out when I didn�t get my way.
Outwest:
I’m going to call Shenanigans on that poll too.
I faxed, E-mailed and called up to 3 weeks ahead of the vote and got no responses. No one else in this riding heard about this poll either.
I’m well aware that a poll of constituents may have not wanted an election but that does not equal support for the Federal Liberals. Chuck Cadmans earlier press releases slammed the Liberals on a number of points so it was a shock when he stuck with this poll’s results.
BC Con, of course I’m a conservative, and of course I respected Cadman, for the most part. But he was on tv saying how he opposed the Liberals what they stood for, and how they shouldn’t get away with it. And I sent him an e-mail of support and encouragement when I heard how sick he was, and how he was a man of integrity. Therefore, when it came time to do the right thing in terms of a broader picture, and he opted to use ‘my constituents don’t want it’, which we now know was the mantra advised by Libs as Dosanjh and Murphy later pointed out, I felt quite sickend. I wouldn’t wish his fate on anybody, believe me. But I do think, if facing death, it would have been far more honourable to do the right thing than the safe thing. But I liked him, respected him, but will always wonder how he felt after the dirty deed was done.
Outwest:
Outwest, you stated there was a vote. What you describe is not a vote, and in no way describes what I experienced. Did you deliberately set out to misinform?
I will guarantee you that Mr. Cadmans constituency office has no empirical data to back up his (or your) claim.
Again, the “official” reason for his support of the illegal Liberal government was based on the questionable results of an impromptu “poll” framed around a Liberal talking point.
The last 4 federal elections were all called by the Liberals well in advance of the end of their mandate. Yet at any time did you ever hear the question asked whether people wanted an election??
Cadman started his career a as a Reform MP following the murder of his son. He did so out of a desire to change the system.
Since the Liberals were well entrenched, would it not made more sense for him to have run as a Liberal?
My guess would be that like most Reformers, his beliefs and values were polar opposites of the Federal Liberals (who were much closer to the center politically then than they are today), and that he realized that Liberal/Trudeaupian policies had much to do with the breakdown of Canadian society that in some part may have contributed to the death of his son.
Yet at the end of the day he propped up a government that was far to the left (and demonstratabley corrupt) of the Liberal government he opposed when he began his career.
Can you give me a good reason why Mr. Cadman did not “poll” his constituents on a more relevant questions such as “do you think the Liberals have lost the moral/legal right to govern”?
What do you suppose the answer to that question would be?
And finally, please do not confuse legitimate criticisms of Chuck Cadman MP with Chuck Cadman husband/father.
May God Have Mercy on Our Souls!-
Isn’t this typical of the mindset of Canadians these days!- Chuck Cadman dies suddenly and (even though he had cancer, unexpectedly)
The comments here raise the one issue we have been plagued with these last 10 or so years , particularly the last two or so and that is:
We have a penchant in this country to ‘blame’ , someone or something for the ills we face democratically. Especially ‘someone else’!
I have seen : “Ontario is the reason we have a corrupt liberal party in Ottawa. It is ALL Ontario’s fault if only they would wise UP!”
“It is ALL the Bloc’s fault. They are separatists after all so you can’t trust anything they say” ( even though when they did speak, particularly Duceppe, they make PERFECT sense on most issues) And on Adscam, more than perfect sense.
“Stephen Harper is ‘scary'” and not able to keep his caucus in check, so ergo, HE is weak and that is the reason for all our ills… ( notwithstanding the fact that everytime this hackneyed line shows up it is perpetrated by some media type ala Scott Reid marched endlessly across the screen by the CBC, CTV, etc.)
The scenario that led to Chuck Cadman being the tie vote that made it necessary for Peter Milliken to BE the deciding vote is complicated, varied and lays the blame, if one scrutinizes it carefully, exactly WHERE it belongs:
On the Canadian Electorate.
Chuck was a victim of circumstances as much as he was a victim of Cancer and of being the father of a murdered child.
CIRCUMSTANCES
The circumstances in this case ARE: WE the people are weak and uninformed. Lazy and lethargic when it comes to politics and policies. We let the MSM not only FORM opinion but MAKE our decisions FOR us.
How many of us would STAND for one second a thief who boldy puts his hand in our pocket and takes from us the money we worked for two weeks to make and have just cashed that cheque and put it in our wallets, only to have a greedy thief take it from us. THIS is what the liberals have been doing to us, not once but many millions of times over and for many years. Yet we continue to let it happen, even making excuses for the thief.
Now that Chuck has passed on to his ultimate reward , we who are left behave like a bunch of vultures over the carcass of some unfortunate thing left to the elements.
The ‘cawing’ and ‘caterwaling’ creates a din of truly monumental purportions that would offend the ears of God himself.
And I hope they have. Should HE visit some sort of catastrophe on us as a nation we could not deserve it more. Come to think of it, he might have already: In the form of Paul Martin and the liberal party, who it seems have been having us on for quite some time and we are just now getting around to realizing it. And, in the realizing, we continue to allow it.
Still we blame a poor man who has just died and whose family and friends now mourn in deepest pain at his passing and will be raw to the emotions of it for months and years to come.
Pity and pray for his widow and daughter. They have lost a son and brother and now have lost a husband and father.
They are still with us and should be our concern.
What Chuck did or did not do politically is no longer of any importance if it ever were.
For WE as a people bear the responsibility for the situation arising as it did.
We knew the liberals were corrupt and used money that was not theirs to attain and keep power, yet we pretended that Martin was not among them.
How silly and unsophisticated of us. Yet, knowing better, we put them in power with a minority government when in fact it SHOULD have been a Conservative majority by a wide margin.
But, then again, we aren’t all that bright when it comes to voting since we are not paying attention most of the time and when we are we let the TV tell us how it is.
May Chuck rest in peace and his family find comfort where they may.
And now it is up to us to make sure that changes come about that make it clear what we ALL think about crime , corruption and the theft of millions if not billions of taxpayer dollars and an illegitmate government making laws and policies for us. For it is not up to Chuck or one riding to make those decisions , it is up to us ALL.
Let us shange the subject… to Good Mr. Iron Man.
Mr. Cadman was a good man who may or may not have made a mistake that last time he was in the House.
Regardless, I salute him. I believed always he was principled. May not have gotten everything he wanted from the government on the justice file, but he did his part. I hope I someday do “my part” somehow as well.
And, “Knight”, yes, perhaps we must move on with life, I’m sure Chuck would’ve said so. Gurmant, I read via Neale, gave more tapes to the Mounties. This should be interesting to wait and watch.
“Chuck Cadman being the tie vote” is puzzling. BS in her defection caused a shift of two votes, no?
PM Martin’s vote can be designated the tie vote; or, Stephen Harper’s vote; or, any of the votes cast can be designated as the tie vote.
The tie in the voting was broken by the Speaker casting his vote. The Speaker could not abstain in the circumstances in which he found himself.
Some are saying Cadman is a victim of politics; a victim of circumstances; what is a victim? How do Cadman’s political decisions transmute him into being a victim?
Did he not make his decisions by his own volition? There are consequences when political decisions are made. Cadman made his political decisions a short few days past. The consequences are left for all Canadians.
Reading through the comments left here I am pleased to see that at least some people had the abilitiy to look past how Cadman voted, and took the time to at least wish his family well during this most difficult time. As for for the rest of slime here, are these the moral and traditional family values that we keep hearing about from the CPC? Is the level od descency that we can expect from Harper and the CPC? Hey you guys could go to his funneral and piss on the grave in front of widow to show your respects.
And you guys wonder why voters in Ontario don’t trust the CPC, we have you guys as a shining example of the values that the CPC respresent.
Nice job.
While I did not agree with Chuck’s vote to prop up the Librano$ government, I think he did us a favour by extending their time in office, and our time to get ready for the next election.
Let’s face it, we were not ready. The OLO communictions staff was (and is) in chaos.
Just look how they fumbled the Gurmant tape issue. We had them dead to rights and they let the whole issue turn to s&!t.
While I think that Harper is a smart guy, and I support him, I think that some of the people surrounding him are not giving him the best advice. At first, he supported Gurmant, then he distanced himself by being silent, and then came to his defence long after we had lost the story.
With things like this slipping through our fingers, in hindsight, you have to realize that Cadman did us a big favour in delaying an election.
But whatever you thought of Cadman’s vote on the budget, his short political career was a good one, and an honest one.
I for one will miss him.
See? Maz2 got it right. It wasn’t Cadman’s fault. It was all the fault of Belinda!! Please, everyone – read snowbunnie’s post again and let’s quit dumping on the first available target for what ails us. We’re the ones at fault …. not Chuck, not Belinda, etc etc
Jim Pook, I wish I was on Harper’s communications staff. I believe I could’ve helped make things work out better. But that’s hindsight, and it wasn’t all that good for the Libs, either, as we know it was the MSM that made them look better than us. It is mostly a matter of having mastery over the sheep that just love to hurt us CPCers.
We have to really learn how to deal with the MSM to actually change their behavior. It IS possible.
And I’m totally with Snowbunnie wrt her long post above.
“Snowbunnie”. Cute name!
“Zorpheous” and others: This is not a memorial site to Chuck Cadman. It is a politically oriented blog, and when politicians pass away, as sad as that is, their records are bound to be debated.
Chuck Cadman was a politician. He made the decision to enter the field of politics of his own free will and as such, post mortems of his political career are going to come thick and fast. It’s part of the deal.
He was one of a very few individuals who have sought and won a seat in Parlaiment. He was one of even fewer who had it in his hands to bring down a corrupt government, and he chose not to do so.
That decision was, and remains, a topic of fair debate and criticism. He chose his role, he made his decision, and it is his legacy, for better or for worse.
Argue how you will about whether he was right or wrong – in my opinion, that he stretched his moment in the limelight like a prima donna on stage for the first time, was not honourable, nor was it principled.
He is not being judged here as a private citizen, but as a politician. None of these comments are being pasted to cards and sent to his family, so give the “this is why the CPC will never be elected” crap a rest.
The people posting here are ordinary Canadians, period. As am I. Criticize their comments if you will – but it is inappropriate to assign their disappointment and anger at Chuck Cadman (which they are Goddamned entitled to) to any political party.
It’s cheap-shot politics and you know it.
The evil that men do lives after them; The good is oft interr�d with their bones.
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anybody want to buy a re-election sign?
“Hey you guys could go to his funneral and piss on the grave in front of widow to show your respects.”
That would be a waste of perfectly good moisture.