"I have never had a lunch with Claude Boulay or anybody else to discuss the direction of contracts, directing contracts, intervening in contracts, that's just simply not my style of politics," he said, referring to the Montreal ad executive.Asked if he had lunch with Boulay to discuss something else, Martin told reporters Thursday: "I can't recall having had lunch with him since we formed the government."
A long time was spent on crafting this answer.... and it shows.
Too many qualifiers. The safety valve: "recall". "since".
Paul Martin has just broadcast that there are skeletons in his closet.
This was not a man who had a question thrown to him from the blue. The details and personalities involved in this scandal have been on the public record for many months.
Paul Martin works closely with a team (teams?) of advisors. His people will have scoured every agenda book, every office record, every telephone log, to ensure that they are aware of any and every figure that Martin may have had contact with who is implicated.
When the question about Paul Martin's lunch with Claude Bouley were asked in the House, he would have known instantly if there was truth in the accusation. A man who was completely out of the loop, who had no knowledge, would have known that his team had confirmed that. And he would have been able to state as much, without qualifiers.
He waited three days to answer, and then parsed his words extremely carefully. He waited because he couldn't be sure if they had missed something. He stalled for a reason - they were checking their records.
He's lying. He knew.
The "not since we formed the guvment" means.
"Yes definetly I met him before we formed the guvment ,but you can't prove I met him after."
This is really different from his earlier weasel of
"NO"
Also
How well do you know a guy that you know his cottage is an hour and a half from yours? Thats 100 miles away.
Yeah like they pop out for a coffee and bump into each other 100 miles away.
"Oh what a pleasant surprise,...yes wonderful weather we're having,...bye the bye, did you happen to get the 6 million dollars I sent you"
Lying sack of shit!
Another liar,Jacques Corriveau,this guy has "Alzheimers", of course he does.I think its called selective memory.
The Libranos "Lie, Lie, Lie" and then "Deny, Deny, Deny"! We all know where this tactic got Colin Thatcher, but sadly I think the Liberal treachery will slip beneath the Canadian radar.
Paul Martin knows he is guilty as hell and the rest of the Liberals know the jig is up. The silence from polititians like Goodale, Dosanje(? spelling), Sheila Copps etc., is deafening and telling. Unfortunately, we are leaving the foxes in the hen-house to destroy evidence. If this criminal behavior was discovered anywhere but government, the perpetrators would be escorted to the door and then charged.
I fear the average Canadian is politically ill-informed and spends too much time getting their news through the Liberal sanitized CTV and CBC.
The lack of Canadian outrage at the Liberal thievery, pre-meditated public deception and fiscal incompetence leaves me appalled. No wonder Martin and company feels no threat in openly continuing this dastardly behavior. Canadians have voted for it year after year, especially Ontarians! I prefer to support my family, not these Liberal hoodlums. People, give your heads a shake!!
Well with Watergate there were two differences
1) Journalists who would dig after the story rather than worry they woulld be frozen out or gt a government they dont poitically agree with
2) Senior insiders and participants who were so ashamed of what was going on and placed country before party or personal loyalty.
If EITHER of these conditions held this would break open faster and would have broke open before the last election.
Of course "A long time was spent on crafting this answer" - he's Mr. Dithers.
I had the misfortune of watching a bit of Question Period today. Scott Brison spent part of the time defending his lie that the Liberals arranged for an outside audit by referring to The Oxford English Dictionary.
"Mr. Speaker, I have here The Oxford English Dictionary, and under the definition of "audit"..."
Sheesh, what crap legislators we have.
Note the specificity of the word "lunch".
Shuseeh. How did I get here?
Clicked on deceased small creatures at rightthinkingpeople.blogspot.com.
Youse guys are questioning my veracity.. my integrity...my wallet is next youse guys will want to see..
Yiuse give me a pain & Dr. X at Medisys advised not to go here. Paid him with a brown envelops... as Jean used to say a new devlopment.. every day.. Cant stand it much longer...will Dozac help?
You see, doc, my nose is growing longerrrr..
my liver has spots ..the anti-truth serum is killing me...
Claude let me down again Doc,,, help. I can make you a director on CSL Board... I can call Maurice & get you in charge of WHO. You know WHO... Kofi and .... I will shift Stephen Lewis out of AIDS Africa send him to the Senate...
Mr. Speaker, the Leader of the Opposition is murdering me. Please rule him out of order.
Thanks, Peter ( you are my man, right. I made you, Peter just as they made Alfonso...
Izzy Apser once told his employees that "journalists weren't in the news business; they were in the business of selling soap." God rest Izzy but folks need to know that his CanWest Global controls much of the print and broadcast media in Canada.
In 2001: "CanWest Global Communications Corp. ignited a storm of protest in December by announcing a new policy of requiring its newspapers to follow a common editorial line on key national and international issues. The concerns escalated dramatically as dozens of employees at CanWest's Southam newspapers who dissented publicly from this policy were reprimanded, suspended and threatened with dismissal."
http://www.cjfe.org/specials/canwest/canwintro.html
Now Izzy was a well known supporter of the Libranos and a buddy of good old Jean C.
The CBC is the handmaiden of the Libranos. So it basically comes down to the fact that there is no free press in Canada and any journalist who decides to follow their morals and integrity is going to rapidly have their wagon fixed for them.
".....since we formed the government"
Martin 'formed the government' when he
became PM. He is already on record as
stopping AdScam as his first act as PM.
The question Martin was weasling on was
in the AdScam/Gomery context which was over
"since we formed the gov.."
The reporter should have asked -- "What about
before you formed the gov. remember, when
you were FM, when AdScam was in play and Bouley
was a player. Did you sit at a table with
him then - when it mattered???"
Wes
New CBC Environics poll is out. Apparently a lot of Canadians just see Adscam as business as usual. 68% figure that all political parties operate pretty much the same way.
Mationally - Cons 33%, Liars & Theives 27%, NDP 24%. But Cons still trail the Liars & Theives in Ontario - 30% to 26%!
Party standings here:
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/04/14/cbcpoll2050414.html
and ethics and issues here:
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/04/14/gomerypoll-050414.html
Martin sounds like John Turner did back in 1984.It's clear he's been lawyered up.
A lot of Canadians see adscam as 'business as usual', because it is exactly that: Business as usual. Some of the key players, here, (Chuck Gite for one), were doing this during the Mulgooney administration. The RCMP investigation into that one was preparing to lay criminal charges when their investigation was abruptly shut down, ( on orders from the PMO's office). This was TWENTY YEARS AGO! Hello? (Gotta go- The Simpsons is coming on).
bingo richfisher:
You're so right. I know how long it takes to get to the lake...the farm...Calgary & my friend's house (any of them)...
"an hour and a half away" is not distance enough, slimeball...
His evasion undermines his admonitions that he wants Gomery to get to the bottom of it.
Now, an alert voter would realize that the this kind of thin veneer is evidence of the low regard in which the Liberals hold the intellect of their beloved 'average Canadian'.
His evasion undermines his admonitions that he wants Gomery to get to the bottom of it.
Now, an alert voter would realize that the this kind of thin veneer is evidence of the low regard in which the Liberals hold the intellect of their beloved 'average Canadian'.
I know nothing about Guite prior to his hiring at Public Works - through a memo from Warren Kinsella to the Deputy Minister at the time, Ran Quail.
Dingwall was PW minister.
Where was Guite during the Mulroney years to have had that much influence?
I know nothing about Guite prior to his hiring at Public Works - through a memo from Warren Kinsella to the Deputy Minister at the time, Ran Quail.
Dingwall was PW minister.
Where was Guite during the Mulroney years to have had that much influence?
Basically, this boils down to two choices.
Paulie boy was the finance minister during the entire time.
This means 1) he was incredibly naive, stupid, poorly organized, and a victim of a collosal fraud, or, 2) he is a liar, thief, and perhaps most of all, a criminal, stealing from all Canadians.
Paulie is a lot of things, but naive and stupid don't fit the bill...that leaves one choice...
So you're saying your Mr. Martin learned his trade from our Mr. Clinton?
Many former civil servants know exactly where Guite was during the Mulroney years. He was doing the exact same thing at DSS (what became PWGSC). Go back and read the testimony of Dignwall. He will confirm it was going on long before the Libs got in. Our firend the "scamp" simply agreed to broker the same deal he had with PC's with the Libs just direct the $$ to Quebec - he got the same perks.
Adscam has many layers not yet exposed. It is the biggest onion yet.
Many of us have been sending info about other issues to reporters these past few months but none have had to work at peeling the onion it is shedding on its own.
I will leave you with some hints of the goodies deep in the onion that not even the Aud Gen has found.
How did Corriveau know about the "program" in 1996. It was the same scam just a different source of funds. Ask yourself how come 4 out of 5 lucrative graphic design contracts for Canada Post stamp design went to Quebec designers?
How come two other corrupt projects under Dignwall's watch have not been tied into this yet.
They are related and were a source of $$ to Liberals before 2000 sponsorship program. They would be the sale of a Govt agency to a large company owned by an Italian Family and the Firearms program that saw millions of $$ sole sourced to that same company.
You ask how is that connected - it is the link to Paul Martin and the program of diverting funds to Liberals before Mr Guite was called in.
Who is the MP for the riding where that large
Italian comapany is Headquartered. Who was his campaign finance chair and largest contributor. The same MP who without qualifications became Deputy Finance Minster.
Keep peeling - it is all there
Martin was invited to Boulay's 50th birthday party. (Testimony at Inquiry.) Did Martin attend the party?
Martin cannot remember being at Boulay's party. Ask Boulay to testify under oath whether Martin was at the party.
Did Martin take a gift to Boulay? Perhaps, in a brown envelope?
Down with the Liberals.
Elect Stephen Harper and the Conservatives.
I wonder if PM PM, his Ministers and Liberal members of parliament ever read quotations. I suspect they do, and misread this quote from William Waldegrave "In exceptional circumstances it is somtimes necessary in the House to say something that is not true". In reading it they managed to skip over the word "not".
Kate:
In response to your question about Chuck Guite- page 343 of Stevie Cameron's ON THE TAKE.
The Chuckster was director and polling section at Supply and Services.
When confronted over how an advertising contract was awarded without Treasury Board guidelines, the Gitster replied: "The policy is a guideline. It's not a rule. We change the guidelines to fit the situation...It's not the first time it's been done and not the last time it will be done either."
Stevie Cameron was exposed as an informant by the RCMP, ( who later admitted that they lied)- she is now in exile in Israel, writing about cats!?!
Special kudus to Kat, for winning the BEST CDN Blog Award! Outstanding coverage of current political current events! Very articulate comment! Most entertaining read! (And a very much appreciated forum, for exchanging views!)
Had this existed twenty years ago, Mulgooney would still be in Club Fed, ( and Jean Cruton would never have happened).
Sadly two major things are evident here, amoung many others, that if Canada had an elected Senate, and/or even "whistlblower" legislation, we would not be talking here. Whistleblower legislation has to be "demanded" whoever is running the Country, not this "NO" WHISTLE BLOWER LEGISLATION that the Liberal have tried to trick us into believing that they have introduced, (and I am sorry that the Conservatives have not made a more consistent outcry on this very very important missing piece of the Democratic puzzle. Madam Samard? the Olymic gold medal winner that took a bullet for Canadians is trying to get justice.) I don't see it that way I see it as a GD lie, and this is super important to assuring some semblance of ruleing Democratically, get on your MP,s folks, even the Conservatives though they have said that they will make it happnen we have to demand they comply.
ww 2 vet.
Doing a search on Canada Steam Ship lines, came across 2 articals that may be of interest:
http://www.canada.com/national/features/transition/story.html?id=a633dcfc-e7ad-44b1-ac59-7eb514eae945
In 1981, Power Corp.'s changing priorities allowed Mr. Martin to make the leap from company climber to stand-alone magnate. Power wanted to unload CSL to free up capital to buy Canadian Pacific Railways. Mr. Desmarais told Mr. Martin to find a buyer and suggested he consider it himself.
Which also lists all of Dithers holdings, and this:
http://www.fathersforlife.org/culture/kyoto_connection.htm
In addition, taxpayer funding also goes to help with Maurice Strong's attempt to impose a new-age religion, Earth worship, on the world population with the help of Mikhail Gorbachev, Kofi Anan and Stephen Rockefeller.
Maurice Strong is now a senior advisor to Paul Martin's Prime Minister's Office, the most powerful government department in Canada.
Which some how ties him to Earth Worship, but I haven't put it togethor yet. Ezra Levant is mentioned on this site about knowing a wack of info.
The following joke (?) circulated in Communist-controlled Poland at the height of the Cold War:
A high-ranking Communist government apparatchik gets up every morning and stands before his mirror to shave. He looks in his mirror; he says to himself, "One of you is a liar."
PM PM: Mirror, mirror, on the wall, ....
You guys are so way off base on this lunch it's not even funny
Check out Paul Martin's blog for a much more plausible explanation for his equivocation
Ok, I guess he has nothing to say:
Paul Martin's "blog" is officially 404
http://www.paulmartintimes.ca/
LOL - Sgt Schultz at his best...I know nuTHINK (Sbt Schults ref credit to someone, somewhere, out here)
That was then. This is now
Judging by the letter read out to the House at QP today, Martin DEFINITELY was checking his various daytimers, quite frantically! You were bang on again!