The Most Politically Incorrect Question You'll Read All Day

I don't know about statement, but it's the most politically incorrect question I've read (so far) today.

Good question, too.

Jambo, bwana!

So noted, Kathy. I've updated the subject line.

Obviously what those people need most is at least basic education - at a minimum, in the Jethro Bodine category (of course for that they'd need a democracy). But even given that it would be a generation or two or three before they came to their senses (grandma's word outranks the doctors).

This is all from memory, I didn;t study it but I fairly recently read something about Nigeria (?) that was similar. The Christian south has been getting innoculations against measles (?) and have only had a few deaths as a result, but the Muslim north has had thousands die because they think the shots are an American plot to kill them off.

(Stupid Nigerian Muslims - it's a *Canadian* plot!)

Satire has its limits, and merely calling yourself "politically incorrect" doesn't magically turn this crudeness into something funny. No, there is no such point. Although, given this catastrophe is happening in Africa, I'm guessing you're going to take your liberties anyway.

Tony the pony? satire?crudeness? catastrophe in Africa? give me a break.They kill more people with recreational sex than anything else.If there is a people that believe having sex with virgins will get rid of the aids virus then just go away and leave them alone.

It isn't satire.

Just . . . ah, well, something else:

http://www.dinocrat.com/archives/2005/04/09/note-to-the-new-york-times-dont-use-wikipedia-as-an-authoritative-source/

Guilt? What, me guilty?

Joseph Conrad: Heart of Darkness. Shortest summary on record, as follows:

He (Kurtz) cries out in a whisper. "The horror! The horror! and then he dies. "Mistah , Kurtz -- he dead"

No way me guilty.

He (Kurtz)

"Is there a point where we are allowed to stop feeling sympathy for these people, seal off the borders and just let nature take its course?"

Goodness, Kate, until I clicked through your link, I thought you were talking about Quebec Liberals!

Santa Kurtz was shorter when he said "The horror! The ho-ho-ho-horror!"

Shortest by far:

"He dead."

Apocalypse Now. The late Marlon Brando.

"...until I clicked through your link, I thought you were talking about Quebec Liberals!"

There's a difference?

Kate, There comes a time when we do need to stop pretending that we can carry all the misery of the world on our backs. But, don't be too hard on those folks, after all, they are only echoing the beliefs of the 2004 Nobel Peace Prize winner, the moonbat Tree Lady of Kenya.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200410/s1216687.htm

The Liberals will pick this up and point to party intolerance ,as Kinsella is already doing.

Kinsella is hardly in a position to grasp the moral high ground considering his potential involvement in ADSCAM. He's the guy who recommend Chuck Guite, he's the guy who worked with David Dingwall...and he's a good buddy of Jean Chretien. One usually hangs around folks who share the same values...and considering the values of Chretien, Dingwall, et al....Kinsella is probably just as worried about the truth coming out as Chretien and Martin.
If Warren Kinsella every climbed off his soap-box long enough to join the great-unwashed, he'd soon realize that most of us don't share Liberal Values.....now that we know Liberal Values simply mean "grab as much as you can before your turfed from office"

Give it a rest Warren.......we see the real you now, and it's not the pretty picture you liked to paint. In fact (to use Anne McLellans' favourite pharse) your portrait looks less and less like a work of Liberal art, and more and more like the Portrait of Dorian Gray.
Does anyone else wonder who got a share of the "dirty money?"

Just remember, it wasn't dirty until the Liberals touched it. Every time I watch the Libs stand up in Question Period....I feel like taking a shower.

Hate to break it to you, but millions of people helped the Liberals win the last four elections. In future, implying in any way that Kinsella took illegal money and is immoral probably isn't the best way to respond to accusations of racism.

Wow, you people ares sick. I love that you think it is fashionably "politically incorrect" to want to wall off "these people" from medicine and education. I like the attempt to blame Adscam for why this isnt rascist too, that makes a lot of sense.

These comments are inexcusable...

Thanks to you and these comments - I not voting Conservative next election. I'll have to find somewhere else to park my vote for awhile.

Have to agree with Dave. I don't particularly want to vote Liberal in the next election, but threads like this put a shiver down my spine and remind me why this new Conservative party scares me.

So I read this morning that Warren has been chewing off his paw to get away from Chretien's Adscam trap ... that must sting. I can see why he's acting out.

The diehard Liberals come out of the woodwork in faux outrage to declare they won't vote for the Conservatives!

Because I retract my sympathy for thugs who attack World Health Organization workers who are placing their lives on the line to save their sorry asses from a deadly virus?

But, just as stealing millions upon millions of tax dollars and lining the pockets of their friends and "goodfellas" is synonymous with "saving Canada", perhaps it's an issue of literacy.

(And - just so we're perfectly clear on this - I feel exactly the same degree of concern for those who are raping babies to "cure" themselves of AIDS.)

By the way - where are these socially sensitive liberal democrats on those dozens of posts I copied from Iraqi blogs in the past months, celebrating their emergence from decades of fascist oppression?

Oh! That's right - we heard it for two years - "Iraqis aren't ready for democracy". Not as highly evolved as white tenured University professors and leftist intelligencia, we were told.

And I'm the "racist"?

While my first instinct is to respond with disgust, anger, shock, outrage...I won't, because it would be lost on the Conservative brainwashing that is epoused by every member of this board.

This is why Canadians will never feel comfortable with your ilk. You mask your intolerance and hate for homosexuals, the poor, and different cultures and races with your supposed adherence to economic liberty. This country is one that embraces difference, and does not leave people to simply fend for themselves.

And no matter how much you try and indoctrinate Canadians with your filth, voters will never buy into it.

Now go and divert attention away from your putrid views with calls of Liberal corruption...maybe somehow magically we'll all forget your bigotry, right?

And that is a glimpse into the fear-mongering the Angry Liberal Left is going to use as they descend into the pit of electoral obvlivian... get ready for it folks. You'll see it from the Liberals, the NDP and the media in the weeks to come... if they'll waste their time on my lowly blog with attacks on a Conservative party that has more racial diversity in its makeup than their own - it means they're frightened.

Unlike the left, conservatives don't practice the politics of soft racism. We don't believe other human beings are less worthy of democracy and freedom, less capable of taking responsibility for their own lives and families, or less stupid when it comes to clinging to tribal cultures that cultivate the very ignorance such as the example highlighted in this post.

If the accumulated intelligence quotent of the "offended" were able to creep into the triple digits, they might even stop and realize that such events have nothing to do with race, and everything to do with the dictatorial tribal systems they so admire and celebrate .... in the quaint folk artsy nicknacks they bring home from vacation...

While I'll admit that Kinsella's postings regarding the recent revelations of Liberal corruption have been pathetic attempts to avoid the very real culpability of his former boss Chretien (I would even say his linking to this posting is a further attempt to avoid the issue -- besides he just praised the fucking Pope who cared more about keeping Africa from using condoms than he did from saving their lives).
Regardless, his actions are merely the understandable response of a political veteran awaiting for the coming spin from HQ, simply biding his time with mutterings about the Post editorial board and something about a Quebec referendum.
That said I do think Kate's post reveals her to be an inhuman monster who deserves great pity. The hate and bile she espouses makes the criminals behind the Adscam
scandal seem as children stealing from a cookie jar.
You didn't elaborate on what you meant by "these people" but since you suggested completely "sealing off the border" to all of "these people" than it's correct to infer that you mean all Africans and not just a bunch of thugs.
You're gross.

"dictatorial tribal systems they so admire and celebrate"

It must be difficult to live with such low self-esteem that you have to conflate anyone who disagrees with you with people who support mass murder and undemocratic regimes. Instead of constructing your identity around empty phrases you associate with some ideal conservative person, maybe you should take a step back and accept that maybe from time to time the most controversial thing you can think of isn't always the same as the right thing.

Don't sweat the "Faux Outraged" who were no doubt directed here by Kinsella's site.......

The Liberals could sacrifice human infants on a pile of burning money stolen from the Canadian Treasury....and they'd still have the support of folks like Jonathan Ross, Justin,Jed, Dave, et al.

Keep putting up posts that make folks THINK Kate...after all, you have stated the post was "politically incorrect" so it should be no surprise that those who place "correctness" on the altar of "Canadian Values" would be outraged. After all.....if they didn't have the chance to be outraged by anyone who thinks differently, how could they live with themselves?
Some people aren't happy unless they can find another person to compare themselves too....in order to maintain their belief that they are morally superior.

All Jonathan and his friends have accomplished, is to show clearly how the Liberals maintain their support by catering to the lowest common denominator in the intellect department.

Wow. I had no idea voting for for the PC's three times (Multoney x 2 and Campbell) made me part of the Liberal Left. I'm a Red Tory which means I don't fit into this new, wannabe Republican party that Kate espouses with a broad us vs. them mentality that equates every policy issue (well - according to this blog anyway) into a struggle of the bright and moral (apparently all conservatives) over all that is evil in the world (apparently every liberal) and to hell with anyone who disagrees. I'm a Canadian, not an American. I'm confident this type of hate-politics won't find the national acceptance you crave. It's unfortunate that real issues are likely to be lost to the din of this blather. Sadly, I don't think you represent the vast majority of real conservatives, either, but you'll tar them just the same.

The day Kinsella and other lieberals stop looking down on Americans, conservatives, and western Canadian "rednecks" will be the day when they can preach about tolerance, bigotry and hate.
Hypocrites.

I love the moral equivalencies game you guys all play: legal work as a lawyer and lobbyist is some how the same as suggesting that we should just let a lot of people die of a horrible disease.

yup yup, that makes sense....

Kate,

Hate mongers like yourself are the Conservative Party of Canada's worst enemy.

If you think that your manner of speaking, and the views you hold, are welcomed even in your own party, why don't you try saying exactly what you did during an election campaign.

Just like we did to Randy White, Liberals across the country will thank you for showing Canadians the truth about who you are, and what you represent.

I'm not a member of any political party, federal or provincial

But, hey, here's an idea! - why don't you go comment on Kinsella's blog?

Oh, that's right.. He's a Liberal.

You'd need to make a "donation to the cause" to get a say in that party ....

LOL...

I'm not sure if your politically incorrect question of the day is intended as a joke but I must say that it is the most disgusting and insenstive thing I have heard in a very long time. To suggest what you have is vile and hateful and speaks volumes to the type of person you are. Immense human suffering is not a joking matter, and if you think that this virus can't spread from Africa to Canada you're living on another planet. I seem to remember SARS and Ebola appearing on this continent. Your hateful words cannot immunize you, perhaps you should return to the cave from which you emerged.

Hi Kate.

Warren is a little bit sensitive these days, huh? Seems if he has no excuses to offer for his slimey, thieving Librano buddies, he might as well spend his time attacking others.

Ciao!

Art Williams

HW: "Immense human suffering is not a joking matter"

You don't have a problem with Canada not helping Iraqis from the tyranny of Saddam Hussein, though. That would take effort and force. Better to just roll over with appeasement. "It's not my problem!" A useful idiot on the world stage, is HW. Thank you, and goodnight.

Kate,

You talk about needing to make a "donation to the cause" to have my voice heard in the Liberal party.

Well, I don't think they would let me join your party, because I'm your worst nightmare - a Canadian born of mixed race ancestry (my mother is Indian from Burma, my father of Rusian heritage out of Montreal)...and wait it gets better...my father's Jewish, my mother's Catholic.

I probably wouldn't fit into your target profile.

There you go...now you have more than enough ammunition to attack my heritage of diversity.

I dare you.

And my ancestry is German, Scottish, Irish and English.

So what?

What _precisely_ about my post has anything to do with "race"?

Or is the implication being made by the critics here that the stupidity and ignorance being displayed by the Angolans attacking WHO workers trying to fight this virus is genetic?

I certainly don''t think so. Why do you?

If the same thing were occuring in Sweden, and I wrote identical words, would you accuse me of _racism_?

Do you see how knee jerk your reactions become when you disengage logic? That's exactly what political correctness feeds on and why it's so dangerous to speech in a free and democratic society. PC speech police filter what they read or hear through their own ugly brand of dehumanizing hate speech to close down meaningful debate when it doesn't fit with their ideology of moral superiority.

Kate,

You are not stupid, and therefore you know EXACTLY the conotations attached to this kind of a statement:

"Is there a point where we are allowed to stop feeling sympathy for these people, seal off the borders and just let nature take its course?"

Or are you going to try and suggest that referring to the Angolans as "these people" is purely innocuous?

And at the same time, if you your statement has been misinterpreted as you claim, then why don'ty you explain what "let nature take its course" refers to.

Are you going to try and argue that it means anything but letting suffering people die?

Are we simply going to sit back and let "these people" mentioned in the Gomery inquiry rob us blind, procure dirty money around the province of Quebec for the benefit of themselves..and not Canada as a whole? Hell no! When I refer to "these people", what am I insinuating?

Jonathan or was it jay or justin did we get all the trudeau names ,,snort, , sounds like warren gave a speech at his old elitest private prep school and sic'd the grade 10 debating club on us here.

Jonathan you're just embarrassing yourself
What's with rolling out the pedigree papers.
Too funny!
What if we can out ethnic you, do we win some sort of higher position?
Also
Please do tell what the "conotations are"

Nice move sticking with the thieving scumbag libs as they crash and burn, didn't give that one much thought eh,

The liberals are kleptomanical thieves and your really not offended by kates remarks!
And lastly
I was going to vote liberal but can't believe how poorly you've acted here jonathan so now through your actions I'm forced to vote conservative....

"These people" are ridiculous!

Once again, I will ask this simple question:

What did you mean by "let nature take it's course"?

The ONLY way to interpret that statement is that you are suggesting that we just let people die.

Continue to divert Neocons...but eventually you will have to realize that your intolerance, hate and "morality" are your biggest weaknesses when trying to appeal to the average Canadian.

Kate, I didn't particularly take your comment to be racist. I took it to be cruel and hateful. "People dying abroad? To hell with them." seems to be your attitude. This has nothing to do with political correctness. It has to do with your callous disregard for human life. We're all in this together and 'sealing off the borders to let nature take its course' is - since you insist it's not a joke - a pretty disturbing policy to advocate. If the same thing happened in Sweden, and you wrote the same thing it would be equally horrid. I'm curious how far this attitude extends? In case of a Canadian health emergency - say an outbreak of ebola in a Canadian center - would you take the same stance? Were you against helping our American neighbours after 9/11? What is the radius on your peculiar breed of compassionate conservatism?

Racism was the charge that directed the majority of comments here from Kinsella's site.

As for ""People dying abroad? To hell with them."? That is not my quote. I expect you to restrain yourself to the actual text of my post, and that of the link it refers to - unlike the intellectually bankrupt comments of Kinsella who suggested it stated something it did not.

Angolans are attacking WHO workers who are there to try to stop the spread of a highly contagious and deadly virus. If they will not accept help from the only people who can offer it, if the virus is so deadly that it poses a threat to everyone in the region and beyond, then there is only one solution at the present time - and they seem to be demanding it.

If help is something they will not accept, if they threaten the safety of medical staff - the only other solution is to close the borders and let nature take its course. Some will survive, some will not. Perhaps nature will also knock some sense into them.

Kate, your comments are completely over the top, and I must say Warren's hit the nail right on the head. Let's hope we never live in your world. Reminds me of Hardin's argument of "lifeboat ethics". Let me provide you with a sample from Hardin's 1974 article:

"So here we sit, say 50 people in our lifeboat. To be generous, let us assume it has room for 10 more, making a total capacity of 60. Suppose the 50 of us in the lifeboat see 100 others swimming in the water outside, begging for admission to our boat or for handouts. We have several options: we may be tempted to try to live by the Christian ideal of being "our brother's keeper," or by the Marxist ideal of "to each according to his needs." Since the needs of all in the water are the same, and since they can all be seen as "our brothers," we could take them all into our boat, making a total of 150 in a boat designed for 60. The boat swamps, everyone drowns. Complete justice, complete catastrophe.

Since the boat has an unused excess capacity of 10 more passengers, we could admit just 10 more to it. But which 10 do we let in? How do we choose? Do we pick the best 10, "first come, first served"? And what do we say to the 90 we exclude? If we do let an extra 10 into our lifeboat, we will have lost our "safety factor," an engineering principle of critical importance. For example, if we don't leave room for excess capacity as a safety factor in our country's agriculture, a new plant disease or a bad change in the weather could have disastrous consequences.

Suppose we decide to preserve our small safety factor and admit no more to the lifeboat. Our survival is then possible although we shall have to be constantly on guard against boarding parties.

While this last solution clearly offers the only means of our survival, it is morally abhorrent to many people. Some say they feel guilty about their good luck. My reply is simple: "Get out and yield your place to others." This may solve the problem of the guilt-ridden person's conscience, but it does not change the ethics of the lifeboat. The needy person to whom the guilt-ridden person yields his place will not himself feel guilty about his good luck. If he did, he would not climb aboard. The net result of conscience-stricken people giving up their unjustly held seats is the elimination of that sort of conscience from the lifeboat."

You should be ashamed.....

I wasn't quoting you. I was summing up my impression of your attitude since you had so far refused to amplify what you meant. Your new comments expand on your intent but ignore the slippy slope of the policy you espouse. In the article the WHO spokesman states these people are afraid and need to be educated on what WHO is doing (i.e. helping them). It further goes on to quote a doctor in Johannesburg that states this is not uncommon in areas with supersititious beliefs and gave the example of Mozambique when workers fighting cholera were attacked. If it's common in these situations should the solution really be to abandon these people to disease because they are afraid? I would say no. From any reasonable or humane point of view, we should still try to help. This wasn't a government refusing aid - it was the work of a fearful and unruly few. I'm not aware of any disaster zones (whether they be created by war or nature) that are free of danger for aid workers and I commend these hereos for putting themselves in harm's way to try and help - whether it be Angola, Mozambique, Columbia or dozens of other countries I think we both could name. Should we stop feeling sympathy for these people? Absolutely not. Should we seal up the borders and let nature take its course? No, we should commend, support and encourage the valliant who spend their lives trying to help those less fortunate - whether it be in New York or Angola. Rather than musing on abandoning these people, I would advocate that someone like yourself should use their audience and influence to direct people to where they can donate money to step up the relief efforts.

"We have several options: we may be tempted to try to live by the Christian ideal of being "our brother's keeper," or by the Marxist ideal of "to each according to his needs."

That's only two, actually. And if you're tempted by the "Marxist ideal", then you'd best pick up a AK-47 and just shoot everyone in the water, like real Marxists do.

But why use a confusing and irrelevant analogy when there's a real crisis you might have solved! So far, nobody seems to be taking a whack at it.

I wonder why?

The Kinsella Underground seems endowed with plenty of enthusiasm for insults, denunciation and name calling... while proferring not a single pragmatic solution to the problem. This is not a hypothetical quiz, it's a virus with the potential to kill thousands if it escapes it's localized area. It's happening now.

So, dispense with the self-rightiousness and moral indignation and provide a solution that equals my own in effectiveness. It must contain the virus to the areas already affected, and respect the demonstrated wishes of the population who do not want our help. And you must get this in place very, very quickly.

There is no cure, so that's not in your recipe.

Please! Don't just curse the dark - light a candle. Enlighten us with your culturally sensitive, progressive and humane solution!

Don't mess with us, Kate. Just hand over the cash and we promise not to accuse you or your ilk of racism anymore. I'm not kidding around here, Kate. Hand it over.

I promise Warren won't bug you anymore if you do. That's a good girl.

You'll also note at http://www.who.int/csr/don/2005_04_08a/en/ that they have only suspended their operations and are working with the provincial authorities to work through this.

I was unable to find a specific WHO donation page for Angola, but did find several other orgnizations working in the region:
Church World Service:https://secure.churchworldservice.org/catalog/display.php?product_id=99

I also found donation information for the Red Cross at the bottom of this article on their work to help Angola in 2000:http://www.redcross.org/news/archives/2000/1-19-00.html

Kate,

You made an idiotic post. Kinsella took the time to point it out. Now you're busy justifying/clarifying/backtracking/covering your posterior and whatnot.

Just give it a rest and say you're sorry for saying such a repulsive thing.

Trying to change the tack by pointing out who Kinsella has worked for and works for currently doesn't change the sheer stupidity of your original post. It just makes you even smaller.

As for WK's stuff about Ezra, having seen his questionable sense of judgement back in our U of C days, no wonder he hired you....

Wow. Your call, to quote, to "provide a solution that equals my own in effectiveness" is pretty chilling since your solution unabashedly calls for quarantining either whole provinces or the entire nation (you are not clear) to die painfully and needlessly. This isn't a solution. It's depraved indifference. It's also naive and ineffective since there is no evidence that the government in this case - or any of the Western, Regional or Global organizations in the area - have the resources to ensure encircle the nation and prevent a single person from leaving.

The solution then is to get involved and support those working to defuse this crisis, and I renew my calls for people to donate to the effort. You will find on the Who page devoted to the crisis (http://www.who.int/csr/don/2005_04_08a/en/) that "the single most important factor in controlling viral haemorrhagic fevers is the engagement of affected communities as partners in control" and that WHO has "launched an appeal, through the United Nations, for funding to support the emergency response to this outbreak. WHO needs US$ 2.4 million to support the Ministry of Health, Angola to intensify ongoing operations in the field." I urge you again to help people get involve and support WHO's efforts in this crisis rather than turning into a contest of the pithiest ad hominem attack.

Kate wrote:

"But why use a confusing and irrelevant analogy when there's a real crisis you might have solved! So far, nobody seems to be taking a whack at it."

Kate, if you don't have the intellectual capacity to discuss Hardin's views that are scarily similar to your own, I doubt I'd be bothered wasting my time with trying to enlighten you with more progressive theories such as Fuller's Spaceship Earth philosophy. Here's a link: http://www.bfi.org/operating_manual.htm. Perhaps you should resist further postings on this subject until you've had a chance to read it.