Protesting the Honouring Of Morgentaler

I'm glad you are bringing attention to the Morgentaler/UWO farce.

There are better candidates who deserve recognition than a man who has made his reputation through the destruction of human life.

UWO should feel shame.

I'm an alumni, and will sign this petition glady.Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

UWO is taking a courageous stand here - gotta support them! Women MUST have control over their reproductive rights. This is a personal choice and not made lightly. I applaud them.

Don't be too shocked, but reproduction is not a right, it's a responsibility.

If it were merely a "right" then wouldn't that give you the "right" to decide the fate of that "right" such as "abort your child?" when it interferes with your "rights?" even if that child is, say 25 and wants to move back home?

Sheesh, in Canuckistan all you hear about are rights, rights, rights, and when it comes to responsibiilties, only the "government" has that, and it usually means the repsonsibiilty to take and spend more money.

It's an in your face move by Davenport, and not all too suprising, if you ever read the Alumni Gazette.That place has gone terribly PC, and honouring a creep like Morgentaler, is disgusting campus politics in action.It is gratuitous and vulgar.

Kate, Thanks! I just signed on.

Funny how it's always men who talk about reproductive reponsibility but you don't take the repsonsibility of actually providing birth control.

The right to maintain control over your own body is a right and reproduction is part of that. Maybe if you men took a more active part in avoiding pregnancies abortion wouldn't be so necessary.

I can't tell you how many lame ass lines I've heard about why "you" don't have condoms available but still want to get laid. Please ...

Dear pro abortion Sheila,
A man's right to control his reproduction ends at coitus. So how come you don't believe in gender equality?

Here's my email to my alma mater.

I wish to thank those who have raised their voices to protest the decision to grant an Honourary Degree to Abortionist Morgentaler and I wish to add my voice to this protest.

Whatever evasion society may use to describe the act of aborting a pregnancy there is no honest way of avoiding the fact that every abortion terminates the life of a human being. The fact that the human being whose life is being taken is underdeveloped and completely dependant upon his or mother does not change the fact that what is occurring is the deliberate killing of a human being. Abortionist Morgentaler has no doubt provided relief to thousands of women experiencing unwanted pregnancies. Nonetheless conduct which provides relief to one human being at the expense of the life of another human being, who is incidentally totally innocent, dependant and vulnerable, is per se immoral.

What is most regrettable is that with intelligent and responsible planning the services provided by Abortionist Morgentaler would not be necessary in the vast majority of cases. (There is, of course, no real money in teaching responsible methods of birth control.)

It is distressing that an institution which celebrates higher learning would honour someone who has made his fortune practicing an unenlightened Dark Ages method of birth control.

An Honourary degree is granted on behalf of the entire university community not just the select few involved in the decision. Bestowing a Doctor of Laws upon this man would show profound disrespect for all those associated with UWO who believe that human life is sacred and that, except to save the lives of others, the taking of life is not the prerogative of any man or women.

Terence G Gain, Lawyer, B.A. 1969

Terry - You're right your job is done all to quickly - and when it comes to reproduction there is no gender equality.

Men can and do walk away - women can't unless abortion is available. When you've taken an active role in Birth Control you can tell me more about my responsiblies so far that's been my game and has always been assumed to be mine.

... Dr. Morgantaler's clinics wouldn't exist if the need for a safe and clean environment for this procedure wasn't necessary or would you prefer the back street butchers of previous generations? And for the record my position is called Pro-Choice for a reason if pushed to the core most pro-choice advocates would not personally choose abortion - however, we won't take that choice away from other women facing different life circumstances.

What most people don't understand is that it's not married women in stable relationships seeking abortions - it's women in abusive relationships and women who have been dumped by men who don't have the moral courage to stand by their choice to have unprotected sex.

And by the way do you write letters to your Alma Mater when they bestow degrees on the people you admire or congratulate them for their excellent choice --- gee thought not!!! Odds are there are plenty of women (even alma mater) who also think this is a bold and courage move.

"[W]omen who have been dumped by men who don't have the moral courage to stand by their choice to have unprotected sex."

Er, excuse me, but, um, doesn't it take two to tango?

I mean, if men are having unprotected sex with women, doesn't that ipso facto mean that women are consenting to unprotected sex with men (unless it's a clear case of rape)?

So then any woman who doesn't "have the moral courage to stand by [her] choice to have unprotected sex" is hardly worthy of much respect if she conveniently chooses to bump off that annoying little baby before it's born.

JJM, quit pointing out that ipso facto stuff. All us women types are victims, victims I tells ya, of brutish men, which is all of them. We are women, hear us roar (unless it's more convenient to be helpless and fragile).

If a woman has the right to control her body, why not start at the brain and think through urges, feelings and desires? If getting pregnant is not convenient, maybe she should exercise the control to not have sex. It is, after all, the leading cause of pregnancy. And far fewer babies will end up in medical waste containers.

Good one, Kathryn. Control over our bodies should actually begin with "don't sleep with jerks," but that might be asking too much of the "free" Sex and the City generation.

Men can and do walk away,...

Sheila,

You are at last 10 years out of date. Today in Ontario, a father earning $50,000.00 per annum will pay $429.00 per month child support for at least 18 years and more commonly for 22 years.

He will pay that sum whether he was assured by the mother that it was safe to have sex and whether the mother allows him to have a relationship with his child. If he does not pay the state will garnishee his wages, seize his property and if all else fails throw him in jail.

Yes, it is true his body won't suffer the sometimes deleterious effects of pregancy - but didn't Mother Nature provide for that? How many men do you know who need to be wined and dined and danced until their feet are sore just to awaken their libidos?

Women can have sex whenever they want whereas men must find willing partners. There is no shortage of men who will respond appropriately when cued by a woman. With all the modern methods of birth control there is no need for this bloody carnage that pro abortionists glibly refer to as a matter of choice-as if one is deciding what to eat or wear.

Why don't you spell out your position more honestly? Do you believe a woman should have the choice of terminating the life of her unborn baby regardless of the stage of gestation and should have the procedure paid by the state whether or not she has practiced birth control?

Women have a choice whether they want to take responsibility for their sex lives and practice enlightened methods of birth control or whether they want to avail themselves of the "services" of Dark Ages Henry.

Finally Sheila I didn't think we were keeping track of who is having abortions in Canada so where is the proof for your statement:

"What most people don't understand is that it's not married women in stable relationships seeking abortions - it's women in abusive relationships and women who have been dumped by men who don't have the moral courage to stand by their choice to have unprotected sex."

I have much the same opinion about this as I have about voluntary euthanasia. If the mother or couple do not have the where with all to care for the child, don't bring it into the world. If however an adoptive family can be found before the (what is it second trimester?) * whatever the safety threshold for mommy is* then that option should be taken. I don't agree with the admittedly sterotypical use of abortions as a form of birth control. I mean hell, I have run into enough girls that wanted it raw as a matter of preference to tell me that indeed they are just a culpable. As for Terry's point about women who made bad choices in the men they chose to have sex with, In the case of abuse, how can you expect a woman to be a good mother to the spawn of the guy who damn near killed her with his abberent behavior. Secondly why would you want to perpetuate that kind of familial line, even if the rotten bastard never has contact with his sprog the kid has his genetic predispositions.
In the case of the, I hate euphamisms they show cowardice in the face of truth, dumb slut who just like to sleep around week to week and occasionally gets an impediment to her trashy lifestyle, that being a baby. Tell me frankly in what way this sort of woman would ever resemble a good mother? Lets be real the kid is going to be raised by a surrogate either in a daycare, her parents, or her equally low lifestyle peers. How could this be good for society?
I've got to say when I was younger I used to think as you do that life is sacred and should be preserved at all costs. I don't think quite that way anymore, the greater good of society is what should be preserved, and as individual freedoms are a part of that greater good so also is the choice of who shall enter and ultimately who shall leave our society. I mentioned Euthanasia, hey so long as I am not sitting at a football game next to someone smoking a stick of TNT like a stogie. I think a person should be able to commit suicide whatever way they wish and not have it influence the dispersal of their estate. There are too many people in this world who are retired on active duty anyway, and who should get of this ball of mud before they screw it up worse. After all Blood is what makes the grass grow.

Sincerely: bloodthirsty cold hearted nasty and philosophically pragmatic

Daryl

Thanks -- As an undergraduate and graduate alumnus of Western, I've added my name.

Thanks Kate. I am also an alumnus of the University of Western Ontario, and I am disgusted by their decision to grant an honourary degree to Dr. Morgentaler. I will sign the online petition and will also make my views known directly, by e-mail and/or "snail" mail. I encourage all other UWO grads who are reading this now and that hold the life of unborn children as sacred to do the same.

Sheila,

Here is a copy of a letter I sent to my local newspaper who had a columnist who was ridiculous enough to suggesst that it was only men who were against abortion. How ludicrous!!!

It has taken me a while to calm down enough to write this. I am horrified at the stand that Dawson Winchester has taken regarding Morgentaler. As a UWO grad AND a woman (yes, there are loads of us) I abhor abortion. What a bunch of garbage to assume that because I am a woman I am in favour killing babies. It saddens my heart that people have bought into the lie that by killing a child they have gotten rid of their problem.
Now, don't get me wrong, I am totally pro choice!! I believe we make a choice with whom we sleep and what kind of protection we use and whether or not we are in a stable relationship that is ready for the commitment required to raise a child. If women are not in that kind of a relationship, they should not be opening themselves up to the risk of pregnancy or STDs. Give women more credit than that. We are capable of making our choices before we need to hurt an innocent life. If not, I am ashamed to be a woman.
I am also friends with many who would love to adopt those children who were ripped from their mother's wombs. It is a travesty that we kill so many thousands of children every year. One day we will answer for this and I for one could stay quiet no longer.
Finally, Dawson, I have always maintained a lot of respect for you, and did not appreciate being called a "zealot" or a member of the "extremist fringe", but if that is what is going to happen to me for standing up for those in our society who are unable to do so for themselves, both the very young and the very old, then go ahead, paint me with that brush. I can take it. I can't take the thought of another baby in a garbage pail due to poor choices by someone who calls themselves a woman.
Hope Stewart
(also signed by the following WOMEN who agree, but did not have the time to write a letter)
Donna Foreman
Julie Allen

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